mbaemeka:

SirJohn is a liar and his "9-post's-on-NL" accomplice was cut from the same stock. Please bring the other people's experiences or better still go and get your own. I can show you 1001 contradictions in the super-story of SirJohn but it will not convince you because you are blinded to truth.

The healing school has had more than 30,000 physical visitors since it started and has spread from Nigeria to SA to Canada. Nobody is charged a fee to attend and the richest of men have gone there and received healings. So what do they stand to gain in being associated with the scam that occurs there in?

Be objective and let truth rule you. Then re-read SirJohn's lies and you will see them for what they are.

As per who changed position between the claimant and the others it is easy to tell. First of all, tell me how that someone suffered HIV symptoms for 8 years and got tested 13 times in that time frame and all tested positive. Then she visits the HS and doesn't even meet with the Pastor there but somehow she just believes she is healed and then goes to get a test from a hospital that hates the man and would love to prove him a fraud yet she tests negative and lives symptom free for more than a year (without even taking her drugs). Then she disobeys the instructions she is given (she had disobeyed just after getting healed), acts otherwise, gets re-afflicted with the HIV and then comes back to blame the same people she claimed didn't heal her when she should have blamed Jesus.

In all this the "others" asked her for proof of her healing until she said she wasn't healed then they needed to proof again.

You will see that both the claimant and the others switched more positions than a contortionist will. Their testimonies cannot therefore count.

Dragonking:

I noticed how you carefully left out the part that stated how jesus walked through the angry mob that wanted to kill him..so ask yourself, were the mob blind that they couldnt see him when he walked pass them?

Also like i pointed out before, hiding is different from walking about with armed commandoes.

WinsomeX:
Again congrats.
But not many people will agree with you. We use to call BLW, believers that love this world. And they never disappoint, as they could be found competing with those who do not know the Lord in manner of life. In my school the pioneer pastor of BLW left at least three girls pregnant at the last count.

I take exception to the word scandal. Persecution, yes. But not scandal. Scripture records that he went about doing good, not causing scandal. CEC should look elsewhere for justification for their unending scandals and not Jesus. Men of faith obtained good report, they were not known to be causing scandals

As to the distinction btw man of God and preacher, I think what he said is pure balderdash. I am amazed that CE folks have turned it into a quotable quote

There is no gymnastic a man may attempt in ministry, no miracle he works; those who know the true man are those who live with him. Those who know the true Chris are his wife and kids. You do not live with Chris and the above is your own estimation of him as a "man of God". His wife thinks otherwise. His wife thinks he has "inappropriate relationship" with women. That speaks volume. Those who interpreted it as adultery are not far from the mark as the word "adultery" is not acceptable as an accusation in court.

As for crazy instructions, no matter how crazy the instruction they do not break Gods laws. There is no God anywhere that will instruct a man to send his wife abroad for church business, while he lounges in Nigeria. The marriage bed can imperilled and God knows this.

No matter how "man of God" you are, everyone begins as a child of God. There basic Christian character is built. There is no man of "Goding" that can break God's rules!

There is a lot I do not agree with in the PFN but it doesn't justify separation from a body of like minded people. Chris separation from them is his Waterloo. When he falls, he falls alone.

I find it very funny when you resort to this cheap blackmail of destruction or wrath of God because one criticizes Chris. Rubbish. Try another.

If there anyone heading for destruction it would be Chris and his empire. Fortunately, the manner he is handling his divorce case we leave him so messed up... We will all be here. The SirJohn thread ended up justifying the OP after many years; this thread is also waiting.

At the end, like the Kenyan was received to fellowship, rehabilitated and restored to health, we will be waiting for you guys to return to the truth of scripture. We will not condemn you. We will not shame you. We will teach you doctrine; you will learn because your idol, Chris, would have been long gone into oblivion.

trustman:

If your 'truth' about the healing school is so obvious you guys will not be fighting
this thread they way you are doing. The 'truth' will sell itself.

Like a typical WoF devotee or CE member you have failed to react to the main issue.
Clear and concise accounts of what was witnessed were presented, but no corresponding rebuttals from you CE members.

Mind you SirJohn didn’t say he does not believe in divine healing or that some who were at the healing school were not healed. Remember he mentioned the issue of the placebo effect and ‘mind over matter’?

So did he fabricate all that he posted?
Can you PROVIDE EVIDENCE that he is a 419?

Is it true that people who were proclaimed 'healed' at the healing school later died of the same ailments?

Does Pastor Chris want to have us believe that they died of unbelief or that they did not have enough faith to sustain their healing?

On claims of the church is 'growing', Pastor Chris is 'going up', etc other religions, new age teachings, etc may be growing worldwide, does that mean it is sign of God's approval of them?

Dragonking:

I posted two pictures of the two pastor chris using armed men..one using armed men right on top the altar while another one walking around with heavy security and yes it is a fact that your master moves around with armed men..Check the beginning of this thread when bluetooth stated that pastor christ usually moves about with not only his entourage but also with heavy security before he lodges into the hotel in portharcourt for his randy escapades.

Yet you decided to single handedly pick out and justify oyakilome but what will you now say of okotie? What excuse do you want to give for him? I am sure he was in aso rock right?

Stop being a dumb brainwashed jerry curled mofo and smell the truthful breeze of fresh air.

WinsomeX:

Check the essay again and notice I supplied that scripture and another in 2Tim 3 as only places man of God is used. Quoted in isolation, you can use it to justify your doctrine. Quoted in context reveals that Paul was enjoining basic Christian character on Timothy as an example for others to follow.

So the man of God here will either apply to all of God's people or none. I would have requested that you search through Acts or the gospel to find MSN of God. There you will find none. Even the pharisees never called them such.

Dragonking:

1. According to my knowledge of the bible, Peter was always with jesus as i presume that jesus wanted to use peter as the rock upon which he would establish the Church. John was beloved by jesus so it is rational that he of all people will be with jesus. As for james, i believe is due to martyrdom..

None of these men followed jesus in order to act as a body guard.

2. Peter carried the sword with him but it was never the instruction of jesus. Jesus rebuked Peter in

the bible for taking his instructions to utilize a sword

literally. So ask yourself, why would he want them to carry swords if they were not to use them in the first place?

mbaemeka:

You believe the bible is the truth abi? Let it sell itself.



There were many rebuttals but those flew over you. Besides, I wonder what he achieved? He mixed truths with lies to make the dish palatable but I saw through his nonsense.



Will Placebo effect put a smashed femur together? Will Placebo effect make the HIV status change to negative? Will Placebo effect dematerialize cancer, unblock clogged arteries, cause a child suffering from cerebral palsy to begin to walk and act normal?

When you hear him say some were healed you assume 50 people came to the HS abi? NO, 1000s go there including ministers of other churches. The name of Jesus works man! There was a lady who came from Ghana after she had undergone chemo with no significant change after it. The MOG ministered to her but she didn't look like there was a change. He told her sons who brought her to take her back to Ghana ln that coma-like state and that after some days she will get up. Long story short, after a few days her family members thought she was dead and almost fought to get her buried but her son's objected to it. She got up like she had been sleeping. Interestingly, her hair had began regrowing (as it was bald because of the Chemo) and it grew out black hair. The son's said before her Chemo her hair was fully grey. They came back to testify with her after 2-3 years.

What type of mind of matter can do this but the power in the name of Jesus- the one you say you believe in?



He fabricated all he posted by mixing truths with lies and yes he is not a straight person. I mean, someone who only comes on NL to talk about one man and one man only is working on personal vendetta. Nothing else.



Thousands visit the HS regularly. If a man gets healed and does not walk in faith he could get re-afflicted. For the HS to be a fiasco more of the people that go there and get healed should die after getting healed than the one's who stay alive and that is not even close to the case.



What does the word of God say? That's what matters. Someone cannot get healed in an environment where they teach you how sicknesses and diseases have been taken away by God and then after getting healed you go to an environment where you are taught that "healings have ceased, God does not take away sicknesses etc" and expect to remain the same. All Christians have an adversary- the devil, who walks about looking for whom to devour. If he sees any opportunity he will take it all, so we are told to give him no place!



In the City of Ephesus, so mightily grew the word of God and prevailed!!!

Gombs:

Too much conjecture in your writ...and it's appalling. Peter, James and John by virtue of fheir occupation must have been muscular, I almost dropped my tab in epileptic laughter when you said James is due to matyrdom... and Jesus wanted to use Peter as the rock which he'd establish the Church, Peter is not any rock, , what Peter said was the rock on which the church stands. Quit assuming, go study

Gombs: Yet they had swords with them? Where they butchers?

Gombs: So Jesus NEVER knew Peter moved around with a sword? Mind explaining the below bold for me?

[NLT] Luke 22:38 “Look, Lord,” they replied, “we have two swords among us.” “That’s enough,” he said.

If you say Jesus Peter's possession of a sword was never in Jesus' knowledge, explain the above bold for me. Looks to me you are lying, for Jesus never lies.

Now, lets find out if Jesus was talking about the literal swords to be taken? If He meant the literal swords why did He rebuke Peter for using the sword against His enemy?

Matthew 26:52-53: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the
sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

^^Here in this passage, it is evident and jesus stated it clearly that he doesnt need man's protection that if indeed he needed protection he would have called on his father to give him legions of angels.

Jesus never told them to get physical swords and he obviously did not mean the literal sword as he rebuked Peter for using it.

Now, Luke 22:38: And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Look closely and observe that Jesus did not say "the two swords were enough", but said, "It is enough". So if Jesus meant about the literal swords, how could two swords be enough for twelve people if they were going to war or fight an angry mob? And if Jesus meant just two swords were enough then He would be contradicting His own words earlier, where he told all of them should have a sword each!

Gombs: [NLT] Luke 22:49 When the other disciples saw what was about to happen, they exclaimed, “Lord, should we fight? We brought the swords!”


Looks to me you don't have a Bible. Jesus knew of the those swords, infact, John was believed to be with the other, question is, why were they with swords? It's ok if you can't answer...remember I'm not here to convince you, like Jo said, I'm laying facts side by side for posterity sake and others who would be watching and reading, the rest is left for the Holy Spirit

Gombs: Refer to verse 49 above. You still never answer me o...why were they with swords? Were they Sumarai or Ninjas? Or Jesus had no knowledge of their possession of arms yet he knew Judas ws stealing from the bag and was indeed the devil?

mbaemeka:

Stop being an ignorant churl. I don't know Pastor Chris Okotie from Adam besides I don't believe he regularly does that. He did it after making some controversial statement about the Roman catholics and I don't think it is status quo in his services.

Randy escapades in PHC? Why not Lagos or Switzerland? Keep your Hotel fables for someone who knows nothing ok? Or better still beg the girls to come out and expose him.

Joagbaje:

That's not an issue. I picked my point of emphasis for a reason. Security is common sense. We trust in dods protection and we also take physical measures. Jesus took physical measures. Paul took physical measures. But faith is still in God to even make the physical measures work

Proverbs 21:31
The horse is prepared against the day of battle:
but safety is of the Lord.

Psalms 18:34
He teacheth my hands to war,
so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.


Taking physical measures is common sense. But trust must always be in God. In Gods wisdom ,he tells us to take precaution. Those who have armed men are not necessary going to shoot anybody. It's to prevent crime by their presence. Not about trusting in guns. We do have digs in our houses,we lock our doors. Everyone has different enemies which determines your precaution, it is wrong to keep dogs in your house and criticise another for have police .

Dragonking:

There is no need to justify the adulterer called chris..This is just the beginning and definitely he would be exposed..This divorce saga is just the beginning of the end.

Dragonking:

Matthew 26:52-53: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

^^I repeat, here in this passage, it is evident and jesus stated it clearly that he doesnt need man's protection that if indeed he needed protection he would have called on his father to give him legions of angels.

A proclaimed MOG who is suppose to have the so-called almighty power of God yet cant rely on that power of God but that of men is fake and powerless. Nothing more. Your jesus has stated it clearly.

Joagbaje:

Stop being silly, he didn't commit any adultery.

Joagbaje:

Yes of course , he has fulfilled his ministry and He protected himself till he was arrested, death is the next phase. . Paul protected himself , mobilized soldiers for protection (indirectly) he also escape mob by flee a city smuggled in a basket. But when his MINUSTRY was over ,he had a different disposition . He was ready to die.

2 Timothy 4:6-8
For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.



Why didn't Jesus use the power instead of hiding and escaping?

Its a shame that you dont even know and understand your bible stories.

John 8:59: Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Now if you open your mind to the bolded, you will observe that jesus went out of the temple by going through the mist of the angry mob that wanted to kill him and passed by their midst without the angry mob even knowing.

In lame mans language, jesus passed through the angry mob without the mob seeing him or knowing according to this your previous quoted scripture..

^^That is the protection @joagbaje

That is the protection i expect all these MOG to display not by hiring commandos and deadly squads.

Gombs: Oh well!... no need dragging with dragonking... posterity would judge for themselves

Calling Pastor Chris an Adulterer is even Hillarious....I can imagine the smile on his face on those allegations from the media

Dragonking:

He isnt an adulterer, rather he was just having inappropriate relationships with other female members of the church and not his wife..Konji na ba.stard!

Dont worry, more is coming out and definitely it will be too hot for him to handle.

LambanoPeace:

I see how you trying to run away from your idiocy! Change focal point from the bodyguards to adultery! That was a cowardly move bro! But nicely played

LambanoPeace:

I see how you trying to run away from your idiocy! Change focal point from the bodyguards to adultery! That was a cowardly move bro! But nicely played

Hmmmnnn...
Na today?
If they don't talk about bodyguard, they switch to adultery. If that fails, they switch to tithe and seeds. They've been at it since 32AD.
The devil sure have them on a full-time payroll!

Gombs: Divinity at Work in You-Thursday, September 11th.

Pastor Chris

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.(John 10:10).

Everyone born into the world is born with the natural human life. Man, however, is a spirit being and needs the supernatural life to function to his full potentials. That’s the reason Jesus came to give us another kind of life—the God-kind of life. Anyone that has received Jesus as Lord has this life (1 John 5:11). The Apostle John, emphasizing this, declared, “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life…” (1 John 5:13).

Dragonking:

^^Look at this jerry curled eediot..who is changing stance here..I still hold on to my stance and everything is valid. I have asked questions they have not answered. So before you come out to spew trash, think again and read properly.

LambanoPeace:

Why was it again you said Peter was with a sword? Let me assume Jesus wasn't aware even though Gombs proved beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus was fully aware.

jdilight:

Please no one born into this world was born a natural human life. All born into this world were born with Gods life. The gift of God are without repentance. Everyone of us threw the life of God in us away as did Adam.

Dragonking:

Why didnt peter use the sword when the mob wanted to attack jesus in John 8:59? Where were his so-called body guards according to Gombs (Peter, james and john) that jesus had to hide before he walked pass through the mist of the mob?

You will only believe what you want to believe.

Gombs:

Ogbeni answer her/him joor... why was peter with a sword? Was he Sumarai or a gangster? Or butcher? Or suya man?

Gombs:

Ogbeni answer her/him joor... why was peter with a sword? Was he Sumarai or a gangster? Or butcher? Or suya man?

LambanoPeace:

I tire o! DragonKing, it's really fine if you can't or don't want to answer

Gombs:

Really? Why then do we need to get born again if we already came with it? Why then was John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 still very relevant today?

*Addendum*
Why the need for Jesus' famous utterance in John 10:10b - "...I am come that they might have LIFE..."?