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Hnd-holder:
I am sure that I am on Nairaland not in IRAQ. Can someone call for seize fire?

You guys should just behave - that's all I asked.

Hnd-holder:
are you asking me? you should know better that Today tithing is nothing but stealing by method of interpolation of words from the old testament which Jesus did not approve of.

Please give me the verses where:

(a) Jesus DENOUNCED Tithes the way you guys have been doing

(b) where Jesus ever preached againt TITHES and "did not aprove of"

Hnd-holder:
You will not read but fire, fire ah!
How will your house look like as house wife?

My home is beautiful, restful, musical, and always a warm welcome to my many friends.

I don't "fire" canon balls. If I asked for a dialogue, and all I get in return are lies, hypocritical caterwauls, assertive denials, and vitriols, you guys should prepare for what pilgrim.1 will serve you without charge.

TV01,

TV01:

pilgrim.1 link=topic=272.msg1411281#msg1411281 date=1187620357:
One question, please:

Did TITHING originate with the LEVITICAL priesthood?

No it did not.

But please note the following;

1. Tithing was extant before Abraham and common practice as clearly gleaned from antiquity.
2. Tithing did not originate with Abraham.
3. It was nowhere instituted as a law or commandment with or at the time of Abraham.
Therefore, what was never enacted, can not be abrogated.
4. It was enacted with the Mosaic law and made redundant as part of same, via the Cross.

Please note:

You said - -

1.

TV01:
3. It was nowhere instituted as a law or commandment with or at the time of Abraham.
Therefore, what was never enacted, can not be abrogated.

. . since it CANNOT be abrogated, you still try to contradict your assumptions in the next line:

2.

TV01:
4. It was enacted with the Mosaic law and made redundant as part of same, via the Cross.

Please TV01, we're used to this double-talk. If TITHING did not originate from the LAW, and even YOU acknowledged that it CANNOT be abrogated, why try and make it "redundant" at the same time that it "cannot be abrogated"?


Besides, WHERE did the Bible say that the Cross has made tithing redundant?

pilgrim.1:
Dare me more. . . as again, dare me me!!

_{pilgrim.1 let's out a guffaw that could remove his spine if he heard me!!}

Consider yourself dared!

_{And please ditch the domestic pet, farmyard animal, zoo inmate and wild beast noises! You are in polite company now !}

God bless
TV

TV01:
Consider yourself dared!

_{And please ditch the domestic pet, farmyard animal, zoo inmate and wild beast noises! You are in polite company now !}

I'll note that; and as soon as you deserve it, you'll be served.

Cheers.

pilgrim.1:
I'll note that; and as soon as you deserve it, you'll be served.

Predictable empty boast! Abeg, stick to making wierd animal noises! _{Which would well accompany the scatological bovine waste you've assiduously spread over this thread! Because it's green, do you think its grass? Nonsense !}

TV01:
Predictable empty boast! Abeg, stick to making wierd animal noises! _{Which would well accompany the scatological bovine waste you've assiduously spread over this thread! Because it's green, do you think its grass? Nonsense !}

Hehe. .    I knew it was only a matter of time before you'd cry out to abandon your voodoo. When you're done playing Shark Tales in your neighbourhood, could you be kind enough to address the issues of the thread? And please - no witchcraft from you any further (unless you want to wail again!) 

_{Una never know notin yet! I don't expect anything more than the 'atilogu' dance you guys have been performing when exposed to the WORD!}

To Tithe or Not to Tithe is the topic.
All this empty noise and boast will I refereed to as EMPTY BARRELS
undesirable sound has no other name than NOISE.

How can someone be using DEFENCIVE mechanism to ask questions when there is nothing to offer.
Noise noise noise no single point only questions upon questions, somebody must be tapping points by style.

Nothing to offer.

@Hnd-holder,

If you feel that I've not been making meaningful contributions on the subject or topic of this thread, then please consider the following:

A. My discourse on 1 Corinthians 9:7-14 >>
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1088.html#msg1397081)

Point #1: A. Tithes NOT Abrogated by Law for CHRISTIANS
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1088.html#msg1397085)

Point #2: B   God Does NOT Force TITHES on Anyone Who is Averse To It
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1088.html#msg1397086)

Point #3: C Tithes are not a matter in God's WORD to castigate and besmirch ministers
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1120.html#msg1397094)


B. My discourse arguing the understanding of "the LAW" as applied by the apostles in the New Testament:
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1152.html#msg1410419)

C. I've limited myself to the topic. Also, in answering every single question posed, I've limited my answers to the WORD of God. I appealed that people be honest, fair and respect how they addressed other discussants; as well, try not castigating people who believe in tithing, or ministers who teach God's WORD on the subject:

#1. (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1152.html#msg1410555)

#2. My response to aspersions: "I'll let that pass" - several times!
(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1024.html#msg1340760)

Further, it was my submission that those who have been denouncing TITHES should please provide the verses where God asked them to do so.

And, several times I appealed that if anyone disagreed with what I've been sharing and thought my entries were flawed, they should please DISCUSS and show HOW, WHY and WHERE they feel so:

#1. (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1056.html#msg1346802)

#2. (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1120.html#msg1397764)

#3. (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1120.html#msg1399581)

#4. (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1152.html#msg1410432)

#5. (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1152.html#msg1410739)


Where I disagreed and felt that others were assertively denying what is taught in the WORD of God, I gave answers and pointed out HOW, WHY, and WHERE they did so; as well as limit my answers to verses in the Bible that they denied or otherwise misconstrued for other things.

In all these things, nevermind that it is always the attitude of those in opposition to NEVER answer questions and instead resort to calumny. After having appealed once and again that they desist from such (and they refused to take heed), I made clear that thenceforth I would not be putting up with such attitudes. And it is precisely for that reason that I took a firm stand to challenge such denunciations and did not spare the loose language employed by such antagonists.

I've asked the antagonists (those opposed to tithing) to please show where Scripture asked them to denounce what God has not denounced. Up until now, they have refused to find me the verses where God asked them make such denunciations!

Besides all these, I've asked your dear friend TV01 some pointed questions concerning his assertive denials; requesting that he SHOW me from God's WORD how he could defend those assertions - but as often is the case, he evaded the questions, skirted round them, and finally refused to oblige any answers. He went on to make even more direct and untennable assertions, but every single time I pointed him back to the WORD, he had nothing to say afterwards Nevermind that his latest antics is to spin off frantically and in his desperation try to misrepresent my posts with his duplicity. Please sample the following:

#1. TV01's denial: the Melchizedek priesthood has been REPLACED!

assertive denial: "the Melchizedek type has been replaced bas "another has arisen"

my rebuttals:

(a) "You make assertive denials like the above because you have refused to open
your eyes and read what Scripture clearly declares."
(b) 'The Melchizedek priesthood was not said anywhere in Scripture to have been "replaced" '
(c) 'I'm still interested in the verse you offered for your assertion that the Melchizedek priesthood has been "REPLACED" '
(see also the same appeal repeated offered: 1. here, 2. here)

his follow-up response: "The order remains, Christ is the incumbent."

Notice: TV01 first asserts that the Melchizedek priesthood has been "REPLACED"; and only after incessantly and repeatedly asking him to clear that conundrum did he finally acknowledge that "the order REMAINS"! This is where I further outlined how his untennable assertion emerged: (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.1024.html#msg1341148)


#2. TV01's denial: even if it is voluntary, there's nothing to show that it accrues any benefit

assertive denial:
"I also said as a voluntary action, there is nothing to suggest that it accrues benefits
or marks the tither out as more spiritual/mature or holder of deep revelation. My submission."

my rebuttal:
I simple quoted 2 Cor. 9:10 - "Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread
for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness."

his follow-up response: absolute zilch! (he did not make any remarks thereto).


#3. TV01's denial: No leader/follower in NTC; There is no call for paid ministry in the local congreagation.

assertive denial:
"There is no clergy/laity - leader/follower - split in NTC."

my rebuttal:
I quoted a series of verses for his consideration including: Heb. 13:7, 17 6 24; Php. 1:1; and 1 Tim. 4:14
to point out that there indeed LEADERS raised by God in the Body of Christ!

his follow-up response: absolute zilch! (he did not make any remarks thereto - but instead
went about trying to castigate me on that same point without even trying to discuss it himself).

- - -

assertive denial:
"There is no call for paid ministry in the local congreagation."

my rebuttal:
Same as above - I quoted him 1 Tim. 5:17-18 and 1 Cor. 9:14

his follow-up response: same thing: he did not make any remarks thereto - but instead
went about trying to castigate me on that same point without even trying to discuss it himself.

There are tomes of inconsistencies, doublespeak, assertive denials, decorative farcé, acrid vitriol, and so much garboil coming from the camp of those opposed to tithing. They have had aboslutely nothing tangible to share with others, nor have they even benefitted themselves. Because they feel threatened by their lack of understanding in God's WORD, it is second nature to them to castigate anyone who has anything at all to share on the subject. And not only on this Forum, but anywhere you converse with tithe-opposers, you get the very same thing again and again - they ignore issues and quickly resort to aspersions and vitriol.

Now tell us, from the evidence before you mr. Hnd-holder, who has been making noise other than the antagonists whose dishonest transactions stand out for all to see?

If you guys are going to discuss and be fair and honest in your dealings, we can progress on any topic.

If otherwise you have nothing tangible to share but have turned to the defeatist attitude of seeking to display your disaffection towards others, because you cannot bring yourselves to look into the WORD of God and offer simple straightforward answers, then please yourselves - and do let us know where you stand.

Cheers.

pilgrim.1:
to look into the WORD of God

Cheers.

Please were this words spoken and written down by men? in what language did God spoke?

Dogma seems to be the problem here. You need to know that the Scriptures were in ARAMIC, GREEK, HEBREW languages, while others were orally transmitted translated to the one we understand now. They were kept in a library called Bibli when printing press came they made them into a BOOK call BIBLE.

The words written by men (inspired) for GOD.

No need to debate on the truth, you cannot fight for GOD

Tithing in Nigeria is stealing by method.

Hnd-holder:
Dogma seems to be the problem here. You need to know that the Scriptures were in ARAMIC, GREEK, HEBREW languages, while others were orally transmitted translated to the one we understand now. The were kept in a library called Bibli when printing press came the made them into a BOOK call BIBLE.

Why is it such a colossal task for you guys to check your HEBREW and GREEK texts and let us know what the Bible actually teaches? AT least, you can't deny that the Bible was not translated from English to English! If you're not clear about the meaning of a word, then check the original languages! That's all that pilgrim.1 has offered - and up until NOW, you guys have found that simple challenge your death knell! WHY?

Hnd-holder:
The words written by men (inspired) for GOD.

No need to debate on the truth, you cannot fight for GOD

Was that song for your Grail camp - or it was supposed to be the balm for your tithe-opposing gang?

Hnd-holder:
Tithing in Nigeria is stealing by method.

I just want you to produce the verse that helps you denounce TITHES. That's all.

Defencieve mechanism displayed again

Hnd-holder:
Defencieve mechanism displayed again

You're becoming weaker in your evasion. If you're refusing to take on my simple challenges, is t not obvious you're the one employing "defensive mechanism" while crying out against it at the same time yet?

Hugs, Hnd-holder. Hugs.

I confess that I let myself be driven to react passionately by the feedbacks you guys offered.

I cannot make promises to ignore them. . . hehe, but I go try my best!

Cheers and much love!

Tithes
(Anglo-Saxon teotha, a tenth).

Generally defined as "the tenth part of the increase arising from the profits of land and stock, allotted to the clergy for their support or devoted to religious or charitable uses". A more radical definition is "the tenth part of all fruits and profits justly acquired, owed to God in recognition of his supreme dominion over man, and to be paid to the ministers of the church".

The custom of giving tithes reaches back into unknown antiquity.

It is mentioned in Genesis 14, without anything to indicate that it was something newly instituted.
Just as Abraham is there represented as offering tithes of the spoils of the enemy to the royal priest, Melchisedech, so in Genesis 28, Jacob is recorded as giving a tithe of all his possessions to the Lord.

Under the Mosaic Law the payment of tithes was made obligatory.

The Hebrews are commanded to offer to God the tenth part of the produce of the fields, of the fruits of the trees, and the firstborn of oxen and of sheep (Leviticus 27:30; Deuteronomy 14:22).
In Deuteronomy there is a mention not only of an annual tithe, but also of a full tithe to be paid once every three years. While it was to God Himself that the tithes had to be paid, yet we read (Numbers 18:21) that He transfers them to His sacred ministers: "I have given to the sons of Levi all the tithes of Israel for a possession, for the ministry wherewith they serve me in the tabernacle of the covenant.

" In paying the tithe, the Hebrews divided the annual harvest into ten parts, one of which was given to the Levites after the first-fruits had been subtracted. This was partitioned by them among the priests. The remainder of the harvest was then divided into ten new parts, and a second tithe was carried by the head of the household to the sanctuary to serve as a sacred feast for his family and the Levites.

If the journey to the temple was unusually long, money could be substituted for the offering in kind. At the triennial tithe, a third decimation was made and a tenth part was consumed at home by the householder with his family, the Levites, strangers, and the poor. This triennial year was called the year of tithes (Deuteronomy 26:12).

As the tithes were the main support of the priests, it was later ordained that the offerings should be stored in the temple (2 Chronicles 31:11). It is to be noted that the custom of paying sacred tithes was not peculiar to the Israelites, but common to all ancient peoples. In Lydia a tithe of cattle was offered to the gods; the Arabians paid a tithe of incense to the god Sabis; and the Carthaginians brought tithes to Melkarth, the god of Tyre. The explanation of why the tenth part should have been chosen among so many different peoples is said to be (apart from a common primitive revelation) that mystical signification of the number ten, viz., that it signifies totality, for it contains all the numbers that make up the numerical system, and indeed all imaginable series of numbers, and so it represents all kinds of property, which is a gift of God. All species of property were consequently reckoned in decades, and by consecrating one of these parts to God, the proprietor recognized the Source of his goods.

However, the payment of tithes was also a civil custom. They were payable to the Hebrew kings and to the rulers of Babylon, and they are mentioned among the Persians, Greeks, Romans, and later the Mohammedans.

In the Christian Church, as those who serve the altar should live by the altar (1 Corinthians 9:13), provision of some kind had necessarily to be made for the sacred ministers.

In the beginning this was supplied by the spontaneous offerings of the faithful. In the course of time, however, as the Church expanded and various institutions arose, it became necessary to make laws which would insure the proper and permanent support of the clergy.

The payment of tithes was adopted from the Old Law, and early writers speak of it as a divine ordinance and an obligation of conscience. The earliest positive legislation on the subject seems to be contained in the letter of the bishops assembled at Tours in 567 and the canons of the Council of Maçon in 585. In course of time, we find the payment of tithes made obligatory by ecclesiastical enactments in all the countries of christendom.
The Church looked on this payment as "of divine law, since tithes were instituted not by man but by the Lord Himself" (C. 14, X de decim. III, 30). As regards the civil power, the Christian Roman emperors granted the right to churches of retaining a portion of the produce of certain lands, but the earliest instance of the enforcement of the payment of ecclesiastical tithes by civil law is to be found in the capitularies of Charlemagne, at the end of the eighth century.

English law very early recognized the tithe, as in the reigns of Athelstan, Edgar, and Canute before the Norman Conquest. In English statute law proper, however, the first mention of tithes is to be found in the Statute of Westminister of 1285.

Tithes are of three kinds: predial, or that derived from the annual crops; mixed, or what arises from things nourished by the land, as cattle, milk, cheese, wool; and personal or the result of industry or occupation.
Predial tithes were generally called great tithes, and mixed and personal tithes, small tithes. Natural substances having no annual increase are not tithable, nor are wild animals. When property is inherited or donated, it is not subject to the law of tithes, but its natural increase is. There are many exempted from the paying of tithes: spiritual corporations, the owners of uncultivated lands, those who have acquired lawful prescription, or have obtained a legal renunciation, or received a privilege from the pope.

At first, the tithe was payable to the bishop, but later the right passed by common law to parish priests.

Abuses soon crept in.

The right to receive tithes was granted to princes and nobles, even hereditarily, by ecclesiastics in return for protection or eminent services, and this species of impropriation became so intolerable that the Third Council of Lateran (1179) decreed that no alienation of tithes to laymen was permissible without the consent of the pope. In the time of Gregory VIII, a so-called Saladin tithe was instituted, which was payable by all who did not take part personally in the crusade to recover the Holy Land.

At the present time, in most countries where some species of tithes still exist, as in England (for the Established Church), in Austria, and Germany, the payment has been changed into a rent-charge.
In English-speaking countries generally, as far as Catholics are concerned, the clergy receive no tithes. As a consequence, other means have had to be adopted to support the clergy and maintain the ecclesiastical institutions and to substitute other equivalent payments in lieu of tithes.
Soglia (Institut, Canon, II, 12) says "The law of tithes can never be abrogated by prescription or custom, if the ministers of the Church have no suitable and sufficient provision from other sources; because then the natural and divine law, which can neither be abrogated not antiquate, commands that the tithe be paid." In some parts of Canada, the tithe is still recognized by civil law, and the Fourth Council of Quebec (1868) declared that its payment is binding in conscience of the faithful.

From Advent.

Come let us look at it do people pay exact 10% of their income?

Lay Tithes
(1) secular tithes, which subjects on crown-estates were obliged to pay to princes, or tenants, or vassals on leased lands or lands held in fief to their landlords (decimæ origine laicales).

(2) ecclesiastical tithes, which in the course of time became alienated from the Church to lay proprietors (decimæ ex post laicales s. sæcularizatæ). There is question here only of the latter. In the secularizations initiated under the Merovingians the transference of ecclesiastical property and their tithes or of the tithes alone to laymen was effected. In subsequent times church lands with their tithes, or the tithes alone, were bestowed even by bishops and abbots on laymen to secure servants, vassals, protectors against violence and defenders of their civil rights.
Other church property with tithes, or the tithes alone, were forcibly seized by laymen. Finally, the development of churches, once the property of private individuals, into parish churches subject to the bishop gave rise to the landlord appropriating the tithes due to the parish church. The church soon took measures to repress this spoliation, beginning as early as the ninth century at the Synod of Diedenhofen (844; cap. iii, 5) and that of Beauvais (845; cap. iii, 6). Gregory VII revived in a stricter form these old canons at the Autumn Synod of 1078, demanding that the laity should return all tithes to the Church, even though they had been given them by bishops, kings, or other persons, and declared all who refused obedience to be sacrilegi (C. 1, C. XVI, q. 7). Succeeding popes and synods repeated this order, declaring that Church tithes to be iuris divini (C. 14, X, de decim., III, 30); that, as the inalienable source of income of the parish church, they could not be transferred to another church or monastery (C. 30, X, de decim., III,30); that they could not be acquired by a layman through prescription or inheritance, or otherwise alienated.

But it was quite impossible for the Church to recover the tithes possessed for centuries by laymen, to whom in fact they had been in many cases transferred by the Church itself. Laymen gave then, in preference to the monastery instead of the parish church, but this became thenceforth subject to the approval of the bishop (C. 3, X, do privil., III 33). The decision of the Lateran Council (1179), forbidding the alienation of the church tithes possessed by the laity, and demanding their return to the Church (C. 19, X. de decim., III, 30) was interpreted to mean that, those ecclesiastical tithes, which up to the time of this council were in possession of 1aymen, might be retained by them, but no further transference should take place (C. 25, X, de decim., III, 30, c. 2, A in Vito, h.t., III, 13). But even this cou1d not be carried out. There thus existed side by side with church tithes a quantity of lay tithes; the latter were dealt. with by secular courts as being purely secular rights, while ecclesiastical law was applied to ecclesiastical tithes. However, certain, of the obligations imposed by the (once) ecclesiastical tithes continued to bind the proprietor, even though he were a layman. Thus in the case of church buildings the Council of Trent declared that patrons and all "qui fructus aliquos ex dictis ecclesiis provenientes percipiunt" were bound secondarily to defray the cost of repair (Sess. XXI, De ref., c. vii; see FABRICA ECCLESLE). When there is a doubt as to whether the tithes in quetion are ecclesiatical or lay, the reasonable presumption is that they are ecclesiastical.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09095b.htm

I remember in time past when preaching was based purely on salvation. Not any more. Now all emphasis is on Tithe. Frankly, take money away from church, I tell you, there will be no church.

Those that work by the alter must feed by the alter that is what we know today.

let them continue to feed by the altar, i wonder if there is any altar in heaven?

read Malachi 3:10 then read Malachi 4:4 to know who was told to do it. (we are not under the law of Moses. we are under the law of Christ) We are not committing sins if you like to tithe, but if you are a gentile if believe your not either sinning if you don't as long as you cheerfully give. God loves a cheerful giver. He hates robbers and stingy person.

mONEY! mONEY!! Money!!!

Scriptural Proof That God Commands Tithing
Malachi 3
"All the tithe of the land, seed of the land, or fruit of the trees is the Lord's and is holy unto the Lord"(to be set aside for Him and His work). The Lord said this in Lev. 27: 30-32. God says again in Deut. 12:11, "Then there shall be a place which the Lord your God shall choose to cause His Name to dwell there: there shall you bring all that I COMMAND you: your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your land, and all your choice vows which you vow unto the Lord." In Deut. 26: 12-13, God says again that after a person tithes all his increase the third year and has given it to all that God COMMAND it to be given, that you have obeyed His commandments, and have not transgressed them. This teaches that it is a sin if you don't tithe. Here God states His will and His law by His Word, that if a person has tithed all from his increase, he has not sinned, transgressed God's law.
God reaffirms His tithing commandment by saying to the Levites and the whole nation that they have robbed (stolen) from God by not setting aside His tithes and offerings, Mal.3:8--"Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me. But you say wherein have we robbed you (by teaching there is no scriptural proof that tithing is a law? You have robbed me in tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse: for you have robbed me, even this whole nation. This sinful act not only breaks God's tithing commandment but it also breaks God's 8th commandment-- "You shall not steal."
In the New Testament what did Jesus Christ say about tithing in Mat 23:23--Did He reaffirm His tithing command by saying tithing was not to left undone, meaning the tithing commandment was to be kept and obeyed.
Even though most all of the Israelites didn't obey God, they still became an example and a witness in failure, to all the world and written down for our instruction and admonition. Study I Cor. 10:1-12. Are the churches of God today being witnesses in failure by not obeying God's true commandments?
Worship God with tithes (vv. 8-10).
The people claimed ignorance when the prophet delivered God’s Word that they had gone away from His ordinances and had not kept them. The prophet picked a part of their spiritual defection that was very visible and undeniable: they had “robbed” God. How is it possible to “rob God?” The people had been blessed by God and, when commanded to give tithes from God’s blessings, had withheld what did not belong to them — this was constituted as robbery.
Do you remember the principles of stewardship? God owns it all, He gives it to us as stewards who must give an account, He asks for us to tithe as the beginning point for giving, and we use the rest for His glory and our good. A person who does not tithe is either ignorant of God’s commands, disobedient of God’s commands, or ungrateful of God’s blessings. God challenges man to prove or try Him in the area of finances — when obedient from a righteous heart, God promises to bless and protect him.
We worship the Lord appropriately by obediently giving to Him our tithes to advance the work of His church.

Someone said, “We are all manufacturers in a way—making good, making trouble, or making excuses.” And there is no greater area where excuses show up than when you bring up tithing. There are so many empty excuses when it comes to tithing. “My dog ate my tithe.” Sorry, that’s about homework, wasn’t it? “I can’t tithe because I have to take care of my family.” “I can’t tithe because I need to save for retirement.” “Tithing is under the Old Testament law. We are under grace and we don’t have to tithe.” “Tithing doesn’t make any sense to me. There is no way 90% after tithing is more than 100% not tithing.” “I am already in financial problems and you say I need to tithe. I can’t afford to tithe.” “If I had more money I would tithe.” “I give to other worthy causes, so I don’t have to tithe to my church.”

Tithing is a great place to start, but it is a terrible place to stop.

Scriptural Proof ?That God Commands Tithing ? or lack of tithe knowledge because money is involved? Ah! God will not encourage stealing by method.

God don't need your money
In the beginning, church had all things in common
People gave all they had not 10% and everyone had as much as he NEEDED. Some form of socialism if u ask me .

As Christ gave is all for the church to be birthed,
The church(members) must aspire to give all(not just money) for their brothers in need and for the expansion of the gospel, not because we want the floodgates of pounds, DOLLARS etc, to be open but just because we love God.

God don't need your money

He he he

This matter no go end.

Give oo! my pipu GIVE!

_bami:
God don't need your money

But your pastor does

hehehehehe.

If people didn't give money as tithes, then there wouldn't be as much corporation churches in Nigeria as there are now.

I was shocked when I was first given an inkling that tithing isn't sound, New Testament-wise. I'd been conditioned to believe I had to pay tithe or God wouldn't bless me. It simply isn't true. Give what comes from your heart to give, what you are absolutely willing and perfectly happy to give, and not only to churches but to others as well, who need help. We're not required to tithe.