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|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Fynline(m): 5:21pm On Jul 10, 2013|
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:23pm On Jul 10, 2013|
first point of correction, about 330 of nigerian army 660 artillery guns have range of 20km to 30km, and 50 of the guns are mobile palmaria guns that can advance towards enemy positions from north, east, west directions at speed of 60km/hr on road, i posted the photo on page 479.
you say nigerian artillery is useless ? okay, when we fire it, put your first born son's head directly in front of the gun to block the 'useless' shell from coming out.
please dont drag us back on this thread with that F00LISH talk that nigerian army air defense cannot shoot down south african airforce, i proved it may/june so go back to pages 290 to 310. nigerian Roland SAM and south african Gripen jet cannot harm each other as long as they both stay away from each other and no direct challenge. proved on this forum
i said america and europe dont care to build artillery guns to shoot range 75km because armies dont stay that far part in real life war, or else it is no more a war. how will tanks/armoured vehicles and infantry engage each other ?
south african military academies teach nonsense and should come to nigeria for upgrading.
if your weapon GG artillery is good because of range 75km, out of 150 countries of the world, only 3 will not be using it, and since 25 years ago you sold only about 150 units, even your own south africa the producer has only 43 units. please keep quite and dont use politics as an excuse, it sounds too childish.
only a south african military academy with its poor combat strategic doctrine will dream of using 43 G6 artillery gun to defeat a massive army like nigeria. while your 75km range guns are firing, nigeria's far bigger army will split into 4 different fronts and attack south africa's far smaller army from 4 positions of attack lines, two front lines, one east line, one west line . south african army will first be trapped in a nigerian army pincer formation and secondly surrounded from behind your back. that is what cuban army did to south african army and forced your country to call for peace negotiation to avoid defeat.
"Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale, the largest battle in Africa since World War II, in which both sides have claimed victory. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers. For some analysts  the stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards. United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."
south african army is too weak in fire-power and too short in man-power, nigerian army is superior and will roast south african army.
you dont know what a real life battle-field looks like. its not a clean, neat, gentle man forum, battle field is bloody, scattered, rapidly changing, interlocking and confusing.
nigerian army will wipe out the south african army, and there will be no french army at any airport for south african soldiers to run for protection like in CAR.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:39pm On Jul 10, 2013|
agaugust:Nigerian army doesn't have any experience in supporting their troops or armour over long distances. They don't have MRAPS and mine detecting vehicles. The parabats didn't ran when seleka advanced,they inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy. While Bozize's army which they supposed to support disappeared,the parabats base was not overrunned. The commander (Major Stephen Jiyane) made a good decision by abandoning the base cause,what would we be there for?. Your army took years to deploy in Mali,while SANDF reacted with sending Gripens,Rooivalks,parabats and setting up a clinic close,by in case the C-in-C ordered the over of Seleka.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:46pm On Jul 10, 2013|
i will soon stop replying your F00LISH war/combat comments. you dont know the art of real war. you just copy and paste weapons data and you try to imagine how they can be used in your poorly informed military mind. the art of war and real life battle field combat is simply not your area of knowledge.
go bring your real soldiers in south african army to come and talk to me here. thanks. no insult intended. i am not proud.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:48pm On Jul 10, 2013|
drag_on: SANDF clipped wings: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/05/10/air-force-wings-clipped
best military in africa ?
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:53pm On Jul 10, 2013|
nigerian army regular soldiers was 100,000 man in 2010. it is now about 120,000 men. it will reach 150,000 men anytime from now.
i delibrately quoted an older number in that post.
wikipedia current total for nigerian military is 200,000 men.
nigerian army on the rocks combat !
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:58pm On Jul 10, 2013|
Fynline: MINUSMA erstwhile AFISMA
you made my breakfast sweeter with those army pics. thanks. good job. son of nigeria.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:02pm On Jul 10, 2013|
[size=16pt]please stop comparing nigerian army to south african army ! go and find your equal somewhere else. even eritrea will beat south africa silly.[/size]
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 6:19pm On Jul 10, 2013|
agaugust:Well I can I see you rely on insults,when you run out of facts LOL,Guess what?you just won your self the "IDIOT of the day" award. You can ask your long lost uncle somewhere in Hillbrow to come pick it up for you.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 6:25pm On Jul 10, 2013|
Maybe in your wildest dreams do you think the Nigerian army will be able to pull off what you just described. You think South African defenses will be nicely stacked in a soccer field for you to encircle. You think your 4 fronts will have nice steady supplies and firepower? By your own admission half of your guns are in 11km range. Simple long range mortars can deal with that. Reduced numbers of G5 to deal with the rest and G6 for leftovers. Not to mention you will be driving into Ratel anti armour IFV armed with Ingwe, and Special Forces with anti tank weapons etc etc. You wont make it very far. And if you think Nigeria can bring all its heavy and most modern equipment down South in one supply line, again you are being delusional. Nigerian cannot attack SA, simple as that.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 6:41pm On Jul 10, 2013|
saengine:It would take time for Nigeria to get all their armour to the South,delays mean they might meet the Badger Infantry fighting vehicle. Which will be rolling out of the production later this year. And they won't have air power.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:44pm On Jul 10, 2013|
nigeria can invade south africa, i did not say defeat you in that invasion, but enter your country and fight you on your homeland soil, and pray we dont ship 100,000 AK-47 rifles and grenades to the 250,000 nigerians who live in your country.
nigeria is a great war threat to south africa, but you cannot invade nigeria in any way
also, countries meet on 3rd party ground and fight war. america and china met and fought in a 3rd party country of korea.
south african airforce Gripen jets are better than nigerian F-7 jets, you said it, we accepted it. now this bitter pill you have to swallow....
nigerian army has 4 times bigger infantry soldiers, 5 times bigger artillery guns than south african army.
both contries about equal number of tanks and armoured vehicles.
the clear advantage and superiority is on nigeria's side and we will defeat south africa if we meet on common grounds somewhere we dont know. live with that fact, or go hug a 20,000 volts electricity transformer...
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 6:58pm On Jul 10, 2013|
agaugust:"The FV2 Bateleur is the standard multiple launch
rocket system (MLRS)of the South African
Artillery. Development and production started
after the end of the 1966-1989 Namibian "Border
War" and the system has not yet been used in
anger, unlike its smaller predecessor, the FV1
Visarend" this weapons plus the G5,G6 & armoured vehicles can stop your "advancing columns".
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:05pm On Jul 10, 2013|
nigerian army too, has both towed and mobile rocket launcher systems MRLS rocket artillery of several types
1. BM-21 from russia
2. APR-21 from romania
3. ARP-40 from romania
4. SBAT 70 from brazil
nigerian army will roast and barbecue south african army.
no need to consult your south african herbalist sangboma oracle to know the clear and simple unchangeable truth
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:15pm On Jul 10, 2013|
can we find something else to discuss ? i am tired of comparing a weaker south african army to a 5 times stronger nigerian army.
other topics from back pages i want to focus on now. replies to posts from page 465 to 475 or so. thanks everyone.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 7:25pm On Jul 10, 2013|
agaugust:"The South African Artillery is investing in its
holding of FV2 Bateleur multiple launch rocket
systems (MLRS). It has awarded Rheinmetall
Denel Munitions (RDM) a R2 453 601.60 contract
for the procurement of Bateleur upper structure
spares. It was an extension of a similar R1 523
684.90 contract awarded last September and
takes the value of work on the system to R14 519
The London-based International
Institute for Strategic Studies
(IISS) in its annual 2010 Military
Balance publication credits
South Africa with 51 MLRS - 26
of the 24-tube first-generation
FV1 Valkiri and 25 of the later
Bateleur. The IISS lists the
Valkiri as being in storage.
Another source puts most of the
Bateleur in storage as well.
Lt Col Clive Wilsworth in his "First in, Last
Out" (30 Degrees South, Johannesburg, 2010),
an account of South African artillery operations
between 1975 and 1989, notes the MLRS
programme, Project Furrow, started in 1974. He
added it is a common misperception that the
quest for rocket artillery only started after
Operation Savannah, the South African
intervention in Angola from November 1975,
when the Army encountered the Soviet BM21
122mm MLRS. "The massive firepower of the
MLRS was already appreciated before the first
contact in Angola."
Wilsworth adds the system was developed to
deliver "artillery strikes on soft targets - ideal
against logistic points or convoys, airfields,
concentrations of troops in open trenches or even
in the open." Development started at the Council
for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and
production as well as systems integration was in
the hands of Kentron, today's Denel Dynamics
and RDM Western Cape. He further recounts that
127mm (5-inch) was selected as the calibre for
the system as it was the same as the Kentron V3
air-to-air missile "which, with relatively minor
modifications, could be used successfully."
The warhead contained 6400 steel balls cast in a
resin sleeve to save weight and filled with a RDX/
TNT explosive mix. Two fuses were available:
direct action or proximity. "During operations the
proximity fuse was the most effective, and very
few DA fuses were ever used." The system
entered service in 1979 with the fiat instructors'
course held at Kentron South (later Denel
Somchem and now part of RDM) in May 1979.
The first use of the Valkiri in combat was in
August 1981 during Operation Protea. Wilsworth
regrettably does not discuss the development of
the Bateleur, which has not yet made a combat
debut. It does however use the same 127mm
rocket but with a 40-tube launcher fitted to a
mine-protected Kw^evo"el 100 10-ton 6x6 truck.
The weapon can fire up to 40 127mm pre-
fragmented high explosive warheads to ranges of
7.5km to 36km at sea level singly or using ripple
fire, firing up to 1 rocket per second. Reload ca
take less than 10 minutes and in/out-of-action
time is one and two minutes respectively. The
system is supported by a Kw^evo"el 100
ammunition truck carrying 96 rockets and crew
who help with the reloading.
The systems are currently allocated to the SA
Army Artillery School, Artillery Mobilisation
Regiment and 4 Artillery Regiment, all of
Potchefstroom, as well as the Regiment
Potchefstroomse Universiteit and the Transvaalse
Staatsartillerie of Pretoria". Enjoy this South African prototype vehicles pictures.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:43pm On Jul 10, 2013|
Fynline bruv, as always beautiful pictures. Keep em' coming.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:25pm On Jul 10, 2013|
...and so what ? only your south africa has rocket artillery in this world ? even chad, burundi, mali etc all have it. stop posting stories that you cannot interpret on battle field combat. nigerian army will roast south african army like suya meat. go sleep jare !
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:38pm On Jul 10, 2013|
Now it all makes sense. When someone even has the idea of shipping weapons to Nigerians living in SA its easy to understand their simple thought patterns. Ship AK's through where? Which port? Distribute them how? Haha.
So you'll invade us but admit you wont dedeat us on home soil? The point of invasion would be what then? To come find a nice spot to roast your troops? If you count your 11km artillery (Which makes a huge percentage of your guns) as superior then i wont judge you, i'll just laugh in silence. Yes lets stop this boring topic.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 9:12pm On Jul 10, 2013|
saengine:And our own UAVs and SPECIAL FORCES will be snoring in bed?
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 9:34pm On Jul 10, 2013|
There's a reason why Naai-geria's best military analyst (i.e. Agaugust) hangs around a forum all day, claiming to be something he is not. Other analysts are busy being published and he is here
Makes sense though, looking at the "information" he spits out.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 10:12pm On Jul 10, 2013|
Donian007: And our own UAVs and SPECIAL FORCES will be snoring in bed?
Your UAV's which Israel ripped you off on might be able to see us, but what will your artillery do about it? Exactly. ...
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:04am On Jul 11, 2013|
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|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:06am On Jul 11, 2013|
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|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:25am On Jul 11, 2013|
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|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:40am On Jul 11, 2013|
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|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:41am On Jul 11, 2013|
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|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 7:48am On Jul 11, 2013|
agaugust:How is Nigeria's army going to roast the SANDF if they don't have "quality roasting equipment"? GET IT?
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:16am On Jul 11, 2013|
Thiza: SOUTH AFRICAN PRODUCED MISSILES
I have been looking for you. Some of the equipments you post are not south African made they are European weapons upgraded or only 25% built in south Africa. When I post Nigerian weapons to reply your request , I will do the same. Simple. I will reply weekend. For today and friday I need to clear the rubbish your friends are posting here.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:19am On Jul 11, 2013|
No, I don't get. South African army has very weak artillery firepower and very severe shortage of foot soldiers. Get it ? Yes you do. Stop pretending
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 8:28am On Jul 11, 2013|
@AGAUGUST I hope this brochure would bring an end to your suscpicions.....such hardware are 100% South African made.
|Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 8:29am On Jul 11, 2013|
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