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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 8:48am On Jul 02, 2020 |
Maximus69:What will happen to those who choose their course in life? I doubt if you fully grasp his judicial decisions! Don't think it's what the misinformed churchgoers are carrying up and down!Misinformed churchgoer! His judicial decisions is in the bible for everybody to see even most churchgoer don't read this deeds. God's word? If you mean bible as the God's word i think it has done poorly so far. Why did you think we should choose God's word( i.e bible) instead of neuroscience and psychology to help us understand what is happening around us. When we see people behave like animals, greedy and irrational and begin to wonder "what is wrong with their brains?" after seeing the work of God's word in salem, Trier ,Fulda , On oncubi and Succubi e.t.c? He is organizing future inhabitants of a peaceful earth and training them on how to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. You too may like to know them, and i'm sure you'll be moved to join them after seeing what God has done with them.Hmn! This is enticing,so how can i know i'm not making the wrong decision because their are thousands of other stories like that. Their stories also look like a comforting hypnotherapy to shy away from the current problem of this world. It seem interesting, i just want to be absolutely sure i'm making the right decision 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 11:12am On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:Nothing at all. You're alive for now, you will live in the midst of people who are wicked and heartless, you will experience natural disasters directly or indirectly, you will grow old get sick and oldage will eventually lead to your death just like every other human you are seeing now. But there is going to be a reward (gift) for God's friends, because he wants to continue seeing them forever, he will raise them from the dead and give them the antidote of oldage, sickness and death, so that they can continue living as youths forever! Misinformed churchgoer!Well you say "i think" because you've not met the true Christians, so i understood you because i've been in your shoes before! Why did you think we should choose God's word( i.e bible) instead of neuroscience and psychology to help us understand what is happening around us. When we see people behave like animals, greedy and irrational and begin to wonder "what is wrong with their brains?" after seeing the work of God's word in salem, Trier ,Fulda , On oncubi and Succubi e.t.c?You can see literally but if not guided you won't notice certain things that are noteworthy. Hmn! This is enticing,so how can i know i'm not making the wrong decision because their are thousands of other stories like that. FAITH has been described as the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld {Hebrew 11:1} Today you and i are enjoying some things because humans like you and i BELIEVE in what they've never seen before, they worked hard as they keep seeing things that their contemporaries never saw coming. Now you and i can talk with someone in America, watch him life, move from one part of the planet to another within few hours, save as in preserve raw food for months in freezers. All these would sound IMPOSSIBLE to someone living on this same planet 200 year ago! Those are the things humans with vision saw and today it has become a reality. God who created those people who envisaged this now promised something far much greater. YES! I believe in his words because he didn't just promised to make the earth a Paradise, i'm now seeing it working out, as Jehovah's Witnesses (the one and only true Christian group) have eradicated Racism, Politics, Military and some other harmful thoughts in their midst, they're forming one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. If their God now said "don't worry about those ignoring my warnings, they're having their time which is just a taste of what you will enjoy forever, i will wipe them out from the surface of the ground so that you (my friends) can live in peace" Psalms 37:7-11 Of course i believe him! That's what FAITH means! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 12:12pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Maximus69:Well there is no evidence for all you've said except from God's word(bible). Now, my question is "can we trust that God's word(bible)"? Well you say "i think" because you've not met the true Christians, so i understood you because i've been in your shoes before!True christians? Thats fallacious!. Even if their anything like true christian, the underlaying principles you are giving now does not go inline with christianity. So we can say your doctrine is not christianity like therefore you are not a true christian. You can see literally but if not guided you won't notice certain things that are noteworthy.Is that the reason for the failure of God's word to help us know the cause of things happening around us? Ok,what are the things that are noteworthy, i want to be guided, Well i don't have any problem with having faith. Ok, you said "FAITH has been described as the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld". Now, my question is "what should happen to this faith when we behold an evidence in reality and it is not in support of what we hope for?" God who created those people who envisaged this now promised something far much greater.Hmn! How did you know that the book you are quoting is infallible,truthful, and the word of that God? Can we trust that God's word? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Xmuslim: 1:57pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:I disagree. Those adults are ignorant. If they are sure that nothing will happen to them after death as a result of irreligious, most of them will stop indoctrination. I was once in the shoe, so I know how it feels. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Xmuslim: 1:59pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
IMAliyu:I agree 100%. Only a previously very religious person will understand your point |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Xmuslim: 2:11pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc: You can never conclude in a discussion with a jehovah witness. But continue with him, I'm enjoying the back and forth. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 3:25pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:You only need evidence when there is lack of trust, today no one needs evidence from people who are boarding a flight to America when they're moving towards the plane. Because people are used to traveling by air already. So it's you that has not been dealing with our God that needs such evidence, we have lots of it. If only you're willing to know. True christians? Thats fallacious!.Well it's because you're used to the fake and their lies so if you now meet the real even the truth will sound strange to you! Is that the reason for the failure of God's word to help us know the cause of things happening around us?God's word promised a time when monarchy will loose it's grip on power, and people will start to decide by themselves who will rule over them. During the time Daniel was penning down those words, Nebuchadnezzar was king in Babylon and nobody has heard of such a system of rulership before then, not until our time when we now have DEMOCRACY government of the people by the people and for the people! Daniel 2:44 Even Daniel who penned it down was so confused that he asked God "what is the meaning of all these?" But God replied "this message is not for you nor your contemporaries, it's for my servants in the last days, many will read this message but will never get the sense of it but i'll equip my own servants with the spirit of wisdom so that they'll grasp it, as for you o Daniel, go in peace, you will die but i will remember you when the reward for my servants are ready and you will be awakened from among the dead to get your own share!" Daniel 12:8-13 Well i don't have any problem with having faith.You can't grasp how it feels to see something that others around you aren't seeing working out perfectly. My friend, it will always move you into talking to them at least to help them see it. Everything that God promised us is happening exactly as he said, most have taken place in time past, some are happening presently so there is no doubt in the heart of his faithful friends! Hmn! How did you know that the book you are quoting is infallible,truthful, and the word of that God? Well Jehovah promised that at a time when people are becoming difficult to deal with {2Timothy 3:1-5} his own servants will be busy washing away all the traits of evil in their hearts. They will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} and they will love one another just like blood relations {John 13:34-35} today you can't travel to any land where there is no relation of yours and even if there is, you need money for him/her to welcome you hospitably. Yet if the money with you is entizing your life is not safe even in the hands of your relation talkless those who don't know you. But i will follow you to your own village and will be treated as if i'm in my own house without much money, all i just need is locate my spiritual family (Jehovah's Witnesses) period! Mark 10:29-30 So if it's about trust, that has been settled! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 3:29pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Xmuslim: He is asking a reason for my strong faith, and i am responding without imposing my beliefs on him. I'm not pestering him to believe my God neither is he telling me to forgo my faith, so keep following the friendly chat! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Xmuslim: 4:09pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Maximus69:yeah. Thumbs up for you this time |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 4:32pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Xmuslim:What most of you atheists think is that all religious folks are just dogmatic about what we believe. Some of you will say it's fear that's making us to worship, some will even say it's because that's the Religion of our parents. Well i'm not scared of any god, neither am i doing this because of my parents, i was born a Muslim. But when you see people around you been really optimistic about something and they're zealously working towards it, no matter how repulsive you may feel before, something in will move you closer to ascertain if it truly worth the effort! Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "the earth will soon become a Paradise" and so far so good, they are working tirelessly to support this plan. They have disarmed over 8.7 million individuals throughout the earth, this ones have embraced peaceful resolution to all pressing issues, there is no more racism in their midst and their youths are fine examples everywhere you find them. Oh my friend, even if i don't believe in God before, the activities and achievements of the group will not let be discard the existence of that unseen powerful force that's doing this unbelievable things in their midst. I'm sure that's why they're bearing the special name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, they've thoroughly born Witness to the existence of their unseen GOD! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 5:17pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Thumps up for JEHOVAH, the God who gave his worshipers the tongue of the taught ones to speak convincingly! Isaiah 50:4, 54:17 |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 5:20pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Maximus69:Well, if Wilbur and Orville wright did not show us evidence that plane can fly, nobody will believe not to talk of trust them. They are not the first person to work on it, even leonardo davinci( a polymath) failed. So why should we believe the brothers without evidence that plane can fly? So i don't believe in your opinion that "Because people are used to traveling by air already" it is an evidence that plane can fly, that's tautamount to argumentum ad populum Well it's because you're used to the fake and their lies so if you now meet the real even the truth will sound strange to you!Okay So this is what is noteworthy before we can see the reason why God's word fail. Okay
JW and endtime prophecy sha. Well according to your denomination, you predicted that the world will end in 1878,1881,1914,1918,1925,1975 and they all fail. Can we attribute the failure to the word of God or the church? Also you did not answer the last question,What happen to faith when we behold an evidence in reality and it is not in support of what we hope for? Well Jehovah promised that at a time when people are becoming difficult to deal with {2Timothy 3:1-5} his own servants will be busy washing away all the traits of evil in their hearts. They will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} and they will love one another just like blood relations {John 13:34-35} today you can't travel to any land where there is no relation of yours and even if there is, you need money for him/her to welcome you hospitably. Yet if the money with you is entizing your life is not safe even in the hands of your relation talkless those who don't know you. Same happen in other denominations and religion too. Even in celestial(white garment church). All one have to do is locate a celestial church and he/she can live in the male/female room without paying a dime, you might even be fed. Same with buddhist in a monastry Is this is the reason why you think your God and his God's word is true,infallible cause if i want to follow you i have to be absolutely sure it is the right one else i might end up in the not-true christian hell fire, muslim hell, zoroaster's van, hades e.t.c |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 5:25pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 5:29pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
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Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 5:55pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:You didn't get my point on this! What i'm saying is before now can anyone who only speak with the first person who thought of it be convinced that people can travel through air? Does their unbelief stop those who thought of it, or demoralize them from working harder to achieve it? So this is what is noteworthy before we can see the reason why God's word fail.This is not the place where you can make the needed research, you need to be with the true Christians one on one to learn from them what exactly they're teaching face to face and by seeing how it works out! JW and endtime prophecy sha.There has never been a time they prophesied that the world will end, what they were doing is studying God's word to ascertain the unfolding of the prophecies! There is a difference between prophesying and keeping watch for the fulfilment of prophesies. They were acting as watchmen. In those days these watchmen stands on the watchtower day and night keeping an eye on whatever is approaching, of course they may err in declaring to those in the city what they saw from afar, but those in the city will never blame them because they know that's a sign that the watchmen are discharging their duties. For instance, they said something will happen in 1914, most people laughed at them until the first world war came that year. Of course JWs expected something else, but it was evident that they saw something coming upon the world! So that wasn't a prophecy Sir, but God made them like the watchmen always AWAKE on the WATCHTOWER. And we the citizens they're keeping watch for really appreciate their service! Same happen in other denominations and religion too. Even in celestial(white garment church). All one have to do is locate a celestial church and he/she can live in the male/female room without paying a dime, you might even be fed. Same with buddhist in a monastry This is not what i'm saying Sir, of course if any military man finds himself in any country during or after the war, all he needs to do is locate the army barracks in the country where he finds himself, if he's able to identify himself as a friend not foe, he will be treated hospitably. What i'm saying is finding oneself in a place where people don't even have worship centers close to the area, a JW will feel comfortable NOT in our worship center but in the home of his brothers and sisters who have never seen him before! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 6:11pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
honourhim:What is righteousness? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Kobojunkie: 6:37pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
you didn't respond to the questions hr posed though, valid questions too. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by DappaD: 7:05pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc: No chief! I'll call the stricken out exaggerated words. Jehovah's Witnesses in the past attempted to interpret already established inspired prophecies that are in the Bible. They did not invent any new prophecy. The interpretations they made were not inspired/infallible. Interpretations belong only to God(Genesis 40:8 ). Jehovah's Witnesses believe the gift of prophecy/interpretation was done away with, with the completion of the Bible and maturity of the Christians congregation in the 1st century. (1Corinthians 13:8 ) The Bible students did not grasp the real meaning of the already established prophecies laid out in the Bible. But as they continued to study, the understanding was given to them that they were certain things that would take place before the time of the end! And we are ever ready to make adjustments and not keep on clinging to old understanding! Because the light of understanding keeps getting brighter (Proverbs 4:18) |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by DappaD: 7:20pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Jesus' disciples even after interacting with Jesus face to face and engaging in the ministry too did not understand fully all Jesus was preaching to them. On the day Jesus was resurrected from the dead, he appeared to two disciples on the road and began inquiring of them the latest happenings. (They did not recognize him all this while) Luke 24:21 “But we were hoping that this man[Jesus] was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred” Jesus did not abandon them to their fate. Instead he made the understanding clearer for them. Luke 24:25-27 “So he[Jesus] said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.” So it's very necessary for understanding to be made clearer. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 8:31pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
Maximus69:No, So how does it answer my comment; Well there is no evidence for all you've said except from God's word(bible). Now, my question is "can we trust that God's word(bible)"? Why, are they usings things different from language and bible to convey their messages? It seems you don't have an answer to the failure of God's word to help us know the cause of things happening around us ? So no prob There has never been a time they prophesied that the world will end, what they were doing is studying God's word to ascertain the unfolding of the prophecies!Well, this is a website documenting all Watch Tower Society failed The church or God's word? This is not what i'm saying Sir, of course if any military man finds himself in any country during or after the war, all he needs to do is locate the army barracks in the country where he finds himself, if he's able to identify himself as a friend not foe, he will be treated hospitably.That's a nice gesture from the JW in this century,it is worth emulating now though this form of brotherhood also happen in early islam and i don't think they are still practising it. Kudos to you! So how does it answer my comment; How did you know that the book you are quoting is infallible,truthful, and the word of that God? |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 8:41pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
DappaD:Thanks for the contribution and for giving us the easy way out. From your comment, i take that as the failure of the church and not the failure of God's word. Thanks again |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by DappaD: 8:46pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:Stop putting words into my mouth. If you cannot read and understand what I said, your own cup of tea. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by DappaD: 8:53pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:The JW Organization has made mistakes in the past and they admit to doing so. God's people in the past made mistakes. Although there are certain standards everyone must meet, it's when you're expecting perfection that it becomes a problem. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jul 02, 2020 |
iamdannyfc:You can't trust what you don't understand! You can't understand what repels you! And it will always repels you if you're seeing those trusting it as fools. So if you've seen virtuous attributes worth emulating in those trusting it, make friends with them so that you too can begin seeing reasons why they're trusting it! Why, are they usings things different from language and bible to convey their messages?Hmmmmmmmm, well people come to TV to advertise their goods and services, even when the models they're using have never liked their products for once, but on seeing someone people know advertising a product and everyone wants to look like him/her the product becomes best seller. You can only learn better by been in the midst of adherents and seeing how they handle situations otherwise you can't improve by just hearing without seeing how it's done. God's word has not failed, globally people know Jehovah's Witnesses for our orderliness and virtuous deeds, it's the fake that you're using to judge God's word not the original! Well, this is a website documenting all Watch Tower Society failedThere are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians on this planet and JWs are standing out as the one and only true Organization of God, so out there you will hear many derogatory things about the Organization, so if you choose to believe them instead of verifying the benefits adherents are enjoying it's ok! That's a nice gesture from the JW in this century,it is worth emulating now though this form of brotherhood also happen in early islam and i don't think they are still practising it. Kudos to you! Because all other religions trying to imitate the LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating JWs who are practicing what is written in the book have failed just as the book said! Matthew 7:16-18 |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Xmuslim: 5:34am On Jul 03, 2020 |
TATIME:far from your perception. How on earth would I agree with jehovah witness concept of God. I just appreciate the fact that he agreed that it's a friendly discussion. Nevertheless, I like jehovah witness God for not willing to roast people in eternal hell |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 6:36am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Xmuslim: Definitely what most of you guys abhor is the way religionists portray their gods as if people must be intimidated to worship him. But on the contrary, the true God loves everyone equally he only plan to make his special gift of everlasting life for his loyal friends! |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 7:28am On Jul 03, 2020 |
budaatum: Billy Graham said that it's of the devil to to separate religion from politics which is almost like locking up religion at home and we know that it will prevent those con artists from scamming the people of God 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 7:32am On Jul 03, 2020 |
joseph1013: You're stating the very fact |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Nobody: 7:32am On Jul 03, 2020 |
joseph1013: Guy calm down..... |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 9:59am On Jul 03, 2020 |
Maximus69:* Are you saying that all ex-christian don't understand the bible? * Are you saying that all ex-christian don't understand it because they dont read the bible(repel them)? Well i'm making friend with you here, oya make me see the reason why you are trusting it Hmmmmmmmm, well people come to TV to advertise their goods and services, even when the models they're using have never liked their products for once, but on seeing someone people know advertising a product and everyone wants to look like him/her the product becomes best seller. You can only learn better by been in the midst of adherents and seeing how they handle situations otherwise you can't improve by just hearing without seeing how it's done.That a popular person advertise a product does not mean the product is effective,efficient and authentic. We should expect an effective,efficient and authentic product to be a best seller provided the consumers are knowledgeble about it and not because a popular person is advertising it An ineffective,inefficient or inauthentic product that becomes a bestseller is definitely preying on the ignorance of it consumer. There are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians on this planet and JWs are standing out as the one and only true Organization of God, so out there you will hear many derogatory things about the Organization, so if you choose to believe them instead of verifying the benefits adherents are enjoying it's ok!I understand you perfectly,they always try to say derogatery things about other christian group to authenticate their own group. Well, the fact is that you are also guilty of same, the moment you call the other 40,999 group "Not-true christian" because of your alleged true doctrine. So, the failed predictions, The church or God's word? You've said this already You only try authenticating JW using the bible , muslim authenticate Islam using the quoran, Jews use torah, hindu use vedas e.t.c i'm only asking how you know the bible you are quoting is infallible, truthful and God's word before it can warrant any trust. |
Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by iamdannyfc(m): 10:05am On Jul 03, 2020 |
DappaD:I will not do that again |
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