No2Atheism:

[b]- Osisi is it easy for a non-igbo to own land in the east (osisi u and i both know that its easier said than done when it comes to land ownership in the east)
- [/b]is it possible for a non-igbo to be a part of the state government in the east ( osisi u r and both know that even amongst igbos it is next to impossible for for someone from aro-chukwu to hold political office in bende talkless of an outsider like a yoruba man)

The issue here is not whether or not igbos are not free to go anywhere they like or off course they are ,

the issue is whether or not, igbos want to eat their cake and still have it.

This is the most ignorant statement i've ever heard. Those that have money to acquire property in igboland do so no matter their lineage or race.The Chinese practically own one quarter of owerri and you are in your village with myopic mind waiting for the day igbos will dash you their land through affirmative action and egbe omo Yoruba quota. The same quota system that paralyzed Nigeria. Local trasnport in Onitsha is controlled by Yorubas, i mean that's what they do and nobody is gonna take it away from them. How is that not an equal opportunity?. Learn to work hard and  enter territories people dare not. Igbos on themselves take risks and enter those territories irrespective of the constraints. Go to Damascus, Oman, Yemen etc and you'll notice that the only visible Nigerian community there are the igbos. Why are others not going there or are the arabs discriminating against other groups that wish to buy property there?. Nigeria is not a socialist country my friend, if you don't try, how can you get it?

I am not sure who is behind the blowing of Atlas Cove in lagos.

Let us for argument sake agree that it is more likely to be MEND.  It is my opinion that MEND by this action has demonstrated and confirmed that they are a criminal organisation.

Their claim is that Shell , chevron and FG is on their land in Niger Delta, so has their land extend to Lagos?

Now, imagine if Lagosians, Yoruba, Igbo , hausa etc  were to attack Niger Delta, how would they feel?

The MEND and Niger Deltans are playing right into the Hands of the FG. Why don't they go to the seat of government in Abuja?

and also I noticed that the issues has degenarated to TRIBAL warfare between Yoruba and Igbo, again that is a mistake, our common enemy is our 'leaders'  who has not done anything for any part of the country other than share money in Abuja.

I think that the bombing by MEND in Lagos is a big mistake for MEND and they propably live to regret it.

Like i earlier said. The gov shuld stop citing refineries, oil depot to the north. Northerners cant b the Petroleum minister they should be used as Groundnut, KUNU,ministers. If this continue the MEND will site base in the northern region and blow up whatever they see related to oil. MEND are fighting for their cause. The govt have been treating them badly. The best roads, schools, hospitals, infrastructure in the country are in the North. Those states that provide the larger chunk of nigeria GDP have nothing to show for it. Militant should blow up all National assembly office, presidential villa all govt offices. Our leaders are corrupt and we should ensure that quota system are used. 60% of ministers in nigeria are from the north. UN should come and intervene b4 the name nigeria cease to exist

I have lived amongst igbos in the east and i know them to be the most fiercely tribalistic people that i have met. The way they even verbally and physically attack each other on simple issues in igbo land is wat makes suprised that they are trying to claim the higher ground.

The issue here is that:

Nigeria is corrupt.
Nigerian politicians are corrupt.

Devolution and ultimately completely autonomy of each region is one of the ways that this corruption can be tackled so as to make it easier to tackle the corruption locally without a national cabal disturbing the proceedings.

I support Autonomy of Niger Delta, however what i do not support is the attempt to start destroying public structures in the South West all in the name of Freedom Fighters, freedom fighters my ass, It is an open secret that most of the so called MEND people are more or less fighting for their own pockets, hence the war is not the solution. National Conference to discuss devolution and ultimate separation is the solution.

At the end of the day, Ibori, Alamesiagha, Etiebet, odili and co continue to steal oil and money and yet u hardly hear peep from MEND towards them. Is that coincidence or calculated intent to leave the criminals and instead instigate inter tribal war by destroying properties not on Niger Delta soil.

No2Atheism:

@spiky

The issue is that, it was inappropriate for MEND to attack Lagos since Lagos is no longer the seat of government and considering that Atlas Cove is situated in yoruba land, hence its a something amounting to a declaration of war.

USA would not take lightly to USSR attacking Alaska even if it was just a fuel station.

Any sensible person knows that its inappropriate for MEND (Ijaw people to be precise) to attack an installation in yorubaland while leaving their own corrupt governors and politicians in Niger Delta and Abuja unscattered.

Firts this your comparion with USA and USSR is quite pathetic.Is ijawland and yorubaland two different countries?

Atlas cove is in  yorubaland but it is owned by FG and not LASG anfd it is a depot where 'patriotic nigerians' deposit their imported fuel for distribution.

No2Atheism:

Osisi is it easy for a non-igbo to own land in the east.
is it possible for a non-igbo to be a part of the state government in the east.

The issue here is not whether or not igbos are not free to go anywhere they like or off course they are ,

the issue is whether or not, igbos want to eat their cake and still have it.

My father is a businessman
My granfather (RIP) was a businessman too
An Igbo  businessman would sell his land and his wares to the highest bidder
That is the game of buying and selling.

I grew up partly in Enugu and there is a large Yoruba community in Enugu complete with their own "oba"
I doubt if anyone would refuse to sell them a piece of land so the answer is yes.
There is ama awusa all over Igboland
that's where the hausa community lives and they own most of their own houses and they have lived peacefully for years in Igboland

Currently in Imo state,one of the advisers to the state governor is an Urhobo man,that I know of,there could be several others.
There is a taxi business in Abia state currently and the man who owns it is a Yoruba man
I have proof of everything I have mentioned,in print.
Igbos are very very accomodating to strangers
Most of these people talking rubbish have never lived anywhere else

asha

u dem mind oduduwa trait

The issue here is that Igbos should stop playing the victim card all the time, yorubas do not buy land or make investment in the east because:

1. Igbo tribalism would scuttle it
2. There is enough opportunities to invest in the west.
3. Yorubas would rather take care of the home rather than do Ajala travels.

Igbos should stop complaining about how nigeria is bad for them while at the same time they and their leaders are benefitting financially from it one way or another.

Igbos would continue to have issues with someone like me, cus i believe in fairness, hence i do not support anyone whether yoruba or igbo or hausa or ijaw who plays the victim card and still at the same time benefits from what he or she is claiming a victim from.

No2Atheism:

I have lived amongst igbos in the east and i know them to be the most fiercely tribalistic people that i have met. The way they even verbally and physically attack each other on simple issues in igbo land is wat makes suprised that they are trying to claim the higher ground.

The issue here is that:

Nigeria is corrupt.
Nigerian politicians are corrupt.

Devolution and ultimately completely autonomy of each region is one of the ways that this corruption can be tackled so as to make it easier to tackle the corruption locally without a national cabal disturbing the proceedings.

I support Autonomy of Niger Delta, however what i do not support is the attempt to start destroying public structures in the South West all in the name of Freedom Fighters, freedom fighters my ass, It is an open secret that most of the so called MEND people are more or less fighting for their own pockets, hence the war is not the solution. National Conference to discuss devolution and ultimate separation is the solution.

At the end of the day, Ibori, Alamesiagha, Etiebet, odili and co continue to steal oil and money and yet u hardly hear peep from MEND towards them. Is that coincidence or calculated intent to leave the criminals and instead instigate inter tribal war by destroying properties not on Niger Delta soil.

Are you worried that igbos are tribalistic to other ethnic groups or tribalistic to themselves   I guess the Egba man and the Ondo man loves the Ijebu man. Make up your mind.I can also say yorubas are the most trbalistic people in nigeria because i spaent quite sometimwe in omu in ekiti state.

No2Atheism:

The issue here is that Igbos should stop playing the victim card all the time, yorubas do not buy land or make investment in the east because:

1. Igbo tribalism would scuttle it
2. There is enough opportunities to invest in the west.
3. Yorubas would rather take care of the home rather than do Ajala travels.

Igbos should stop complaining about how nigeria is bad for them while at the same time they and their leaders are benefitting financially from it one way or another.

Igbos would continue to have issues with someone like me, cus i believe in fairness, hence i do not support anyone whether yoruba or igbo or hausa or ijaw who plays the victim card and still at the same time benefits from what he or she is claiming a victim from.

Your cave mentality will not allow you invest the east even if you want to.

What are doing in uk?Why don'y you remain in yorubaland?

What do you mean igbos are benefiting financially?Let us foget the leaders?

Igbos will continue to have problems with people like you. . .na today?

No2Atheism:

I have lived amongst igbos in the east and i know them to be the most fiercely tribalistic people that i have met. The way they even verbally and physically attack each other on simple issues in igbo land is wat makes suprised that they are trying to claim the higher ground.

Tribalistic towards non Igbos?
more than Yorubas?
In what way,please tell  us,give examples
This forum here is a microcosm of Nigeria
go to all the threads that have anything Igbo on it who do you see?
some Yoruba man sticking it to Igbos
With the usual lines of Igbos are 419ers,Igbos are flocking to Lagos
what is it with you folks and Biafra etc.

You can never understand the passion an Igboman man has about Biafra because you are not Igbo.
The same way Eritreans wanted for 30 years to be Erithrea and not Ethiopia
The same way a Jewish man would tell you he's Jewish before saying he is American or German.
I cannot explain it to you.
That's why an Igbo man would save his penny to go home at Christmas
marry in Igboland (most)
and insist that his deceased body be buried in his homeland rather than the cemeteries in his place of sojourn.

We are supposed to be more enlightened yet we make the very same mistakes our fathers made and drum our phantom superiority online as if it will solve any problem.

MEND have bombed and have sent shivers down Yar'adua's spine and some people are spilling bile and drumming their support for their beloved tribe meanwhile the poverty ravaging our entire country is not sympathetic to members of any tribe. The dead have be confirmed to be soldiers who died in the line of duty and should be mourned by all and their deaths should be used to hold Yar'adua accountable for failing to take care of us.

He is the CSO of this nation and has shown that our country is unsafe and can be invaded by a small army at any time. Instead of demanding answers from Yar'adua, the 'I am better than you' proponents are seeking that their fellow Nigerians from another tribe should be murdered to atone for the attack at Atlas Cove. Shame!

No2Atheism:

The issue here is that Igbos should stop playing the victim card all the time, yorubas do not buy land or make investment in the east because:

1. Igbo tribalism would scuttle it

Igbos should stop complaining about how nigeria is bad for them while at the same time they and their leaders are benefitting financially from it one way or another.

Igbos would continue to have issues with someone like me, cus i believe in fairness, hence i do not support anyone whether yoruba or igbo or hausa or ijaw who plays the victim card and still at the same time benefits from what he or she is claiming a victim from.

Nobody is playing any victim card my friend. It's your inscurity that is disturbing you immensely. Igbos have suffered in the hands of tribal haters like you in the north and complaining about it is not playing the victim card,  History has shown that in igbo and ijawland, there have never been a social unrest fueled by tribal hatred except reprisals attacks because of what is happening in the north. Igbos have been attacked by Yorubas of your like in lagos and ibadan but have you heard the same about Yorubas in the east?.

It's Yorubas that complain about tribalsim is nollywood and not hausa, ijaw, benin,efik, urhobo etc, tribalsm in this and that yet 60% of tribal comments here come from them. Don't relax in your little world and wait for another man's sweat to come to you because you feel marginalized.  The emergence of almajiris in todays yorba nation is as a result of people like you that frowns at hard work and demand affirmative action. We have people like that in igboland and we call them ndi iberibe.

2. There is enough opportunities to invest in the west.

we already know that. Just like in the north, south east and south south. You are not the only Yoruba in this world, others think outside the box.

3. Yorubas would rather take care of the home rather than do Ajala travels

Have you been to London before? Yorubas have the highest investment in london and last time i checked, ibadan is not even close to a ghetto in london. Your senese is warped because that comment above means that Yorubas are ethnocentric and will never invest in another persons land.

more of the usual "I spent quite some time in Yoruba land"

lol

ow11:



MEND have bombed and have sent shivers down Yar'adua's spine

lol

No2Atheism:

The issue here is that Igbos should stop playing the victim card all the time, yorubas do not buy land or make investment in the east because:

1. Igbo tribalism would scuttle it
2. There is enough opportunities to invest in the west.
3. Yorubas would rather take care of the home rather than do Ajala travels.

Igbos should stop complaining about how nigeria is bad for them while at the same time they and their leaders are benefitting financially from it one way or another.

Igbos would continue to have issues with someone like me, cus i believe in fairness, hence i do not support anyone whether yoruba or igbo or hausa or ijaw who plays the victim card and still at the same time benefits from what he or she is claiming a victim from.

Good excuses for a lazy man (not you o)
let me remain in my domain because others will treat me bad if I venture out.
There is enough tribalism from Yorubas in Lagos to fill the atlantic ocean (read the comments here by Yorubas and see for yourself) but it hasn't stopped the Igbo man
He knows what he wants there
and you may hate him but when your car breaks down.you'll come buy his spare parts.
what other kind of love does he need?
He's not there to marry Yoruba women
neither is he there to learn how to cook amala and ewedu
he is there to earn a living

tpia.:

more of the usual "I spent quite some time in Yoruba land"

lol

This thread is not about delta Ibos
that is your specialty.

No2Atheism, ive been reading ur comments & its like that of an immature adolescent. About saying Igbos are tribalistic, i disagree with u. They are among the friendliest and i can prove that to u. But i wont waste time doing that now. I guess u should take a trip to the eastern state & see for urself.

tpia has a pattern.  She didn't see no2atheism claim he spent some time in igboland and discovered igbos are evil and despicable rather she is arguing similar claim from non Yoruba. Same goes for others, presently, she enjoys no2atheism tribalist antics but as soon as she gets uncomfortable with it, she will claim he is not Yoruba rather he is an igboid using Yoruba name.

lol

I have to say that I'm definitely dissapointed and filled with disgust for the Nigerians here on this forum that support the nefarious activities of MEND. Yes, the government has made mistakes in the past, but why don't you guys take a trip down to the communities in both Rivers and Delta states that have been terrorised by MEND and other splinter groups. How can you justify the cold blooded murder of innocent Nigerians by these groups? By the way, these groups have made billions of Naira from their activities. So, I want all the MEND supporters here to point out JUST ONE single thing they've contributed to the development of the Niger-Delta.

I vividly remember the events that occured in Port Harcourt (2007) when MEND held the city, and state at large, in a constant state of fear and terror. Their activities (murder, kidnapping, oil bunkering, and armed robbery) led to the crippling of the state's economy, leading to the loss of thousands of jobs. Everything got a bit better once the JTF were brought in to take them out.

To the MEND supporters here on Nairaland, if you think MEND is popular among the indigenes of the Niger-Delta, then explain why people living in Port Harcourt (and Rivers state at large) were the ones clamouring for the declaration of a state of emergency within the state. And how about MEND members being chased out of Akwa Ibom state by the common masses?

no2atheism,this is one of the things I mentioned.


By Matthias Nwogu – Umuahia
Friday, March 13, 2009  
•Photo:Sun News Publishing
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Buoyed by the successful take-off of the Abia State urban taxi and bus scheme, Car Nation, a private Transporter has launched 100 taxies into the urban centres of Aba and Umuahia to ameliorate the sufferings of commuters.

The taxi scheme, the first of its kind by a private body and known as Hello Taxi is seen as a welcome development which will not only augment the existing ones but bring in an alternative to the rickety cabs that ply the Aba metropolis
Taxi operations became acute in the Aba and Umuahia metropolis since 2008 when government banned commercial motor cyclists (Okada) from plying the streets between 6.00 pm and am every day.
The taxi scheme which is in partnership with the state government is made up with Mappler 50 cars which would give commuters a taste of luxury

Briefing newsmen on the development, the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Car Nation, Mr. Jimi Lewu, disclosed that Abia was their first port of call in Nigeria, stressing that the number of cars to be deployed to any part of the state would be driven by demand.

“We are starting with 100 because we want demand to drive additional need for cars in any locality. When I say serviceable, the trend usually in a lot of places is for people to supply services without a maintenance contract. Our scheme has in-built maintenance contract,” he said.

He explained that the decision to start with Abia State was informed by several considerations including the commercial nature of Aba, the peaceful atmosphere in Umuahia and the current enabling environment created by the Theodore Orji administration and expressed confidence that they would do good business in the state. Mr. Lewu, who hinted that the company would open offices in Aba and Umuahia including mechanic workshops, employ and train their drivers and ancillary staff, also disclosed that the offices would contain computerized taxi dispatch centers.

“The scheme is not gong to be run by a taxi brokering scheme; that is what obtains here. We are going to be heavily involved in logistics management. It means that we will be involved in the operational efficiency of the scheme, then as we go on we will work with the transport unions to evolve partnership,” he said, adding that they would work with the transport unions after the scheme has been firmly established so that they would keep the standard already set.

The CEO said the company was not afraid of competition because it has high standards as well as efficient service delivery adding that the project would be operational in five other States which he did not immediately disclose by the end of march with the overall goal of covering the entire federation by end of the year .

He said the company would also establish mechanic workshops and employ drivers among other staff after adequate training adding that the offices would contain computerized taxi dispatch centre .
He said the maple R50 cabs to be used for transport scheme was durable and strong for Ngerian roads adding that the company would manage the scheme before inviting the Transport Union
While commending Abia State Governor Chief Theodore Orji for his support to the scheme promised to reciprocate the gesture by maintaining the highest standard and creating employment for indigenes of the state.

If the scheme succeeds it would change transportation in the two urban centres which for a long time have not enjoyed real intra city commuting



what is is a Yoruba man doing with a massive taxi business in Abia state if they were not accomodating?
This is just one example but there are others

[img]http://students.umf.maine.edu/~irwindn/Images/ph2006030500964.jpg[/img]

Osisi you are going too far. 90% of the mini buses used in local transport in onitsha and awka are owned by Yorubas. Same in kano, kaduna, Enugu etc. The also control tailoring business in the east. Igbos own the luxurious buses that travel interstate but for some reason, they are not that good in local transportation. I am sure that if Nigeria develops to the point of having subways, Yorubas should be contracted to manage it.

Anyone claiming this to be a tribal attack needs to get a life. . . . and if they insist on seeing it that way, then they should consider it a retaliation for the Otta-directed attack on Odi. . . . infact, the land of Odi is calling for the blood of 277 more people just to even the score on both sides. . . . so that the 300 deaths in Odi are accounted for. . . . I can carry on making these stupid deductions. . . . lets see how stupid we can get in the name of tribalism. . . .

Hundreds of Niger-Deltans have been killed by FG forces with the connivance of power-brokers from every tribe of Nigeria. . . . every Federal Government property is a legitimate target whether it is situated in your fathers backyard or on Niger-Deltan land. . . if you dont like it, go and pick up arms if you get liver. . .

@horus

e be like say u like this pics of MEND guys  

Is not a tribal attack plz! MEND and the representatives have spoken.



rat wey dey blow air to calm the victims while biting off their toes is of no relevance here!

Igboland remains open to strangers, and that is the simple truth. Three developments proved this point to me.

(1) One was an "okada" rider who once picked me up from a village in Nnewi Anambra state. I wanted to know how much he would charge to take me to the urban side of town, he didn't respond. It was midway that I realised he did not understand me. He couldn't speak Igbo. I later realised he was Yoruba. I got angry with him because when I was doing my youth service in Ijeb-Igbo Ogun state, all taxis drivers spoke only Yoruba. I told him if he didn't speak Igbo that i would avoid taking him next time.

(2) The other story was another Yoruba guy - a tailor who had lived in Nnewi for about 15 years according to him. He spoke fluent Nnewi dialect. The only thing that gave him away was his Oyo tribal marks, but believe me he is the most popular tailor when it comes to african attire in the whole of nkwo nnewi market. Igbo are accommodating. It is a cultural obligation to defend the foreigner in Igboland. That is why northerners have been getting away with killing Igbos in the north in the past. That is changing though because Igbos are now forced to retaliate.

(3) The last time there was riot up north, I counted about 10,000 northerners who hobbled together at the nkwo nnewi triangle. Nobody attacked them anyway.
Igbos are accomodating.

Nigerians need to change and stop the savage act of attacking foreigners!

Aloy.Emeka:

tpia has a pattern.  She didn't see no2atheism claim he spent some time in igboland and discovered igbos are evil and despicable rather she is arguing similar claim from non Yoruba. Same goes for others, presently, she enjoys no2atheism tribalist antics but as soon as she gets uncomfortable with it, she will claim he is not Yoruba rather he is an igboid using Yoruba name.

Of course she pretended not to see that part.
wait till the delta Ibo threads come up,she'll tell you Asaba is not Igboland  and argue like her existence depended on it,even though the Asagba of Asaba,Obi Edozien is a member of Ohaneze.
I wonder why these people drink acid whenever anything Igbo is mentioned.
There are those who want division and all things evil ascribed to Igboland and she's one of them.
na today

Horus:

oohhh, I'm so scared.

scurred


scarred


skeered

am sh*tting myself right now

shiver tremble

abeg osisi and co back to topic.

Stop being so blatantly cowardly just because you're afraid of No2atheism.