Gwaihir:



These cases are different. The two examples you cited were apostles of Christ to preach the gospel. They weren't ordinary humans living ordinary lives. I believe the bible said, those who lose their life for his sake will gain t and those who withhold it, will lose it. That is strictly based on the gospel of Christ.


I believe we are talking about daily lives here, daily lives that had to do with people not wanting you to survive, excel, live peacefully. Basically, people who are afflicting you to the point you can go insane or just lose hope on God. This affliction should be endured but not to the manner that who is responsible take victory over your soul. When the devil tormented Jesus did he just sit back and tolerated it or reprimanded him till he left?

When the human possessed by demons, was chased into pigs, should he have said such person should endure the torments?

When it was the woman who was an harlot, did he say her act was just or said there was justification for such? But that no one should judge the woman and told the woman to go and sin no more

There is grace for those who havent heard the word or come to the true understanding of God ditto for Stephen and Jesus. But for those who it has been repeatedly sounded in their ear and have known the gospel but still continue to do otherwise, there is no reason a man should continue to turn the other cheek or allow such person to continue to afflict you. You are basically just using yourself to suffer and also preventing that person to see the consequence of his/her choices. Ditto for Sodom and Gomorrah, and Ananias and Saphira.

It is also in the bible, that some people will not change from their ways until they experience terrible circumstances. That is when their eyes will open ditto for Paul.

@manilka did you ignore the emboldened or you just did not understand it?

obinna58:
What about God who said love you enemy and sends his to eternal fire
If c God is a hypocrite wouldn't his followers learn from him

DeRay98:
There are humans who harbour evil spiritual powers that they use to attack and hinder other humans from progressing in life.
These humans are not the enemies to embrace, so you attack ( through prayers and NEVER by physical means) the spirit they harbour and if they won't let go of those spirit and allow you to fulfil your potentials in life, they must die so the spirit have no access to you anymore. Christian are never to physically attack anyone if you suspect you under spiritual attack.
Disagreement on issues shouldn't be taken as enermity unless you're evil yourself.

Gwaihir:



These cases are different. The two examples you cited were apostles of Christ to preach the gospel. They weren't ordinary humans living ordinary lives. I believe the bible said, those who lose their life for his sake will gain t and those who withhold it, will lose it. That is strictly based on the gospel of Christ.


I believe we are talking about daily lives here, daily lives that had to do with people not wanting you to survive, excel, live peacefully. Basically, people who are afflicting you to the point you can go insane or just lose hope on God. This affliction should be endured but not to the manner that who is responsible take victory over your soul. When the devil tormented Jesus did he just sit back and tolerated it or reprimanded him till he left?

When the human possessed by demons, was chased into pigs, should he have said such person should endure the torments?

When it was the woman who was an harlot, did he say her act was just or said there was justification for such? But that no one should judge the woman and told the woman to go and sin no more

There is grace for those who havent heard the word or come to the true understanding of God ditto for Stephen and Jesus. But for those who it has been repeatedly sounded in their ear and have known the gospel but still continue to do otherwise, there is no reason a man should continue to turn the other cheek or allow such person to continue to afflict you. You are basically just using yourself to suffer and also preventing that person to see the consequence of his/her choices. Ditto for Sodom and Gomorrah, and Ananias and Saphira.

It is also in the bible, that some people will not change from their ways until they experience terrible circumstances. That is when their eyes will open ditto for Paul.

@manilika did you ignore the emboldened or you just did not understand it?

LogicStatement:

When I see people misquote the scriptures this way I simply shake my head. This shows you simply do not understand Christ and therefore do not understand the Christian religion you claim to belong.

Yusuf54:
Hmm,ur comment is too funny...

obinna58:
What about God who said love you enemy and sends his to eternal fire
If c God is a hypocrite wouldn't his followers learn from him

blingxx:

Confused people

Maximus85:


The same way you will kill a child that wants to give u hypertension, abi?

How many of your so-called enemies have died since you've been shouting die die die? Aren't you someone's enemy? And if you believe that God answers such stupid prayers, then you must seriously check yourself.

Habyz:

When did God die? Just asking

Samsimple:
We claim to be christians but we tend to exhibit characters that contradicts the teachings of jesus...why do we despise our non existing enemies so much, when we know we are the cause our problems, even if they do exist why do christians still say "holy ghost fire pursue and destroy my enemies" ... Love your enemies and just maybe he/she might be ur best friend....
PEACE

Gwaihir:



By saying "omitting the fruit of the spirit" aren't you sounding self righteous too? You can't possibly say that you are practicing the whole complete fruit of the spirit because, in another post of yours, you said you aint perfect.


@the emboldened explain and give instances to enumerate your point.

You didn't grow up in Nigeria, hence, what may be called spiritual forces there may not be what it is here. I think you should read up on Africa and ancient practices before the colonialist arrived. Things like idol worshipping,human sacrifices, all manner of diabolic practices to invoke demons to execute commands on their behalf. Except if you want to state that, such cannot be done in this world where God himself parted the red sea, or chased out demons into pigs?


Also, i am sure you have seen series of cases on frontpage nairaland were ritualists are arrested with different human parts, is it those ones you want to "turn the other cheek to" in order to emulate a fruit of the spirit? Even Jesus will call you a fool if you do not do what is just and right in such circumstance.

loj1:
its a disaster wen ur enemies no u and u dnt no dem,every one in lyf has an enemy l,unless dead u hav enemies is just dt u dnt no dem,not evryone is happy wt ur existent,if sinless jesus could hav an enemy den u hav lotta dem,just pray 4 dem not to catch up on u AMEN

bloodofthelamb:
2000YRS AGO...HE BECAME MAN TO SAVE MAN-KIND FROM THE SERPENT(DEVIL)

Lex11:

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You miss the point... the point being it is not our place to judge anyone! "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Despite all being worthy of elimination, God Himself in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ stood as a ransom for many (Matthew 20:28), He being the only reason many have seen and will see Heaven... but he paid quite the price, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" - (Revelation 13:8 ).

Is this not undeserved mercy? We should be careful what we say concerning God... abi you no fear? Easy...

Ken4Christ:
Die by fire or Holy Ghost fire and similar forms of prayers most denominations offer today are rooted in the Old Testament law of Moses which has been abolished. Jesus abolished the Law of Moses and ushered in grace but a greater percentage of the Church are still ignorant of this divine truth.

Such forms of prayers are not scriptural. Vengeance is the exclusive right of God. You don't have the moral right to kill or rain down fire on anyone but you can bind or resist the devil. I have a full book on this subject titled, 'A critical analysis of Dangerous Prayer Languages'

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9WOT7Y

Habyz:

Does that mean God is 2000 years old?

obinna58:

Tautology
Ritual sacrifice done using himself son to please himself is the price abi

intergral:
for him to totally abolish the laws moses brought from God means they are fake and Moses is a false Prophet.... Then there's a very big confusion in Christianity....

Lex11:

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"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

MsNgo40:



Brother,
Wow...you've said a lot.
Ok....thanks for reading through my other comment as well.
No I'm not being self-righteous...yes I'm still imperfect, and yes I'm striving to display the Fruit of the Spirit continually. No contradictions there..
I believe (but could be wrong though) that you read through my comment defensively.
I can honestly say that what I said...I always do self-introspections when writing.
Although I've changed my moniker (and deactivated) a couple of times during these 10 months I've been a member on NL, I've always tried to deal truthfully. Maybe that has come with maturity....
I know that in the end, I have to stand before my Maker and be accountable for my actions.
But I also feel obligated to not only encourage followers of Christ, but also correct them when they err. I don't mind people doing the same for me. The way in which we treat non-believers and even our "own" brethren in Christ is appalling.
Although the "free-thinkers" will be held accountable for their actions, it doesn't give us-followers of Christ-to behave in the same manner. I, personally wouldn't want to know the "God" that some Christians in here claim to serve.
As for reading up about ancient Africa (before colonialism) and the occultism aspect, i'm gonna be honest and tell you that I'm not gonna read about that. I don't want demonic thoughts in my mind.
I'm here on NL learning a whole bunch of things. I have visited many sections...and commented in some of them.
Got here by accident, but I'm here. If I didn't want to learn, I surely wouldn't have joined.
Until I get to Nigeria (which is half of my blood), NL will do.
I wasn't trying to offend Nigeria...which is part of me. Spirituality is spirituality regardless of where I live. The fact remains that lots of entities have gotten mixed into Christianity and it has become somewhat corrupted.
I read so much about the ritualists in the Crime section that I left there. I cannot stomach that demonic behavior. However even in that case (God forbid it happen to any of my family members in Nigeria), it still is NOT for us to avenge. Only God could give me the strength NOT to retaliate.....but I can only look to Christ as my example...Isaiah 53.
My message is to both followers of Christ (to not forget the essence of Christ' message) and to non-believers (to try Christ for themselves).
Be blessed

Gwaihir:


@1st emboldened I thought this thread was aimed at enemies? Not how we should treat each other in Christ? If the latter is the case, please pardon my indiscretion.

@2nd & 4th emboldened, now something you don't even want to imagine, do you know how someone going through the affliction would feel and if such a person can choose to be enduring of such or rebuke the devil as appropriate?

@3rd i agree Christianity has been corrupted, i wasn't arguing that premise to you as you can see from the first emboldened. That is another topic i wish not to get into.

@5th Only God can give the strength not to retaliate, true. But not everyone has that deep a connection to God not to. Even you cannot stomach auch behavior, so rather than have such have a way in your life shouldn't a person fortify himself/herselfthrough Christ to not be a victim. I think the bible said we wrestle against spirits and principalities not flesh and blood. I don't see where it said we should not avenge as the word 'wrestle' suggests otherwise.

My message was on the premise of 'enemies' as the original intention of the topic suggests.