johnydon22:
And you did not even read the article because if you did, you wouldn't have pasted it here...this is what it says.[size=16]The claim of Non-theism is true in the sense that there is no God in Buddhism who is a Creator, Judge, or Deity-in-Charge.[/size]

The claim of Non-theism is not completely true because the Buddhist suttas and sutras make reference to all sorts of supernatural beings who inhabit the universe, from ghosts, demi-gods, devas, and brahmās to celestial buddhas and bodhisattvas. it is very clear for all to see now... Even the website you provided agreed Buddhism is non theistic but only argued that the concepts of supernatural entities like we see in buddhism means theism....lmao, this is like saying because someone believes the existence of Witches, means that person is theistic...

And your second link finished the job..here.

"Some definitions required a religion to include belief in the existence of one or more deities; this would classify most expressions of Buddhism as a non-religious since [size=16]it is essentially a non-theistic religion. [/size]………

Now go and wrap your head around the concept of theism, belief in non-human entities is not same as theism..

FOLYKAZE:


A deified God is already personified.

There is no God but that thing that is called God which exist. Therefore God exxist.



God is not a particualr entity but tag given to entities. That entity is God and exist.



This is not just about calling the name or tagging it but attributing any form of worship, reverence and prayer to it. Therefore it is remains God rather than earth.



Are humans not deities?

Are humans not worshipped or seen as divine entity?



Atheist believes in God.


I don die

FOLYKAZE:


I dont have interest in this game of copy and paste with color paintings.

Note the word "in the sense". This in the sense postulate that:

Western Buddhist communities, on the other hand, are often made up of converts who have left a prior theistic belief in an Abrahamic Sky God behind. They often view celestial beings as outdated cultural vestiges which can be safely jettisoned without changing the essential meaning of the Dharma. Western Buddhists are the foremost promulgators of the idea that Buddhism is non-theistic.

This is the reason why asked you to speculate if you mean buddhism as viewed by the west or practised in Asia.

In pure land buddhism, buddha is worshipped and it pratises is theistic

The day you will learn to stop unfounded sterotypes your arguments will become sound and straight..

Buddha is not worshipped as a God just like Catholic revere Mary but not as a God..

Catholics pray to saints and even other christian denominations invoke angels in their prayers. . .Reverance (worship) of a thing does not connote Theism..

I worship my mum, this doesn't make me theisitic or make my mother a deity, it is basically reverance...

Buddhist practises are within the dimension of "Organized Religion" Not Theistic... You still have to go grab what "Theism" really is like i adviced ealier..

Again stop sterotypes, you always murder your argument with it

Weah96:


They would fit my description of Gods. They certainly act like they are, don't they?

krayzieklay:


Your arguments most times can be so annoying. It's like as if I'm hearing a child scratching a metal on a tarred road. Damn!

DeepSight:


Maybe for some people, but no, not for me - indeed I have spent loads of time and back and forth on the very reasons why natural processes as known in the physical world cannot be self existent. A self existent thing cannot decay, for example. It's very existential quality is immanent. It is also logically intangible. These reasons, among others show that nothing physical can be self existent.

The only logical reverse is therefore that that which is self existent is intangible and non physical.

I have often mentioned infinite time as an example of a self existent thing.

johnydon22:
Stop clutching on an already failed argument...

The link is very explicit when it showed Deva means supernatural entities and can also mean a god..

its very clear for all to see...

We are dealing with the BUDDHIST concept of "deva" which is basically they refer to as a non-human entity like wikipedia showed us...

Stop sterotyping... Deva in buddishm doesn't mean God..let me post the definition of Buddhist DEVA again for all..

A deva (देव Sanskrit and Pāli) in Buddhism is one of many different types of non-human beings who share the characteristics of being more powerful, longer-lived, and, in general, much happier than humans, although none of them are worthy of worship
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism)

In Buddhism, Yama ( Sanskrit: ) is a dharmapala (wrathful god) said to judge the dead and preside over the Narakas ("Hells" or "Purgatories" and the cycle of rebirth.

johnydon22:
So do we take it that you believe non-abrahamic God concepts? like Scandanivian Gods, egyptian Gods, sumerian Gods, Igbo Gods? you only disbelieve abrahamic Gods? lets get you clearly

johnydon22:
The day you will learn to stop unfounded sterotypes your arguments will become sound and straight..

Buddha is not worshipped as a God just like Catholic revere Mary but not as a God..

Catholics pray to saints and even other christian denominations invoke angels in their prayers. . .Reverance (worship) of a thing does not connote Theism..

I worship my mum, this doesn't make me theisitic or make my mother a deity, it is basically reverance...

Buddhist practises are within the dimension of "Organized Religion" Not Theistic... You still have to go grab what "Theism" really is like i adviced ealier..

Again stop sterotypes, you always murder your argument with it

In Buddhism, Yama ( Sanskrit: ) is a dharmapala (wrathful god) said to judge the dead and preside over the Narakas ("Hells" or "Purgatories" and the cycle of rebirth.

krayzieklay:


Your arguments most times can be so annoying. It's like as if I'm hearing a child scratching a metal on a tarred road. Damn!

FOLYKAZE:


Pantheistic atheist you are. Not just atheist. That is what you do not want to accept.

I believe somedays, atheism will be synonymous to insanity and psalm 14:1 will be affirmed. It is not an insult but just saying the fact. Because atheism is disbelieve in God existence but God ever exist either as an entity, idea or concept.

basille:
If they fit your description of gods, then don't you think they are gods? and doesn't that void your beliefs?

FOLYKAZE:


Oga stop been foolish. Deva is a God but not in the sense of monotheistic God. This mean it is not a creator being or supreme being as God is depicted in western world.

Deva in Sanskrit is देव and in english mean God. https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=_m&q=%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5

The difference here lies in concept and not word. As the concept remains, it is different only to supreme being or the personified creator in the sense of monotheism.

Let me school you now. I hope you will pay for my service.

This is the gods in buddhism.

1 Yama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama

In Buddhism, Yama ( Sanskrit: ) is a dharmapala (wrathful god) said to judge the dead and preside over the Narakas ("Hells" or "Purgatories" and the cycle of rebirth.

research for the others pls.

Yama the God of Death, Mara the tempter deity....Deva in sanskrit means a god/demigod (Like an angel or something). Brahmā, Asura, Śakra, Yaksha, Sariputta, Tara, Kwan Yin and many other Gods are found in Buddhism. Asura means Demons, naraka (hell) and nirvana (heaven).

johnydon22:
Aaaaw still clutching unto the desperate need to assert Deva in Buddhism means God..lol..

I think i have made it clear enough that "Deva" in BUDDHISM is a non-human entity... And aslo the word Deva can still used as god... Your confusion stems from your sterotype of Buddhist Deva and the Sanskrit word Deva....

And you actually thought you brought up a point..

You forgot to mention that Yama is a Hindu concept from the Hindu canonical text Rigveda. . . It was a wild spread ancient asian belief and in no way a Buddhist concept..


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama people should read and see for themselves..

Weah96:


Those are conventional Gods. I don't believe in any.

theunusualmoon:

....
Before we begin to delve into different denominations.Let us consider the term GOD I.e a higher being. Do you believe this being exists or not? Please give one reason for your answer.

Weah96:
Folykaze, answer me this. A man walks up to you and says that he is a truck driver. Would you ask him if he is a golf club or how a golf club can drive trucks?

krayzieklay:


Your arguments most times can be so annoying. It's like as if I'm hearing a child scratching a metal on a tarred road. Damn!

frank317:


Wow!!! U just described how I feel when I listen to him. And the fact he us so persistent... Gosh.

@Folykaze.
I believe my dogs head is the flying spaghetti monster. So now do you believe flying spaghetti monster exist?

You must believeoooo because saying it doesn't means my dogs head doesn't esist.

Weah96:


No, because I don't consider them as distinct personalities, but as characteristics of the universe and my consciousness. I won't object to the nomenclature though, if you want to call them Gods, then by all means, be my guest.

FOLYKAZE:


The question is simple. Why do you think God does not exist?

I am hitting weah96 because he left the question and throws in Jehovah and Allah.

The christians believe in Jehovah but do not believe in Allah. While both are Gods, and what he is been asked, he nneds to tell us why he disbelieve in God and not just Allah

charlesikhalea:


Have u ever seen God? U re questioning people about what u don't even understand..... If u want people to believe in ur God or Gods or whatever u talking about, show some proof.... U re unequipped for what u re about to go into, anybody that argues with u is doing so out of fun, almost everything that happens in this works can be explained by science, the remaining few will only take time....u keep talking about vegetarians, at least we can see vegetables, ur God can't be seen or felt, bring prove then u n the Op can have a case

basille:
What are your beliefs, i assumed you were an atheist?

Weah96:


The universe created itself through its mother nature and father time.

Weah96:


Anti conventional-theist atheist to be precise. I welcome any discussion in which we discuss some of the "magical" possibilities afforded by the natural universe.

As far as conventional Gods, and visible objects of worship, I believe in none of them.

FOLYKAZE:


Another trash. I have seen the Gods. I can see them clearly at night. I am astrolatrist.


An atheist attests that Ra, an egyptian god exist even on this thread.

So run along
So what evidence are you looking for?

charlesikhalea:


Eh!! Little child, careful with ur words.....like I said only for fun will a person argue with the likes of u...whoever attested to ....... Is not me, so if u have nothing better to do, try getting a life

Eddlad:


And you know this how? Are you talking big bang?(I don't mind an epistle now)

basille:
That settles it then. Do you believe in a non conventional God or "Source of all things" like say consciousness?

FOLYKAZE:


This has nothing to do with the OP.

The OP aked you why you think God does not exist. Provide answer here or further ask him what he mean by God. Answering him thereafter without clarity mean you understand what god is. So I dont understand why you hold unto Jehovah as if it is the only thing thay is god

plaetton:
@Deepsight

Why is it so much easier to speak about a supreme self-existent mystery being than supreme self-existent natural processes that beget all things in the universe?

Lets be honest.
Could it be just mental laziness?