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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 11:07am On Jan 22, 2017 |
What kind of funny question is this? Why do you consider PROFITS and not LOSSES as the measure of your business success? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by val15: 11:08am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Ok |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by nocera(m): 11:09am On Jan 22, 2017 |
You sound like a Christian who likes learning and that's a good thing, especially now that many professed Christians argue the Scriptures even without having the slightest idea of what they're talking about and accurate Biblical truths to push forward their sentiments. But, sir I'd say given the sensitive nature of this argument and with the fact that many unbelievers and Infact, bitter critics of the Holy Scriptures are here and ready to pounce on this golden teaching, and trample it underfoot take delight in what we're doing now. If we are true Christians – and feel we want to ask sincere and sensitive questions like this on this medium, we should be open to everyone's opinion and contribution and refrain from being combative and view others' opinions as uninformed and unintelligent. I strongly kick against bringing up Holy things on platforms such as this except to inform, educate, exhort and testify the inspired messages we receive by the Holy Ghost while studying Scripture. Shalom. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Chuksaluta(m): 11:13am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by zubinike(m): 11:14am On Jan 22, 2017 |
This should solve our worries on tithing.......http://www.agape.com/tithe.htm |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by potent5(m): 11:14am On Jan 22, 2017 |
The Bible expects you to GIVE your tithe not PAY your tithe. This people will rather tell you to PAY your tithe 'as commanded' thereby playing with your psychology and even record your 'payments' as if it's mandatory. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by obowunmi(m): 11:15am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Tithing is a choice. Not the law. The point is to give. Those who give will receive. Whether you give to a church or give to the poor. There is blessing in giving. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 11:19am On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: The point she is making goes beyond the issue of tithe to the validity of the premise being used to demand the payment of tithe. And make no mistake, it is demanded. The point is religious organizations use funds for all sort of administrative reason that do not tie with the creation of a new and just society. People are told that they cannot inquire into the use of those funds as they are God's and only the pastor knows what the will of God for it is. A new testament church in ol testament priesthood robes! On the contrary the non jewish believe cried out when their widows were not cared for - this was a misuse - of the gifts of the saints and the Saints had no hesitation in crying out. Today people are told that they do not have a right to ask if they are being cared for because the offering has been made to God. It was a similar thing that Jesus spoke against when he rebuked the pharisees for saying that they were free from caring for their parents if the gift was made to the temple. God did not give his son for the establishment of any church organization or mission let no one be deceived that because Jesus rode on a donkey he will return on a donkey. God will use any available vessel but the letter to the churches indicates he has a [b]definite model [/b]for how that vessel will work. God desires a new society that will serve as light to the nation's; offering an example of what society looks like when God is in control. To attract and rebuke. If the vessel will not accept the priesthood of believers then it is not a church and it's claims must be regarded as religious humanism. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by tillaman(m): 11:19am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Didn't even notice at all!!Lol, I barely pay tithe sef, I only help d needy, I prefer that to tithing 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seguno2: 11:20am On Jan 22, 2017 |
stainlink: The Malachi book is addressed to Levites/priests on what they do with their own portion of the tithes they collect as detailed in Deuteronomy. You should read Malachi 1 to get the full gist. The Malachi 3: 8-10 is for the Levites/priests to leave the tithes that they collect in the synagogue/church as the storehouse of God so that the poor can have food. This is in line with Matthew 25: 35-40. Let us read the bible so we are not scammed by the charlatans who claim to represent god to their sheeple. My people perish for lack of knowledge. Knowledge of the word of God. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 11:20am On Jan 22, 2017 |
wow. I love this thread. first religious Christian thread that makes sense. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by gerg: 11:20am On Jan 22, 2017 |
What's the purpose of this thread? I do not get what the point of the poster is. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by hysteriabox(m): 11:23am On Jan 22, 2017 |
stainlink: Lol I love your response. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by adedehinbo(m): 11:27am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Christianity is a confused religion aim at enriching the pastors,imagine pastors collecting millions of tithes from members nd not dropping his own 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by kelly72: 11:30am On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian: My brother, I thought I was the only person who read Deuteronomy Chapter 14. There is another place, I think in Numbers Chapter 18. Look at it please. What we have is a complete bastardisation of the scriptures for selfish purposes. I once read out these 2 Chapters in a gathering one day and everybody was bewildered and told me I was not reading from the Bible. They had never heard of that part before. They argued that the Book of Malachy instructs them to take their tithes to their pastor, chikena. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by ilynem(m): 11:32am On Jan 22, 2017 |
1stCitizen:Dunno why everyone is quoting me on this tithe thing now. It's a very old thread and i don't think I have the stomach to argue on this anymore. Will just point out two things though from your post. 1. Paying Tithe came before the law. It wasn't a law set up by Moses. 2. It is not out of compulsion. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by emmynku(m): 11:36am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Frankly amidst all these verses or explanation.not even 1 said pay your tithe to your pastor! Tithing to pastors are so abused and it has bcome somewhat an embarrassment to christiandom. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seunmsg(m): 11:41am On Jan 22, 2017 |
melejo: So, how many times daily do your church provide meat for the poor and needy? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 11:43am On Jan 22, 2017 |
annunaki2:Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP) 21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’” |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CoolAmbience(m): 11:44am On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian: The veil is slowly being removed. OP, you have just been redeemed! 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CoolAmbience(m): 11:46am On Jan 22, 2017 |
annunaki2: You are blessed. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by adedayoa2(f): 11:46am On Jan 22, 2017 |
seunmsg:my church do that regularly |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by pennywys(m): 11:49am On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem:what did He said about tithe? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by CoolAmbience(m): 11:49am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Junia: Please ask them, I just don't get it? Pay tithe to who? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by hysteriabox(m): 11:50am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Churches-especially the pentecostals have done some terrible pick n choose to scripture. Tithing was mentioned in 3 circumstances in the bible, but only one stands as a command to the nation of Israel 1. Tithing as a historic custom- Abraham-Melchizedek 2. Tithing as a token of a promise- Jacob promisevto God at Penuel 3. Tithing as a Mosaic law- part of the commandments brought to Israel from God by moses So unless your custom enjoins you-of which we are not bound by our customs anymore- or you have a personal vow to God that has tithing as one of your obligations or you are a native Jew who still believes the law is still very active today-this means you going to the temple at Jerusalem annually to pay ( note only garins and such as were gotten from the fruitful earth of Israel is acceptable. So, you ll have to do your farming In Israel too), none of these apply to you. Today, we cant ascribe any of the above to the present church. But no, pastors won't have any of that. Some say "tithing predates the law, so it is applicable to today's believer no matter what". If so, I have a premise- if so, then what's good for the goose is good for the gander, the Sabbath day presates the law- God blessed it and exemplified it in the beginning. So, lets implement it now. "You must be stingy for not wanting to pay common tithe". Now that's the card swindlers use to get you. What fuels most ppl to give tithe is fear and insecurity- fear of being broke, peradventure and insecurity cos it's what is commonly being done. Most exceptionals had to march the lonely road of truth alone for awhile. SELAH 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seunmsg(m): 11:51am On Jan 22, 2017 |
adedayoa2: You mean I can walk into your church morning, afternoon and night and eat comfortably everyday? Oya, give me your church address. I will need to visit to satisfy my curiosity. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seunlayi(m): 11:51am On Jan 22, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:this is one of the aspects which you can detect a true church. In my church, tithes & offering is always played down, it is the shortest activity in any deeperlife church. The prayer over it takes less than a minute, dropping it in the bag is done almost in the background with no time allocated to it. It is not compulsory, it is if you have..... 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seguno2: 11:52am On Jan 22, 2017 |
petra1: What can be your benefit in twisting Bible passages by quoting them incompletely and out of context to provide a FALSE reading thereof? For what benefit? In exchange for what curse? Why paint God as an author of confusion, when He clearly is not? The next verses, 23-27 of the Deuteronomy 14 you quoted says what is to be done yearly: 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. The difference with the third year is that you don't have to go away to a special place to EAT and ENJOY your tithe with others. You stay in your house and EAT it with others. The Numbers 18 that you quoted was also out of context as shown below: 20 And the Lord spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. It is what the Levites collected from the annual tithes offerings that they were supposed to use for sacrifice on behalf of other Israelites while leaving some in the storehouse for the poor to also eat from. From what we read in Malachi 1 onwards, the Levites were not doing this correctly hence the warning for the Levites in Malachi 3: 8-10. Jesus Christ clearly indicated in Matthew 25: 35-40 how to give things, including tithes unto God. See below: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by seguno2: 11:57am On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: When Jesus spoke about it in Matthew 23:23 was He dead and resurrected? No! Had he FULFILLED the law by His death and resurrection? No!! If a law/contract is FULFILLED, do you need to still work under the law/contract? No!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by kolaish(m): 11:58am On Jan 22, 2017 |
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE PROBLEM WITH PAYING TITHE? IT IS VOLUNTARY AND NO PASTOR HAS EVER FORCED ANYBODY TO PAY. SO, WHY THE NOISE ALWAYS ABOUT TITHE? IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, WHY NOT ASK/CONFRONT YOUR PASTOR ABOUT IT OR LOOK FOR A CHURCH WHERE U WILL NOT BE ASKED TO PAY TITHE. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 11:59am On Jan 22, 2017 |
ilynem: There was no way Jesus would have condemned tithing at the time, since it was still the dispensation of the law. The moment He died, all the law was fulfilled. Tithing belongs in the era of the law. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by southpole: 11:59am On Jan 22, 2017 |
Enasuarez:Going by your preaching addicted tithers like you should have been the richest people in d world not the likes of Dangote who is not even a christian talk less of paying tithe 2 Likes 1 Share |
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