Maximus69:
achorladey can quote JWs publications against JWs ,so it's obvious he was a former JW and now a Judas behind the scene!
He thought Tatime was just joking calling him a fugitive, it's after i denied him as my brother that i discovered OLAADEGBU and johnw47 also denied him! Now it's so obvious he has no place of rest!

Maximus69:
achorladey can quote JWs publications against JWs ,so it's obvious he was a former JW and now a Judas behind the scene!
He thought Tatime was just joking calling him a fugitive, it's after i denied him as my brother that i discovered OLAADEGBU and johnw47 also denied him! Now it's so obvious he has no place of rest!

Maximus69:
Your problem is lack of intellect!
You're quoting a book that i also could just start quoting against you in the presence of audience. I said SOMETHING visible that a neutral individual could SEE to know that what someone did is evil!
Well for your information you're just ARGUING and your arguments lacks substance as in immaterial!
Say something that all eyes can SEE not just quoting the book that everyone can start quoting to say you don't know a thing from it!

Maximus69:

Maximus69:

Maximus69:
Go and sleep!

Maximus69:
They're claiming none denominational,yet they're all sticking to the old tradition of the churches!
Even the Catholic Church that fabricated they whole hellfire saga and inserted it into their own interpretations have declared it FALSE.
But since JWs are the only group working hard to separate falsehood and traditions from facts,everyone will start attacking you if you're not in agreement with their hellfire doctrines thinking you're a JW who must be vilified as outcasts!

Ubenedictus:
Abeg which catholic church decleared hell to be false?

Maximus69:
Please educate us on the doctrine of purgatory. Are people going to be tormented in hell forever or they will be redeemed through PURGATORY?
The conception on hell is that sinners will remain there forever but it's like i never grasp the idea of Catholic's purgatory!

Ubenedictus:
I thought you made a claim that catholics dont teach hell now you are asking me a question.

Decide which position u are taking, are you saying d catholic church doesnt teach hell or are you asking abt purgatory?

Maximus69:
If the Catholics teaches purgatory, then the teaching of hellfire wouldn't correlate.
Hellfire teaching says victims will be tormented forever,and Purgatory teaching says victims will be redeemed. Please the fact that you attend the Catholic Mass doesn't mean you fully understand the teaching.
Catholics teaches purgatory and that invalidates the teaching of eternal torment[Hellfire], hence the Pope publicly declared that Catholics discard the idea of Hellfire since it contradicts the purgatory teaching and they must choose one!

Ubenedictus:
now you want to teach me the catholic faith abi?

The catholic church has taught both hell and purgatory, they do not invalidate each other, they instead compliment.

If you dont know ask and stop making untrue claims.

The story you screenshot was rebuted by the vatican.

Ubenedictus:
now you want to teach me the catholic faith abi?

The catholic church has taught both hell and purgatory, they do not invalidate each other, they instead compliment.

If you dont know ask and stop making untrue claims.

The story you screenshot was rebuted by the vatican.

brocab:
Than we should ask Maximus69 what does the JW's preach about Hell-"nothing?

Maximus69:
Of course they will deny, because that's what they've laid down for all these protestants since 200ad.
If they should suddenly debunk it,then all the religious groups hanging on the doctrine of hellfire including Islam will become totally confused. Do you know what that means?
Well i think you have heard the truth today,so it's left to you to decide whether to make a thorough research for more insight or remain in confusion! Revelations 18:4
Remember the last Pope tender his resignation for a reason best known to him and kept in secret!
I put it to you that the Vatican is totally confused on this issue but if you feel that is a lie,please draw out the analysis and lets see the correlation between the teaching of Hellfire and Purgatory!

Maximus69:
Genesis 2:17, 3:19, Psalms 37:9-11, Proverbs 2:20-22Ecclesiastes 3:19,20, Ecclesiastes 3:19,20,9:4-10 All these can be found in any version of the Bible,so it is not easy for some group of people to trow the whole earth in darkness simply because they are religious title chiefs and want to interpret what they were not granted the spirit to do so!

Maximus69:
The Catholics have fed you with the teaching of hellfire for close to 2,000 years and all the religious groups thereafter have been misled by that teaching as the committee scrupulously inserted the idea while compiling the Bible. But instead of investigating to ascertain if this idea is from the true God,all your lazy religious leaders kept building on the false idea and continue in opposing one another in confusion.
So it doesn't matter what Jehovah's Witnesses teach but making research to find out if the idea of sustaining living creatures under excruciating pains for all eternity correlates with what God said in the beginning about disobedient intelligent creatures! Genesis 2:17, 3:19, Psalms 37:9-11, Proverbs 2:20-22Ecclesiastes 3:19,20, Ecclesiastes 3:19,20,9:4-10
All these can be found in any version of the Bible,so it is not easy for some group of people to trow the whole earth in darkness simply because they are religious title chiefs and want to interpret what they were not granted the spirit to do so! They've succeeded in fooling most people in times past but they've not succeeded in fooling ALL THE PEOPLE all the time!

brocab:


The truth is, the Watchtower have gotten most of it's teachings from the Catholic Church' in the first place--Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants, [/color]Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings, "and by his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his “studies” continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity.
So because Russell denied Hell-it doesn't mean his right-matter of fact most Christians wouldn't dare to change the scriptures, because of Russell's beliefs, the Lord said: test everything {1 Thessalonians 5:21} 'speciously Russell's word-I wouldn't be surprise-where Russell is spending his eternity, in the same Hell he denied..
The two most common words for hell are hades and gehēnna. Hades was the Greek word for the realm of the dead, but Jesus uses it more specifically to refer to a place of torment {Luke 16:23} a place that is the opposite of heaven {Matt 11:23} Originally gehēnna referred to Hinnom Valley south of Jerusalem, where centuries earlier child sacrifice was practiced {2 Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:32}
By the time of Jesus, gehēnna was a picture of hell, such that Jesus warns "fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell [gehēnna]" {Matthew 10:28}

Janosky:

Your lies here strong oooo .
JW beliefs is very different from that of Catholics.

*** In the Greek Septuagint of the Hebrew Scriptures, Acts2:27 is a quote of Psalms 16:10 , the Hebrew word Sheol or grave was translated as hades Greek word for grave .
Mr brocab Hades or grave is NOT a place of torment. Eccl9:5-10. Gen3:19.

*** God condemned the practice of
burning children in fire as child sacrifice in Gehenna (Jer7:31. jer32:35) , Jesus can not disobey his Father and support the practice his Father had condemned .

Jehovah commanded the use of Gehenna as dump site for mass disposal (burial) of dead bodies (,jer19:2,6,10,11).
In the days of Jesus, that place was an incinerator /dump site.
No living person was thrown into Gehenna for any reason., Gehenna was NEVER a place of torment.

Jesus referenced Gehenna as
the symbol of destruction.

Hairyrapunzel:


How come the rich man who was dead and unconscious in the grave able to feel agony in fire?

I know you will soon say jesus told a fake story or jesus didn't mean hell as a literal place of torment

You know you people like putting thoughts in Jesus Christ's head.

Janosky:


Gubernatorial Candidate of Yaba /Uselu Kolo State ,you dey deceive
yourself dey think say you smart.

Yet,your brain no dey reason am say na your perimeter fence separate father Abraham in heaven and Rich man in hellfire?

So,una hellfire and heaven get one fence sotayy person for heaven and person for hellfire go dey yarn with unlimited credit,no poor network.
Lol

Ubenedictus:
It is torture to discuss with an arrogantly ignorant person.
The catholic church has consistently taught both hell and purgatory for 2000yrs and it is funny that u imagine we just became confused abt doctrines.

brocab:
I suppose if you are trying to connect-how about producing the right bible scriptures, try proving your theory that Hell doesn't exist?

These verses you have produced doesn't prove your argument--matter of fact it was a waste of time..
The truth is, the Watchtower have gotten most of it's teachings from the Catholic Church' in the first place--Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants, Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings, "and by his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his “studies” continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity.
So because Russell denied Hell-it doesn't mean his right-nor does it mean the Catholic Church is right about Purgatory, matter of fact bible believing Christians wouldn't dare to change the Word of God, let alone argue about it, this is why we stay on track with bible knowledge-the Lord said: test everything, test everybody, test the word, test our priest and pastors-test them all {1 Thessalonians 5:21} 'speciously Russell's word, I wouldn't be surprise-where Russell is spending eternity, in the same Hell he denied..
The two most common words for hell are hades and gehēnna. Hades was the Greek word for the realm of the dead, but Jesus uses it more specifically to refer to a place of torment {Luke 16:23} a place that is the opposite of heaven {Matt 11:23} Originally gehēnna referred to Hinnom Valley south of Jerusalem, where centuries earlier child sacrifice was practiced {2 Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:32}
By the time of Jesus, gehēnna was a picture of hell, such that Jesus warns "fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell [gehēnna]" {Matthew 10:28}

Maximus69:
Torture Certainly! as you can't provide a reasonable explanation on the rubbish the Catholics taught you
Arrogant NO!
Ignorant Probably,
Because i put it to you that for the past 2,000 years,the Vatican has been in confusion whether to hold onto the Hellfire or Purgatory!
So it's your duty now to give a comprehensive analysis on how both Purgatory and Hellfire correlates, your Viva Papa has chosen one but the Vatican silenced him. Why not explain if truthfully you're not just been heady about the complicated theories of Hellfire and Purgatory? For your information,that is why so many groups left the Roman Catholic Church till today!
Hmmm you're scared of becoming a laughing stock before Nairalanders, none of those so called churches of Protestants will agree with the teaching of Purgatory because it totally contradicts the doctrine of Hellfire!

Ubenedictus:
IT DOESNT, and i dont have the time to teach u either.

pope ben resigned becos of old age.

asalimpo:

show me where exactly i MANIPULATED JESUS WORDS. STOP making baseless claims. Besides,while u seek a direct answer,you ppl evade direct answers to ur lies because it will find you out.
You choose to decieved because any THINKING person with pri3 education can see the truth for himself by simply reading the bible.

Jozzy4:


Very very very silly somebody, you said hell is ~~Different~~ from lake of fire. You went ahead again to say lake of fire (which is different) is also Hell. Making how many hellS ?

Either you retract your statement that lake of fire is also hell or answer the question

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!!
Russel may have come from Buddhism, who cares?
Revelations 18:4 says come out of [Babylon the great]
So for someone to abandon a religious group and join another is clearly justified in the HOLY scriptures!
What is of utmost importance now is whether the second century church committee[Council of Nicaea] who TRANSLATED and COMPILED the Bible made mistakes or not, mind you 'it was the Bible writers that were inspired NOT the translators' therefore they are prone to blunders! Bible scholars from far and near have made a lot of research to know why the teaching of Hellfire have totally contradicted the whole idea from the beginning of the scriptures, and God has blessed them with insight so that they're able to fish out the adulteration added to suit the thinking of the committee that did that evil work!
So it's left for hard working students of the Bible like Maximus and others to make thorough investigations in order to know what really happend! Act 17:11
While billions of lazy churchgoers like you keep leaning on what you can't correlate with the first 39 books of the Bible,simply because some greedy religious leaders are lying to you to keep you in the dark and making fortunes due to your ignorance! Romans 10:2,3 Galatians 1:14
And in a bid to keep you in the dark,they're telling you that the sacred writings is a MYSTERY so that you won't try any inquiry to find out why their teaching is incomprehensible but don't bother,you can remain in the dark Sir, we have learnt that the term 'MYSTERY' belongs to BABYLON THE GREAT! Revelations 17:5 compared to 2Thessalonians 2:7

Maximus69:
The last Pope before Francis resigned immediately when appointed!
Because he is overage,yet the Vatican appointed him as the next Viva Papa after John Paul
Of course there is nothing tangible to teach when your Vatican that's supposed to teach you themselves are confused!

TATIME:

@brocab, Please! Please!! Why not sincerely Google 'Council of Nicaea' to know the History of the churches and how all these Misinformation, Misrepresentation and misconceptions began. It will help you a lot instead of just arguing blindly because what that council laid down has gain ground in the life of lazy churchgoers like you!

Ubenedictus:
The pope before Francis was Benedict xvi, he didnt resign immediately he was elected, he was pope for over 5 years before he resigned because his strength was failing and he was old.

You are the person confused as usual, purgatory is for the the just(ified) whose sanctification wasnt completed here on earth, and God purifies them at judgement according to 1 cor 3,
hell is for the damned, the wicked, the reprobate.

Hope u can now see the difference? The is nothing confusing there and the vatican is pretty clear abt it.

Ubenedictus:
The council of Nicaea did not misinform or misrepresent anything, these was a gathering of bishops whom many among them had already lost eyes, legs or arms due to persecution not apostates, they came from all over the know world to clearly proclaim the christian faith.

there teaching is clear and it certainly condemn the arian heresy the jw believe.

Maximus69:
OK so the place where the dead goes is in three fractions!
¤The dead of the holy ones goes to where?
¤JUSTIFIED but yet purified goes to Purgatory!
¤DAMNED,WICKED and REPROBATE goes to hell!
Well-done Sir,it is the Bible that's causing the confusion NOT you nor your Vatican!
Because the Bible teaches that all the dead are going to HELL[Grave]! Job 14:13, Ecclesiastes 9:10, Psalms 16:10, Act 2:31 Revelations 20:13
Had it been that the Bible made mention of Purgatory this wouldn't have been an issue, thanks for correcting the INSPIRED Bible writers on the what they supposed to have written but forgot [PURGATORY]!

Ubenedictus:
1ST, Hades is mention in different senses in the bible, both as the general abode of the dead and a place of torment particularly in the case of the rich man.

the bible also talks abt purgatory, when it mentions purification and salvation for the imperfect believer in 1 cor 3