Sagamite:

There is nothing you can do as a well meaning and educated Nigerian when you have:

1) Democracy - All fucktards opinions matter equally.

2) Freedom of speech philosophy - Even fucktards think they have the right to talk.

3) Corrupt & Inefficient social structure - A few corrupt moneybags run the small media industry in Nigeria, which keeps the best away from shaping views and you have a few mediocre and incompetent person like Funmi Iyanda ruling the airwaves.

4) Global trends - This fucktardism is a global phenomena championed by the liberal funkies who now have unrestrianed access to several media to propagate their nice sounding, fun but absolutely cancerous rubbish.

Sagamite you no go wounjure me
You expressed the truth though. The media is being influenced too strongly by low crass and unpalatable forktardism

funkydot: @Op
What is all dis sanctimonious nonsense you have just penned that all your ilk here are celebrating?!!! People like you make me sick because you just take a look at someone and condemn then from your high viewing pedestal based on media representation wtf! Just because Goldie lived part of her life in the face of the public being an entertainer doesn't mean she can be trashed for whatever we deduce from her so-called lifestyle forgetting that most of our generalisation about these so-called celebrities are mostly based on assumptions and half-truths. Besides the fact that we found out Goldie was married after her death as well as her celebrated relationship with Prezzo, there doesn't seem to be any other scandal associated with her...now if you would be reasonable and agree with me that in between her so-called 'secret marriage' and dalliance with Prezzo there are a lot of grey areas that we do not understand and perhaps may never know nor is this really any business of ours.In view of the fact that the main man (i.e. her hubby) who should have felt slighted or wronged by this 'adultery' kept praising her really makes me wonder what exactly all this hullabaloo is all about! I believe each and everyone of us should examine ourselves to see if indeed we are living exemplary lives before this castigation of Goldie. For the records, I had no intention of holding brief for her because I could barely stick her while she was alive, perhaps I even said some mean words about her during the BBA episode because she came across as a needy and clingy lady not particularly my type of role model because I mostly admire strong women but this whole ish on her death and lifestyle is just totally pitiful so please let's put some sensibilities into our comments remembering she has loved ones that will be grieving her early demise. Just my 2 cents.

Seriously?

Sagamite:

You have to get it in your head that it is one thing to frown at indecency in you society and a completely different thing to engage in indecency in your personal time.

This your statement is as silly as saying "Oh, if you watch por-n, why are you offended por-n is shown to your kids in nursery school. You are just a hypocrite jor!".

Democracy! Freedom of speech! *I spit on both*

Wow. Speechless.

kumbalo: @OP, Nice post.Unfortunately you just couldn't hide you religious bigotry when you mentioned that the Ganster at the white... house throwing drones, killing Matin Luther King's dream. That almost rubbished you entire post for real.

Cosigned!

dare2think:
However Sagamite, the need for tolerance and respect for other people's choice in living their lives must not be undermined. Excessive freedom and liberal view is often regarded as self-implosion, but the same can be said of the opposite of 'progressives' and 'forward-thinkers'.

This world has had its fair share of draconian rulers who feel they hold the right in knowing how other should live their lives too.


The question is where and how do we find the balance?
What yardstick can be used to measure morality and accepted behavior?

No doubt.

But, no 1, if we are going to co-habit peacefully in a society we need to have terms and conditions for living together. Those terms and conditions might suppress some desires, that is life. It is fair as long as it is democratic and flexible (i.e. changeable over time as taste change). This lack of flexibility is the key fault in fundamentalist Islamic governance. They win through democracy and might decide to permanently force their philosophy on others for life.

No 2, as I said, I am against conservatism too. I am just on the case of liberalism nowadays as it is their junk that is ruling. I am only happy with a sensible standpoint. Sensible always gets the superior outcomes, it is the balance.

Fck freedom! Freedom is always abused. I am for sensible and balanced regulation.

AjanleKoko: Lots of cynics and hypocrites in the congregation as usual.
Yeah Goldie was no Mother Teresa. But she lived her life in the way she wanted to. She didn't steal from the treasury like Ibori, waste her boyfriend like Pistorius, or jack anybody up in traffic. Whether you like it or not, she put the country on the map by doing what she knew how to do, in her own way.

It's up to her fans to immortalize her. Even if one of them happens to be the governor's wife. It's their prerogative.
It's a pity we have so many chump-minded Nigerians.

Why not make comparism with people in the good book of the people in everywise

I'm not going to stoop to your level and call names, I'd have no qualms letting you have a taste of your own pudding but I'll be the bigger person because I think this topic is one that should be discussed maturely.

See how you are hurling insults at me simply because I said we shouldn't judge her, oh well I never even liked Goldie's music but that doesn't mean I should be sentimental.

She did her thing the way she thought right and I asked the OP what he has done to back up on his points, its not just enough to tell people how useless and mediocre he thinks others to be, everyone has their preferences, he might be a christian with the belief of heaven and hell while someone else may not believe in that, what he calls wrong, someone else may see no wrong in so what is your point exactly?

I understand what he's trying to say but then using Goldie as an example for mediocrity is what I'm not freaked about.

free2ryhme: ..



Bros if goldie was your sister legally married ( not divorced) and she going around with a guy on national TV and openly showing affection for the dude.. dancing half naked , corrupting little children with useless and rotten dance steps(skibobo) i guess your mother and father would be proud of her right?


bros she did not put my country on the map cos the last time i checked Nigeria has always bin on the map even before she was born .. except na your own map of immorality and nudity we u draw up na im u dey refer to.

good!

[color=#770077][/color]as many ladies that open their cleavages how Lord give them cancer of the Breast amen.

She is dead and somethings are better left unsaid.no matter d way she lived her life,we should be sober someone left us.
I was not a big fan of her but rily felt it when I heard about her death.

Chanchit: @Op thats the way the game is now being played. The world is now crazy, n I think its just better to just go crazy with it. As for me I'M CRAZY..!

Guess u need a doctor....u don't seem normal

Sagamite:

No doubt.

But, no 1, if we are going to co-habit peacefully in a society we need to have terms and conditions for living together. Those terms and conditions might suppress some desires, that is life. It is fair as long as it is democratic and flexible (i.e. changeable over time as taste change). This lack of flexibility is the key fault in fundamentalist Islamic governance. They win through democracy and might decide to permanently force their philosophy on others for life.

No 2, as I said, I am against conservatism too. I am just on the case of liberalism nowadays as it is their junk that is ruling. I am only happy with a sensible standpoint. Sensible always gets the superior outcomes, it is the balance.

Fck freedom! Freedom is always abused. I am for sensible and balanced regulation.

Personally, I nauseate every time I conjure up effort to watch keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore, Geordie shore and all those sense-numbing programes.

However, I feel comfortable knowing people still hold that 'freedom' to choose , however absurd, the programmes they want to watch.

You detest freedom? Would you rather live in North Korea then? lol

I get you though.

chuckdee4: Justice Esiri died today, he contributed a lot more to the Nigerian entertainment inductry than Goldie could ever think of, yet you would have been forgiven if you thought an icon had passed away last week.
When i heard of Goldie's death, I went on youtube and looked for a sample of her song, DISSAPOINTING is not even enough to describe how I felt.

The country truly is in a state and when cowboy governors follow the trend of embrassing mediocrity when they should be setting trends of encouraging the true heros, you know shit has hit the fan.

RIP Justice Esiri, i know he touched my life somehow from all those soaps he did, as for Goldie, rest in peace as well but people should stop trying to make her look like some national hero, I know enough igbo boys in Idumota who have touched a lot more lives than Goldie ever did.

PS: Notice the little attention this topic will get, the truth is bitter alright but I would rather live with it than live in denial

I am 20,goldie was 31, and Justus Esiri was an old man that did most of his stuff when i was a toddler or before i was born. So,out of the two,who do you expect me to celebrate?? And as for the 'igbo' boys in idumota, what have you done to encourage them? Maybe if you promote them, we'll get to hear about them and also celebrate them too...

Hmmm, Goldie again, mite as well let the lady RIP.

Okay, for a truth, maybe the entirety of Goldie's life wasn't exactly what we would dream of a loved one living, but is that all the op saw in Goldie? In that the op is guilty of the same thing he''s accusing others of doing, just in a different perspective. Now, according to the op, all he thinks of Goldie is that she was an immoral and base and shallow person that didn't deserve any of the accolades she got at death. But that's just seeing her from an extremely jaundiced point of view, same as those practically canonizing her as a saint.

You could think of Goldie as a tramp that went off with someone else's husband (a story we all are not even sure of, lady came up with that only after Goldie died. Why she waited till then, I dunno), wasn't impressive on big brother with the whole Prezzo thing and a singer with bad morals (which you can only draw from music videos, we don't know what her actual morals were like). Or you can think of her as someone who did something she liked doing, tried to entertain and went after her dreams. It's your choice. Even those people the op thinks are more deserving of accolades have things they are not proud of but in the op's mind, it doesn't make them any less deserving. Why should Goldie's situation be different.

And as for who is worth honour and who isn't.....not everybody has to be Martin Luther or Nelson Mandela. Neither can everybody be Fela. All that has been sent Goldie's way are words, not national honours. Words we can use to describe anybody any day. Not everybody sees Goldie and thinks "shallow lady with loose morals". There are young people that see her as a performer that tried to carve her own place in our music industry and that's the dream they want to follow. Isn't that worth emulating? For all we know, she could have chosen to be anything, from a porn star to an armed robber to, i dunno, a Nigerian embezzling politician.

I'm not asking you to start showering accolades on her o. Just pointing out that we might as well be objective when offering criticisms.

dare2think:

Personally, I nauseate every time I conjure up effort to watch keeping up with the Kardashians, Jersey Shore, Geordie shore and all those sense-numbing programes.

However, I feel comfortable knowing people still hold that 'freedom' to choose , however absurd, the programmes they want to watch.

You detest freedom? Would you rather live in North Korea then? lol

I get you though.

I have NEVER watched any of those shows because I like my food and don't want to throw-up.

But they keep on churning out more of those moronic kinds of programmes everytime.

The last one I saw advertised and swore under my breath was "Singing Date". People meet up on blind dates and sit and sing to each other.

I was so irritated and thinking which funky moorons conjured this new dumb rubbish again.

Give me Newsnight and Dragons Den anyday.

funkydot: @Op
What is all dis sanctimonious nonsense you have just penned that all your ilk here are celebrating?!!! People like you make me sick because you just take a look at someone and condemn then from your high viewing pedestal based on media representation wtf! Just because Goldie lived part of her life in the face of the public being an entertainer doesn't mean she can be trashed for whatever we deduce from her so-called lifestyle forgetting that most of our generalisation about these so-called celebrities are mostly based on assumptions and half-truths. Besides the fact that we found out Goldie was married after her death as well as her celebrated relationship with Prezzo, there doesn't seem to be any other scandal associated with her...now if you would be reasonable and agree with me that in between her so-called 'secret marriage' and dalliance with Prezzo there are a lot of grey areas that we do not understand and perhaps may never know nor is this really any business of ours.In view of the fact that the main man (i.e. her hubby) who should have felt slighted or wronged by this 'adultery' kept praising her really makes me wonder what exactly all this hullabaloo is all about! I believe each and everyone of us should examine ourselves to see if indeed we are living exemplary lives before this castigation of Goldie. For the records, I had no intention of holding brief for her because I could barely stick her while she was alive, perhaps I even said some mean words about her during the BBA episode because she came across as a needy and clingy lady not particularly my type of role model because I mostly admire strong women but this whole ish on her death and lifestyle is just totally pitiful so please let's put some sensibilities into our comments remembering she has loved ones that will be grieving her early demise. Just my 2 cents.

GBAM,KPAKAM! The poster is like saying Goldie's death was becos she was worldly. No matter how you feel about someone's behaviour, you must show penitence over a demise of a soul, and that to me is what every other person being condemned by the writer to me did. Op, you appear happy that death met Goldie and that her death was becos of the way she had lived her life? You may be wrong I believe.Wouldn't you have prayed she lived more than she did and probably get her life back and better as you are preaching now? Christ came for the lost soul, not a "claimed holier than thou" which you appear to be?

What is it with ppl? What is your problem with the way goldie lived her life? Goldie was an entertainer and a human being who did wat she new best...just because you have an opinion doest make you a judge or God...the way you have certain opinions about some set of ppl is the way some will hav sometin to say about too...if u are a genius show your talent and let us see.stop judging other cos this is not criticism.....if u are a scientist come out and show ur talent,if u are a sports man show ur talent leave others doin their thing....nigerians pretend to be critics when they are actually beefers

@ Op, you were making a little sense until you called Obama a gangster sending drones to kill innocent people. At least innocent people have not done a simultaneous US attack on guilty people of the USA since 2001, the initial stimulus for the drones

Sagamite:

If you are happy for your daughter to copy her life rather than people like Odeku, then you are entitled to be comfortble local leaders are publicly idolising her.

Yeah, she put Nigeria on the map more than Latunde Odeku or even Bayo Ogunlesi, but the value of what she is putting on the map should be taken in context. And good leaders should make sound judgements on the mental orientation they want to shape for their society.

To be honest, I couldn't help it if my daughter decided to be the Nigerian version of Kim Kardashian.
I'll be long dead before she goes.

ajf: Ok,Mr holier than thou,we don hear you. Naturally,people celebrate what makes them happy and just awwwwwwwwww to bad news. Somebody took an axe on his head for his mother,what the hell is worth remembering in that horrible story??!! I understand the point you are trying to prove here,but please keep goldie out of this,she's had enough!! I loved goldie and i will celebrate her. It's none of your business so, let me be!!

it's very easy to identify the agwu and its worshipers, cos they look miserable like their filthy god. I'm not judging u girl

I guess the OP is just trying to see reason in such rich words used by the governor in describing someone whom contributed little to moral,or economic development.

AjanleKoko:

To be honest, I couldn't help it if my daughter decided to be the Nigerian version of Kim Kardashian.
I'll be long dead before she goes.

If that is the case, just write in your will that your daughters number should be passed to Saga's son.

What the OP was particular about is "Immortalisation" and 'Honouring Mediocrity'. He did well raising salient points to defend it. But he (almost) destroyed it with that little religious bigotry. *wetin concern white house concern Goldie*

Sagamite:

So damn right!

Many things I see in the modern society contributes to my lack of desire of bringing a kid to this world.

You can go buttnaked and have sex infront of the world and become a superstar millionaire, you campaign/innovate/volunteer and make lives of millions better, you merely get a transient acknowledgement at best.

Secondly, intellect has been relegated to fall behind sex in the modern world.

I believe we can still train our kids in the right way and who knows, they might be the light that will shine in their dark world.

Thank God, am relieved to see that there still some Nigerians that reasons with their brain, back to the topic I almost slapped a colleague last monday because of this Goldie issue, one thing I want to make clear is that DEATH is inevitable every living things will surely have a taste of it, so I don't see any reason why people should have extra sympathy anytime an entertainer died, I don't call them celeb cause many of them during their life they didn't do anything that calls for celebration after their death, a pastor that has touched the lives of many people one way or another died on the altar he didn't get much media attraction as Goldie, though I dnt have anything against the lady and I can't speak ill of her bt my point is since we can't speak ill of the dead we should also stop given them the praises they don't deserve..............anyway ( M.H.S.R.I.P.I.D) may her soul rest in peace if deserved

@op
A nice piece there and quite timely, too. These observations and submissions, as convincing and poignant, as they are, would hardly pass the grain of current realities and pomp-read “pop”, and hero worship-whatever that is supposed to mean, that assails society.

As proof of how warped our value system is, run a quick check of front page entries and see which commands the most traffic.

Key thing:Nuisance is Relative. It might not meet up to your moral/religious conduct but as long as its not illegal its acceptable et la Kim Kardashian.

Discussing this with a colleague at work and he argues that The Late MKO Abiola is a big nuisance because he sponsored coups and also embezzled a lot of money via the ITT(As made famous by Fela). He even argues Abiola is one of Nigerias greatest and most corrupt individuals.

On the other hand, Some Nigerians see MKO Abiola as the "Dangote" of his day and a very great philanthropist.

Goldie might not have lived up to the posters Religious/Moral standards but we all have our individual standards and as long as she didn't do anything illegal which would be bound by law which we all uphold,She deserves to be immortalized by those who deem it fit including Myself and Dr Kayode Fayemi.

We debate to learn and all said and done we can always agree to disagree.

Ironic that some of the people condemning Goldie's "immorality" here are the same hurling insults. I suppose insulting people is a very moral act. Everyone is suddenly comfortably seated on their moral high horse, praising the writer for his "insight" and thanking their various gods and stars that "sensible" people like him still exist in the country. Apparently, one of the downsides of being a celebrity is that they become easy targets. For the record, I am no fan of Goldie and had no idea who she was until her much publicized death.

Indeed, one has got to wonder how this writer arrived at his conclusions and deemed Goldie as "immoral" and "dishonourable". This write up, though contains some salient points, generally reeks of extreme self-righteousness. If you ask me, this sanctimonious rant qualifies the writer as immoral and dishonourable as well. Don't ask me how; my methods are the same as the writer's. You see, the problem with passing moral judgments is that our individual and collective senses of what constitutes morality are often subjective. For example, some would have you believe that certain hairstyles are immoral. Or certain clothings; even jewelries. Who defines these things?

I do think that for most people (if not all), what passes for "immoral" is nothing but our personal disgust for that thing in question (especially when it is sex.ual in nature). I do often seriously wonder how anyone would reasonably expect 7 billion people to hold on to similar values and standards. Or why they would deem their own values as superior to anyone else's for that matter.

Lastly, that final quibble about "mentally colonized perverts" who seek to "justify" homosexuality and likening it to ince.st is especially idiotic and borders on extreme ignorance.

freecocoa: Talking about how she ran about in the BBA house chasing what you call "perverts" sounds judgmental to me.

I dont think there is anything judgemental in this.. You wont approved your married sister chasing after young weird boiz on BBA when she has sworn to the oath for better or worse ... she is only a point of reference to the immorality and shamelessness that is being pervert all in the name of entertainment ... I believe you would approve of ofunneka being fingered and getting drunk in a previous edition of BBA. Pls if you would not wish your family member to engage in such an immoral act dont approve it of anybody..

Nice one, this write up is just so wow.....