Enigma: If you mean taking back the calling of others "judaizers", that is OK as in my view it goes against the spirit of this thread.

The real point I was making was that using the term in such manner is compounded/worsened by the fact that, in my view, you are in error to suggest that a Christian cannot/does not sin -- no matter how that is interpreted.

Enigma: ^ I understand and indeed I am trying to be understanding. At the same time I am trying to be gently firm --- because I consider that necessary.

christemmbassey: when d bad boy was still a log way off, d papa ran and carried him like a trophy, kissed him and threw a big party, did d father waited to hear his cönfession b4 runing off to welcome him?

christemmbassey: i'm very sure dat post did nt call anybody on this thread a 'judaizer', i said "if a christian fail to realise who he/she is", but likf i said, if it sounds dif in ur ears, i afologise, am sorry. Peace.

christemmbassey: i'm very sure dat post did nt call anybody on this thread a 'judaizer', i said "if a christian fail to realise who he/she is", but likf i said, if it sounds dif in ur ears, i afologise, am sorry. Peace.

moshoodn:

Hello...

I requested for a copy of your message, and you told me to send my mail to your number..

I've done that like 38 hours ago...

Can I still have it or I should just look away?

moshoodn:

Hello...

I requested for a copy of your message, and you told me to send my mail to your number..

I've done that like 38 hours ago...

Can I still have it or I should just look away?

Enigma: @Drummaboy

Ah, please no no no no bros! It is the very last thing I want to do.

Honestly, I generally prefer to be in the background --- except I find I can't stop getting into ruckus every now and then!

Pastor Kun: Faith as the precondition for grace

Romans 4:13-16
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14[b] For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless[/b], 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.


Romans 10:4
4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.


Acts 15:10-11
10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Faith as a precondition for man’s salvation is based on the Abrahamic covenant as explained in Romans 4:13-16. That was God’s promise to Abraham and his descendants by faith. Some would argue about the law being a prerequisite for salvation but as the scriptures rightly said the law was merely introduced to expose man’s failings to make us realize that by our selves we can do nothing

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

It is very important for us as Christians to recognize and accept that salvation is purely by the grace of God and not by our works. Cause if we think it is by our works it would breed pride and God hates pride. God in his infinite wisdom knowing that if it is by works no human would be saved decided to offer us a much easier path to salvation by sending his son to show us the way and die for the redemption of our sins. One thing I would like to emphasize though is that faith in Christ is not limited to faith/belief in his name, faith in Christ means adhering to his teachings because merely believing in his name and not abiding by his teachings would make us hypocrites who are merely practicing religion and not true faith in Christ Jesus.
Acts 15:10-11 also reiterates that believers are not subject to the law as it is humanly impossible to keep and an unnecessary burden on believers who are saved by grace. It also addresses our modern day Judaizers who are bent on keeping brethren under the law.


TBC

ledafaze:

Faith as the precondition for grace? Please please please...

DrummaBoy:

Do you have a question on this?

ledafaze:

Yes...

The definition of Grace and how faith comes into the picture...

Ever heard of Faith renewed by Grace?

Please Faith started in the Old Testament.... Grace in the New Testament...

DrummaBoy:

Sir,

Follow the teachings as enumerated on the time table of the convention on this link, you will find the answers to your questions there. The teachers for the convention did justice to your questions and others:

https://www.nairaland.com/1416947/welcome-e-grace-convention-2013/1#17754058

ledafaze:

Guy,

In this dispensation, Grace is a pathway on its own... ...without any works or faith at all... it is called Unmerited...

Image123:

Faith links you to God's grace. No matter the grace in front of you, you cannot have it without faith, as it were. Without faith it is impossible to please God, ithink the first passage of kunle's post that you quoted says pretty much the same.

ledafaze:

Don't misunderstand the bible. Grace cant be worked for... You can't attain Grace through faith... Grace is like a turnel while faith is the fuel in that turnel. Grace comes to you, taps into you without faith being involved.... Then it now depends on how well you tap into the faith in the tunnel...

Abegi... I dont like dragging issues... na to enter heaven we dey after... bye...

Unfollowing post

ledafaze:

Don't misunderstand the bible. Grace cant be worked for... You can't attain Grace through faith... Grace is like a turnel while faith is the fuel in that turnel. Grace comes to you, taps into you without faith being involved.... Then it now depends on how well you tap into the faith in the tunnel...

Abegi... I dont like dragging issues... na to enter heaven we dey after... bye...

Unfollowing post

ledafaze:

Faith as the precondition for grace? Please please please...

ledafaze:

Don't misunderstand the bible. Grace cant be worked for... You can't attain Grace through faith... Grace is like a turnel while faith is the fuel in that turnel. Grace comes to you, taps into you without faith being involved.... Then it now depends on how well you tap into the faith in the tunnel...

Abegi... I dont like dragging issues... na to enter heaven we dey after... bye...

Unfollowing post

Image123:

Faith links you to God's grace. No matter the grace in front of you, you cannot have it without faith, as it were. Without faith it is impossible to please God, ithink the first passage of kunle's post that you quoted says pretty much the same.

ledafaze:

Guy,

In this dispensation, Grace is a pathway on its own... ...without any works or faith at all... it is called Unmerited...

Image123:

Faith links you to God's grace. No matter the grace in front of you, you cannot have it without faith, as it were. Without faith it is impossible to please God, ithink the first passage of kunle's post that you quoted says pretty much the same.

alexleo:

Ephesians 2:8.

8 For BY GRACE are ye saved THROUGH FAITH;

Simply means- Salvation is by grace but obtained through faith. For example if you work in a company and they bring cars to give out to staff, the car is already available but you must need to do something to obtain it. May be sign some documents or may be provide some documents etc Grace is available but you OBTAIN it through faith. You don't ATTaIN grace.
Pls when you come to discussion forums like this, have an open mind to learn. Don't stick to what you already know until you are sure that what you know cannot be disproved. Now you said- "unfollowing thread". So did you come to impose what you know on us? Sorry it doesn't work that way. Thanks.

Belexy 95: I cudnt follow up wit d convention but was able 2 read up d various papers presented. Jst 2 make a little remark i tink wud help som persons. 1stly,its important wen interpreting scriptures dat we do witin context. In a bid 2 Interpret scripture in isolation usually dnt give d rite interpretatn. @christembassy,i salute ur courage 2 stand ur ground n defend ur believe,against d popular sin consciousness believe. I admonish us as fellow comrades of christ,dat we do well 2 put off assumptions wen it comes 2 Gods word. More of His Manifold Grace 2 u all!!