KingEbukasBlog:


So you sabi ask questions like this , but if it were a thread that derides Christian beliefs or make Christians look bad , no questions are asked , no close examinations of the claims , front page straight .

Move this to front page so that every Nairalander who attended the school would be involved so that we can ascertain the truth . His claims were seen by all , the investigation should be seen by all .

That is the only way to get the truth out. The Pastor to Atheist thread graced the front page and Futarians quickly spotted the inconsistencies so let this run the same course.

If the information damogul provided were wrong then they would also point it out.

KingEbukasBlog:


So you sabi ask questions like this , but if it were a thread that derides Christian beliefs or make Christians look bad , no questions are asked , no close examinations of the claims , front page straight .

Move this to front page so that every Nairalander who attended the school would be involved so that we can ascertain the truth . His claims were seen by all , the investigation should be seen by all .

I couldn't concur more.

KingEbukasBlog:


So you sabi ask questions like this , but if it were a thread that derides Christian beliefs or make Christians look bad , no questions are asked , no close examinations of the claims , front page straight .

Move this to front page so that every Nairalander who attended the school would be involved so that we can ascertain the truth . His claims were seen by all , the investigation should be seen by all .

I don't think it should be on front page just yet
There will be lots of irrelevant comments
It's better this way, for now.

HardMirror:

Hehehehe. Mistake? That was no mistake. You intentionally slot all the lies in just to discredit me by all means. Lol
Lying for jesus ministries.

I know you guys well, you are not after the truth. No wonder you all keep calling everyone liars.

And you are still here talking? Mr Christian hatist

mrmrmister:


I don't think it should be on front page yet
There will be lots of irrelevant comments
It's better this way, for now.

Same way there were a lot of irrelevant comments on the Pastor to Atheist thread but it did not stop it from staying on the front page did it?

truthhurts2well:


Same way there were a lot of irrelevant comments on the Pastor to Atheist thread but it did not stop it from staying on the front page did it?

Don't get me wrong, I want it to be on front page
But not until the investigation is complete
And that's going to be difficult if irrelevant comments keep coming in every second.

Seun:
I have just changed the title of the thread. So this thread is for discussing the specific claim that was disputed by damogul in this thread.

This is bias of you, if the evidence is not true then the story/confession can't be taken. Mr Seun Osewa be a fair umpire here, with all you've been writing tonight I have the conviction that you are taking side. Don't allow your emotions dictate to you please

HardMirror, please answer my question before people start getting banned for derailing this thread.

Seun:
The latest title is perfect.

Why did you change the title of this thread? WHY?

WHY?

Moreover, HardGuy's claim has been investigated in another thread opened by his hopefulfellow.

Why are you trying to shield liars?

rhektor:



And you are still here talking? Mr Christian hatist

speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron

KingEbukasBlog:


You lie !

I know why you dont want this to be moved to the site's front page . Because it will make atheists look bad . Nobody is stupid here .

Seun should move this to site's front page let Nigeria get involved . Everyone saw the dude's claims , it is logical that every gets involved in finding the truth . Everyone deserves to know the truth .

Enough of this bias

Okay
Seun pls move this thread to the home page

Seun:

HardMirror, why won't you reveal the name? Can you reveal it to me privately?


Did they say nobody died due to fasting, or that nobody died? The claim is that he died of ulcer which HardMirror thinks was caused by fasting.

HardMirror made a lot of claims basically saying he was a very spiritual brother. He included details such as the contentious one about the brother. For some reason, some guys in the thread felt his claims were not true. I for one believed the entirety of his story. As it happened one guy named howmon or so who happened to finish from the school and attended the said fellowship stepped up to say he wasn't aware of the said death of any member that year. A few others confirmed that no such event occured after offline conversations amongst demogul (hope I got that correct), howmon and hard mirror. HardMirror tried to discredit the report that wasn't in his favour but we were shown whatsapp chats of conversations that went on amongst the fellowship members (they have an active whatsapp group).

Also, despite that HardMirror appeared to be dead sure about the identity of the said deceased person, in his offline conversation with the fellowship member, he said he appeared unsure of the said deceased person, exposing a clear lie on his part.

A lot of atheists who had previously rooted for him had to call him out when it became all too obvious that his story had some sort of 'k-leg'. Notable among those who did was RaphieMontella who honourably dismissed HardMirror as lacking credibility.

Whilst it seemed a minute detail, no one knows how much modification has gone into the story - 1%, 10%, 60% or even a hundred. No one knows.

The most funny part of all these is that Hardmirror has refused to admit lying up till this moment even after he's been shamed and called out by people who stuck their necks out for him, previously

Hope this clarifies

truthhurts2well:
Nobody died! Period! Whether by ulcer, cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc

How can we be sure that the people who said nobody died are right? Could someone have died without their knowledge? If not, why not?

Mimzyy:

Did I state anywhere that I am a christian?

I am a Muslim. I just happen to have a christian background too.

Daaaaaaim.

The bolded shocked me.

Alhaja mimzy

SMH!

chrmn1:
As it happened one guy named howmon or so who happened to finish from the school and attended the said fellowship stepped up to say he wasn't aware of the said death of any member that year. A few others confirmed that no such event occured after offline conversations amongst demogul (hope I got that correct), howmon and hard mirror. HardMirror tried to discredit the report that wasn't in his favour but we were shown whatsapp chats of conversations that went on amongst the fellowship members (they have an active whatsapp group).

Also, despite that HardMirror appeared to be dead sure about the identity of the said deceased person, in his offline conversation with the fellowship member, he said he appeared unsure of the said deceased person, exposing a clear lie on his part.

Hope this clarifies

Thanks. I'm going through howmon's posts now

urahara:



Daaaaaaim.

The bolded shocked me.

Alhaja mimzy

Alhaji Pastor Urahara

Seun:


Ok, so either HardMirror made it up despite it not being an important detail in his story , or the information he got from his fellowship members was not accurate, or he was not a member of the fellowship that HardMirror thought he was a member of. Am I getting this right?

I told you to apply wisdom. Didn't I? Can you see the bolded? It's so amazing how it turns out to be not all evidences are important, not all loopholes can be corrected anymore.

Fine! What's important to you is that an Almighty pastor turned atheist, that's if it is even true. It won't be the first and it will never be the last. Infact you will hear more of those stories that are outstanding and quite unique than this and I'm sure that will make you feel good.

But hei, you're not the only one on this forum. You have what is important to you in this story but others are interested in correcting the loopholes, eventhough it seems you have the largest share of victory.

AND you know what, this loophole that isn't important has gone outside nairaland to the real world.

So I'll advice you to see the importance in it.

Seun:

[b]I dropped the hammer on damogul for breaking rule 8. [/b]If it turns out that he is the same person as naijadeyhia then he has broken rule 19 too.


I admire your concern for the accuracy of the story. I certainly wish that people had the same concern for other stories they've been told.


The latest title is perfect.

Rule 8 talks about posting false information. How did damogul post false information when futarians here have confirmed his report?

Scholar8200:
speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron

Because they do not want to retain God in their memories, God gave them a reprobate mind to do things that are not reasonable

HardMirror, . Pls, don't keep us doubting.

TheUmbra:


You all are making me wanting to go see the truckload of crap he wrote up there.


I've not read much and I'm picking holes already.... praying for 12 hours and speaking in tongues constituted 99% of their prayer time.... the poor boy was possessed by the deities from his father's village.

And, he converted thousands of souls but knows only 300+ by names.

The claims this made? But he wont answer any question posted to him.

Mimzyy:
SMH!

You should either express yourself more coherently and contribute something tangible to the discussion or remain silent.

Seun:

How can we be sure that the people who said nobody died are right? Could someone have died without their knowledge? If not, why not?

Oh! A fellowship executive will die without the knowledge of the members and fellow executives and it will be so known to an outsider. Seun

truthhurts2well:


Rule 8 talks about posting false information. How did damogul post false information when futarians here have confirmed his report?

meanwhile the real liar runs amok while a mock, evidently biased ' investigation' goes on!

Seun:

How can we be sure that the people who said nobody died are right? Could someone have died without their knowledge? If not, why not?

If they were lieing, the onus would be on hardmirror to reveal the identity of the deceased (which obviously I believe has no legal implications) or show proof that a brother died.

truthhurts2well:


Rule 8 talks about posting false information. How did damogul post false information when futarians here have confirmed his report?

this is so heart breaking.

I wonder how old men who are expected to teach little ones how to die for truth would be the one to murder the truth publicly.

this is shameful.

Seun:

How can we be sure that the people who said nobody died are right? Could someone have died without their knowledge? If not, why not?

5 different Alumni of the school who were there between 2007 and 2012 all said the same thing. They all said nobody died. Could they all be lying and Hardmirror alone be saying the truth?

Seun:
Thanks. I'm going through howmon's posts now

welldone Seun but I think you also need to speak to HopefulLandlord. He was the one that umpired the investigation or offline questioning and information gathering.I'm sure he can tell you a thing or two about this whole saga

Funjosh:

Oh! A fellowship executive will die without the knowledge of the members and fellow executives and it will be so known to an outsider. Seun

In other words, he was a fellowship executive. Noted. Like a judge I know nothing except what has been presented to me.