woky: Despite the fact dat we both profess faith in christ our head, bt do you belief in the BODY AND BLOOD of CHRIST(Holy Eucharist), do you believe in the Sacrament of Confession Answere the above questions 1st

I believe in the commemoration of the last supper that Jesus Christ instituted. I also believe in the biblical teaching to confess our sins to one another. (EDITED)


OK: now so are you able to call me your brother or are you only able to regard me as one of the "separated brethren"?

Let me be upfront: I am ready to call you my brother --- if you believe in Jesus as the Son of God and God the Son born of the virgin Mary?

So what say you?

italo:

You have quoted the Bible extensively to criticize the Catholic Church. I hope you know that the Bible originated from the Catholic Church.

If the Catholic Church is evil, the Bible is evil.

My dear brother pls be informed that the bible never originated from the catholic church. Mind you the bible was compiled in the 4th century by a group of 70 scholars called the septungans while the catholic church was officially reported to have started in the 5th century with pope gregory I (590 - 604 AD) as the first pope. The only reported version of the bible to have been written by the vatican is the good news bible (published by missionary of st. Pauls) with deutronomical books. I'm a catholic myself so let's get facts straight

chidachris:

My dear brother pls be informed that the bible never originated from the catholic church. Mind you the bible was compiled in the 4th century by a group of 70 scholars called the septungans while the catholic church was officially reported to have started in the 5th century with pope gregory I (590 - 604 AD) as the first pope. The only reported version of the bible to have been written by the vatican is the good news bible (published by missionary of st. Pauls) with deutronomical books. I'm a catholic myself so let's get facts straight

My dear brother, I dont even want to go into whether you are Catholic or not; but your post is filled with horrific misinformation and ignorance about Church history.

I dont even know where to start with you.

Please read and educate yourself, then come back and let's see what you found out.

chidachris:

My dear brother pls be informed that the bible never originated from the catholic church. Mind you the bible was compiled in the 4th century by a group of 70 scholars called the septungans while the catholic church was officially reported to have started in the 5th century with pope gregory I (590 - 604 AD) as the first pope. The only reported version of the bible to have been written by the vatican is the good news bible (published by missionary of st. Pauls) with deutronomical books. I'm a catholic myself so let's get facts straight

Na who be dis 1? Catholic ko katolik ni.Even a Jss 1 student is more aquainted with history than you

The word 'septungans' even want to make me choke with laughter.I have never seen anyone so boldly ignorant

Enigma:

I believe in the commemoration of the last supper that Jesus Christ instituted. I also believe in the biblical teaching to confess our sins to one another. (EDITED)


OK: now so are you able to call me your brother or are you only able to regard me as one of the "separated brethren"?

Let me be upfront: I am ready to call you my brother --- if you believe in Jesus as the Son of God and God the Son born of the virgin Mary?

So what say you?

when u ar ready to answer my questions, then we can talk

Sweetapple007: the church of st peter! Jesus said to peter on him he wil build his !church the gate of hel shal not pravail!

Actually, the church cannot be built on a man. The church is built on the truth which is the confession of Peter that Christ is the Son of God .

woky: when u ar ready to answer my questions, then we can talk

Ah, na so? So, basically you can't see me as a brother?

So which one of us is causing division now?

chidachris:

My dear brother pls be informed that the bible never originated from the catholic church. Mind you the bible was compiled in the 4th century by a group of 70 scholars called the septungans while the catholic church was officially reported to have started in the 5th century with pope gregory I (590 - 604 AD) as the first pope. The only reported version of the bible to have been written by the vatican is the good news bible (published by missionary of st. Pauls) with deutronomical books. I'm a catholic myself so let's get facts straight

see them.. Ndi catholic

@woky

What about the people on the Christian Chat thread? Are you also not able to call them your brothers and sisters?

If so, I say to you again: then, who is causing division?

Sability:


Actually, the church cannot be built on a man. The church is built on the truth which is the confession of Peter that Christ is the Son of God .

That one na Jesus talk am.no need trying to twist it.He further reinforced it by handing over the care of his flock to him shortly before his ascension to heaven

chukwudi44:

That one na Jesus talk am.no need trying to twist it.He further reinforced it by handing over the care of his flock to him shortly before his ascension to heaven

so peter then hand it to catholic

^^^ Dem dey deceive themselves.

Anyway here is what someone who himself very nearly became a "pope" said:

Per "Cardinal" Baronius

"The chief lesson of these times is that the Church can get along very well without popes. What is vital to the Church's survival is not the pope but Jesus Christ. He is the head of the Church, not the pope."

Pastor Olu T: Simple, 'cos we all understand things differently, and not forgetting the devil's factor

But I have this to say irrespective of ur denomination, ur relationship with God should be utmost!

One thing and only one thing is needful, do not be deceived by the devil into getting too much attached to the things of the world. The devil is so subtle that he get you too busy even with good things and activities of religion, but not that which is needful. You major on the minor and minor on the major, and before you know it you have spent your life on the wrong things and it is too late.

But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou are careful and trouble about many things. But one thing is needful: And Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Luke 10:40-42

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

I will like to emphasise that point-UNDERSTANDING[b][/b]as it is a very important factor.People tend to understand things without the help of the Holy Spirit not knowing that the Scriptures cannot be understood without HIS help

Very informative and educative thread. Im surprised no one paid attention to millzbozz on page 6. Italo,chulwudi,woky and co,i salute you guys. I will show this thread to my genarations. Thank GOD for been a Catholic. The one and true universal church of GOD.

Enigma: ^^ Yep, even the Roman Catholics formally declared one of their own "popes" a heretic; a number of other popes are considered by some Roman Catholics to be heretics.

In any event, many of the Roman Catholic "popes" were worse than perverse and worse than "false prophets". This is a well known historical fact. Even Roman Catholics admit it, Even their Roman Catholic encyclopedia which generally tries to spin and stylishly cover up these things could not deny the perversion of some of the really terrible popes.

It is the province of the brainwashed to think or suggest that only one denomination or organisation does not have "false prophets" especially when undeniable history suggests otherwise, Is a "pope" who was engaging in simony by buying, selling, and re-buying the position of "pope" not a false prophet.

Is a "pope" involved or complicit in the murder of the previous "pope" not a "false prophet"?

ps where do u get ur facts

Enigma:

And about some of the so-called "popes" read up about what is known as Saeculum Obscurum when the "whole "pope" thing was known as the "Pornocracy" ruled by women everyone saw as wh.ores.

I am disappointed at the write up of some pple
do u know scientist have try to prove that man came to de world thro evolution while the bible speaks oda wise

calculusx: Very informative and educative thread. Im surprised no one paid attention to millzbozz on page 6. Italo,chulwudi,woky and co,i salute you guys. I will show this thread to my genarations. Thank GOD for been a Catholic. The one and true universal church of GOD.

come out of this delusion. If ur generation needs anything now, it is the truth not packaged lies. We must correct all those anomalies now so that our generations will be free from this chasm of deceit peddled by the catholic church.

There is nothing meaningful those guys have said so far. They dont even know the word of God(the bible). All they had been saying is only stories. May God help us.

calculusx: Very informative and educative thread. Im surprised no one paid attention to millzbozz on page 6. Italo,chulwudi,woky and co,i salute you guys. I will show this thread to my genarations. Thank GOD for been a Catholic. The one and true universal church of GOD.

come out of this delusion. If ur generation needs anything now, it is the truth not packaged lies. We must correct all those anomalies now so that our generations will be free from this chasm of deceit peddled by the catholic church.

There is nothing meaningful those guys have said so far. They dont even know the word of God(the bible). All they had been saying is only stories. And how do u know that catholic is the one true church. U really amazed me.

italo:

My dear brother, I dont even want to go into whether you are Catholic or not; but your post is filled with horrific misinformation and ignorance about Church history.

I dont even know where to start with you.

Please read and educate yourself, then come back and let's see what you found out.

I simply left you to respond to that, he said he is a catholic, but he must have been learning the history of his church from "awake" magazine of JW.

@Chukwudi44; You have refused to answer the question I directed to you on page 7 of this thread. The last thing you said was somewhat insulting. I'll like to hear what you have to say.

woky: when u ar ready to answer my questions, then we can talk

please call him brother na, he knows clearly that his "church" was founded to aid an adulterous king, yet he remains there, convincing himself that "all join", he has never heard of building on non-solid foundation. His only problem is for you to call him brother, abeg consider am na.

Follow the bible. Focus on the bible.Look on to Jesus Christ alone as author and finisher of your faith,
Read the bible and do what it says and if you can endure to the end, you will make it to heaven.
There are no churches in heaven but the bible, the word of God stands forever (Isaiah 40:.
You will be judged by what the bible says,not what the church says.

Just because one of my crybabies talks of 'non-solid foundation'

"For many years, abominable things have taken place in the chair of Peter, abuses in spiritual matters, translations of the commandments, so that everything here has been wickedly perverted."

And guess what? The statement was only made by a Roman Catholic "pope" i.e. "pope" Adrian VI.

Sability:


Actually, the church cannot be built on a man. The church is built on the truth which is the confession of Peter that Christ is the Son of God .

Matt 16:

18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.”

So it was "confession" that Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom to too abi?

20 more lies are needed to cover one lie.

Ukuts gp: so peter then hand it to catholic

Peter didnt hand anything to Catholic.

The Church Peter presided over is the same one Pope Francis presides over today.

It was only later called "Catholic."

Even if we decide to call it any other name tomorrow, it would still be the same Church.

Just like if I change my name, I'll remain the same person.

calculusx: Very informative and educative thread. Im surprised no one paid attention to millzbozz on page 6. Italo,chulwudi,woky and co,i salute you guys. I will show this thread to my genarations. Thank GOD for been a Catholic. The one and true universal church of GOD.

We dey throway salute too o.

Millzbozz's post contains truths but unfortunately many untruths and inaccuracies...and its so long, I didnt even know how to respond to it.

E.g it wasn't "Prince James" who broke away to Marry another woman; it was King Henry XVI.

Sability:


Actually, the church cannot be built on a man. The church is built on the truth which is the confession of Peter that Christ is the Son of God .

Actually, you are making an important point and many of the "church fathers" agreed with you.

Here is part of a post I made some time ago: https://www.nairaland.com/1083381/apostle-peter-principle-inclusivity-via/3#12755673

On the technical issue of the interpretation of "on this rock . . .", in general at least two approaches can be discerned: (a) the rock is Peter's confession of faith i.e. 'you are the Christ'; or (b) the rock is actually Jesus Christ Himself. In fact Augustine seems to have started with position (a) and later shifted to position (b).

italo:

So it was "confession" that Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom to too abi?

20 more lies are needed to cover one lie.

Yeah, guess what? He also told the "confession" to feed his sheep. This people no go kill me o.

Ukuts gp: come out of this delusion. If ur generation needs anything now, it is the truth not packaged lies. We must correct all those anomalies now so that our generations will be free from this chasm of deceit peddled by the catholic church.

There is nothing meaningful those guys have said so far. They dont even know the word of God(the bible). All they had been saying is only stories. May God help us.

When you opened this thread, you were begging for people to show you the way out of the confusion in Christendom.

We Catholics have offered you the practical solution.

You disagree, yet you have no other solution at hand.

You will continue in your confusion in your 1billion "churches"; we will continue in our certainty in the one true Church.

Another one for my crybaby --- in light of criticisms of the Reformation and the unique English Reformation.

This one even from someone who is an apologist for the Roman Catholic Church denomination.

"For some years before Luther and Calvin there was in the church almost no religion left." (according to him, because the papacy had almost eliminated Christianity)

per "Cardinal" Bellarmine.

adsonstone: @Chukwudi44; You have refused to answer the question I directed to you on page 7 of this thread. The last thing you said was somewhat insulting. I'll like to hear what you have to say.

At least I attempted to answer it.


There's a verifiable unbroken link of Papal succession from St. Peter to Pope Francis.

Jesus did not give a Shepherd to only those who were alive in his day.

Jesus told Peter: "feed my sheep."

I ask you: are you Jesus sheep...and are you being fed by Peter?

Now, can you answer that?

A yes, a propos "confession"

Per Ambrose of Milan, who was a Roman Catholic

"Jesus said to them: Who do men say that I am? Simon Peter answering said, The Christ of God (Lk. ix.20). If it is enough for Paul ‘to know nothing but Christ Jesus and Him crucified,’ (1 Cor. ii.2), what more is to be desired by me than to know Christ? For in this one name is the expression of His Divinity and Incarnation, and faith in His Passion. And accordingly though the other apostles knew, yet Peter answers before the rest, ‘Thou art the Christ the Son of God’...Believe, therefore, as Peter believed, that thou also mayest be blessed, and that thou also mayest deserve to hear, ‘Because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but My Father who is in heaven’...Peter therefore did not wait for the opinion of the people, but produced his own, saying, ‘Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God’: Who ever is, began not to be, nor ceases to be. Great is the grace of Christ, who has imparted almost all His own names to His disciples. ‘I am,’ said He, ‘the light of the world,’ and yet with that very name in which He glories, He favored His disciples, saying, ‘Ye are the light of the world.’ ‘I am the living bread’; and ‘we all are one bread’ (1 Cor. x.17)...Christ is the rock, for ‘they drank of the same spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ’ (1 Cor. x.4); also He denied not to His disciple the grace of this name; that he should be Peter, because he has from the rock (petra) the solidity of constancy, the firmness of faith. Make an effort, therefore, to be a rock! Do not seek the rock outside of yourself, but within yourself! Your rock is your deed, your rock is your mind. Upon this rock your house is built. Your rock is your faith, and faith is the foundation of the Church. If you are a rock, you will be in the Church, because the Church is on a rock. If you are in the Church the gates of hell will not prevail against you...He who has conquered the flesh is a foundation of the Church; and if he cannot equal Peter, he can imitate him."