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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by semitunde: 1:36pm On Jan 14, 2016
Alphaoscar:









You mean government should look the other way while a whopping $2.2b develop wings?

did you ever think how far that money will go in actualizing all those things you want government to divert their attention to?



What if this current administration also divert such money meant for power , housing, health , education etc because nobody will have time to probe them?

Let whoever is found wanting face the music and let's keep sentiment aside.

One day they say

" focus on other things and reduce the focus and energy poured into the anti corruption drive, just get the guys, we don't have to make the process a media focus";

(As if the DSA and EFCC are the only two govt agencies and ministry working. As if other ministers have all been commenting and working on the armsgate. As if stopping the media from covering whatever story won't be seen,by the same deluded set of people, as gagging the press.)

while on another day they would say " why shroud things in secrecy, follow due process, we want to know what goes on step by step! The government has to be transparent!"

undecided

Confused and illogical lot.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by mickeymon(m): 1:39pm On Jan 14, 2016
The truth is that Nigerians are gullible to the point that anything the propagandist cooked they swallow without asking view point questions. Why can't DSs or fg charge dasusi to court so that the rule of law will take its course. When u want to throw away rule of law in other to look as if ur working, that very dangerous because the principle of fair hearing isn't followed. I'm not say that those arrested are clean but we have to do it within the ambit of the law. We are people governed by laws not by men. The purpose of the prosecution as well as that of the court is to find the truth. But in this arms deals case it wasn't like that because the prosecutor is now a persecutor using propaganda n media lies to pronounce the accused guilty even before charging them to court. I think that is the highest level of corruption. U can't corrupt the law of the land and the constitution just to achieve a singular purpose.
The rule of law first or we are doom.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by drss(m): 1:45pm On Jan 14, 2016
joseph1832:
Yes, his conclusion, and by what way is his conclusion a standard truth or fact?.
snailspeed's post is his personal opinion. u can choose to agree or disagree with it.
As for me, i totally agree with it.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by neocortex: 1:48pm On Jan 14, 2016
bettercreature:
Nigerian youth and their senseless attitude,instead of holding massive protest to call for death sentence for the looters,they are on here defending corrupt officials
Black people with black brain meanwhile chinas ex-prime minister yesterday sentenced to 15yrs in prision and his accomplices sent to life imprisionment for bribery and corruption

How do you know someone is a looter ?
Because Buhari say so ?
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by ejiinii: 1:49pm On Jan 14, 2016
joseph1832:
I believe the governors standing trials for cases of corruption weren't dealing with matters as delicate and important as national security.

What do you mean by delicate and national security

That's why we are saying its a media trial and propaganda

You can see how the op is struggling to make a point with the post that's how efcc is struggling too making buhari look like 21st century tyrant
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by suxkill: 1:51pm On Jan 14, 2016
Koleman:
you forgot to add one more thing. *BUY Rope*



Keep the rope for your self dude!
It will be important to you one day.guess you.know one of Buhari trekkers has hung himself.

Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by akinsbaba2015: 1:55pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
we wailers ar not asking for dasuki trial to be stopped just because he worked under GEJ. all we ar asking is for d rule of law to prevail n dasuki be giving fair hearing. let d courts be allowed to do their jobs instead of playing judge n jury through media trial n propaganda.
According to media propaganda, dasuki embezzled $2 billion arms deal, but in court he was charged with N13 billion missappropriation, a far cry from $2 billion. some pipul like former govs ar standing trial for sums as high as N80 billion, but they ar not subjected into vicious media trial like d case of dasuki. Does dat makes sense?
. Can you please quote any reputable media outfit who reported that DASUKI embezzled $2billion? What's been in the public are alleged cases of financial misappropriation. The public has a right to know what the government is doing or what it has failed to do. Calling it propaganda & media trial is entirely subjective. What is admissible in law are the facts (by the prosecution) to prove that Sambo Dasuki & others violated the extant laws and constitution of Nigeria.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by Koleman(m): 2:14pm On Jan 14, 2016
suxkill:




Keep the rope for your self dude!
It will be important to you one day.guess you.know one of Buhari trekkers has hung himself.
hurry now cos 2019 is still far
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by Amya(f): 2:14pm On Jan 14, 2016
joseph1832:
I believe the governors standing trials for cases of corruption weren't dealing with matters as delicate and important as national security.

Factor in the sentiments, and the propaganda factor will be complete.
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by drss(m): 2:15pm On Jan 14, 2016
joseph1832:
I believe the governors standing trials for cases of corruption weren't dealing with matters as delicate and important as national security.
national security is d blanket cover used by buari govt to wip up public sentiments. If dasuki never bought weapons for d army, wat weapons ar d soldiers currently using to prosecute d war in north east since may29 last year, buari has not bought a single arm for d military, which arms ar d soldiers currently using Who bought dem

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by akinsbaba2015: 2:28pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
national security is d blanket cover used by buari govt to wip up public sentiments. If dasuki never bought weapons for d army, wat weapons ar d soldiers currently using to prosecute d war in north east since may29 last year, buari has not bought a single arm for d military, which arms ar d soldiers currently using Who bought dem
. The present government is talking about probity, accountability, transparency and zero tolerance for corruption. Was anyone aware of the $9.3million dollars for arms purchase ferried to South Africa in 2014 until the money was seized by the SA government? That's where the media comes in, they must inform the public about everything while giving all sides the opportunity to air their views on pressing national issues.
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by suxkill: 2:34pm On Jan 14, 2016
Koleman:
hurry now cos 2019 is still far


Just heed to my advice dude!
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by drss(m): 2:34pm On Jan 14, 2016
akinsbaba2015:
. The present government is talking about probity, accountability, transparency and zero tolerance for corruption. Was anyone aware of the $9.3million dollars for arms purchase ferried to South Africa in 2014 until the money was seized by the SA government? That's where the media comes in, they must inform the public about everything while giving all sides the opportunity to air their views on pressing national issues.
a govt of accountability n probity disobeying courts oders any govt dat disrespects arms of govt is a tyrranitical govt.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by AmazonKindle: 2:35pm On Jan 14, 2016
EbukaFran:


Calling your fellow IPOB youth

Nigeria will rise above corruption whether you like it or not
it is not possible for 1 person to swallow that money.....considering that APC is a lieing party they have spice it up
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by AmazonKindle: 2:37pm On Jan 14, 2016
akinsbaba2015:
. Can you please quote any reputable media outfit who reported that DASUKI embezzled $2billion? What's been in the public are alleged cases of financial misappropriation. The public has a right to know what the government is doing or what it has failed to do. Calling it propaganda & media trial is entirely subjective. What is admissible in law are the facts (by the prosecution) to prove that Sambo Dasuki & others violated the extant laws and constitution of Nigeria.
example is the thread you are reading....
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by AmazonKindle: 2:39pm On Jan 14, 2016
Amya:


Factor in the sentiments, and the propaganda factor will be complete.
boko haram started in obj days what stop the probing not to start from there if security is so sentimental
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by joseph1832(m): 2:48pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
national security is d blanket cover used by buari govt to wip up public sentiments. If dasuki never bought weapons for d army, wat weapons ar d soldiers currently using to prosecute d war in north east since may29 last year, buari has not bought a single arm for d military, which arms ar d soldiers currently using Who bought dem
Oh so you're saying the weapons the soldiers are currently using was bought by Dasuki? When we actually watched videos of Boko Haram making a constant mockery of our military? When we all constantly heard members of the army shout that they don't have arms, when we even heard the story of how some army men mutiny against their C.O because of no arms?

So brother what on earth are you saying? Or you want to tell me all this is another media propaganda?

And Just how did you know PMB didn't buy any single arms and ammunition for the army? Are you privy to some information we aren't?

drss:
snailspeed's post is his personal opinion. u can choose to agree or disagree with it.
As for me, i totally agree with it.
Exactly, since you choose to accept it, I don't!!!.
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by akinsbaba2015: 2:49pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
a govt of accountability n probity disobeying courts oders any govt dat disrespects arms of govt is a tyrranitical govt.
. Well that's your opinion but the last time I checked majority of those who perfected their bail conditions are cooling off in their homes warming up for the commencement of their trial in court. Akpobolokemi has been charged to court today making it the third different case on which he's been charged to court. The prosecution is also prepared to charge them to several courts depending on the gravity of the alleged offences. There is nothing absolute about the "rule of law" and that's why the law is interpreted differently by lawyers and judges.
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by drss(m): 2:55pm On Jan 14, 2016
akinsbaba2015:
. Well that's your opinion but the last time I checked majority of those who perfected their bail conditions are cooling off in their homes warming up for the commencement of their trial in court. Akpobolokemi has been charged to court today making it the third different case on which he's been charged to court. The prosecution is also prepared to charge them to several courts depending on the gravity of the alleged offences. There is nothing absolute about the "rule of law" and that's why the law is interpreted differently by lawyers and judges.
dat is why d fight against corruption will continue to be a joke.
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by drss(m): 3:01pm On Jan 14, 2016
joseph1832:
Oh so you're saying the weapons the soldiers are currently using was bought by Dasuki? When we actually watched videos of Boko Haram making a constant mockery of our military? When we all constantly heard members of the army shout that they don't have arms, when we even heard the story of how some army men mutiny against their C.O because of no arms?

So brother what on earth are you saying? Or you want to tell me all this is another media propaganda?

And Just how did you know PMB didn't buy any single arms and ammunition for the army? Are you privy to some information we aren't?
see d problem u refused to believe dat dasuki bought weapons but u want me to believe dat buari bought weapons. See wat propaganda being promoted by dis govt is causing how do u seperate d facts from d lies when media houses ar being used as tools of misinformation n brainwashing by APC govt
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by akinsbaba2015: 3:02pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
dat is why d fight against corruption will continue to be a joke.
. To you it's a joke but not to those are coming to court on wheelchairs and walking sticks. It's not childs play to those who were bailed in the sum of N600million(father & son) for an alleged crime of N300million.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by akinsbaba2015: 3:04pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
see d problem u refused to believe dat dasuki bought weapons but u want me to believe dat buari bought weapons. See wat propaganda being promoted by dis govt is causing how do u seperate d facts from d lies when media houses ar being used as tools of misinformation n brainwashing by APC govt
. Did Dasuki also tell you in private that he bought weapons? May be you have a superior view to media practitioners.
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by Ttalk: 3:14pm On Jan 14, 2016
TyrantInAsoRock:




Clap for ur sef u try

Sambo didn't purchase weapon but the army push back bh with bare hands even buhari defeated bh technically with bare hands
When stomach becomes brain this is inevitable


Keep it up December will soon be here u can join ur co rice-tivists in "Aisha rice summit"

Should we call some Nigerian dead brain or what?

That Jonathan government pushed the BH back toward the end of his tenure, so?
That Buhari technically defeated BH without purchase of Arms, so?

What does that tells you? It simply mean that the fight against BH was perpetually exaggerated by the previous government and only create an avenue for the government to siphon our money for personal purposes while allowing the monster to fester like a wild fire. For Buhari to recapture towns and villages under control of BH should tell you that Jonathan government could have wiped out this dreaded terrorist with available resources at the disposal of Nigeria Army without further procurement of firearms.

Your insinuation is an indictment on the government you are trying so hard to support. You people should stop this irritating and illogical reasoning

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by Emu4life(m): 3:18pm On Jan 14, 2016
Barcanista don turn convert niii cool
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by Ttalk: 3:33pm On Jan 14, 2016
joseph1832:
Yes Bode George, funny if this same convict a yahoo boy he will spend way longer jail term than George.

Our courts are very well known to give selective justice when it comes to matters that affect any member of the political class. It is very easy for them to twist and delay the judicial system because they have the money to pay thousands of S.A.N to do so.

For me, Dasuki and his elk should remain where they are.

Seconded
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by joseph1832(m): 3:41pm On Jan 14, 2016
drss:
see d problem u refused to believe dat dasuki bought weapons but u want me to believe dat buari bought weapons. See wat propaganda being promoted by dis govt is causing how do u seperate d facts from d lies when media houses ar being used as tools of misinformation n brainwashing by APC govt
Good, this is good, I can never believe Dasuki bought weapons because during his term as NSA, our military were humiliated beyond reasonable doubt, but, when PMB took over, the case of our military abandoning their post was lost to our ears.

This is the sole reason why I believe Dasuki didn't even buy any weapon.

Dude, let your sense guide you, rid yourself of all sentiment and you'll see for sure the truth staring right at you. Or do you want to deny that some army personnel mutiny against their C.O? Is that another propaganda again?
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by duwdu: 4:03pm On Jan 14, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
This article is to put to rest the attempt by some opponent of the ongoing anti-corruption fight to label the $2.2billion Arms scandal a propaganda.

While some opponent of the #armsgate probe allege that the money involved is $300million, facts on ground shows otherwise.

The $322 million Diverted Abacha Loot
Firstly, let me clarify on the $322million(not $300million) Abacha loot.

The said Abacha's loot came in mid(and late) 2014 from the Principality of Liechtenstein($227million) and the State of Jersey in the Channels' Island.

Before the monies even came, the FG set up a three man interministerial committee comprising of exNSA Sambo Dasuli, ex-justice minister Muhammed Adoke and ex-finance minister Ngozi Iwaela.
www.vanguardngr.com/2014/06/fg-receive-n37bn-abachas-loot-june-25/

The FG panel recommended that the money be used to purchase arms and on January 20, 2015, Ngozi Okonjo Iwaela sent a memo to President Jonathan to transfer $322 million to Sambo Dasuki which was approved.
Excerpt of the letter reads...

www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/how-okonjo-iweala-diverted-n61-4bn-abacha-loot-to-nsa-report/

This was confirmed by NOI in her December 10, 2015 statement through her spokesperson Mr. Paul Nwabuikwu. Here is a quote in his statement

www.punchng.com/arms-scam-i-transferred-322m-to-dasuki-says-okonjo-iweala/

I think this has been clarified that the $322 million was also enmarked for arms purchase. Let us see whether it was then entire money or a part of the whole.

The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal
After the sack of Sambo Dasuki as NSA in July 2015, the FG set up panel to investigate arms purchase from March 2007 to 2015 when Dasuki left as it was discovered that though the FG under Jonathan claimed to enmark billions for arms, the army authorities(including former Chief of Defence Staff, Alex Badeh) were complaining of lack of arms to confront Boko Haram. Here is an excerpt of the committee finding

www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/193398-%E2%80%8Bbuhari-orders-arrest-of-ex-nsa-dasuki-others-indicted-in-arms-contract-report.html

If you add the figures above, it will give an estimated total of $2.2billion. Also, the emboldened is clear enough to tell that the diverted arms money was from 2012 to 2015. While the $322 million is part of the entire arms money, it is not the ONLY money involved. Dasuki was appointed NSA in July 2012.

The panel also discoverd that “The contracts, which were said to be for the purchase of four Alpha Jets, 12 helicopters, bombs and ammunition were not executed and the equipment were never supplied to the Nigerian Air Force, neither are they in its inventory.

Is The $2.2billion Arms Probe Still A Propaganda?
After reading the above, will someone still call the $2.2 billion arms probe a "propaganda"?

If you read all the statements of Sambo Dasuki, he never denied the total money involved. He merely said that all payment were approved by Goodluck Jonathan
http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/arms-contracts-payments-endorsed-by-ex-president-jonathan-dasuki/120239.html.

Even Jonathan's statement in the USA of not approving $2.2 billion at once does not invalidate the subject. Nowhere did anybody allege that the entire $2.2 billion came in one batch. It is the estimated cumulative of extra-budgetary amount on arms probe from 2012 to March 2015.


We are at a period where we have to choose between taking a position calling for the prosecution of alleged corrupt government officials and their allies, or standing behind the corrupt element to fight against the anti-corruption crusade. This is not about APC and PDP but about Nigeria. There is no sitting on the fence.

Since taking this noble position on the fight against corruption, I have been abused, insulted and called names by opponent of the corruption fight. Nevertheless, I shall not yield to blackmail nor cease from standing for justice. Justice must be served!

May God Bless Us All and Bless Nigeria

Well narrated and stated, @TonyeBarcanista. You're making up for lost ground (no pun intended.)

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by duwdu: 4:09pm On Jan 14, 2016
aieromon:
grin grin grin

I can see everything turning around for someone's good these days.

From back to back hits such as

"The State Of Nigeria Under President Buhari"

"Remitted N973Million:Goodluck Jonathan, NOT President Buhari Recovered The Money"

"The Era Of "Prosecute Your Own Thief, Leave Mine For Me"

"Why It Is Illogical To Claim That 'PDP' Destroyed Nigeria For Sixteen Years"

We now have new back to back hits

"Treasury Single Account: Its Benefit, Major Players And Unnecessary Controversy"

"Colonel Sambo Dasuki And The Demand For Justice"

"$2.5billion Arms Fraud: Why Dokpesi's Explanation Is Unacceptable"

"Beyond #ArmsProbe: The Need To Probe The Entire Defence Budget"

"Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda?"

grin grin grin


This post of yours is a touch of genius, @aieromon. Well done!

Like I posted earlier, @TonyeBarcanista is making up for lost ground (no pun intended or meant.) Hopefully, another flip to a bad, diabolical coin does not again happen to him in his writings.

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Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by TyrantInAsoRock: 4:15pm On Jan 14, 2016
Ttalk:


Should we call some Nigerian dead brain or what?

That Jonathan government pushed the BH back toward the end of his tenure, so?
That Buhari technically defeated BH without purchase of Arms, so?

What does that tells you? It simply mean that the fight against BH was perpetually exaggerated by the previous government and only create an avenue for the government to siphon our money for personal purposes while allowing the monster to fester like a wild fire. For Buhari to recapture towns and villages under control of BH should tell you that Jonathan government could have wiped out this dreaded terrorist with available resources at the disposal of Nigeria Army without further procurement of firearms.

Your insinuation is an indictment on the government you are trying so hard to support. You people should stop this irritating and illogical reasoning

What trash is this one saying
When did Jonathan finally got the weapon?
After USA frustrated him

So he got the weapon by 2007 and wait till 2015?

Goan sleep maybe ur brain might have settled
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by Amya(f): 4:17pm On Jan 14, 2016
AmazonKindle:
boko haram started in obj days what stop the probing not to start from there if security is so sentimental

My point exactly!
Re: Is The $2.2 Billion Arms Deal Fraud Really A Propaganda? by sweetgala(m): 4:23pm On Jan 14, 2016
tuniski:
It is a very big propaganda! The probe of security votes at it stand is a propaganda. However, let the probe over the said period 2007 to 2015 not just Dasuki's tenure. Anyway, the whole #armsgate will end up underwhelming with much hot air and little substance. The naira is depreciating 310 to a dollar and all we are sold on is #dasukigate and missing this or that, may our economy not be missing for too long oooo! The streets ain't smiling and the offices are frowning where will succour comes from?

You can call it security vote for all the world, it does not remove from the fact money was misappropriated

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