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Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 9:32pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
skfa1: And i can also cite several cases where a criminal was sent back despite having a British wife and a kid here. That the judge decided to waive the deportation order is out of compassion and his discretion. . . . .There's no law that says a criminal who has a British wife cannot be deported. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by adconline(m): 9:35pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
If you drive in the UK without driving documents, it's a civil case. You don't even have to be in Court and the maximum punishment you can get is some few points off your driving license(when u eventually get it) and some sorta fine. This man drove under the influence. You are yet to prove that he drove under influence This man went to Prison for 5 months. Obviously, his crime was more than driving without a license. Can you prove more than what we have read from this newspaper? It seems you know more than what we have read from this article |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 9:39pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
adconline: I don't need to prove he drove under the influence. I stay in this city and i know that is what drivers get and tell you what. . . . .He musta been a prolific offender to get such sentence. When a crime of this nature is committed. . . . .There are mitigating factors the judge tends to look at before delivering his sentence. Is he a first offender? Is he having trouble with his marriage and reh reh reh? For this man to have spent 5 months in Prison. . . . .He musta driven under the influence.
I know more cos i have heard about hundreds of cases like this. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by chamotex(m): 9:40pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
A disabled athlete who has won five gold medals for Britain was set to be deported to Nigeria last night after losing his legal battle to live in the UK. Okay how was he able to represent Britain without being British? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by debosky(m): 9:42pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
adconline: |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by adconline(m): 9:59pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
I don't need to prove he drove under the influence. U should not have brought it up in the first place. I was pointing out the fact that repeat offense could be be upgraded to attract a jail term. U never argued that careless driving would move someone closer to deportation. You started off by insisting that the guy in question must have had a DUI, now it's careless driving as written on the newspaper. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 10:11pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
~Sauron~: you must have skipped alot of information on this issue, go and look at the date he represented Britain in these competitions, he has spent more than 12 years in Britain, so he is even qualified for a passport due to how long he has stayed in the UK, so what are you driving at? you are the one jumping the issue on ground and trying to paint yours to suite your argument. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Nobody: 10:21pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
Presumably his convictions for drink-driving would have sabotaged any application he made fo UK citizenship, which is granted not as a right but at the discretion of the Home Office. That is why Onwubiko was subject to eviction after the completion of his sentence. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 10:23pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
honeric01: U can spend 30 years in the UK and not get a British Passport. Maybe that is what confuses you. . . . .400 years in the UK means nowt. . . . .U still have to apply to become a British citizen. The passport won't fly to come n meet you at home. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 10:32pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
~Sauron~: but he was allowed to represent their country twice and not even at the same time, so he represented the country without being a citizen, isn't that a violation of the law? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 10:38pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
honeric01: It is not!!! The screening required to represent Britain in any Sporting event is not intense. Representing Britain in a competition is NOT life threatening. Driving carelessly is life threatening and intensive background checks are done to fish out the bad eggs in cases like this. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 10:46pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
~Sauron~: what are you driving at? break the law, an international law is not a crime, but driving while already disqualified is a crime? by the way, who allowed him to drive in the first place when they knew he was disabled? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 10:52pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
honeric01: How is it a crime if i say i am British when i am not to a Basketball coach? How does that affect national security? Do you know the huge number of Nigerian students who avoided paying international fees in various Universities in this country by lying they were born British? No formal checks are done for such schitzos. You are what you say you are. The English man can't be bovvered about such.
So you expect the Police to stand at the entrance of his house and monitor if a disabled man is driving a car out of his house? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Nobody: 11:01pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
honeric01: You are going off on a tangent here. He was sent to prison for driving under the influence an action which is regarded as a direct threat to human life. Now you are juxtaposing it with the offence of lying in order to represent the country in sports. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 11:03pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
~Sauron~: man, try to always make concrete points, he went to an international competition without the country knowing he's not eligible and you are excusing them for that? did he pick himself? and when he was applying, did he blindfold them all before they chose him? if something like this happened, how are you sure this is not a mistaken identity case? ~Sauron~: lol, so who issued him his driving license? ghost or he stole it? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 11:05pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
tensor777: what are you talking about? i am trying to point out loopholes in this case, how did someone with no British passport represent Britain twice in an international tourney, that's what i am driving at. so hope you understand what i am talking about? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 11:07pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
honeric01: It is their country. . . . . .They can twist their laws as they so wish. Of course, the system is not fool proof but the real McCoy is that this man was tried in a court of Law and was found Guilty. Definitely, his mitigating factor that he once represented Britain in a competition woulda been brought up in Court and the judge can't be arsed about it. He committed a crime and that has put paid to his hopes of ever getting a British passport.
What if he didn't possess a driving license before driving? What if he already had a license before he got disabled? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Nobody: 11:18pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
There are disabled driving licences and specially fitted cars for disabled people. So the question of how he got a driving licence in the first place is neither here nor there. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 11:19pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
~Sauron~: so it's okay if they twist their law and even international law and do as they please with a foreigner they exploited just to satisfy themselves? ~Sauron~: so you can be allowed to drive in UK with driving license? a car would be sold to you without showing them your driving license? you can successfully live in UK for more than 12 years and just 5 months in prison with all these attitude, is that what you are trying to paint or is it that uk is just too f.ucked up that anything goes? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 11:21pm On Dec 14, 2009 |
tensor777: bro, do me a favor, when you want to contribute in a conversation between 2 people, at least try to know where they are coming from and where they are going to. the issue of driving license and issuance started from another discussion, just to understand that part first. thanks |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by presido1: 1:05am On Dec 15, 2009 |
~Sauron~:You have said it all, and they can only twist when it involves a foreigner and that is called , Guys there is no where it is written in the news that the guy drove under the influence of anything. ~Sauron~:I don't believe you wrote this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/24/john-obi-mikel-banned, he did not go to prison for this only fine and ban why is Onwubiko's case diff. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by eldee(m): 1:06am On Dec 15, 2009 |
David Wood, head of criminality and detentions at the UK Border Agency, said: "In light of a number of criminal convictions, Vincent Onwubiko was notified on 13 November 2007 of a decision to make a deportation order against him. We have fully considered his case and made sure that his human rights are not breached. This decision has been reviewed and upheld by an immigration judge. The UK Border Agency has not been presented with a European Court of Human Rights injunction preventing his removal and we have not received any new representations from either Mr Onwubiko or his representatives." Let's not play dumb here . . . It's obvious it was a criminal conviction. The papaers are just trying to downplay the criminal part. Ever wondered why they highlighted the 'five golds' and then ignored it all through the rest of the article?? Yellow journalism at it's best. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 1:08am On Dec 15, 2009 |
honeric01: Stop being difficult and listen attentively. If a foreigner commits a crime that attracts a Prison sentence, the judge can authorise his deportation order. It's a matter of the judge's discretion. This Naija man was slammed with a deportation order cos he's a prolific offender. SIMPLE!!!! That is the law of the land.
Who says you need a driving license in the UK to buy a car? Which planet are you from?
If anything goes in the UK, the Naija man would have escaped a Prison sentence and a deportation order. It is very simple. Do the crime, do the TIME. The Naija man committed a crime and he deserves his punishment. Whether he's married to a Brit or not does not matter here if he has not converted his ILR into a British passport. There are people carrying their ILRs for more than 40 years and they cannot convert it into a British passport because of their criminal records and the compulsory test applicants now take to get it. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 1:20am On Dec 15, 2009 |
~Sauron~:so he's now a nigerian but when he was winning trophies for them, he was a Briton. to hell with them all ~Sauron~: ok, lets say you don't need that to buy a car but they were still the same person that gave him the license when they knew he was disabled and might be a problem to the public driving. ~Sauron~: like i said before, he's no longer a Briton after he has been 100% exploited. good point Mr Briton. ~Sauron~: yes, a traffic offense, didn't kill anyone, don't use the word "CRIME" like he killed someone or raped someone, all the offense outlined on the article and traffic related so is deportation the capital punishment for traffic offense? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by eldee(m): 1:28am On Dec 15, 2009 |
honeric01: He commited a crime when he drove while disqualified. He actually disregarded the concern for public safety by driving after having close shaves. That was a criminal offence . . . besides anyone in the UK knows that most careless driving cases are DUI cases without undeniable proof. David Wood, head of criminality and detentions at the UK Border Agency, said: "In light of a number of criminal convictions, Vincent Onwubiko was notified on 13 November 2007 of a decision to make a deportation order against him. Note the use of the word 'criminal conviction[b]s[/b]' . |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Sauron1: 1:39am On Dec 15, 2009 |
honeric01: As if this will stop his deportation.
He might have gotten the driving license before he became disabled. U are not sure of what actually transpired so don't speculate.
It was his fault he allowed himself to be expoloited. He musta been the one that dragged himself to where they were screening athletes. Coaches don't go into people's house to beg em to come and do screening.
U don't have to KILL to be a criminal. The laws are spelt out boldly. . . . . .U cannot drive without a driving license and if you do and you get caught. . . . .be prepared to do the time. |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by Shooga27: 1:55am On Dec 15, 2009 |
woW,God help him out, I seek Lord Favour at dis hour.Amen |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by vislabraye(m): 2:07am On Dec 15, 2009 |
I've never heard of something like this. It's absurd. Whatever crime or offense he has committed, he is still a British citizen. After spending over ten years in the country and also representing that same country in a competition should mean that he is a citizen. The worse they can do is to extend his jail term or seize his driver's license. For instance, i can't imagine U.S.A deporting Hakeem Olajuwon if he commits an offense. Or does he have a different citizenship from the rest ? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 2:08am On Dec 15, 2009 |
eldee: so the punishment for traffic offense is deportation? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by gongoaso1: 2:09am On Dec 15, 2009 |
@eldee and co It's apparent some people will never understand what the LAW really is. Aeons of breaking traffic laws and rules in Nigeria has sunken into their existence they see no need to obey simple law. The man broke a law, he's facing the music, country of origin or previous exploits will not help him out. We are only crying foul cos he's a Nigerian. . . . he's represented them b4. . . so. . . he can drive when he was told not to You can't but wonder how some peeps reason so crappily |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by honeric01(m): 2:13am On Dec 15, 2009 |
~Sauron~: too bad, it won't if the silly judge successfully follow out his plan ~Sauron~: You should also stop the speculation of him committing another crime that was never listed in the article. ~Sauron~: i still maintain, how did he get picked when he was never a citizen? ~Sauron~: so your UK traffic offense gets a deportation as punishment? is that what the UK law states? deportation for more than one traffic offense? |
Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by hbrednic: 2:23am On Dec 15, 2009 |
~Sauron~:you must be a citizen of a country before you can represent them in any international sporting event, the country you are about to represent must show your passport to the appropiate sport governing body. dragging urself to the screening whatever makes no meaning. |
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