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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by OgundeleT(m): 7:15pm On Sep 25, 2016
Ejerry:

I am going to try my best here. I believe there is a God, a group of Gods or a supreme supernatural force that supercedes and oversees all forces, i do because of the existence of stuffs as spirituality, magic etc. This God gives order in the supernatural realm. There must be, or there would have been serious chaos. That said, I do believe that there has been a faulty, incomplete or altered teaching about some of the nature of this being passed along for centuries. Personaly i think for d sake of order among humans there must be judgement, culminating in hell or paradise; now if there is judgement then there must have been freewill, and there is, choices. Now freewill we know exists for sure, now if God gave us minds am sure as hell that there is no way He knows wat choices we could always take, but then he sure knows the result of every choice we make. This is destiny, a function of choice. this is what i think though. so call it omniscience, call it fore knowledge, call it hulaballu or whatever, I believe there is a limit to what He knows period.

i only need that bold and if is is true then the god is not omniscience and this contradict the attributes of god as theist described it

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Spiff20(m): 7:16pm On Sep 25, 2016
bobkezel:

clueless and useless like ur dog abi na god u call am.
may God forgive your sheer stupidity and myopic ignorance.
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by emmkeffs(f): 7:16pm On Sep 25, 2016
johnydon22:
The jewish tribal deity yahweh loves the smell of burnt flesh, it is pleasing to him - why should it come as a surprise to you that it plans to set up an eternal barbacue of burning flesh for his own lustful insatiable pleasure and need for burnt flesh.
you are on point

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by hamzeiy: 7:21pm On Sep 25, 2016
Jesuobu:
Well, I ask this question but I will give you response which I think the answer is and maybe you will respond with whatever you think the answer is.

Please understand that God does not cause anybody to go hell but rather some people choose to go there on their own. One of the major causes of people going to hell is the rejection of the Creator himself and the son Jesus Christ. God has made it abundantly clear through apostle Paul that His wrath will be upon people who reject Him and the son Jesus Christ when it was written in Romans 1:18-20, which says, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For invincible attribute, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made. So there are without excuse”

So people choose to go to hell because they reject Christ, not because God causes them to go there. God allows people to be born to give them the opportunity to believe, but is man’s responsibility to make choice. In some other cases, some people have genuinely pledged their soul to Satan for money, fame or power and only God’s divine intervention can save them but if they die in that state, they will surely go to hell.

Nairalanders do you think otherwise? If yes, please give your reasons.

and some body said the default stage is hell bound ?...this is one of the unjust things i have ever heard done by the created to the creator..infact we are all bound to make paradise by default witout been misguided to the path of falsehood either by our parents,freinds or society.
back to the op.yes God created certain pple knowing fully well day would go to hell because He is the All Knowung Lord..His knowlege encompasses every thing as such it is His quality and feature to Know...that been said,going to hell or other wise is a fuction of human will to decide either to do right or wrong as described by God the Almighty,.what decisions you make with this self will He has gifted to us will determine either you gain His MERCY OR WRATH as only through this you would excape His punishment .It is the business of God to know everything (Good or bad) but this knowledge of His is not the reason anybody is going to hell but what you do with the self will he has gifted to you to make the right or wrong decision.
So if anybody attains succes at the end of the day; he should give thanks to Allah and if he dosnt..he has himself to blame.
above all the issue of destiny cant be truelly nd fully understood..what you should know is that you God is just and mercifull as such if you find your self in hell..it definately your fault..may God protect us from hell..amin
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by OgundeleT(m): 7:25pm On Sep 25, 2016
Spiff20:
Al-queda, ISIS, Talibans and Boko haram have jeopardized, kidnapped,killed,made many homeless,wrecked regions all in the name of Allah you have to do that stats again cos it's flawed and you know it.
Christians are guilty of crime against humanity just like Muslims and that doesn't change the fact that Allah is the only way to paradise
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Senorprinz(m): 7:30pm On Sep 25, 2016
johnydon22:
The jewish tribal deity yahweh loves the smell of burnt flesh, it is pleasing to him - why should it come as a surprise to you that it plans to set up an eternal barbacue of burning flesh for his own lustful insatiable pleasure and need for burnt flesh.
and your name is john
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Xflint(m): 7:30pm On Sep 25, 2016
johnydon22:
The jewish tribal deity yahweh loves the smell of burnt flesh, it is pleasing to him - why should it come as a surprise to you that it plans to set up an eternal barbacue of burning flesh for his own lustful insatiable pleasure and need for burnt flesh.

mind the way talk before God strikes u down. However, may God have mercy on u
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by tete7000(m): 7:31pm On Sep 25, 2016
reallest:

Am too big to worship anything,only fool worship something

When you don't worship without, you worship within. If you fail to worship anything you automatically worship yourself because you believe you are the centre of the universe, a repository of knowledge. When you are already a god on your own right then you no longer have a need for any other god.
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by kingsjoe2020: 7:33pm On Sep 25, 2016
God never created hell for any human it was meant originally for the devil and his angels but adams sin dragged we humans into this conflict.God doesnt want any one to end up there so he sent his only beggotten son as a redeemer for man kind if you accept his sacrifice for you are saved and redemption comes your way but if you go contrary the default will be your reward

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by gaelllic: 7:33pm On Sep 25, 2016
[quote author=hopefulLandlord post=49666677][/quote]

Look at it this way.

There are two Spirits in the world - Christ and Antichrist.

Every soul is fundamentally under either influence.

Following Christ results in union with Him, which is Heaven. Following Antichrist results in union also - this is Hell.

And here enters freedom of the will.

Now of course the glorious destiny of those who choose Christ is known to God, they are under His dominion. Those who reject Him fall immediately under the dominion of the devil. Thus their eventual union with the devil is also obvious.

Omniscience does not exclude free will. (I do not purport to describe the mechanism of Omniscience. I merely offer a model to make
accessible to base intellect what is actually a sublime Mystery.)

As to why God would not decide against the creation of soul destined for doom, why should He?

It is a choice. The soul chooses. And lives with what it chooses.

Were He to thwart your choices, would you not have the temerity to accuse Him of tyranny?

It is the nature of the impious to be hypocrites.

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 7:42pm On Sep 25, 2016
tete7000:


When you don't worship without, you worship within. If you fail to worship anything you automatically worship yourself because you believe you are the centre of the universe, a repository of knowledge. When you are already a god on your own right then you no longer have a need for any other god.
really
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by charlsecy(m): 7:43pm On Sep 25, 2016
Charly68:
God did not create hell for man,it was created for the rebelious devil & his fallen angels. Since the devil decided to carry man along in his disobedience,it becomes implied that those who follow the part of rebellion will end up in hell.
Did GOD know that Satan would default and drag some to Hell?

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 7:43pm On Sep 25, 2016
Smallville10:
fatal error from u. Better scratch that
For ur mind
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by tete7000(m): 7:49pm On Sep 25, 2016
reallest:
really


You doubt me? Just checked your signature, it says it all. PRIDE is your problem. I checked your profile though not as an amebo but to fully grasp who you are. Now I have a crystal clear idea of you. Believe me sha, from what I could see, you need God the most. cheesy
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 7:49pm On Sep 25, 2016
MrTruth4real:

I want to ask u a question, u know if u were born in an Arab country, brought up in the Islamic way of life, u wud be a faithful Muslim by now. True or false
before I was born, God had already planned my race, nationality, religion and gender and so I could never have been a Muslim in an Arab country . All I'm today is all by the grace and the will of God.

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by reallest(f): 7:53pm On Sep 25, 2016
tete7000:



You doubt me? Just checked your signature, it says it all. PRIDE is your problem. I checked your profile though not as an amebo but to fully grasp who you are. Now I have a crystal clear idea of you. Believe me sha, from what I could see, you need God the most. cheesy
Which of d god do I need?yahweh,allah,buddah,olodumare or Zeus?
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by hopefulLandlord: 7:55pm On Sep 25, 2016
Xflint:


mind the way talk before God strikes u down. However, may God have mercy on u

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 7:57pm On Sep 25, 2016
loved21:
Why are exams being set when examiners know that students are going to fail
the students have all the choice in their hands to either fail or pass. The examiner can not take the blame for the students failure. The student fail because he refused to listen to instructions and read his books.

Comparatively, man has the choice to either go to hell or heaven in their hands and God cannot take the blame when they fail to make heaven because they refuse to follow instructions not to do what is wrong.

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Sije(m): 8:00pm On Sep 25, 2016
This is just my point of view

Your question is:
Why a God as powerfully described as the christians wld allow his creature go to hell?

God wants a faithfull servant
Not the one who's wheel, he bends like a zombi

He has places them just as he wants, he jst doesnt want anyone to accuse him of forcing them against their wish.

So he gives them a path, and allow the devil to entice also so he would see who has truely stood by him.

Am backing this up with the story of job in d bible. Its all there in book of JOB

So when one finds himself in hell, he/she has no one to blame but the decisions they took while alive
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by skydancer: 8:02pm On Sep 25, 2016
Lennycool:
The OP obviously doesn't know the meaning of being omniscient. So I will try to explain, omniscient is all knowing, nothing is unknown. Let me give you an example, imagine a teacher is omniscient meaning he knows all, and this teacher then decides to give a test to his students, now being omniscient he already knows who will fail and who will pass. He knows the result of the test already so why give it, people will then say the teacher was trying to give the students a chance, but there was never any chance of anyone that was supposed to fail to suddenly pass, if this happened the teacher would not know all and hence would not be omniscient. Now apply this to an all knowing God, by creating everyone he already knows who will go to hell and who will not, there is no chance of these people changing. So why create them, also why flood the earth in the story of Noah in anger when he knew what would happen when he created them. This contradicts so much about God.
I just wanted to tell you that, God's omniscience is not exactly how we always judge or perceive it. God's a paradox to our minds because He doesn't exist in the same dimension. For example, I can tell you that God has the potential to know everything and also knows everything. Does this make sense? The Bible passages support it, even Christ once said 'No one knows but the Father', does it then mean that Christ is not one with the Father? God cherishes order and has established a universe of order and time. Thus He abides by His own laws/words.

A simple way to understand creation is: It's a simple sieve (exactly as simple as you described to God) to create beings like God who choose good out of freewill.
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by tete7000(m): 8:08pm On Sep 25, 2016
reallest:

Which of d god do I need?yahweh,allah,buddah,olodumare or Zeus?

None of those. JESUS CHRIST, the way, the truth and the life. By the way is that really your profile picture? You look too beautiful to be empty inside. I wish your inside could be as beautiful as that facade I saw. Jesus Christ will make that possible. Believe me.
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Zenlife: 8:15pm On Sep 25, 2016
gaelllic:



Do you know how many people have died as a result of United States imperialism? From Vietnam, to Guatemala, to Guam, to Nicaragua, to Iraq, to Panama, to Pakistan, to Afghanistan, to Syria etc.?

Yet I am sure you are able tjio distinguish the general vision of the 'American Way' from the crimes of its military-industrial complex.

Do you know how many millions have perished at the hands of Socialist regimes worldwide? In just a century or so? From Russia, to the Ukraine, to Romania, to Cambodia, to North Korea, to China, to Uganda etc.?

But I'm sure you distinguish the 'well-meaning' celebrity socialists (UK Labour, 'comrade' this and that) from the murderous Eastern regimes.

Yet every Christian must wear guilt for every crime ever committed in religion's name.

You are a liar in your heart.




Totally off topic!

Did you arise today from the right or left side?
Name calling uneccesary and stupidly immature.
You are the personification of truth....

Hip hip hip... Hurrah.
Give this dude a medal.
Enjoy it.

Then go fly a kite kiddo.

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Sije(m): 8:16pm On Sep 25, 2016
Sije:


God wants a faithfull servant
Not the one who's wheel, he bends like a zombi

He has placed them just as he wants, he jst doesnt want anyone to accuse him of forcing them against their will.
Thats it -smiley
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 8:19pm On Sep 25, 2016
reallest:

Which of d god do I need?yahweh,allah,buddah,olodumare or Zeus?
on a serious note i think u need all of them
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Nobody: 8:21pm On Sep 25, 2016
Jesuobu:
the students have all the choice in their hands to either fail or pass. The examiner can not take the blame for the students failure. The student fail because he refused to listen to instructions and read his books.

Comparatively, man has the choice to either go to hell or heaven in their hands and God cannot take the blame when they fail to make heaven because they refuse to follow instructions not to do what is wrong.
rightly said

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Zenlife: 8:25pm On Sep 25, 2016
lastmessenger:
if God said he knows the individuals going to hell,please i would like you to show me.
I am the lastmessenger. No doubt about that.
You are welcome to say that again and again, just only for your sake though....


Child, child, child,
How many times did I call you?

Grab your dictionary (hopefully you know how to use it) and check the meaning of omniscient and 'all knowing' or if easier for you, Google.
When you LEARN the meanings, then you will show yourself. Don't be lazy now...
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by beolay2k: 8:41pm On Sep 25, 2016
There is no two ways about how u expect this question of urs to be answered then for u to follow ur believe.
1. Some people will agree with me that there is no hell cos God said he created everything perfectly.
2. God is all knowing as he knows u even before creating u.
3. He is God and knows the beginning and ur end.
4. People take about choice which I don't even believe we have when u believe there is God cos there is no step u take that he is not aware of.
5. Lastly I want to throw this question back to the writer and its that the first commandment in the Bible says that one should not worship any other God except the Almighty God but yet the Christians believe Jesus is God.

Please not am not in for a debate just expressed my view about the topic. Many thanks

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Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by bobkezel(m): 8:44pm On Sep 25, 2016
Spiff20:
may God forgive your sheer stupidity and myopic ignorance.

just so u know, i dont need ur stupid dog's abi na god forgiveness. Let him forgive himself first for all the war crimes he committed in ur stupid bible.
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by endyme(m): 8:48pm On Sep 25, 2016
Hell Means Mankind Common Grave.
But If You Say There Is A Place Of Torment, Then Thing About These: 1. Where Is It Located? 2. Who In Bible Times Had Been There 3. Who Was The First Person Who Suppose To Be There? 4. What Is The Wages For Sin? Gen 3:19, Rom 6:23 5. How Can You Reconcile This Doctrine With Resurrection? John 5:28 6. Can A God Of Love Realy Do This? Jere 7:31, Ijohn 4:8
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Funkyswagzz(m): 8:49pm On Sep 25, 2016
There's no simple ans to this. There r so many thingz about God that iz misterious
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Zellie: 8:50pm On Sep 25, 2016
this god doesn't seem like a nice guy. with an ego the size of jupiter angry
Re: Why Does God Create People When He Knows They Are Going To Hell? by Zenlife: 8:50pm On Sep 25, 2016
Smallville10:
rightly said

Wrongly said!

Choices wrongly or rightly made ain't it.
The omniscient is expected to know prior to or upon creation before dispersing souls to this randy sphere who will err or using your analogy, fail, thus why create that which will fail as originally programmed by the omniscient? Only to then be disappointed and cast them to the furnace. As the omniscient, the furnace by and large ain't necessary to exist in the first place. Rather if in the design of the omniscient, failure is deliberate, an expected result, then they who fail actually passed due to the original design of the omniscient and should therefore be appraised, not condemned.
Contradictions breed doubts!

So why hell? Why heaven?

At any rate...

Hell's address please?
Heaven's address please?
Even an imaginary address may suffice...

It amazes that even the prolific educated can even kill on an assumed imaginary friend with an imaginary dwelling.

Man is truly irrational and his own enemy because of FEAR. Fear been the greatest enemy, a manipulative tool. FEAR, A great weapon for religion.

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