Is God a solution or the Problem?

This is a very poignant question in the face of all the senseless tragedies , all the unthinkable wonders that Nigerians are confronted with on regular and consistent basis every fortnight or so.

What almost brings tears to my eyes is that no one is asking the right questions.
No one seems to ever get it. Every is pointing fingers at political figures and trading blames.

So far, I have hardly seen anyone point an accusing finger at the Catholic church or the highly flamboyant Fraudster, Rev. Mbaka for the tragic loss of so many innocent lives.
Why?

No one is asking why, people, thousands of people have what seem to be an inexplicable need to worship god in the middle of the night?.

No one is asking why , in this 21st century ,are people still sooo deeply mired in magical thinking, that presumably sane men and women would deprive themselves and their young children, the joy and benefits of a good night's sleep just to attend a night crusade or night vigil, as they call it, organized by a charismatic fraudster of a descrepit religious institution?.

Why does no one ever ask for an audit of all previous mass prayers, mass crusades and night vigils to verify or ascertain it's much touted efficacy in the alleviation of the many ailments of both our personal and national psyches?

In any civilized society, the organizers of this event would have been in police custody answering questions and possibly facing criminal charges for negligent homicide.

In Nigeria?
Well, it must be the will of god.
So lets give thanks to God almighty!

My only regret is I can like your post only once.

But I will add to add here that God is not the problem.
The problem is Ignorance fostered by Illiteracy coupled with Extreme Poverty in the midst of Plenty.

They went to the crusade to save their souls but lost their lives!

nnofaith: They went to the crusade to save their souls but lost their lives!

Yeah.
I wonder if that is a plus or minus in the god-magic-thinking world.

plaetton:

Yeah.
I wonder if that is a plus or minus in the god-magic-thinking world.

A plus. They've gone to a better place: heaven.

Doesn't matter if one of victims recently gave birth to a beautiful kid. The child's now orphaned. To God be the glory.

plaetton:

Yeah.
I wonder if that is a plus or minus in the god-magic-thinking world.

definately a minus.

Mr Atheist first and foremost Very Rev Fr Mbaka was not the priest involved and he is definitely not a fraudster get your facts right.Secondary the stampede was caused by chants of fire which sent panic among the tens of thousands making people to run for cover and in the process tample on others.The same thing could have happened even if it occured in broad daylight or a secular gathering.if you don't believe in God allow those who do to worship him in the way it pleases them.

The event was just a tragic accident,I only resent the politicisation by desperadoes.

plaetton: In any civilized society, the organizers of this event would have been in police custody answering questions and possibly facing criminal charges for negligent homicide.

In Nigeria?
Well, it must be the will of god.
So lets give thanks to God almighty!

Gbaaam!!

chukwudi44: Mr Atheist first and foremost Very Rev Fr Mbaka was not the priest involved and he is definitely not a fraudster get your facts right.Secondary the stampede was caused by chants of fire which sent panic among the tens of thousands making people to run for cover and in the process tample on others.The same thing could have happened even if it occured in broad daylight or a secular gathering.if you don't believe in God allow those who do to worship him in the way it pleases them.

The event was just a tragic accident,I only resent the politicisation by desperadoes.

Its like you dont get the point! Why will god allow people that have come to worship him perish like that?! if they had gone to a musical concert and the tragedy happened one would have understood, but for "christ's sake they went to worship!

your god does work in mysterious ways. he kills people who come to "whoreship" him!

plaetton: Is God a solution or the Problem?

This is a very poignant question in the face of all the senseless tragedies , all the unthinkable wonders that Nigerians are confronted with on regular and consistent basis every fortnight or so.

What almost brings tears to my eyes is that no one is asking the right questions.
No one seems to ever get it. Every is pointing fingers at political figures and trading blames.

So far, I have hardly seen anyone point an accusing finger at the Catholic church or the highly flamboyant Fraudster, Rev. Mbaka for the tragic loss of so many innocent lives.
Why?

No one is asking why, people, thousands of people have what seem to be an inexplicable need to worship god in the middle of the night?.

No one is asking why , in this 21st century ,are people still sooo deeply mired in magical thinking, that presumably sane men and women would deprive themselves and their young children, the joy and benefits of a good night's sleep just to attend a night crusade or night vigil, as they call it, organized by a charismatic fraudster of a descrepit religious institution?.

Why does no one ever ask for an audit of all previous mass prayers, mass crusades and night vigils to verify or ascertain it's much touted efficacy in the alleviation of the many ailments of both our personal and national psyches?

In any civilized society, the organizers of this event would have been in police custody answering questions and possibly facing criminal charges for negligent homicide.

In Nigeria?
Well, it must be the will of god.
So lets give thanks to God almighty!

Can you point out how God comes into this?

chukwudi44: Mr Atheist first and foremost Very Rev Fr Mbaka was not the priest involved and he is definitely not a fraudster get your facts right.Secondary the stampede was caused by chants of fire which sent panic among the tens of thousands making people to run for cover and in the process tample on others.The same thing could have happened even if it occured in broad daylight or a secular gathering.if you don't believe in God allow those who do to worship him in the way it pleases them.

The event was just a tragic accident,I only resent the politicisation by desperadoes.

K.O!

I said this in a previous thread:

One of Gods greatest gifts, aside from the Atonement, is “Free Agency.” We all have it. Unfortunately, we have no control over others, who may impose their agency on us. The influence of others in our lives and the lives of those we love is not God’s acquiescence (acceptance). It is simply His respect for the gift He has given us.

Didn't someone yell "fire"? This person is at fault. Not the organizers. It is the fault of this miscreant(s). Is it not?

texanomaly: I said this in a previous thread:

One of Gods greatest gifts, aside from the Atonement, is “Free Agency.” We all have it. Unfortunately, we have no control over others, who may impose their agency on us. The influence of others in our lives and the lives of those we love is not God’s acquiescence (acceptance). It is simply His respect for the gift He has given us.

Didn't someone yell "fire"? This person is at fault. Not the organizers. It is the fault of this miscreant(s). Is it not?

Everything is man's fault. , and yet christians, including the unfortunate dead, believed that god was the pilot of their fortunes. Do you see the contradiction?

Always a copout for god.
How convenient.

Now imagine if something good or very beneficial had come out of that night vigil for some or all the attendees.
Everyone, including you, madam, would be singing praises to god. Not so?

God seems to be the most slippery escape artist ever known.

He sneaks in to take credit for the good fortunes, and always sneaks out in times of bad fortunes.

In case, you all missed my point on this thread, let me ask it again?

1. What are sane people, including children and infants, doing in the middle of the night instead of a healthy good night's sleep?
What are they looking for in the night that they could not have found in the daytime?

2. All this magical thinking relating to prayers and vigils, haven't we done enough of prayers and vigils to able to look back now to see if there are any benefits at all for the previous efforts?


3. Again, regarding this magical thinking, if they were to worship a god whom they believed to be present, why didn't god forsee and prevent the tragedy from happening?
Where is the miracle? Where is the magic that is expected from magical thinking?

4. Who is going to hold the organizers responsible?

5. Any lessons learnt?

Answer: No. We are way toooo dumb to learn any lessons.

Deep Sight:

Can you point out how God comes into this?

can you read at all??

texanomaly: I said this in a previous thread:

One of Gods greatest gifts, aside from the Atonement, is “Free Agency.” We all have it. Unfortunately, we have no control over others, who may impose their agency on us. The influence of others in our lives and the lives of those we love is not God’s acquiescence (acceptance). It is simply His respect for the gift He has given us.

Didn't someone yell "fire"? This person is at fault. Not the organizers. It is the fault of this miscreant(s). Is it not?

If we have "free agency", then why do people spend a disproportionate amount of their lives praying, supplicating and worshiping a skygod to intervene in their lives for better fortunes?

If man truly have "free agency" then religion should stand redundant and superfluous.
Humans should be seen as the masters of their destiny.
This is something I have emphasized so much.

Do you agree?

When adults drag their children and infants out at night to attend vigils, prayers and what ever to an invisible sky fairy week after week, month after month, year after year, then OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS WRONG somewhere.

One does not need rocket science to figure that out.
Yes, indeed , there are a lot of problems that confront the average Nigerian on a daily basis.

But is the magical fairy God the solution to the numerous problems, or is it a very big part of the problem itself.?

This is what requires critical thought.

texanomaly: I said this in a previous thread:

One of Gods greatest gifts, aside from the Atonement, is “Free Agency.” We all have it. Unfortunately, we have no control over others, who may impose their agency on us. The influence of others in our lives and the lives of those we love is not God’s acquiescence (acceptance). It is simply His respect for the gift He has given us.

Didn't someone yell "fire"? This person is at fault. Not the organizers. It is the fault of this miscreant(s). Is it not?

sure, and every bad thing comes from the devil (through that 'someone'). But where was He when he was needed to protect those who came to worship Him?? Stop defending what is obvious crap..

Something happpened when paul was preaching sommewhere in the bible. A young lad fell from a window, asleep. He died. God raised him up. God does not lead innocent people to die prematurely. There are many things to be taken into account.
Understand what I'm saying.

God is good.
What if paul did not take the lad up and raise him? Will you blame God?
God does not lead people to die in the middle of the night. Every good and perfect gift comes from him. This is a delicaate case to be scrutinized carefully if you really want answers.
It will do no good to blame God for these peoples deaths.

We might as well blame God for the bombing of abortion clinics.

Oh, by the way, India just launched a spacecraft to Mars.

Nigerians are generating megatons of prayer power every hour, but unfortunately, we our scientists/wise men from our ubiquitous churches and bible colleges have not yet figured out how to convert prayer power to usable electricity.

I guess we just need a little more night vigils.

plaetton: When adults drag their children and infants out at night to attend vigils, prayers and what ever to an invisible sky fairy week after week, month after month, year after year, then OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS WRONG somewhere.

One does not need rocket science to figure that out.
Yes, indeed , there are a lot of problems that confront the average Nigerian on a daily basis.

But is the magical fairy God the solution to the numerous problems, or is it a very big part of the problem itself.?

This is what requires critical thought.

the fairy and magical skydaddy doesn't answer prayers. But the living God I serve and know answers prayers and keeps his children. You're generalizing the issue.

"I prayed, God didn't answer me, he doesn't exist.
I claim to serve God, he didn't protect me, he doesn't exist."

^this is not credible thinking.

Joshthefirst: Something happpened when paul was preaching sommewhere in the bible. A young lad fell from a window, asleep. He died. God raised him up. God does not lead innocent people to die prematurely. There are many things to be taken into account.
Understand what I'm saying.

God is good.
What if paul did not take the lad up and raise him? Will you blame God?
God does not lead people to die in the middle of the night. Every good and perfect gift comes from him. This is a delicaate case to be scrutinized carefully if you really want answers.
It will do no good to blame God for these peoples deaths.

We might as well blame God for the bombing of abortion clinics.

I have to tell you, you should not have to comment on every post.
most times your post provide comic relief, and some times, they are just damn annoying.
Your ignorance can be too annoying.

In other words,
shut up.

Joshthefirst: the fairy and magical skydaddy doesn't answer prayers. But the living God I serve and know answers prayers and keeps his children. You're generalizing the issue.

So , your god is different and better than the fairy skydaddy of the dead vigil attendees, huh?

Hhhhmmm.
.......Where have I heard that before?

Joshthefirst: Something happpened when paul was preaching sommewhere in the bible. A young lad fell from a window, asleep. He died. God raised him up. God does not lead innocent people to die prematurely. There are many things to be taken into account.
Understand what I'm saying.

God is good.
What if paul did not take the lad up and raise him? Will you blame God?
God does not lead people to die in the middle of the night. Every good and perfect gift comes from him. This is a delicaate case to be scrutinized carefully if you really want answers.
It will do no good to blame God for these peoples deaths.

We might as well blame God for the bombing of abortion clinics.

but he can lead people to die in broad day light, as in the case of the xmas day bombing in Niger state, for example abi? That aside, where did that 'inspiration' to hold a vigil come from?
So who is to be blamed?

plaetton:

If god doesn't answer your prayers, then why do you pray, mo.ron.?

you call me foolish and you cannot even understand the simple rationale behind that post.

plaetton:

If we have "free agency", then why do people spend a disproportionate amount of their lives praying, supplicating and worshiping a skygod to intervene in their lives for better fortunes?

If man truly have "free agency" then religion should stand redundant and superfluous.
Humans should be seen as the masters of their destiny.
This is something I have emphasized so much.
Do you agree?

To an extent. I'm sure nowhere near where you would be comfortable. I am working on your last post. I will get back to this one.


Ok. Wait. Modify:

I stepped away for a moment. There have been many posts. Let me catch up.
brb

plaetton: Is God a solution or the Problem?

This is a very poignant question in the face of all the senseless tragedies , all the unthinkable wonders that Nigerians are confronted with on regular and consistent basis every fortnight or so.

What almost brings tears to my eyes is that no one is asking the right questions.
No one seems to ever get it. Every is pointing fingers at political figures and trading blames.

So far, I have hardly seen anyone point an accusing finger at the Catholic church or the highly flamboyant Fraudster, Rev. Mbaka for the tragic loss of so many innocent lives.
Why?

No one is asking why, people, thousands of people have what seem to be an inexplicable need to worship god in the middle of the night?.

No one is asking why , in this 21st century ,are people still sooo deeply mired in magical thinking, that presumably sane men and women would deprive themselves and their young children, the joy and benefits of a good night's sleep just to attend a night crusade or night vigil, as they call it, organized by a charismatic fraudster of a descrepit religious institution?.

Why does no one ever ask for an audit of all previous mass prayers, mass crusades and night vigils to verify or ascertain it's much touted efficacy in the alleviation of the many ailments of both our personal and national psyches?

In any civilized society, the organizers of this event would have been in police custody answering questions and possibly facing criminal charges for negligent homicide.

In Nigeria?
Well, it must be the will of god.
So lets give thanks to God almighty!

This is an example of threads that should make the front page.

Good one bro.

nnofaith: They went to the crusade to save their souls but lost their lives!

Hmmm. Thought provoking.

aManFromMars:

A plus. They've gone to a better place: heaven.

Doesn't matter if one of victims recently gave birth to a beautiful kid. The child's now orphaned. To God be the glory.

Lwkmd. Its always a win-win situation. They are alive, Gods grace. Dead, to God be the glory.

plaetton:
Oh, by the way, India just launched a spacecraft to Mars.

Doesn't compare to text sending demons in Nigeria. One day, a Google driverless car will pass by our churches and they'll claim the Devil just drove by.

Happy prisoners. Why go to the moon when HEAVEN is far better?

Deep Sight:

Can you point out how God comes into this?

This wasn't addressed to me but if I may come in, I'll say they went to worship God. He should had at least protected people who came to seek his face.

Joshthefirst: you call me foolish and you cannot even understand the simple rationale behind that post.

Rationale behind your post?. . .Your post and rationale can never be put in the same sentence, no body ever makes sense of anything you write beside mindless drones and deluded indoctrinated people like you. . .You don't even know how to reason at all. all you do is regurgitate religious mantra and cliches that you have been indoctrinated with all the time. . .