Julian08:
Did your god not create everything including he'll?
Did he not create the criteria by which souls will be judged?

Is there anything that goes on without his knowledge or that he doesn't have the power to influence?

So if people go to hell isn't he responsible for that? Because he had the power to stop that but didn't or perhaps, he just wanted them to go there after all.

Jesuobu:
Omniscience is defined as he state of having total knowledge, the quality of knowing everything. For God to be sovereign over His creation of all things, whether visible or invisible, He has to be all-knowing but this does not mean God has already known those destined for hell. He gave everyone a level plain ground for anyone who believes in Jesus will inherit the kingdom of God.

The Noah incident was because so much evil was found in men and on the earth and God was deeply sorry that He had created man and decided to flood the whole earth to cleanse it and promised never to do it again.

specco:

The Almighty is a God of justice, righteousness, mercy and grace. He cant overlook sin else he'll not be true to his JUSTICE nature. But His MERCY, GRACE and RIGHTEOUS nature also compelled him to be merciful to come in the person of Jesus Christ and bore the punishment due for SIN. He died and tasted hell on the sinner's behalf and came back to life after three days. So if the sinner repents and accepts Jesus as his personal Lord and Saviour he'll not go to hell himself.

myboy2010:
point of correction, the world was created some 6000 years ago nt 13.8 billion as atheist like you do say

myboy2010:
point of correction, the world was created some 6000 years ago nt 13.8 billion as atheist like you do say

donnffd:
An armed robber says your money or your life, and you refuse to give him your money and then he shoots you and claims it was your choice...

That seems like what i am reading...

shadeyinka:



God created some special class of creatures with free will. The first is
Angels: created to be servants to Him
Man: created to be his "babies"

Angels were to Serve Him by their choice
Men were to Love Him by their choice.

I guess God did NOT want Robots: the peak of creations will need autonomy.
Which do you think is greater in sophistication; a preprogrammed robot or a self programming robot?



Like I said before:
Time is an illusion of the physical space. In the time-space of the spiritual, time doesn't exist. A trillion years using the earths time space is extremely long, but in the spirit realm, time doesn't have a meaning. Moreover, spirits cannot die!




He didn't create us to serve Himself!
He created us and gave us guidelines which will lead us to a life of Love to Him and to each other. That is why the greatest commandment is about Love to God and Love to Man.

To Love is a choice we all make and Love CANNOT be Forced





No! LOL
God doesn't need anyone's worship. Those who Love Him worship Him because they see that He was the one who actually loved them First and due to the greatness of His majesty.


The only test or prove for LOVE is choices you make by your FREEWILL

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

juniweezy:
can I ask you. If God knew that all your children would go to hell n now decides to make u impotent n there is nothing u can do that would make u have a child. How would u feel?

Lennycool:

How do you continue to refuse logic. Omniscient is all knowing. I repeat all knowing. Past future present. People that will go to hell are in the future, so God knows them already. You cannot be omniscient and regret it is impossible. If I know eating beans will give me indigestion and I still eat it and have indigestion, why will I regret when I knew the outcome before I began. Please I beg you(in the name of God), use brain.

lastmessenger:
Bible never said God knows the individuals that will go to hell.

lastmessenger:
Bible never said God knows the individuals that will go to hell.

OgundeleT:

since he foreknown according to your own definition of omniscience god why is he now testing us? why is he allowing us to undergo so much stress on a mission he knew is to futility?

bology:
Interesting post, ALMIGTHY is d only thing dat exists, the first and the last, the open and the hiden. where were u when u were nt born? Having knowledge abt who u are u'll knw the omniscience. it is very few pple that knws the hiden knowledge about GOD. In islam it is known as philosophy not d one dat makes u belive about freewill determinism. Meet ur pastor that u want to knw urslf linked with GOD, if u already knw there is a creator u've got 1 of 10 of d knwldge. u won't get right only on meditation.

Ejerry:

I am going to try my best here. I believe there is a God, a group of Gods or a supreme supernatural force that supercedes and oversees all forces, i do because of the existence of stuffs as spirituality, magic etc. This God gives order in the supernatural realm. There must be, or there would have been serious chaos. That said, I do believe that there has been a faulty, incomplete or altered teaching about some of the nature of this being passed along for centuries. Personaly i think for d sake of order among humans there must be judgement, culminating in hell or paradise; now if there is judgement then there must have been freewill, and there is, choices. Now freewill we know exists for sure, now if God gave us minds am sure as hell that there is no way He knows wat choice we would always make, but then he sure knows the result of every choice we take. This is destiny, a function of choice. this is what i think though. so call it omniscience call it fore knowledge call it hulaballu, there is a limit to what He knows period.

Lennycool:

Brain dead argument. Omniscient means knowing all. So by this definition he knows who will go to hell and who will not.

Zenlife:



Mr/ Ms 'lastmessenger' you're on point.
With your statement, inspite of all the posts that preceded yours, you darn right, you should be the 'last'messenger'.
Child.

Lennycool:

So God is not all powerful again, he now has a limit. Lol. and you theist don't believe in evolution. See how this guy just evolved on what has been part of Christian lore for hundreds of years. You have been presented with so much fact, that you have now accepted an imperfect God, in other to defend him.

Lennycool:
The OP obviously doesn't know the meaning of being omniscient. So I will try to explain, omniscient is all knowing, nothing is unknown. Let me give you an example, imagine a teacher is omniscient meaning he knows all, and this teacher then decides to give a test to his students, now being omniscient he already knows who will fail and who will pass. He knows the result of the test already so why give it, people will then say the teacher was trying to give the students a chance, but there was never any chance of anyone that was supposed to fail to suddenly pass, if this happened the teacher would not know all and hence would not be omniscient. Now apply this to an all knowing God, by creating everyone he already knows who will go to hell and who will not, there is no chance of these people changing. So why create them, also why flood the earth in the story of Noah in anger when he knew what would happen when he created them. This contradicts so much about God.

AnonyNymous:

Nice analogy. But let's modify it a bit to make it similar to what we've been talking about.

"If I wasn't born yet, and my parents saw in a 100% accurate time machine that if they have sex and give birth to me, I will bring about Hitler-level destruction of the earth, then are my parents not evil for still choosing to f*ck and bring about the destruction of the world??"

The same could be said about your god and creation.



Its not fair to condemn a person if you are not the cause of that person's existence.



Its not free will, because what will happen, will still happen. If there is free will, omniscience isn't possible, because omniscience includes knowing the end result already. Its just like putting someone in a cage that has only one exit, and then telling him he has the choice to exit from wherever he likes.

cc hopefullandlord hahn lennycool seun

NovusHomo:


If you knew the answer to your own question, what is the point in asking?

I have a few questions of my own:
Who/What is "GOD"?
What/Where is "HEAVEN"?
What/Where is "HELL"?
Has ANYONE been to these places?
Has ANYONE come back from these places to tell about their experience?

Rozaystunna:
I like you

fyneboi79:
I also ask them in laymans english;How many earthly fathers look up to judging theirs childrens sins and casting away some of their children into eternal damnation one day? It doesn't make any sense,Instead,He should keep loving all his children the same. So what kind of father is the Christian God? Partial to sufferings of his people or powerless against the forces of evil?

Zenlife:


Thank you for a good brief analysis.
To take it a lil' further up a notch...
Why be upset with Biblical Adam & Eve, knowing they'll rebell? and when they did, cast them out in anger? As though disappointed?
Been omniscient, Adam & Eve didn't fail, they met His expectations. They played to expectations.
Thus, expectedly, the omniscient should have been glad and give them a pat on the back and go chest beating that right on, it's all working according to plan.

Now, this in no way suggest that there's no God, still though, through time, no one has seen Him. And inspite of His creations yearnings, atheism, questions, He just can't be bothered, Not even to oblige us for once; too busy through the eons of time I guess.

It is the greatest phenomenon, that those that have come and gone and here, have maimed, killed, murdered, wars fought, etc, on an unproven assumption. Beats the heck outta me.

However, let's be indulgent and play ball.
God as presented by religions, practices, faiths, 9/11 terrorist bombing catastrophe of the twin towers, innocent babies, adults present, babies just dropped off school and never to see their parents again, etc, if He is omniscient, must be different from the biblical God.

reallest:

Am too big to worship anything,only fool worship something