rottennaija:


Thanks. I don't have any interest in responding in kind to him through verbal abuse, insult, name calling etc. Otherwise, I wouldn't be any different from him. Thanks ones again.

Someday, he will understand that we are not the enemy.

"Rotten" na D name U give your self.
. You are a self confessed ex-JW ,who is against JWs and spreads misinformation about JWs on this forum.
To serve Jehovah no be by force.
A beg stay your lane

Maximus69:
Because God told Adam 'you will die', you and your folks have argued tirelessly that it was a spiritual death because God has cut Adam off.

Again you need to test the Word-and study....
In {Genesis 2:17} God tells Adam regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, “in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die!
Is this saying that Adam would die physically at the moment he ate from the tree? If so, then since Adam physically died 930 years later? Obviously ''he will surely die-doesn't mean he will die as soon as he ate the fruit..
So, either God was in error or man’s interpretation is in error. Since God cannot lie {"As you may think He does"} {Hebrews 6:18} then fallible humans must be making the mistake.
It is obvious Adam and Eve didn't die as soon as they ate of the fruit-they began to die and would return to dust {Genesis 3:19} If they were meant to die right then, the text should have simply used “dead, died, or die” and not beginning to die or surely die..
The Bible has a great deal to say about death and, more importantly, what happens after death. Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God.
Some skeptics haven't the slightest idea about different types of life, nor different types of death. A person can be physically alive and spiritually dead {Ephesians 2:1, 5}and vice versa {Matthew 22:32} When they sinned. {Genesis 3:7}
Adam was physically alive and spiritually dead after he sinned, but God didn't give up on him-God made us because He loved us, and He wanted us to love Him in return-the Bible says that God planned our salvation even “before the creation of the world” {Ephesians 1:4}
So yes even you have a chance to be saved, just like God saved Adam..
And the good news is that we don’t need to fear God’s judgment any longer, because Jesus Christ opened Heaven’s door to us by His death on the cross.

Maximus69:
OK Adam later joined God [in the spirit] after his spiritual death on earth!
So between God and Satan,who is the liar now?
Because God told Adam 'you will die', you and your folks have argued tirelessly that it was a spiritual death because God has cut Adam off. Now that Adam is dead physically,God has accepted his spirit to be with God in heaven abi?
Abeg when Bible students are talking just keep quiet,listen and learn!

Janosky:


"Rotten" na D name U give your self.
. You are a self confessed ex-JW ,who is against JWs and spreads misinformation about JWs on this forum.
To serve Jehovah no be by force.
A beg stay your lane

It would only be misinformation when it's not true. What I create publicity is true. Someday, you will know it is true

brocab:

Again you need to test the Word-and study....
In {Genesis 2:17} God tells Adam regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, “in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die!
Is this saying that Adam would die physically at the moment he ate from the tree? If so, then since Adam physically died 930 years later? Obviously ''he will surely die-doesn't mean he will die as soon as he ate the fruit..
So, either God was in error or man’s interpretation is in error. Since God cannot lie {"As you may think He does"} {Hebrews 6:18} then fallible humans must be making the mistake.
It is obvious Adam and Eve didn't die as soon as they ate of the fruit-they began to die and would return to dust {Genesis 3:19} If they were meant to die right then, the text should have simply used “dead, died, or die” and not beginning to die or surely die..
The Bible has a great deal to say about death and, more importantly, what happens after death. Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God.
Some skeptics haven't the slightest idea about different types of life, nor different types of death. A person can be physically alive and spiritually dead {Ephesians 2:1, 5}and vice versa {Matthew 22:32} When they sinned. {Genesis 3:7}
Adam was physically alive and spiritually dead after he sinned, but God didn't give up on him-God made us because He loved us, and He wanted us to love Him in return-the Bible says that God planned our salvation even “before the creation of the world” {Ephesians 1:4}
So yes even you have a chance to be saved, just like God saved Adam..
And the good news is that we don’t need to fear God’s judgment any longer, because Jesus Christ opened Heaven’s door to us by His death on the cross.

God created Adam PERFECT so that he could enjoy perfect health, talked to Adam one on one, gave Adam everything he needed, Adam disobeyed without tension, God declared judgment on Adam and Adam died 930 years later.
So after all said and done, Adam's abode has been changed from earth[that his action turned to a place of tension and discomfort for his descendants] to heaven[another perfect place] for disobeying his heavenly father!
His imperfect progenies who did the same thing under excruciating pains as they were born and bread under a discomforting situations, tensions due to lots and lots of life's anxieties, confusion due to different spirit beings saying various things to mislead them, various sicknesses and sudden death all due to Adam's disobedience will be tormented forever!
My friend, did you know that people like you are the cause of speedy rise and growth of atheism?
Well,for your information Adam died both physically and otherwise THAT SAME DAY!
We may wonder why God said Adam will die that same day but he lived 930 years longer, the Bible answered that when God say one day it is equivalent to one thousand years of man's life! 2Peter 3:8
So if no one between Adam and all his progenies ever lived up to 1,000 years,that means Adam died THAT SAME DAY from God's own viewpoint!

Maximus69:
So if no one between Adam and all his progenies ever lived up to 1,000 years,that means Adam died THAT SAME DAY from God's own viewpoint!

I think it's your own view point-if you really believe Adam died on the same day 'then explain this-Dr Do Little?
{Genesis 4:1-2} Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

Maximus69:
God created Adam PERFECT so that he could enjoy perfect health, talked to Adam one on one, gave Adam everything he needed, Adam disobeyed without tension, God declared judgment on Adam and Adam died 930 years later.
So after all said and done, Adam's abode has been changed from earth[that his action turned to a place of tension and discomfort for his descendants] to heaven[another perfect place] for disobeying his heavenly father!
His imperfect progenies who did the same thing under excruciating pains as they were born and bread under a discomforting situations, tensions due to lots and lots of life's anxieties, confusion due to different spirit beings saying various things to mislead them, various sicknesses and sudden death all due to Adam's disobedience will be tormented forever!
My friend, did you know that people like you are the cause of speedy rise and growth of atheism?
Well,for your information Adam died both physically and otherwise THAT SAME DAY!
We may wonder why God said Adam will die that same day but he lived 930 years longer, the Bible answered that when God say one day it is equivalent to one thousand years of man's life! 2Peter 3:8
So if no one between Adam and all his progenies ever lived up to 1,000 years,that means Adam died THAT SAME DAY from God's own viewpoint!

Ubenedictus:
Actually jehovah is not an english variant, erasmus manufactured the name by mixing the vowels of adonai to the consonants of the tetragram, at least we can trace the variants of Jesus' name from hebrew and aramaic to greek, then to the latin Iesus and then to english. nobody mixed different names together and manufactured a new one!

It will be beautiful if u can provide d letter from d church to Erasmus forcing him, let us see if it was not the case that erasmus was using a different and unpopular manuscript

Some scholars hold the view that Jehovah "mixing the vowels of adonay to the consonants of the tetragramatton " .

Na their opinion, every one is entitled to his.
Others scholars preferred Yahweh or Yehovah or similar ones.


**. "Jehovah is essentially a Germanic pronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH with vowels inserted....
The form Jehovah ,though, is very very commonly used"
(source: Wikipedia).


**** Erasmus first translation in 1516 (Novum Instrumentum Omne) and his 2nd (in 1519) never had the Johannine comma he inserted into the 3rd translation.

Erasmus was a Catholic all his life and his allegiance was to the Pope.

The official Catholic Church position on the Johannine comma testified to their solid support of the spurious insertion in 1John5:7.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the-johannine-gloss

"On the basis of manuscript evidence ,scholars seriously question their authenticity.
The comma is absent in all the ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament with the exception of four rather recent manuscripts that date from the 13th to the 16th centuries...... the Church considered it necessary in it's decree of January 13,1897 to caution it's scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of this passage"

The Catholic Church was solidly behind the insertion of the Johannine comma into 1John5:7.

Erasmus would not have started the translations with out Papal blessing.

So here we have it, Jehovah itself was a word created by mixing up 2 names.


Erasmus made 2 edition without the comma in the 16th century, and nobody beat him up or took him to the church court for wrongful translation, the church didnt excommunicate him but allowed the 2 editions without the comma!

So please tell us which letter u have that shows that Erasmus was forced even those the clearest explanation is that he used a different manuscript?

*

Ubenedictus:
So here we have it, Jehovah itself was a word created by mixing up 2 names.

Your claim is a conjecture not every scholar agrees with .
Besides YHWH also called Yahweh had the addition of two vowels to the consonants YHWH.
If u preferred Yahweh ,its OK.
If it's Jehovah ,you are still on point.

Ubenedictus:


Erasmus made 2 edition without the comma in the 16th century, and nobody beat him up or took him to the church court for wrongful translation, the church didnt excommunicate him but allowed the 2 editions without the comma!

So please tell us which letter u have that shows that Erasmus was forced even those the clearest explanation is that he used a different manuscript?

Janosky:










****


The official Catholic Church position on the Johannine comma testified to their solid support of the spurious insertion in 1John5:7.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the-johannine-gloss

"...... the Church considered it necessary in it's decree of January 13,1897 to caution it's scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of this passage"

The Catholic Church was solidly behind the insertion of the Johannine comma into 1John5:7.

Erasmus would not have started the translations with out Papal blessing.

Ubenedictus:


Erasmus made 2 edition without the comma in the 16th century, and nobody beat him up or took him to the church court for wrongful translation, the church didnt excommunicate him but allowed the 2 editions without the comma
So please tell us which letter u have that shows that Erasmus was forced even those the clearest explanation is that he used a different manuscript?

Your Catholic church owned website confirmed the Catholic Church "cautioned its scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of the passage(1st John 5:7 )",you are dodging the proof.
U no get your Pope phone contact? Call am nau?
Lol

brocab:

I think it's your own view point-if you really believe Adam died on the same day 'then explain this-Dr Do Little?
{Genesis 4:1-2} Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.

2Peter 3:8 Simple!
A day to you and i means 24 hours but a day to the one speaking at Genesis 2:17 is 1,000 years Period!

Janosky:


Your Catholic church owned website confirmed the Catholic Church "cautioned its scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of the passage(1st John 5:7 )",you are dodging the proof.
U no get your Pope phone contact? Call am nau?
Lol

Erasmus was a 16th century scholar, the document you are bringing was written in the 19th century abt 300 yrs after the death of erasmus.

So erasmus was instructed by the pope 300yrs after his death?
is that coherent in your mind?
that is what happens when u guys peddle false stories like ur false prophesies.

Ubenedictus:
Erasmus was a 16th century scholar, the document you are bringing was written in the 19th century abt 300 yrs after the death of erasmus.

So erasmus was instructed by the pope 300yrs after his death?
is that coherent in your mind?
that is what happens when u guys peddle false stories like ur false prophesies.

Mr man you can't dodge the truth.
For over 2 centuries,Your Pope never issued formal rebuttal of Johannine comma.
As a result of discovery of older more authentic Greek manuscripts, there were growing awareness among bible scholars that Erasmus third edition translation had a dubious insert in 1john5:7.
In 1897,the Catholic Church issued that decree to back the Johannine comma rather than flow with the growing wave of dissent to the TR. for obvious reasons-

Janosky:

Mr man you can't dodge the truth.
For over 2 centuries,Your Pope never issued formal rebuttal of Johannine comma.
As a result of discovery of older more authentic Greek manuscripts, there were growing awareness among bible scholars that Erasmus third edition translation had a dubious insert in 1john5:7.
In 1897,the Catholic Church issued that decree to back the Johannine comma rather than flow with the growing wave of dissent to the TR. for obvious reasons-

That decree was issued 300 years after the death of erasmus. So tell me how that proves that the vatican was pressuring erasmus in germany after his death?

Ubenedictus:
That decree was issued 300 years after the death of erasmus. So tell me how that proves that the vatican was pressuring erasmus in germany after his death?

Ubenedictus is playing kalokalo with the truth.

"Due to intense pressure from the Catholic Church and others who wanted it included because of it's support for trinitarianism, Erasmus included the comma johanneum in later editions of the textus receptus"
https://gotquestions.org/Comma-Johanneum.html

Your fellow trinitarian made the disclosure.

Everybody knows the Catholic Church endorsed the works of Erasmus in it's entirety.

Englishman Isaac Newton "argued that it (comma johanneum) was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript "corrected" from the Latin"
Source:" An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture, Wikipedia)

(Your Church history will tell you who Cardinal Ximenes was- not a man to be messed with.)

** The Church NEVER faulted the comma johanneum at anytime.

* * * You know your Church wielded great power and influence at the time, as a result, it was heresy to speak against Trinity,or any Church doctrine, at the risk of persecution.or death by hanging/ burning. For instance, Servetus.

*** For 3 centuries after Erasmus demise,in 1897, the Catholic Church was still staunchly opposed to any criticism ,dissent or rejection of the comma johanneum .
That time wey people done see say comma johanneum na wayo,lie lie the Catholic Church say make all man shut up.

No wonder Isaac Newton accused the Catholic Church of pious fraud.

Mr Ubeneditus , that is concrete proof . Don't deceive your self.

All I asked is to provide proof of the vatican pressuring Erasmus and instead you provided a protestant site to reinforce your claim.

So i take it you cant provide me with the letter from the vatican pressuring Erasmus?

Maximus69:
Well,for your information Adam died both physically and otherwise THAT SAME DAY!
We may wonder why God said Adam will die that same day but he lived 930 years longer, the Bible answered that when God say one day it is equivalent to one thousand years of man's life! 2Peter 3:8
So if no one between Adam and all his progenies ever lived up to 1,000 years,that means Adam died THAT SAME DAY from God's own viewpoint!

It wasn't God viewpoint it's your viewpoint-so now you have a change of heart, from the same day verdict about Adam dying, Adam didn't die on that same day-he had children, and grand children-until he was 930 years old-this is what the bible say's.
The Watchtower tried to prophesy the things of God-and they were wrong every time-and now you-are trying to tell me what God's viewpoint's are.
So am I going to believe the scriptures, "Or do I believe you?
{2 Peter 3:8} Peter does not say that one day is a thousand years; he says that one day is like a thousand years.
In other words, he is using figurative language to make his point. The point is not that we should interpret the word day as “a thousand years” everywhere we find it in Scripture; rather, the point is that the passing of time has no bearing on God’s faithfulness to His promises.
He is “the same yesterday and today and forever” {Hebrews 13:8}
Besides, the day-age theory requires much more than 6,000 years in the creation “week.”

Maximus69:
2Peter 3:8 Simple!
A day to you and i means 24 hours but a day to the one speaking at Genesis 2:17 is 1,000 years Period!

Ubenedictus:
All I asked is to provide proof of the vatican pressuring Erasmus and instead you provided a protestant site to reinforce your claim.

So i take it you cant provide me with the letter from the vatican pressuring Erasmus?

What was the fate of individuals who expressed dissent to Catholic Church doctrines or opposed the Vatican official position in the 1400/1500?
What was the fate of Michael Servetus who rejected the Trinity?

What would be the fate of Erasmus if he had declined to insert the Comma Johanneum (a fraud the Catholic Church staunchly supported for over 300 hundred years after the deed was done)?

OK na , provide me with the letter where the Vatican endorsed Erasmus to translate the Bible in the 1515.

Non denominational Christians such as myself are usually the ones who love God and find themselves outside of a traditional church-if we were to study the scriptures-we would find "Jesus always teaches Kingdom, "not building.
The Gospel is all about the Kingdom of God-it is Jesus’ central teaching, this kingdom He speaks about is not a where but a when.
It is the state of the world when people acknowledge God; when God is honored and worshipped and respected—the Kingdom is present.
Throughout the Gospels, you can find Jesus teaching on the characteristics of His Kingdom people as they reflect the character of God in the world. The Church was never about brick and mortar. It was always greater than that. It was about a way of being in the world.
How is the Church built it's simple the people are the building blocks. Jesus feeds the 5,000. A crowd has been listening to Jesus teach on a remote hillside, 'the gathering there is a mix of the invested, the curious and the skeptical. No sanctuary or liturgy; only Jesus speaking about God in real-time and then sharing a meal with those gathered on the hillside.
That would be the model throughout the New Testament: Gather. Eat. Share. Remember me. Live.'' The book of Hebrews says that we don’t need a middle man. Writing to Jewish believers in Jesus, the author makes it clear that a human high priest is no longer needed as a liaison between ourselves and God —that God was not encountered only in the temple.
Jesus gives us each direct access to Divinity.
The Church grows without a building campaign. The early believers were essentially in-house churches, where immediate family, extended family and friends were already living in deep, meaningful community together. They didn’t have to rent out space and a sound system and start service planning.
They were already living life together organically and so they didn’t need to create a destination to foster community. These groups absorbed the new converts, but there is no evidence of the healthy evolution of these communities into organized churches.
The only mention we have is in the book of Revelation, where large, opulent churches are being chastised for their corruption and apathy.
God is with us-Jesus says where two or three are gathered He is present. Two or three—not 40 or 150 or 6,000. Not an auditorium with a speaker, a band and dozens of rows of chairs.
This is Emmanuel “God with us.” Jesus never promises that with size or organization that there would be more of His presence. He didn’t leave building instructions or establish an organizational structure or provide liturgical templates.
He affirmed that his people and his presence were the only necessary ingredients. They would come to the table together, and He would take a seat there with them. Your kitchen table, maybe at the bar, a bench seat at the park, maybe a coffee shop. He is present there. "He said so.
Notice the Apostle Paul tells us we are the Temple. In his letter to the Corinthians, Paul writes to tell Christians in that city that God’s presence is not just above and around them but within them. They are the very “Body of Christ” on earth, they are the “temple of the Holy Spirit”—living, breathing sanctuaries.
The idea of them needing to visit a specific place to have proximity to God was now ludicrous. They were the place. They needed only to go inward. This is the heart of the Church then. It still is; not where they gather, but as they gather.
Jesus tells the disciples to remember Him. At their final meal before His death, Jesus offers bread and wine as a symbol of his coming sacrifice. He then asks them to remember him when they break bread together in the future.
He is not telling them to establish a weekly worship service or to create a rigid liturgy or to institute a sacrament.
He is commanding them not to forget Him; to live together and to eat and to remember. No sanctuary is necessary for this. This is a fully portable experience.
The truth is Jesus was teaching something very different from what the word “church” means to us today. We’ve grown up in the building and the system and the tradition, so we believe that this is the Church. But the Church as a place you visit for an hour on Saturday or Sunday where God shows up, or where community can solely be found—simply isn’t Biblical.
Jesus’ ministry was about de-centralizing religion, so that the people carried it, not the synagogue or temple or the sanctuary. Again, you may find that building comforting or edifying, and you may find inspiration and wisdom there.
That may be spiritual community for you.
But don’t assume that this building has the market cornered on any of those things, and don’t cheapen the spiritual journey of those outside of the building, by acting as if everything found there cannot also be found beyond it. It can. Over and over the Bible makes this clear.

Janosky:


What was the fate of individuals who expressed dissent to Catholic Church doctrines or opposed the Vatican official position in the 1400/1500?
What was the fate of Michael Servetus who rejected the Trinity?

What would be the fate of Erasmus if he had declined to insert the Comma Johanneum (a fraud the Catholic Church staunchly supported for over 300 hundred years after the deed was done)?

OK na , provide me with the letter where the Vatican endorsed Erasmus to translate the Bible in the 1515.

It seems u are ignorant, severus was killed by his fellow protestants in geneva under john calvin, the vatican didnt touch him.

It is easy to find the pope approval of erasmus work, google 'privilege of publication to erasmus by pope leo x'

Ubenedictus:
It seems u are ignorant, severus was killed by his fellow protestants in geneva under john calvin, the vatican didnt touch him.

It is easy to find the pope approval of erasmus work, google 'privilege of publication to erasmus by pope leo x'

Yes, Calvin instigated the murder of Michael Servetus.
The Vatican still had it's fair share in the brutal persecution and killing of thousands of people who disagreed with Catholic doctrines (or were wrongly accused of dissent) whom the Church labeled as "heretics".
Church and secular history contains the gory events of the Inquisition and other forms of Church brutality .

The Pope approved Erasmus work and also supported the insertion of the comma johanneum and for over 400 years staunchly opposed any voice of dissent against it's insertion until Pope Pius XI's "Divino Afflante Spiritu " in June 1927.

**** In1520, Pope Leo X decreed the Papal bull "Domine Exsurge " ,which earned Martin Luther the label 'heretic'.

#### my questions:
Erasmus published Novum Instrumentum Omne in 1522, with the Papal Bull in place in 1520,
what would be fate of Erasmus if he had declined to insert the comma johanneum?

What became the fate of individuals who expressed dissent to Catholic Church doctrines or opposed the Vatican official position in the 1500s?

The First and the Last
by a christian

The following scriptures are quoted from The New World Translation.

1. "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who
is coming, the Almighty." (Rev. 1:8]

Question: Who is the “Alpha and Omega” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God.

2. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev.
22:13)

Question: Who is the “first and the last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God. Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega and the first and the last (see Isaiah
44:6).

3. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last,
and the living one; and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the
keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:18)

Question: Who is the “First and the Last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah is the First and the Last, who became dead and is now the living one. This is
Jesus speaking.

johnw47:
The First and the Last
by a christian

The following scriptures are quoted from The New World Translation.

1. "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who
is coming, the Almighty." (Rev. 1:8]

Question: Who is the “Alpha and Omega” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God.

2. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev.
22:13)

Question: Who is the “first and the last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God. Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega and the first and the last (see Isaiah
44:6).

3. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last,
and the living one; and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the
keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:18)

Question: Who is the “First and the Last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah is the First and the Last, who became dead and is now the living one. This is
Jesus speaking.

Johnw Lying Pharisee and talented plagiarist ,copy copy thief thief.

** Rev 1:8 Almighty God Jehovah is the rightful Alpha & Omega.

*** Jehovah "the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name" (Eph3:14,15),the God whom Jesus worships (Rom15:6. Acts3:13), gave his son "authority in heaven and on earth" (Mt28:18) to bear the title in Rev22:13.

**#*** Jehovah can NOT die.
My God is immortal. Ps102:24,27.
90:2. 1Tim1:17.
Misquoted Rev1:18 will not rescue your pathetic lies
Mr Liar, is Jehovah the angel with the keys of death and hell (Hades),Rev 20:1?
** Rev 22:16"I,Jesus... am the offspring of David". Mr Liar,is Jehovah the offspring of David?

** Jesus is an apostle ( Heb3:1), is Jesus one of his 12 apostles?
Brain scrubbed Pharisee,na who do you this strong thing?

brocab:
Non denominational Christians such as myself are usually the ones who love God and find themselves outside of a traditional church-if we were to study the scriptures-we would find "Jesus always teaches Kingdom, "not building.
The Gospel is all about the Kingdom of God-it is Jesus’ central teaching, this kingdom He speaks about is not a where but a when.
It is the state of the world when people acknowledge God; when God is honored and worshipped and respected—the Kingdom is present.



That would be the model throughout the New Testament: Gather. Eat. Share. Remember me. Live.''
The early believers were essentially in-house churches, where immediate family, extended family and friends were already living in deep, meaningful community together.

Johnw "early believers were essentially in-house Churches" have totally knocked off your "nondenominational" crap.
How can one person gather and share with himself?

** Even Jesus emphasized that his followers MUST convene and fellowship together "where two or three are gathered in my name.."
No be one man affair.

###* first century Christians were NOT just "in-house churches" ,they were more than that.
Rom16:3,5" Greet Aquila and Priscilla my fellow workers in Christ... Greet also the church that meets at their house"
From all parts of the city and it's environ, believers came to fellowship together at the house of Aquila and Priscilla.
Similar practice elsewhere,Col4:5, 1Cor16:19.
They were well organized and led by the Apostles and Elders (guided by holy spirit) in Jerusalem
Acts 15:1-34.
No be one man affair.

Johnw lying Pharisee doesn't know what God's kingdom is or what God's kingdom stands for...
Dan2:44. 7:13,14. Matt 6:9,10. 2Pet3:13. Rev21:1-5

Half baked is more dangerous than ignorance.
Non denominational Pharisee... ekushe oooo

Janosky:


Johnw Lying Pharisee and talented plagiarist ,copy copy thief thief.

** Rev 1:8 Almighty God Jehovah is the rightful Alpha & Omega.

*** Jehovah "the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name" (Eph3:14,15),the God whom Jesus worships (Rom15:6. Acts3:13), gave his son "authority in heaven and on earth" (Mt28:18) to bear the title in Rev22:13.

**#*** Jehovah can NOT die.
My God is immortal. Ps102:24,27.
90:2. 1Tim1:17.
Misquoted Rev1:18 will not rescue your pathetic lies
Mr Liar, is Jehovah the angel with the keys of death and hell (Hades),Rev 20:1?
** Rev 22:16"I,Jesus... am the offspring of David". Mr Liar,is Jehovah the offspring of David?

** Jesus is an apostle ( Heb3:1), is Jesus one of his 12 apostles?
Brain scrubbed Pharisee,na who do you this strong thing?

lying pharisee deceiver, false accuser, copycat, blinded, confused, know nothing, false jw Janosky/OneJ

you think God's word contradicts God's word
but the fact is you don't understand or believe much of God's word
and you pick and choose which verses you will believe and which verses you will not believe
according to what you have been told to believe by your deceiving elders and witchpower magazine

and of course you don't believe Jesus and make God to be a liar:

1Jn_5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

johnw47:
The First and the Last
by a christian

The following scriptures are quoted from The New World Translation.

1. "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who
is coming, the Almighty." (Rev. 1:8]

Question: Who is the “Alpha and Omega” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God.

2. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev.
22:13)

Question: Who is the “first and the last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God. Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega and the first and the last (see Isaiah
44:6).

3. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last,
and the living one; and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the
keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:18)

Question: Who is the “First and the Last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah is the First and the Last, who became dead and is now the living one. This is
Jesus speaking.

Janosky:

Johnw "early believers were essentially in-house Churches" have totally knocked off your "nondenominational" crap.
How can one person gather and share with himself?

** Even Jesus emphasized that his followers MUST convene and fellowship together "where two or three are gathered in my name.."
No be one man affair.

###* first century Christians were NOT just "in-house churches" ,they were more than that.
Rom16:3,5" Greet Aquila and Priscilla my fellow workers in Christ... Greet also the church that meets at their house"
From all parts of the city and it's environ, believers came to fellowship together at the house of Aquila and Priscilla.
Similar practice elsewhere,Col4:5, 1Cor16:19.
They were well organized and led by the Apostles and Elders (guided by holy spirit) in Jerusalem
Acts 15:1-34.
No be one man affair.

Johnw lying Pharisee doesn't know what God's kingdom is or what God's kingdom stands for...
Dan2:44. 7:13,14. Matt 6:9,10. 2Pet3:13. Rev21:1-5

Half baked is more dangerous than ignorance.
Non denominational Pharisee... ekushe oooo

lying pharisee deceiver, false accuser, copycat, blinded, confused, know nothing, false jw Janosky/OneJ

you think brocab and i are the same user, ha ha

paranoia is not from God
but is from your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
Johnw "early believers were essentially in-house Churches" have totally knocked off your "nondenominational" crap.
How can one person gather and share with himself?

** Even Jesus emphasized that his followers MUST convene and fellowship together "where two or three are gathered in my name.."
No be one man affair.

###* first century Christians were NOT just "in-house churches" ,they were more than that.
Rom16:3,5" Greet Aquila and Priscilla my fellow workers in Christ... Greet also the church that meets at their house"
From all parts of the city and it's environ, believers came to fellowship together at the house of Aquila and Priscilla.
Similar practice elsewhere,Col4:5, 1Cor16:19.
They were well organized and led by the Apostles and Elders (guided by holy spirit) in Jerusalem
Acts 15:1-34.
No be one man affair.

Johnw lying Pharisee doesn't know what God's kingdom is or what God's kingdom stands for...
Dan2:44. 7:13,14. Matt 6:9,10. 2Pet3:13. Rev21:1-5

Half baked is more dangerous than ignorance.
Non denominational Pharisee... ekushe oooo

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

paranoia is self centered fear:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

hater of god's word Janosky/OneJ, your paranoia-fear goes well with your unbelieving and lies

some false jw's deceive with diffrent user names
and so they think everyone are deceivers as they are

some false jw's lie like hell
and so they think that everyone lie habitually as they do

isn't that right lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ

Janosky:
Johnw "early believers were essentially in-house Churches" have totally knocked off your "nondenominational" crap.

Just as we read the scriptures, the early believers were essentially in house Churches-Jesus said: when two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the mist of them.
How many do you need to fill up a Kingdom hall building, before you realise what really matters exist, when just two or three are gathered in Jesus Name, He is standing in our mist?

Janosky:
How can one person gather and share with himself?

{Matthew 6:6} But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
So "Yes" is the answer-we can share time with ourselves and with the invisible God alone..Try it sometime..

Janosky:

Johnw "early believers were essentially in-house Churches" have totally knocked off your "nondenominational" crap.
How can one person gather and share with himself?

** Even Jesus emphasized that his followers MUST convene and fellowship together "where two or three are gathered in my name.."
No be one man affair.

###* first century Christians were NOT just "in-house churches" ,they were more than that.
Rom16:3,5" Greet Aquila and Priscilla my fellow workers in Christ... Greet also the church that meets at their house"
From all parts of the city and it's environ, believers came to fellowship together at the house of Aquila and Priscilla.
Similar practice elsewhere,Col4:5, 1Cor16:19.
They were well organized and led by the Apostles and Elders (guided by holy spirit) in Jerusalem
Acts 15:1-34.
No be one man affair.

Johnw lying Pharisee doesn't know what God's kingdom is or what God's kingdom stands for...
Dan2:44. 7:13,14. Matt 6:9,10. 2Pet3:13. Rev21:1-5

Half baked is more dangerous than ignorance.
Non denominational Pharisee... ekushe oooo

Jesus is God

by a christian


These verses prove that Jesus is God.

Isa. 9:6 "His name shall be called…Mighty God, Eternal Father…" This verse is a prophecy of the birth of
Jesus. Jer. 32:17-18 says that Jehovah God is Mighty God.

Titus 2:13 "Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior
Christ Jesus." Jesus is called both "God" and "Savior" in this verse.

1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God has come…in order that we might know Him who is true,
and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."

Romans 9:5 "…whose are the fathers, and from which is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all,
God blessed forever." Christ is God blessed forever.

Matt. 1:23 "And they shall call His name Immanuel, which translated means, God with us." Jesus is God
with us. (The J.W. New World Translation changes this to "With Us Is God."]

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This
verse proves there is more than one member of the Godhead. The Word is clearly Jesus--John 1:14.
(The J.W. New World Translation changes this to "a god."

John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Jesus didn't rebuke him for calling Him "God."

Acts 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you
overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." God purchased the
church with His own blood, meaning Jesus' blood was God's blood.
(The Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation changes the meaning by mistranslating it "to shepherd
the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son]."]

Col. 1:16 For by Him (Jesus) all things were created… This verse teaches Jesus created all things.
(The J.W. New World Translation adds the word "other." NWT mistranslates this, "Because by means of
him all (other) things were created…"]

John 5:17-18 The Jews were seeking to kill Jesus because He was "calling God His own Father, making
Himself equal with God."
If the Jews understand Jesus was calling Himself deity, why do cults teach He didn't claim this?

John 8:56-59 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day and he saw it…Truly, truly I say to you, before
Abraham was born, I AM." In verse 57 the Jews wanted to know how Abraham could have seen Jesus
when Jesus wasn't even 50 years old. Jesus replied by saying He was "I AM." The Jews knew Jehovah's
eternal name is "I AM" (Ex. 3:14). Because He claimed to be God, they tried to stone Him (8:59).
(The NWT mistranslates this to "Before Abraham came into existence, I have been."]

John 10:30-31 "I and the Father are one." The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone
You, but for blasphemy and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews
understood that Jesus claimed to be God, and this is why they wanted to stone Him for blasphemy.

John 14:8-9 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father." Jesus replied, "He who has seen Me has seen the
Father." New World Translation adds the word “also” after “Father.

Acts 7:59 As Stephen was dying, he prayed to Jesus and asked Him to receive his spirit.
He prayed to Jesus because Stephen knew He was God.

2 Cor. 5:19 God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself

Phil. 2:5-7 "Christ Jesus, who although He existed in the form (Greek: "morphe" meaning "nature"] of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a
bondservant, being made in the likeness of men." This means that Jesus was in the nature of God, but
laid aside His glory in heaven in order to become a man on earth.

Col. 2:9 "For in Him (Jesus) all the fullness of Deity (God) dwells in bodily form (man).

John 17:11 Christ's name and the Father's name are the same. See Isa. 9:6.

Heb. 1:8 "But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever." Psalm 45:6 addresses this
verse to God. Heb. 1:8 now applies this verse to the Son. (New World Translation changes this verse to
read, "But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever…'"]

Heb. 1:6 "And Let all the angels of God worship Him (Jesus)." Exodus 20:3-5 says to worship God alone.

John 1:3 "All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come
into being." This verse says that Jesus is the Creator of the world.

John 1:10 "…the world was made through Him…" This verse says Jesus is the Creator.

Heb. 1:10 "Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundations of the earth…" This is a quote from
Psalm 102:25 speaking to Jehovah. In Hebrews 1:10 it refers to Jesus, meaning He is Jehovah.

continue

Comparing Verses—God and Jesus:


God is Alpha and Omega Rev. 1:8 Jesus is Alpha and Omega Rev. 22:12-16

God returns to Mt. of Olives Zech 14:4-5 Jesus returns to Mt. of Olives Acts 1:9-12

God is the First and the Last Isa. 44:6 Jesus is the First and the Last Rev. 1:17-18

God sent His angel Rev. 22:6 Jesus sent His angel Rev. 22:16

The gospel of God 2 Cor. 11:7 The gospel of Christ 2 Cor. 10:14

Jehovah is Lord Dt. 6:4, 2 Sam. 7:28, Ps. 18:31, Ps.
118:27, 1 Kings 18:39
Jesus is Lord Phil. 2:11, 1 Cor. 12:3, John 13:13, Jude
4, 1 Cor. 16:23

God is Savior Isa. 43:3, 10-11, Hos. 13:4
Jesus is Savior Luke 2:11, Acts 4:10-12, Titus 1:3-4,
2:13

God is Creator Gen. 1:1, Ps. 102:25 Jesus is Creator Col. 1:16, Heb. 1:2,10, John 1:3,10

God is worshipped Ex. 20:3-5, Rev. 22:9 Jesus is worshipped Heb. 1:6, John 20:28, Matt. 28:9

God pours out Spirit Joel 2:27-28 Jesus pours out Spirit Acts 2:33

God is Judge Ps. 50:5-6, Rom. 2:5 Jesus is Judge John 5:22, Rev. 2:23, 22:12

God is Shepherd Psalm 23:1 Jesus is Shepherd John 10:14

God knows all Ps. 139:1-4 Jesus knows all John 21:17

God forgives sins Jer. 31:34, Luke 5:21 Jesus forgives sins Matt. 9:2, Mark 2:5-10

God sanctifies us 1 Thess. 5:22 Jesus sanctifies us Eph. 5:25-26

Every knee bows to God Isa. 45:21-23 Every knee bows to Jesus Phil. 2:10-11
Jesus is Jehovah



These verses are addressed to both to Jehovah God in the O.T. and Jesus in the New Testament.:

Addressed to Jehovah God Addressed to Jesus
Ps. 45:6 "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever…"
Heb. 1:8 "But of the Son (the Father says), 'Thy throne, O God,
is forever and ever…"

Ps. 102:25 "Of old Thou hast laid the foundation of
the earth; and the heavens are the work of Thy
hands."
Heb. 1:10 "Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands."

Isa. 45:23 "…that to Me every knee will bow, every
tongue will swear."
Phil. 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow…every tongue should confess Jesus Christ is Lord…

Isa 8:12-12 "…neither fear their fear, nor be afraid,
sanctify the Lord of hosts…"
1 Pet. 3:14-15 "…and do not fear their fear, and do not be
afraid, but sanctify Christ as Lord…"

Deut. 10:17 "for the Lord your God is the God of
gods and the Lord of lords…"
Rev. 17:14 "…and the Lamb will overcome them, because He
is the Lord of lords and the King of kings…" Also see 1 Tim.
6:14-15, Rev. 19:16

Isa. 44:6 "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and
His Redeemer…'I AM the first and the last, and
there is no God besides Me."
John 1:49 "…You are the Son of God, You are the King of
Israel."Rev. 22:12-13 "I AM the Alpha and Omega, the first and
the last…" Also see Rev. 1:8, 17-18, 2:8

Ps. 130:8 "And He shall redeem Israel from all his
iniquities."
Titus 2:14 "Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us
from all iniquity…"

paranoid lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

copycat, blinded, confused, know nothing, paranoid Janosky/OneJ

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.