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|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 4:19pm On Sep 08, 2018|
0balufonlll:. just for fun brother.
Yoruba are truly people of the world, anywhere but Africa. We share so much with our people faraway but nothing with our neighbors
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 4:52pm On Sep 08, 2018|
LMAO na the summary of the whole be the emboldened o, e weak me.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 7:20pm On Sep 08, 2018|
Do I need border about what you believe? The ones you anchor your faith on here has just been rubbished without any argument in that direction from you. All you need do now is to go back to your original antics na, afterall you have no idea of your own, just keep on fighting, and I will keep on posting as well. So, nothing changes.
Since Yoruba origin can now be figured by untrained fellows like you and I by matching up words without recourse for proper linguistic methods
You are the untrained fellow na,
Only a fool will always confirm himself to be a fool. I'm well trained and very versed in what I've been doing, but you don't know what to hang on anymore, than this. But wait o, how about telling your readers what you know about Yoruba history? Are you being so careful?
Whatever happens to your recent coinages, I mean linguistic classification and multiple aboriginality? Can't you proof this your conclusion with facts or inventions or some findings you've come across in your inspirational tales you stumble upon in Yoruba tradition?
Ok, I'm sorry, I forgot. Its just the regular 'context without content', ill-coined grandiose phrases that leads nowhere as usual.
Wait o, I can see you are really into the Japanise lexicon, hmm...I love learning new things bro...but oh, see what you are planning to do with all that collections of yours. What do you do for a living to come to this conclusion? Why not expend yourself in positive use of time and resources? Why use panadol to another's headache ooo
A brilliant mind can do something spectacular with just so little linguistic resources at your disposal, like 'how far distance languages do match and what is in it to appreciate as knowledge'. Different institutions will definitely want to understand such human phenomenon.
But in the hands of a fool like you, as always, it is something to leave to the experts because the little you can never be one. Every of your post is begging for experts....maybe because you are already a failure at becoming one.
Odaaro sir, Baba sikira olodo.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 9:34pm On Sep 08, 2018|
absoluteSuccess:who was rubbished??
And what's this about people on whom I anchor faith on? I happen to deal with facts, anybody who can bring facts not faith on people
Lmao. so you thought I'm a jobless self acclaimed historian and linguist like yourself? I am well educated enough to respect the people who actually dedicate time and energy learning and researching, people who have university or at least a sound traditional training. I cannot claim to be a historian because I know some history, I cannot claim to be a linguist because I know a know a thing or two, the appropriate term is enthusiast
Unlike someone who has failed with everything else in life and thinks reinventing Yoruba history is the way out of irrelevance, poverty and miserably. Look don't let me face you personally so just don't go there, I'm not the one looking for how to survive by all means
You are a fraud, not versed in anything. If anybody wants to claim authority in a subject such person should have a basic understanding of the subject matter first, then move up to building that knowledge and understanding in an academic environment.
You lack basic knowledge of linguistic, you ignore etymology and meanings
I mean imagine "Hebrew" is "Ibẹru" in Yoruba And you claim to be an authority you are a criminal minded fellow
Funny enough your activities on nairaland still don't help your hustle for money(you don't get paid) , nor for relevance because while it might seem fine and rosy to make claims once you get hit with questions you burst out crying and bitching about it realizing how you have nothing but you won't admit it.
I've told you what to do, go to school. Go get basic education on the subject. Historical linguistics and history are courses you can study if you really want to make a living from Yoruba history
I believe the facts are very available, staring you right in the face.
The Volta–Niger family of languages, also known as West Benue–Congo or East Kwa, is one of the branches of the Niger–Congo language family, with perhaps 50 million speakers. Among these are the most important languages of southern Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and southeast Ghana: Yoruba, Igbo, Bini, Fon, and Ewe.
But I know you will ignore the facts and choose to remain in your delusions of Hebrew descent when you have no linguistic or DNA connection with Hebrews
there is no doubt about this. This is how Linguists know to classify Yoruba as a Volta - Niger language under the larger Niger - Congo group of languages. Linguists should have classified Yoruba as Semitic but alas, they did not. So it won't take an unemployed untrained fellow like yourself to change that, certainly not when you have no evidence to lay a superior argument
When you can counter this with evidence you will finally become relevant in life, until then, enjoy your failures
I can be an expert, so can you, all you need to do is study the subject. Go to school
Being an expert in history or linguists is not easy granted, because there is much to learn but anyone can achieve that by taking the right steps.
But the way you are now, you are nothing but a fraud.
I can't believe you are actually condemning me for leaving it to the experts, seriously?
OK, and then I joined you in reinventing by claiming Yoruba are Japanese (which you thought I was serious) but you attacked for that one, so it seems it is either middle east or nothing for you . By the way, I have a better case of Yoruba being Japanese than you do on Yoruba being Hebrew, I can go on just for fun.
I mean I don't have to say stupid shitt like Hebrew is ibẹru (fear in Yoruba), I'll give you real similar sounding words with similar meanings any gullible slowpoke will believe Yoruba are really Japanese
Ìwọ gangan ni olodo, ibi tí mo ti dé l'áyé yìí oò lè f'oju ri
Ìwọ aláìníṣẹ́ṣé, aláìní ànfàní èèyàn, tí Ìyìn àti Ògo èèyàn mí lo n'wá kiri. Lọ gb'ẹ̀kọ́, lọ fi àyè ẹ ṣíṣẹ́ òtítọ́. Oníjìbìtì lásán-làsàn òṣì
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|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:50pm On Sep 08, 2018|
absoluteSuccess:They are never your readers because to comprehend well researched work is a problem. In as much as nothing good can be seen inside omí àdàgun, why bother yourself? Hmmmm, dont bother yourself at someone who can't understand himself ,to even think of understanding others ,so let him continue to study so that his mindset will be driven away from falsified ‘KWA' Conglomorate.
On a last note, you are an Omo-olu-Iwa-bi,so please, ignore élégán and share what Yorub people don't know about Yoruba history so that you become a ‘god' in the sands of time. Don't forget, a mortal Orunmila, Olofin Odua, Ajaokuta,Oranmiyan Obalufon alaymore are acknowledged as ‘gods' today as even written in the Hebrew Book.....You are ‘gods'. I want you to know Purity beget purity,while Evil beget evil.
Peaceful time out to you and your family
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:38am On Sep 09, 2018|
absoluteSuccess:1. This does not answer the question. Why did Yoruba need christianity to expose us to the existence of the hebrews? If we are the lost jews, we would not need a foreign religion, the old testament would already be familiar to Yorubas
2. name these families and their towns. Like i said, Yoruba history is first and foremost family-based, by any means certain families might have come from outside yorubaland, but their traditions would state this and through these families the general yoruba people would be exposed to the existence of the original homeland of these families. the traditions of these, according to you, hebrew families should be understood by them, it is after all their tradition of origin and we should be able to identify them with the Hebrews through these traditions without bringing the bible into this, these traditions should be able to stand alone first before we move to drawing parallels and cross checking for confirmation with Hebrews themselves. for instance when the traditions of the Oyo royal families say their progenitor was a prince from Ife, we clearly have Ife in the traditions, then we know where to look. That is the method, any other thing is rough work, like wuruwuru to the answer in mathematics.
3. Since you claim Yoruba are Hebrews and Hebrews are very important to Islam. There are several hebrews mentioned in the Quran and the Hebrews mentioned as a collective to which the Yorubas should have known that this people talked about in the quran are Yoruba(or ancestors of the Yoruba)
certainly I know for you religion leads, facts are kept in the background that is why you propagate Hebrew supremacy as a non-catholic christian
same way muslims claim arab supremacy
This is not true of any part of the world, certainly not Yoruba. the yoruba do not forget their original history or culture. Despite the Ugbo people leaving Ife, they still conduct rituals and invite some of the Oluyare people in Ife and vice versa. There will always be reference to the homeland especially when we left people there and know they are still there.
The truth is that if yoruba descended from hebrews we would know it. Oyo came from Ife, Oyo know it and tell of it. It has nothing to do with subservience it is simply knowing where you come from, the details might be left out and forgotten but the name of where you come from will not and names of the ancestors from where they came will continue to resonate and we would know where this place is
If there is any Yoruba tradition that implies a hebrew connection, i mean explicitly citing a hebrew connection not deciphering parallels which can relate to any people on the planet, then Yorubas were indeed aware of hebrews before christianity
it is either we have traditions of hebrews or we do not. Randomly picking one thing and stretching it out to pin hebrew on it doesnt work, because you can do that for any people of the world.
1. So in other words, Yoruba have no tradition of Hebrew connection? but why perambulate around? If the hebrews have already been forgotten and faded away from Yoruba traditions, then Yoruba traditions is no longer a source. Why then do you contradict yourself in number 2?
3. so taking a linguistic approach. Although "yoruba words agreeing with hebrew words" sounds like patch work , forcing little pieces into unfitting holes. If you are to take a linguistic approach then you must utilize lingusitic methods : Examining the Morphology, Syntax and Semantics of Hebrew and Yoruba
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:07am On Sep 09, 2018|
hayoholla:there is no evidence of this foreign party; If Yorubaland has two groups of people, one aborigine and the other migrant, Yoruba tradition will not be aborigine-oriented, the traditions of the migrants would actually be fresher than that of the aborigines and therefore stronger but that is not the case. In Yoruba traditions, Ife is the source of humanity, it doesn't get more aborigine than that
why then do yoruba not know of the hyksos but even the greeks do? so we are the hyksos who ruled egypt but do not even know it?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:08am On Sep 09, 2018|
Obalufon:it is more true than you think
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by baby124: 2:36pm On Sep 09, 2018|
This trying to make Yoruba religion and culture subservient to a foreign source is an abomination and a degradation to our ancestors. So you are trying to say Africans did not have the brain to come up with a great civilization without external influence right? I think you should first deal with your self esteem issues first before trying to project those issues on a whole culture.
I am a Yoruba woman and I can trace my history past 5 generations. I have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Hebrew culture or Islam. My people are an organic west African people. Stop trying to destroy who we are. This ancestral heritage is our pride and our source in a world where it is thought that Africans are not capable of anything than to be wandering Unclad in the bush. Even Igbo people that were Unclad were doing quite advanced metal works but they let people tell them they are Jewish and all sorts of crap.
Please desist from this assault on Yoruba history and culture. We have nothing in common with Hebrews and we are not a lost Hebrew tribe we are Yoruba people. You can say the Hebrew are Yoruba people not Yoruba are Hebrew. After all all humanity sprung from the black race so saying we sprung from a newer race is an abomination. Our traditions are as old as time.
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|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:41pm On Sep 09, 2018|
Evolutional gab between yoruba and Ibo is so wide how could you compare .people that are barely clothed still running around Unclad in the 50s they are called ""Oni Ihooho" Unclad people by the Yorubas in the 40s and 50s.. there is no record of yoruba ever roaming around Unclad . Ibos are later migration from southern African region they are not breed of the great migration of human species .. There are two set of people in Nigerian northern people that migrated down south due to drought and desertification of the Sahara region which was once a fertile land with thriving civilization stretched from the coast of Senegal Mauritanian to Egypt and Sudan now covered under the sand of Sahara desert
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 5:32pm On Sep 09, 2018|
Olu317:You have not made yourself clear here.
I asked why did Yoruba need christianity to come before we knew the Hebrews existed? This is no response to the question
lets examine this one step at a time, no rush.
Can you narrate to me this oral account of migration and what towns speak of these migrations?
address my points before bringing your questions
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 6:42pm On Sep 09, 2018|
This is 2018, theologians are not the best people to go to for Yoruba linguistics
iye = eym
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 7:02pm On Sep 09, 2018|
I dont think the clothing style of Igbos has anything to do with this...we know very well that Yoruba and Igbo dress differently. So whether Igbos were Unclad up until recently doesnt mean they couldnt make clothes and are therefore not of the same common ancestry
1. from southern african region? you mean the Bantu expansion went south and at the same time Igbos were coming north? I think we all know Igbos are not Khoisan
2. And you are saying yorubas are among this northern people who migrated to Nigeria? therefore Yorubas are similar to Hausa than the Igbo?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:22pm On Sep 09, 2018|
nothing like cloth in the east than raffia palm and cannibalism even till today some Yoruba are scared to go to the east do your research .even in the northern Nigerian they were still discovering Unclad isolated people till the 80s.. ..
ibos kin are in Cameroon down to equatorial guinea into the Congo region .. Yoruba's are much older than the ibos in Nigeria..
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:55pm On Sep 09, 2018|
Obalufon:I thought i already explained how clothes or lack of it has nothing to do with the topic. Even Yorubas do not dress the same way so Igbos dressing differently or not dressing at all is not a factor
btw Igbos are not a Bantu or Semi-Bantu people(if you know what Bantu is)..as i see that is what you are insinuating by mentioning Cameroon and Congo
Another thing you have not thought of is that the Bantu migration started from Nigeria, so if Igbos are Bantu or Semi-Bantu that would make them older residents in Nigeria than even I think
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:22pm On Sep 09, 2018|
if the ibos are not bantu..what are they then .. Africans are not the same we are more than our skin color ..we are so diverse ..you may not believe i can tell the group people fall into mere looking at their skin tone and hue the texture of the skin and type hair texture anthropological features cranial shape limb and body proportion also eyes
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 10:15pm On Sep 09, 2018|
This is due to those stereotypical nonsense. It's not based on any true pattern unless you are going as far as differentiating a bushman from a cushitic or west African from berber. But closer groups like Yoruba and Igbo cannot be differentiated with any accurate phenotypical pattern
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:05pm On Sep 09, 2018|
macof:Of course not , but the theologians taking up linguistic work in 2018? Even with this as disregard for scholarly juxtaposition, the same set of Christians researchers that you condemn were the ones that classified African languages. And these same people's work help gave rise to different fields in human history. So,don't quote me wrong. On a last note, if you don't see the cognate, in what I screenshot , which werent contracted ,then I have no problem with it because others who understand it ,sees it. The ancient Hebrew you are seeing was deciphered in recent years and still being researched continuously because, the so called Hebrew language being spoken by 5,000+ Israelis was Roman-Greek influence language around 18th century when it was being revived and not ancient Hebrew's original language that passed through different phases. Believe it or not, every symbol was part of ancient form of writing.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:08pm On Sep 09, 2018|
macof:Noone said theologian taking up linguistic work in 2018 is right because avenue to study is much available under the right circumstances (paper certification) but the same set of Christians researchers were the ones that classified African languages. The same people's work help gave rise to different fields in human history. So,don't quote me wrong. If you don't see the cognate, in what I screenshot , which werent contracted ,then I have no problem with it because others who understand it ,sees it. The ancient Hebrew you are seeing was deciphered in recent years and still being researched continuously because, the so called Hebrew language being spoken by 5,000,000+ Israelis was Roman-Greek influence language around 18th century when it was being revived and not ancient Hebrew's original language that passed through different phases. Believe it or not, every symbol was part of ancient form of writing.
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:28pm On Sep 09, 2018|
we are different .. the difference is not obvious because we're living together illusion of the brain...
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 11:57pm On Sep 09, 2018|
Obalufon:difference has levels, but for Yoruba and Igbo, I think it's because we are living together those Stereotypes are so popular
A non-Nigeria wouldn't be able to tell the difference using all the methods you claimed because they're not accurate
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 12:22am On Sep 10, 2018|
OlaoChi:.. so you think ...Benin republic yoruba /anago will pick out ibos from yoruba because they are our cousin.. Hausa man know themselves ..during the civilize war yoruba can't infiltrate the ibos without getting detected even with good knowledge of ibo language and culture..hausa man know what they look like ..
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 1:50am On Sep 10, 2018|
Would like to see you prove this your claims
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 2:43am On Sep 10, 2018|
i know you can differentiate yoruba old fella from ibo old fella because the identity get more obvious with advance in age
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 3:13am On Sep 10, 2018|
You people are still busy linking Sango and King Solomon by fire and by force
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:25am On Sep 10, 2018|
macof:The Yorubas knew who they were,even if part of their account disappeared in between in the same manner the way metaphysical powers are lost from generation to generation. Anyway, human history specifically were recorded in oral during the early stage of civilization and Yorubas arent different. The Oral history, then the advent of ancient form of writing in ; hieroglyphs, cuneiform and pictographs, as well as 21st advanced discovery of genetic links to be used as an avenue to understudy the behavioural pattern of people. The history of yoruba was partly recorded via their interaction with other groups they met because of yoruba always inplant a footprint in the minds of the kingdoms they once lived. The 12th-13th century acknowledged by a Muslims coverts known as Ibn Battusa mentioned Yoruba in his account before Ahmed Baba in Timbuktu did and the extensive western christians researchers discoveries were the reason ‘light'was beam on Yoruba people.
Naturally,each development of human phases were as a result of independent and learned knowledge and when such knowledge is annexed and put into use,it become a way of life for such people. And Yoruba as a people portray a studied group that their history could be linked back to names,people, towns,etc that were said to have vanished over 3000 years ago through Sudan belt.
Furthermore, the ancient religious circle' researchers acknowledge traces of non aboriginal narration in the corpus in Odu IFA,when Orunmila's storyline is being narrated by IFA priest's interpreter. Mind you, Morroco has the current oldest fossil ,followed by Israel and Ethiopia respectively. Infact, human fossil found in China is older than the one found in Iwo Eleru in Yoruba land. So when there are need to seek out Yoruba's entity,it won't be as difficult as few people have made it look because there are documented accounts of different people that had a glorious kingdom in the ancient world.
The point here is that many methodology are used and still being used in modern times to ascertain authenticity of oral account of people.
Can you really explain where Yoruba coined or got the fabric called ‘àdìré' ?
Do you know that àdiré cogante is also found in ancient Hebrew's account?
Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àlàrà? Which part of the world did Àlàrà reigned?
Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àrèsa? Which part of the world did Àrèsà reigned?
Do you also know that Yoruba's Ìlù(town-city) also have have same meaning with ancient Hebrew's word, also mentioned in Egypt's account and Akkadian word for town?
Kindly widen your horizon so as to know what others from different culture know and use it as an added/accrued knowledge, in order to do it better. This was the way of our ancestors....And the rest of the world kept looking for them and try to seek them out. Plainly, the western researchers know who the Yorubas are!
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:36am On Sep 10, 2018|
Yoruba called themselves ""eniyan"" The chosen . .You can't be the chosen if you are not yoruba.. Our forefathers pride themselves in that statement ..they see their neighbors as uncivilized animals .
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:03pm On Sep 10, 2018|
Obalufon:Precisely , the Yorubas are the only people on the face of Earth called, Èdà'. This is more thicker than èníyán because èdà as a word existed before ènìyán in Yoruba ancient lexicon( èdà+èníyán). We are the children of Èlè'dà,who made us know and understand the concept of ‘Ori'. This is the beginning and the end of Yoruba concept of one's creation and well being.
Despite many people in Yoruba enclave through intetmarriages, Yoruba still stand out as a great ethnicity . Although, we must show humility when need be and must be ready when need be because, Èlèdùmàrè is our God.
I am 100% YORUBA
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:36pm On Sep 10, 2018|
what do you think about the akoko i need your expertise akoko people ..They claim ife as their source yet they speak distinct language from yoruba
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:53pm On Sep 10, 2018|
Olu317:this is the only part of your entire post that addresses my question.
So if Yoruba knew of the hebrews and knew we were hebrews before christianity was introduced what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?
surely for you to know these remnant traditions that i and many others do not know, you must have your sources? Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from
I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions
1. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? and what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts
2. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work
so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?
3. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes
4. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?
Orunmila? same Orunmila that i know very well came from Oke-igeti (Yorubaland)
If it is orunmila don't even go there
5. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?
1. Adire ... Adi - tie, re - dye
2. ancient hebrew? you realize Adire is not even ancient yoruba. Although i guess 'ancient yoruba' has not been properly defined but anyway what do you even mean by "cognate in ancient hebrew account"? do you mean language or tradition?
3. Orunmila himself acknowledged Alara, Alara is a descendant of Orunmila and reigned in Ekiti
4. Aresa of Iresa you mean? Iresa that is an Oyo town? how is Iresa connected to Hebrews?
5. I dont understand what you mean by "egyptian account"...eh, of course 'Ilu' will have the same meaning of the word for 'town' in any language, 'Ilu' has the same meaning as 'town' like literally.. so what are you saying exactly?
widening of horizon shouldnt mean throwing caution out the window or not questioning people who make claims.
what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors? you are not even involved in isese so what ways do you think you know?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:57pm On Sep 10, 2018|
Obalufon:anago are not yoruba cousins, anago are yoruba...huge difference
and whats all this about looks? since when did looks pin point one's hometown or native language in a see of people of the same race?
|Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:06pm On Sep 10, 2018|
Obalufon:Yoruba call every human being 'eniyan' even the europeans are eniyan because 'eniyan' means 'human'
So trying to twist this to the hebrew 'chosen people' fails here
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