Ifeann:


You don't know me so don't assume you are more widely read than me.

I will floor you anyday in a debate on theology.

I told you the reason why most Muslims, agnostics, atheists and closet atheists(like yourself) have an issue with John. We can go deeper on the topic.

I have evaluated many arguments on the issue that I addressed and gave u my opinion. That it doesn't agree with yours does NOT mean I haven't read any historical and theological material other than the bible as you ignorantly said.

You said,"You cannot protect God's word, GOD DOES IT HIMSELF. It is because MAN has tried to protect what he presumes to be the word of God that he has made a terrible mess of it and in the process introduced fabrications and outright lies."

Can't you see the glaring contraction in this your statement. If you can't see the contradiction then you are not sincerely searching for truth my friend, you have already made up your mind.

vooks:




You know better than Matthew


How did Moses know that God created the earth in 6 days and the exact order of the creation seeing nobody was there?
Is it beyond reason to entertain the idea of them sharing the dreams? Joseph died early and Mary was there up to after Pentecost.


He is the Son of God. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. But let me ask you. Was Jesus existing before his conception? If yes, who was his Father BEFORE conception?

How differently could they have treated him?

How could a rotting corpse with coagulated blood sustain life of Lazarus? Is it scientifically possible? Your brain dies within minutes of breathing your last

Ifeann:


@Vooks . I read your old replies before this one and was wondering why u were fed up with frobel's questions.
After reading this now I know...lol. A smart skeptic will be ashamed that another skeptic asked these questions and I won't even waste anytime to address this.
I actually thought the OP had intelligent questions regarding historical and theological concerns about the bible. I am done with his topic.
I have the moslems to enlighten about their religion of "peace".

shdemidemi:
What makes Christ different and worthy of worship has been defamed by the OP.

The reason we Hope, and the fulcrum of our belief- RESURRECTION- was also refuted

The word of God that leads us to all truth is being debunked as partially correct.

Now, why is the OP still happy to identify with God through Christ?

frosbel:


good, now go back and answer my questions and let us forgive each other for this unwarranted tirade

I want a healthy argument not accusations and insults.

Just assume I am a new believer who wants answers or even a beloved brother who is about to lose his faith. Forget that it is me , Frosbel the nasty, lol.

frosbel:


No original copies exist to validate your claim.

johnydon22:


lmao so i am now an atheist hahahahahahaha... please i am done with u

Hiswordxray:

Exactly. They dated a copy and concluded that the date when that copy was written is the when the book was written- wrong conclution.
For your imformation and since you are feeling proud thinking you are the only one that have gone out the bible to study these things. Their are those who had studied deep than you. You only scrach the surface and jump into stupid conclutions. And the worse thing is that you are even proud of your stupidity.
See, incase you don't know we have doubted, we had done even deeper research and we have concluded the God and the bible is truth. And we are trying to save your precious time.
Believe in the bible and believe in God.

ezme:


The difference is I didn't lie to myself. I admitted no side of the divide had all the answers, and I stopped worrying about it and refrained from discussing religion publicly. I've been where you are standing now, in the end you just end up isolating yourself from others and allowing other people put the devil on you. Nigeria is a religio-centric society, it is not yet ready for your unbelief.

vooks:
1. Do you believe in miracles?

frosbel:


what if I say yes ?

vooks:
We have an eternity of conjecture. Just answer it with reference t the Bible

frosbel:


I have many and many more questions which will increase in complexity once you and your religious cohorts can answer these simple ones below.

Let me repeat them here before you find an excuse to run for your life, lol .

1. Isaiah 7:14 was not referring to Jesus. Read this verse again and then read Isaiah 8:1-4
2. How did Matthew and Luke know that Mary and Joseph dreamed these dreams since dreams are very private experiences.
3. Who was the father of Jesus : God the Father or God the Holy Spirit
4. Why did Jesus's parents and siblings still consider him ordinary despite his miraculous birth, is that not odd.
read , Mark 3:21,John 7:5.
5. If no MAN produced the seed that gave birth to Jesus, where did the 'Y' Chromosome come from ?

frosbel:


Darwins Stepchild wrote:
"Reason is the tool of the Devil that makes us doubt our faith."

“We are hard-wired to need answers. The problem is, when we don’t find a logical answer, we settle for a stupid one. Ritual is what happens when we run out of rational.”~ Dr. Gregory House, M.D.

frosbel:
^^^

Nice start.

I need answers to all the questions so that when there is ample time today I can work on each of them in more detail.

vooks:
Please try and ask sensible questions and I will gladly answer you.
Illogic deserves nothing to illogic
Let me help you become a skeptic
Since you may have extremely limited brains unlike Dawkins, pick one subject, yes just one and then focus on it for at least 21 days. You will be a legend. On Christianity criticism, You can pick Bible authorship, comparative religions, Bible translation, Christian history, philosophy,existentialism,General Relativity,Astronomy and so forth
When you are grown up, you can pick real meat like Greek and Hebrews. Only then are you qualified to aks questions. But as long you are infatuated by things you half understand, you are going nowhere

frosbel:


A key trait of intelligent people is that they will work with you on every level till you peak at a point. The ignorant on the other hand will make excuses for not wanting to work with you on every level and try to pass it off as superior knowledge , when we all know it is their ignorance that has stunted their intellectual faculties and capabilities.

Now go and play with your toys -

vooks:
Except congenial defects are irreversible

johnydon22:

No not only him, we shouldnt wait around for him to do the research and bring his findings cus u and i know we will still disagree with his findings.. why not all of us put our beliefs aside and go into our own truth research instead of just believing it like our parents taught us, then we can compare and contrast our findings. let us seek the truth ourselves.

honourhim:


What is truth?

frosbel:
I want to correct some charges that have been brought against me by many religious people on this forum, suggesting that I am an atheist for debunking their myths and contradictions.

I am not an Atheist.

Of course there is God but I am sincerely beginning to doubt that he is the God of the Christian religion.

I have found out that almost 80% of what I learnt as a Christian is either an outright lie, a frabication or a heavy dose of scripture twisting.

Most of you know how fanatical I was a few years ago , fighting for the trinity , hell fire, Virgin birth etc . Well ever since I embarked on a crash course in bible history , it is only God who has prevented my faith from crashing.

No one who reads the truth will deny that there are fundamental issues with a lot of bible stories and scripture. To suggest otherwise makes one a liar and participant in the misrepresentation of God's truth.

I agree with the overall message of the bible ( for there are many truths therein ) , but I cannot agree that it is word of a God when taken as a whole. This is just plain fallacy. Yes , God through his Spirit speaks to us and agrees with the truths he has revealed without which almost everything will become suspect.

I am still learning and now reading a book titled ' The Authentic Gospel of Jesus ' by late Geza Vermes, Professor Emeritus of Jewish studies at Oxford university. He was a former catholic priest. I am also an avid reader of articles by Bart Ehrmn Professor of Religious studies at the University of North Carolina. Bart was a former Evangelical Pastor.

What I have discovered is shocking and not for the faint hearted.

To be honest , I don't know where my quest and thirst for more knowledge will take me , sometimes I am scared, but this search will continue and my results will be shared wth you my good friends and of course enemies on this forum .

In summary , I am not an atheist and can never be one , not in this life or the next.

I am now an unfundamental thinking believer of Yeshua or Jesus.

Bidam:
nice one vooks i think you are the antidote to frosbel."looks like he is scared wish anony too is here to answer his illogic

frosbel:


is it true that religion shuts down the area of the brain responsible for logic and reason ??

Besides , all Anony will do is his usual circular arguments which usually have no coherent logic or end game other than time wasting and ridicule, lol.

For now all you have is poor old Vooks who has exhausted all his ability

frosbel:


Stop making a fool of yourself and answer the questions I asked. If you say they are silly and simple then answer them in the most intelligent way possible. At least you will be educating me with knowledge and who knows I may even change my current stance.

If you cannot answer the questions , then stop blabbing all over this thread and keep mute.

Bidam:
nice one vooks i think you are the antidote to frosbel."looks like he is scared wish anony too is here to answer his illogic

Jack65:


Is that all you saw? How about his conversion story and the discrepancies ?

vooks:
You can't redeem stupidity in questions with intelligent answers. By God's grace I can only teach you how to think and I have done so.

How was Jesus parents and siblings supposed to treat him? Make shrines for him?
How else would you learn of a dream except another man shared it with you?

The saddest but is intelligence is largely fixed. It is congenial. You can turn to Satanism but I doubt Satan is that stupid to have you for a foot soldier. Look at SonofLucifer and marvel at his brilliance.

davien:
why is it that you resort to insults when you can't convince someone?