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|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by seunajia: 4:55pm On Feb 08, 2013|
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by Negro_
A link from the same thread. http://www.africastyles.com/blackhistory/
It's okay to be smart, but stop being condescending!
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by BetaThings: 7:36pm On Feb 08, 2013|
PAGAN 9JA:I disagree. It is a straw man argument to impeach his moral standpoint
Otherwise, tell us a possible metaphorical meaning of that aphorism
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:06pm On Feb 08, 2013|
The Mahra are not located in Arabia. There are many tribes in that region. why dont they all have tribal marks?
also did you notice the names o the sub-clans? for e.g., Dongolawi, similar to Dangala, is a very Nubian name and a name of a real Nubian clan from the region of Dongola, upper Nile. im pretty sure they are of Nubian descent, even going by their looks and customs and their close proximity to the Nile river, the lifesourc of Nubian peoples.
Arabs don't Pakaja?
ahahhahahaha i knew you were an islamist from the very begining. thus i marked you immediately as aforger of lies.
That is the dress worn by muslims during Haj.
^there. i just proved that Yorubas are descended from Ancient Tibetans. they escaped form Tibet to avoid religiosu persecution and Orisha worship and because Tibet was too cold for them.
the proof is the Pakaja worn by this Dalai Lama.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:08pm On Feb 08, 2013|
so you believe in Ancient Arab history but not in Nok Civilization , the percussor of Yoruba Civilization?
you are a slave. this is my final conclusion.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:09pm On Feb 08, 2013|
I am not Yoruba so this will remain disputed. however i shall research into the matter.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by BetaThings: 8:34pm On Feb 08, 2013|
PAGAN 9JA:Your statement is unduly harsh!
Who is an Islamist?
People who practise Islam call themselves Muslims
We don't people who practise Christianity Christianists
Neither do we call you "Paganists"
BTW if he calls the Ihram dress a traditional attire, is forgery the only explanation?
Can he not be mistaken?
What other lies have muslims forged for you to have marked him as a "forger"?
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by seunajia: 8:34pm On Feb 08, 2013|
From China is 70 years to Mahra? Didn't you read this at-all?
Please read through and don't draw us back. Where you go before?
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by seunajia: 8:53pm On Feb 08, 2013|
Where did you get that from?
I told you where I got all these things from including the Pakaja thing. With all sincerity, as with all oral histories some of it may be distorted.
Does that warrant the name-calling?
That I have been discussing ancient Arab history which oral tradition says is my origin as a Yoruba man gives you the right to call me a slave?
One would have expected that you'll dispute the oral tradition by saying you were there instead of calling me names.
Islamist, Slave. Why? Because we're having a debate?
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by seunajia: 9:06pm On Feb 08, 2013|
Could you believe that? I stated explicitly that I learnt some of these things at home and others from school. I posted links to corroborate some of these things. And even went on to admit that oral traditions are subject to distortion.
The Pakaja is not a concrete evidence let's scratch that. Does that warrant name calling? "Islamist, forger of lies". What of my other points? All these characters one gets to meet on cyberspace.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 7:34am On Feb 09, 2013|
The oral tradtition you keep hammering on is IFA, and there's no passage in Ifa that acknowledges Arabia/mecca muchless of the Odua people coming from Mecca. As a matter of fact IFA states that all homo-sapiens spreaded from otu-ife. Like I said:
The idea that Yorubas emigrated from mecca is a fallacy crafted by Yoruba Islamists spin doctors who by distorting the genuine origin of the Yorubas hence re-planting it in semitic root knowing not only would such spurious lies appeal to Yoruba muslims converts who will not only be glad to welcome the thoughts of his Yoruba ancestors having ancient linkage with the Arabs but also for the purpose of having it disseminated to the rest of the non-muslims Yorubas and christians.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 7:36am On Feb 09, 2013|
all4naija: Seriously, tribes in Nigeria have indentity problem. From Igbo people claiming to be Jews to Yorubas claiming to be similar to Arabs.
A true and genuine Yoruba would never claim his ancestors were from Arabs. There's no connection except for the mouth.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by Nobody: 7:39am On Feb 09, 2013|
ghostofsparta:That I agree with from personal contact with Yoruba people and family members. But, what I am seeing here from people's comment seem to be different.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:42am On Feb 09, 2013|
islamists or muslims, what does it matter. The fact of the matter is, ask yourself why Paganist, does not hold a negative connotation when compared to islamist?
in case you noticed, the entire quraan is forged, copied and filled with lies. so obviusly whenever i see a muslim talking about history and especially Pagan history, i know he will lie to justify the jewish and islamic tales and claim their racial superiority. and 99% this is ALWAYS the case.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 7:43am On Feb 09, 2013|
That adage is no metaphor nor aphoristic
The true meaning is within the context of a specific situation
He would lie would steal. Is an armed robber not a liar, some thieving politicians do lie.
Religionists lie about prophecies and miracle yet they steal through service-payment, tithing, offerings and other means
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:45am On Feb 09, 2013|
China is 70 yrs old approx, because the Republic of China comprising all the provinces and Tibet is a recent invention. Before that there was no 1 UNIFIED China as seen today. there were just many provinces ruled by warlords, the Emperor of Manchuria,etc., and different Ethnic groups governing their own separate regions.
as to the Mahra, i already admited it is a verbal mistake incase you noticed.
as to the oral traditions of the Manasir , i dont care for them. people are natural liars. so many islamized ethnic people claim Arab descent. my own Hausa people claim descet from PErsians! cnay ou jsut imagine how messed up that theory is. Persians, a race of Indo-Aryans, will all of a sudden leave their lands,etc and come and settle in West Africa. it is so bullsh!T.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 7:49am On Feb 09, 2013|
Excellent point Pagan9JA, let seunajia and justadaq disprove the claim that the Yorubas are from ancient tibet due to the 'pakaja' connection.
Justadaq and seunajia are more than a forger of lies, and there are millions of them in Yorubaland disseminating falsehoods as there are thousands of them here on Nairaland. They know themselves. They easily give themselves out the moment they start acknowledging and praising Arabic things in the guise of bearing Yoruba name.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:50am On Feb 09, 2013|
Historians believe that Yorubas aredescendeed from the Nok civilization while you believe Yorubas are descended from Arabs. i wonder which one is more believable. .
Yes it does give me a right to call your slave. the way you have been fighting for an Arab ancestry shows clearly how much you want to associate yourself and you are fighting for it time and again even after being proven otherwise, and is supose you will continue to do so. .
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:52am On Feb 09, 2013|
oh so justadaq is seunaija i must admit that is a bit dissapointing. i had high hopes for him .
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 7:53am On Feb 09, 2013|
There's nothing to research on. Ifa is the Odua people's unwritten Bible. Ifa is even undergoing contamination from religionists. They always try to doctor it with their false doctrines. Real Ifa people are able to detect said infections.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:53am On Feb 09, 2013|
all your points are invalid. all of them. please change your views.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 8:01am On Feb 09, 2013|
My friend you are indeed a slave to the arab people and religion, even the Arabs wouldn't dare states the almighty
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 8:23am On Feb 09, 2013|
An Islamist is any human who propagates and emphasizes the doctrines of Islam of the Arab people even despite overwhelming contradictory evidence.
A Jew guy formerly called Joseph Cohen renounced secularism to become a conc muslim in Gaza adopting the name Yousef Al-Kahttab is an example of who an islamist is because, the way he was responding to Baba Richard Dawkins in an interview made me wonder how and why someone can substitute his jewish identity for another.
For those who don't know if you renounce Islam:
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by ghostofsparta(m): 8:28am On Feb 09, 2013|
Even if they were aware of the atrocities the Arabs and Jews did to the black race and are still doing in certain respect, they will still cling to their brainwashings. Classical case of the Stockholm Syndrome
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by BetaThings: 8:28pm On Feb 09, 2013|
ghostofsparta:Specific examples don't general rule make. Do you seriously believe that everyone who is prepared to tell his boss that he had a flat tire (when he overslept and got to work late) will actually steal (eg dipping hand in the till)?. I am not talking about stealing the company's time by lying about
the cause of lateness
Those statements hold true for some but not all
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by BetaThings: 8:39pm On Feb 09, 2013|
ghostofsparta: An Islamist is any human who propagates and emphasizes the doctrines of Islam of the Arab people even despite overwhelming contradictory evidence.your own definition
You are exercising your right to an opinion or a position, despite overwhelming evidence of its incorrectness
The guy too would wonder why you are not a muslim
ghostofsparta:Pastors Tunde Bakare and Ashimolowo are suitably placed to practically explain to you their experience outside Islam
No need for any theoretical debate
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by BetaThings: 8:42pm On Feb 09, 2013|
I believe in general theories rather than one-sided arguments
Tell us the experiences of the black race in their relations with all other races and peoples
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by BetaThings: 8:47pm On Feb 09, 2013|
So a forgery presenting itself as what? I can talk about a forged dollar ie a dollar presenting itself as one issued by the US Treasury while it is not. So what is the Noble Qur'an passing itself off as?
I don't talk about pagans because it neither adds nor subtracts from my viewpoint
I respect pagans as human beings. But obviously their beliefs are misguided
They will see the light some day
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by tpia5: 4:05am On Feb 10, 2013|
the way you have been fighting for an Arab ancestry shows clearly how much you want to associate yourself and you are fighting for it time and again even after being proven otherwise
middle east doesnt necessarily mean arab when viewed in a historical context. Nobody is fighting for non-existent arab ancestry.
the time and era have to be considered.
tell me, do you doubt the historical legends of kanuri people which link them to southern arabia [yemen]?
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by tpia5: 4:07am On Feb 10, 2013|
ghost of sparta
where are you from? you dont sound yoruba.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by justaqad(m): 6:04am On Feb 10, 2013|
Wetin I do you? I have been following your arguments with seunajia closely but not part of it.you don't know my position on yoruba ancestry.
So stop assuming
@pagan9ja high hopes?don't think I will ever leave Islam...
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by seunajia: 4:43pm On Feb 10, 2013|
@Ghostofsparta and PAGAN 9JA
Not being conceited, but I should not be caught dead exchanging words with people of your stock. Your comments so far have been unintelligent to say the least. How do argue about something you know nothing of? Whether you are Yoruba or not. Anyway, No thanks, I won't join you boys in the mud.
I have in my possession books and literary works by various authors who dedicated sizable number of years of their lifetimes not just to the study of this very interesting topic but also the origins of other Nigerian ethnicities. The likes of J.O Lucas: "Religion of the Yoruba", P. Amanry Talbot: "The Peoples of Southern Nigerian", Prof. E.A Ayandele(1st VC University of Calabar): "The Ijebu of Yorubaland" and Prof. S.O Biobaku (Former VC Unilag): "A window on Nigeria" and "The origin of the Yoruba".
It's an honor to stand on the shoulders of these giants and I shouldn't be in the midst of those calling them "Islamists", "forgers", "liars", "slaves" e.t.c. Moreso, our current discourse is largely irrelevant to this thread.
Hence, I hereby take my leave of this thread. If time permits, I'll read these books again and author a thread here detailing some of the points in therein, where other civil members shall contribute to the ensuring discourse. Knowledge is power. Have a wonderful life.
|Re: We Are Losing Our Identity To The Arabs by PAGAN9JA(m): 6:41pm On Feb 10, 2013|
ofcourse. that is the most bullsh!t theory ever. there is no recorded migration from there. neither from Kindah or Himyar. Infact after the fall of the Máarib Dam, the tribes migrated northwards towards the Persian GUlf where they still reside/ they had no reason to trek all the way to Nigeria.
the only time Arabs came to West Africa was during the fatimid caliphate to spread islam and get their slaves.
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