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Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 5:42pm On Oct 17, 2013
PrettySpicey: It is called PROTEST. That is how it started, one man protesting against an already existing doctrine and that is how it's been spreading.
They call it Holy Spirit Inspiration, I call it Dividing the Body of Christ.
At the end, May God help us all.

To the point!
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 5:43pm On Oct 17, 2013
chukwudi44:
na who even get time for trolls.I have been ignoring trolls since 1940s grin grin grin grin grin grin
grin grin grin OLD MAN
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 5:44pm On Oct 17, 2013
Bidam: grin grin grin OLD MAN

bros leave me abeg.I am chasing methuselah's record grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 5:47pm On Oct 17, 2013
But in reality the church has not always been one.Even in the first century we have had the simonians,nicolaitans and other gnostic sects ravaging christendom.

St Ireneaus of Lyons in his second century clasic "against heresies" mentioned over 20 gnostic sects in his time
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Enigma(m): 5:48pm On Oct 17, 2013
FECOSON: Romans 16:17-18
New International Version (NIV)
17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned.Keep away from them.18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ,but their own appetites.By smooth talk and flattery they deceivethe minds of naive people

Yep, especially people who say things that are clearly anti-Christ like the example below. wink


“We declare, state, define and pronounce that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff. (‘Pope’ Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam; statement made ex cathedra, thus ‘infallibly’)


Yep, it is people who say such idiotic things in the quest for both religious and political power that are the principal causes of division. wink

smiley
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by adsonstone: 5:56pm On Oct 17, 2013
italo:

For there to be a "best," there has to be at least two others, possibly many.

But Jesus founded only one Church. I think, strictly speaking, it is the Catholic Church. Not the best; the only.

You say it is which one?


What justifies this statement?
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 5:59pm On Oct 17, 2013
adsonstone:


What justifies this statement?

you are Peter and on this rock I shall build my church(not churches)
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(m): 6:04pm On Oct 17, 2013
D catholic are d genesis of division in christendom. Many break away because of their fetish practices and barbaric doctrine. Now tell me do they even know jesus christ the saviour than their high esteem pope dat they worship as God? I just shake my head in lamentation for them.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by woky: 6:09pm On Oct 17, 2013
chukwudi44:

you are Peter and on this rock I shall build my church(not churches)
and the gate of hell shall not prevail even ADSONSTONE
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 6:10pm On Oct 17, 2013
Ukuts gp: D catholic are d genesis of division in christendom. Many break away because of their fetish practices and barbaric doctrine. Now tell me do they even know jesus christ the saviour than their high esteem pope dat they worship as God? I just shake my head in lamentation for them.

mumu where did they break away from

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Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Enigma(m): 6:12pm On Oct 17, 2013
@woky

In case you missed it, I reproduce below a question that I first asked you yesterday. Any answer?
-----------------------------------------------------

@woky

Bros, I hope you will answer me one question. Again, this is meant to help us understand the causes of all this denominationalism.

Also please note that I will be most grateful to hear an answer that you have thought through yourself rather than one based on what any institution or body might have said historically.

Question:

Myself and two other friends believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and God the Son born of virgin Mary. We meet regularly to pray and sing hymns together. Would you call us {your} brothers or would you call us {your} "separated brethren"?


{Please, kindly give reasons/explanation for your answer, thanks.} smiley
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by adsonstone: 6:35pm On Oct 17, 2013
italo:

No point. No reasons. No case.

Just a blind declaration you've made.


My words are few, besides, can't waste time outlining things I know you may ignore.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(m): 6:39pm On Oct 17, 2013
Your ignorance stinks
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by adsonstone: 6:40pm On Oct 17, 2013
chukwudi44:

how does that contradict me asking mary to pray for me?

It really does. It won't only if you choose to see it in your own way which is definitely out of the context which it actually is.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 6:44pm On Oct 17, 2013
adsonstone:

It really does. It won't only if you choose to see it in your own way which is definitely out of the context which it actually is.

Bros you are not making sense
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by adsonstone: 6:51pm On Oct 17, 2013
chukwudi44:

you are Peter and on this rock I shall build my church(not churches)

Yes, I agree with this 100%...but unfortunately, that's not the response I require.

The Apostle Peter was appointed to handle the affairs of the church but I can't find any 'catholic-related' doctrine in Apostle Peter's messages. He preached Jesus, taught people the Gospel and did so many miracles. So how is the Church the Catholic Church? (I'm fully aware the Catholic Church regard him as the first Pope anyway, besides, I'm not criticising)
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by AbiJr: 7:09pm On Oct 17, 2013
italo:

You have quoted the Bible extensively to criticize the Catholic Church. I hope you know that the Bible originated from the Catholic Church.

If the Catholic Church is evil, the Bible is evil.

moses wrote five books of the bible are u sayin dat he is a catholic membr? al this doctrin was nt givn to any body by d apostle who started dat church.
never u say d bible is evel!

and fr d different doctrin nt only im christainity is in d othr religion too
may we my say wat God wil purnish us IJN
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 7:30pm On Oct 17, 2013
italo:

You have quoted the Bible extensively to criticize the Catholic Church. I hope you know that the Bible originated from the Catholic Church.

If the Catholic Church is evil, the Bible is evil.

Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Nobody: 7:41pm On Oct 17, 2013
3 major reasons y dere re different doctrines..1.most pple misunderstand d bible n interpret it d way dey lyk forgettin dat it pple is a mystery wich can only be revealed by the holy spirit(eph 1v9) 2.the devil want to bring distraction n separation in d church..he deceives pple even thru fake vision of christ. 3.humans re different n many pple dont want to accept truth 4 various reasons dey prefer stickin to wat they ve been told even wen it has been proved without reason doubt
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Enigma(m): 7:47pm On Oct 17, 2013
Abi Jr:
moses wrote five books of the bible are u sayin dat he is a catholic membr? ......

Following is something I have posted a couple of times in the past: smiley
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Previously posted here: https://www.nairaland.com/1257440/catholic-catholic-back-catholic#17636669

The arguments of the Roman Catholic apologists that "they" "compiled" the Bible are based on falsehoods, misrepresentations and deliberate propaganda. I'm sorry to say that the propaganda even includes entries in Wikipedia and people should judge carefully when they read about Roman Catholicism in places like that. One would need to look beyond not so rigorous sources like Wikipedia. smiley

Anyway here is a couple more helpful threads:

Short thread with short posts and quick to a number of significant points: https://www.nairaland.com/1254965/eastern-orthodox-church-orthodox-catholic

Longer with arguments from different sides: https://www.nairaland.com/1039359/canon-bible-roman-catholic-church

smiley

Addendum: and of course the thread from which the post came originally https://www.nairaland.com/1257440/catholic-catholic-back-catholic

cool
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 8:07pm On Oct 17, 2013
iamonlyaugust:
Hey Italo. To be candid, I really love your diatribe on this thread. It's unusual, but susceptible. But for me, I'd love to have a debate with you anytime about this moot issue têtê-à-têtê. The argument, I presume, won't be quite enlightening here. Help pick a date here in lagos, precisely any weekend, and a palatable venue and let's do it.

Safe.

Thanks...and I appreciate your request. I feel honoured that you want to have this debate with me. Please allow me think about it for 24 hours then I will communicate my decision by sending you a pm.

If this debate holds brother, let us both ensure that we do it for Jesus...for love...for truth.

God bless you.

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Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 8:20pm On Oct 17, 2013
Syncan:
Hahahaha, bros I just de laugh, some cry baby trolling the thread , yet no attention, I just de laugh since.
chukwudi44:
bros dont even waste your time debating with trolls on this site.Before you debate with anyone just check his/her post history.Some people are just meant to be ignored

Brothers, I dont know this person you are talking about.

Could it be that this troll is so irrelevant that I can't notice?

Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Enigma(m): 8:22pm On Oct 17, 2013
Crybabies united --- again! wink

smiley
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by simpleman: 8:22pm On Oct 17, 2013
Ukuts gp: Why do we have so many different doctrines in churches today? Is the bible not one? Is God not one?.

Some will say pay tithe others will say no need. Some will say ladies can wear trouser others will say ladies should not wear trouser. Some will say, ladies must cover their hair others will say ladies should not cover their hair in church. Some will say, there is hell other will say there is nothing like hell fire. Some will say God is three in one others will say God is only one. Some will say u can pray through mary and jesus others will say pray only through jesus christ. Some will say fast others will say no need to fast. Some will say the earth shall be turned into paradise other will say there is no such thing, that we will all leave earth to heaven in the last day. Some will say give your first fruit offering other will say there no need for that anymore. Some will say we should worship God only on saturday which is the sabbath day others will say it is on sunday we should worship God. Some will say no christmas others will say there is christmas. Some will say christians can marry more than one wife other will say they cannot. Some say you can wear earing and fix nails others will say you must not wear earing and fix nail(for ladies). Some say you can do blood transfusion and take drugs others say you cannot do blood transfusion and take drugs that all you need is to apply faith. etc.

Somebody tell me, is this not confusion?. Hw can we know the truth now. Or who have a clear answers to the above different doctrines peddles by different denominations today. I wonder sha!

God help me o.

You want to know the truth ? research what the first commandment is. as given by Moses and Jesus Christ. The first commandment takes care of everything. once you understand what the first commandment truely is, all your answers, will subsequently, be answered.
Good luck.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by ogbronx(m): 8:25pm On Oct 17, 2013
italo:

The "pastors" are the ones allowing the devil to use them to teach false doctrine.

Who made them psstors anyway?
money
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 8:30pm On Oct 17, 2013
COYG: Must say I am impressed with maturity of majority of the commenters here in not mentioning names and not taking the thread personal.
With that been said, I want you guys to ponder on d following questions as you comment:
-What if Christ came when humans have not discovered the act of writing, how could the teachings be preserved?
- With reference to the above question, would christianity be extint by now?
-Peter, Paul, Silas, etc, never opened any church in Rome, Corinth, theselonia, etc by writing to them. They only wrote to encourage, advice or warn. So, how were these people practising
their christianity in the absence of the disciples and their leters?

They were practising their Christianity by learning Christ's teaching from the apostles and their successors e.g Timothy. And they were learning by word of mouth aka Sacred (oral) Tradition(2Thess 2:15). The same thing has continued for 2000yrs...till today's successors - the Catholic priests.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 8:37pm On Oct 17, 2013
Ukuts gp: D catholic are d genesis of division in christendom. Many break away because of their fetish practices and barbaric doctrine. Now tell me do they even know jesus christ the saviour than their high esteem pope dat they worship as God? I just shake my head in lamentation for them.

Stop this open display of lies, envy, arrogant ignorance.

It does disservice to your God-given dignity as a human being.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 8:43pm On Oct 17, 2013
adsonstone:

My words are few, besides can't waste time outlining things I know you may ignore.

No brother, we only ignore those who have shown themselves over time to be irritated by truth.

I dont believe you fall in this category.
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by italo: 8:48pm On Oct 17, 2013
adsonstone:

Yes, I agree with this 100%...but unfortunately, that's not the response I require.

The Apostle Peter was appointed to handle the affairs of the church but I can't find any 'catholic-related' doctrine in Apostle Peter's messages. He preached Jesus, taught people the Gospel and did so many miracles. So how is the Church the Catholic Church? (I'm fully aware the Catholic Church regard him as the first Pope anyway besides I'm not criticising)

There's a verifiable unbroken link of Papal succession from St. Peter to Pope Francis.

Jesus did not give a Shepherd to only those who were alive in his day.

Jesus told Peter: "feed my sheep."

I ask you: are you Jesus sheep...and are you being fed by Peter?
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by woky: 8:55pm On Oct 17, 2013
Enigma: @woky

In case you missed it, I reproduce below a question that I first asked you yesterday. Any answer?
-----------------------------------------------------

@woky

Bros, I hope you will answer me one question. Again, this is meant to help us understand the causes of all this denominationalism.

Also please note that I will be most grateful to hear an answer that you have thought through yourself rather than one based on what any institution or body might have said historically.

Question:

Myself and two other friends believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and God the Son born of virgin Mary. We meet regularly to pray and sing hymns together. Would you call us {your} brothers or would you call us {your} "separated brethren"?


{Please, kindly give reasons/explanation for your answer, thanks.} smiley
Despite the fact dat we both profess faith in christ our head, bt do you belief in the BODY AND BLOOD of CHRIST(Holy Eucharist), do you believe in the Sacrament of Confession Answere the above questions 1st
Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Enigma(m): 8:55pm On Oct 17, 2013
Ukuts gp: D catholic are d genesis of division in christendom. Many break away because of their fetish practices and barbaric doctrine. Now tell me do they even know jesus christ the saviour than their high esteem pope dat they worship as God? I just shake my head in lamentation for them.

And about some of the so-called "popes" read up about what is known as Saeculum Obscurum when the "whole "pope" thing was known as the "Pornocracy" ruled by women everyone saw as wh.ores. wink

smiley

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