~Sauron~:

Which Afghan hijacker?
Bring out the details and letz look at it.

honeric01:

The afghan hijacker never was imprisoned?  

honeric01:

http://lionheartuk..com/2008/05/plane-hijacker-working-at-heathrow.html

that's for you. you can as well read what the real English people are saying about their justice system and how it has failed woefully.

debosky:

Although it is not clearhow the Afghan authorities would treat deported asylum seekers, those held responsible for the hijack would be executed under Islamic Law. All but a few of the 3,000 Afghans who applied for asylum in Britain last year won exceptional leave to remain.

~Sauron~:


They are asylum seekers. . . . . .

jay bee:

the crime (highjacking) wasn't committed in the UK though so still a lil diff

honeric01:

Maybe you need to read this mr man.

http://lionheartuk..com/2008/05/plane-hijacker-working-at-heathrow.html

what evidence do you want again?

honeric01:

Asylum seeker indeed, but they came in by hijacking a plane. is that not an offense and how sure is their claim that they ran away from the Taliban?

debosky:

Even the article you posted said their convictions were QUASHED by the Appeals Court. Was the Nigerian's appeal quashed? NO.

Again, the legal cases are different - one set is trying to escape a harsh environment where they would otherwise have beeen killed, one guy is repeatedly breaking the law even though he's been in the country for a while and should know better.

~Sauron~:

They won their appeal and the convictions were QUASHED which means they don't even have a criminal record.
Besides, they sought asylum which means they can never be thrown back to where they will get killed.
Human Right Act is the KEY here not the codswallop you keep typing.

honeric01:

Oh now it's now based on human right act? then maybe they should also quashed the case against the DISABLED man on a human right act since His driving offense is equivalent to deportation according to UK legal system which doesn't look anything close to perfect to me.

debosky:

Quit arguing blindly - their offense was deemed to be in protection of their human rights. They didn't know the law and just decide to break it for the fun of it. This Nigerian had broken the law TWICE - had been warned of consequences and went and committed a THIRD offense.

Unfortunately you are unable to distinguish the clear issues here - his disability is NOT life threatening. He was living in Nigeria till 96 on a wheelchair, i.e for close to 30 years so he obviously can survive in Nigeria. The Afghans would have been KILLED.

There is no comparison between willful disobedience of laws by the Nigerian to the Afghans trying to save their lives.

honeric01:

Are you making things up or you just want to type something? what makes you think his condition is not life threatening? who told you he was living in Nigeria till 96? and how are you sure he was disabled and was on a wheelchair when he was in Nigeria?

lastly, is committing a THIRD DRIVING [/b]offense equivalent to a deportation? (show me where it is in the English law) and is driving offense not civil offense or is it a criminal offense?

debosky:

Dude he had POLIO - that is a childhood disease so he definitely was using a wheelchair in Nigeria. How is living in a wheelchair life threatening if he had done that in Nigeria for over 30 years previously? He came into the UK between 94 and 96.

Don't be pedantic - he was convicted and served a prison sentence. A prison sentence is grounds for deportation, not the driving incident per se.

If you are convicted and serve prison time (as he did) then you are liable for deportation. SIMPLE

debosky:

Dude he had POLIO - that is a childhood disease so he definitely was using a wheelchair in Nigeria. How is living in a wheelchair life threatening if he had done that in Nigeria for over 30 years previously? He came into the UK between 94 and 96.

Don't be pedantic - he was convicted and served a prison sentence. A prison sentence is grounds for deportation, not the driving incident per se.

If you are convicted and serve prison time (as he did) then you are liable for deportation. SIMPLE

honeric01:

But in 2007 Mr Onwubiko was sentenced to five months in prison for driving while disqualified after twice being convicted of careless driving, once after jumping a red light.

he came to the UK 1994 and since been married with kids, according to the reports, when he was in the prison for that 5 months, he was not granted health assistance so his health deteriorated, if you read the article, all the same. if others who also served jail terms are allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds, then he's also qualified for that because his health has also deteriorated and might die if he's deported to Nigeria where he might not have access to medications.

honeric01:

why would he still be put in prison after completing his 5 months sentence, isn't that a violation? they are still transferring him from one prison to another even after he has completed his sentence.

debosky:

Don't mix apples with oranges - the 'others' you mentioned had their convictions OVERTURNED - i.e no criminal record and no conviction.

Let the court decide if he might die if deported to Nigeria - I have seen no such evidence as yet.

He was sent to prison because he couldn't be held at the Dover Immigration Centre and not for any other reason. He is due to be deported and he likely being held in custody till that time to prevent absconding.

Let the court decide whether his rights have been violated or not.

honeric01:

So it's okay by you for someone who only committed an offense worth 5 months to be repeatedly put in jail since 2007? is that okay by you? if they think he's going to run, why not put him on a house-arrest or is he going to run too? this is just not good, just for a driving offense and jumping a red light. sucks big time and it still shows that the English law is something the judiciary twist at their convenience.

eldee:

We made the laws to govern ourselves. We don't want repeat offenders in our country, I don't want to lose my 6 year old niece to some slowpoke that has refused to take driving lessons.
Do as you wish in Nigeria, we don't do that here . . . people that disrespect a law made for our safety should be punished.
We can't let this set a bad precedence and have a million people thinking they can do the same thing and escape without jail term.

eldee:

We made the laws to govern ourselves.

Do as you wish in Nigeria, we don't do that here . . . people that disrespect a law made for our safety should be punished.
We can't let this set a bad precedence and have a million people thinking they can do the same thing and escape without jail term.

presido1:

You have just confirmed what the other guy said about the British law.

presido1:

Some peeps asked if the cat Bolivian guy committed any crime, Is being illegal not a crime?

eldee:

Nope.

presido1:

Are you kidding me? Once something is forbidden by law it becomes a crime. If being illegal is a country is not a crime then what is it.

NordicRace:

this is modern time slavery, when he was useful to them, they exploited him, now that they have more young and vibrant "slaves" coming to their country, they want to dispose the old and tired ones. A leopard will never change its spot. (BRITAIN)


NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO COME TO BRITAIN. NO ONE IS BRINGING NIGERIANS HERE IN CHAINS.

Nnenna1:


This dude/dudette should be banned.