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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 4:19pm On Sep 08, 2018
0balufonlll:


Loooool.

Brother mi, this one loud o. grin. E be like this infantile play of finding baseless similarities across the world don rub off on you o cheesy. Na to enter Japan go claim the islands o.

Make me sef join the ere omode:

- Amin = Omen

- Okere = Squirrel

- Okun = Ocean


Baba see below, e be like na Yoruba get the whole earth self because every thing seems traced to us.
. grin grin just for fun brother.

Yoruba are truly people of the world, anywhere but Africa. We share so much with our people faraway but nothing with our neighbors
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 4:52pm On Sep 08, 2018
OlaoChi:
. grin grin just for fun brother.

Yoruba are truly people of the world, anywhere but Africa. We share so much with our people faraway but nothing with our neighbors

LMAO na the summary of the whole be the emboldened o, e weak me.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 7:20pm On Sep 08, 2018
OlaoChi:


I'm just having fun here. Sarcasm is fun cheesy grin

If you think I believe Yoruba are Japanese you have a problem. But then for any Hebrew connection you want to bring I have Japanese connection.. Did I not tell you I know how to invent stories too? [

Do I need border about what you believe? The ones you anchor your faith on here has just been rubbished without any argument in that direction from you. All you need do now is to go back to your original antics na, cheesy cheesy cheesy afterall you have no idea of your own, just keep on fighting, and I will keep on posting as well. So, nothing changes.

Since Yoruba origin can now be figured by untrained fellows like you and I by matching up words without recourse for proper linguistic methods

LOLZ

You are the untrained fellow na, cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Only a fool will always confirm himself to be a fool. I'm well trained and very versed in what I've been doing, but you don't know what to hang on anymore, than this. But wait o, how about telling your readers what you know about Yoruba history? Are you being so careful?

Whatever happens to your recent coinages, I mean linguistic classification and multiple aboriginality? Can't you proof this your conclusion with facts or inventions or some findings you've come across in your inspirational tales you stumble upon in Yoruba tradition?

Ok, I'm sorry, I forgot. Its just the regular 'context without content', ill-coined grandiose phrases that leads nowhere as usual. undecided undecided


Japanese - kodomo, Ie
Yoruba - omo, Ile
English - child, home


Japan is Yoruba real home wink

Wait o, I can see you are really into the Japanise lexicon, hmm...I love learning new things bro...but oh, see what you are planning to do with all that collections of yours. What do you do for a living to come to this conclusion? Why not expend yourself in positive use of time and resources? Why use panadol to another's headache ooo lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

A brilliant mind can do something spectacular with just so little linguistic resources at your disposal, like 'how far distance languages do match and what is in it to appreciate as knowledge'. Different institutions will definitely want to understand such human phenomenon.


But in the hands of a fool like you, as always, it is something to leave to the experts because the little you can never be one. Every of your post is begging for experts....maybe because you are already a failure at becoming one.

Odaaro sir, Baba sikira olodo.


grin grin grin grin

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 9:34pm On Sep 08, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


Do I need border about what you believe? The ones you anchor your faith on here has just been rubbished without any argument in that direction from you. All you need do now is to go back to your original antics na, cheesy cheesy cheesy afterall you have no idea of your own, just keep on fighting, so nothing changes.

who was rubbished??
And what's this about people on whom I anchor faith on? I happen to deal with facts, anybody who can bring facts not faith on people


LOLZ

You are the untrained fellow na, cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Only a fool will always confirm himself to be a fool. I'm well trained and very versed in what I've been doing, But you don't know what to hang on anymore, then this. How about telling your readers what you know about Yoruba history? Are you being careful?

Lmao. cheesy so you thought I'm a jobless self acclaimed historian and linguist like yourself? I am well educated enough to respect the people who actually dedicate time and energy learning and researching, people who have university or at least a sound traditional training. I cannot claim to be a historian because I know some history, I cannot claim to be a linguist because I know a know a thing or two, the appropriate term is enthusiast

Unlike someone who has failed with everything else in life and thinks reinventing Yoruba history is the way out of irrelevance, poverty and miserably. Look don't let me face you personally so just don't go there, I'm not the one looking for how to survive by all means

You are a fraud, not versed in anything. If anybody wants to claim authority in a subject such person should have a basic understanding of the subject matter first, then move up to building that knowledge and understanding in an academic environment.
You lack basic knowledge of linguistic, you ignore etymology and meanings
I mean imagine "Hebrew" is "Ibẹru" in Yoruba And you claim to be an authority cheesy grin you are a criminal minded fellow



Funny enough your activities on nairaland still don't help your hustle for money(you don't get paid) , nor for relevance because while it might seem fine and rosy to make claims once you get hit with questions you burst out crying and bitching about it realizing how you have nothing but you won't admit it.

I've told you what to do, go to school. Go get basic education on the subject. Historical linguistics and history are courses you can study if you really want to make a living from Yoruba history




whatever happens to linguistic classification and multiple aboriginality? Can't you proof this your conclusion with facts? No, its just context without content. I can see you are into Japanise lexicon, hmm...I love learning new things bro...


I believe the facts are very available, staring you right in the face.

The Volta–Niger family of languages, also known as West Benue–Congo or East Kwa, is one of the branches of the Niger–Congo language family, with perhaps 50 million speakers. Among these are the most important languages of southern Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and southeast Ghana: Yoruba, Igbo, Bini, Fon, and Ewe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volta%E2%80%93Niger_languages

Incidence of E-M2 DNA
Bamileke 96%-100%
Ewe 97%
Ga 97%
Yoruba 93.1%
Tutsi 85%
Fante 84%
Mandinka 79%-87%


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2

But I know you will ignore the facts and choose to remain in your delusions of Hebrew descent when you have no linguistic or DNA connection with Hebrews



A brilliant mind can do something with just so little linguistic resources at your disposal as to how far distance languages do match and whatever is in it to appreciate as knowledge, and then different institutions will definitely want to understand such human phenomenon.
there is no doubt about this. This is how Linguists know to classify Yoruba as a Volta - Niger language under the larger Niger - Congo group of languages. Linguists should have classified Yoruba as Semitic but alas, they did not. So it won't take an unemployed untrained fellow like yourself to change that, certainly not when you have no evidence to lay a superior argument



The most widely spoken Niger–Congo languages by number of native speakers are Yoruba, Igbo, Fula and Shona. The most widely spoken by number of speakers is Swahili.

While the ultimate genetic unity of Niger–Congo is widely accepted (aside from Dogon, Mande and a few other languages), the internal cladistic structure of Niger–Congo is not well established.


According to Roger Blench (2004), all specialists in Niger–Congo languages believe the languages to have a common origin, rather than merely constituting a typological classification, for reasons including their shared noun-class system, shared verbal extensions and shared basic lexicon. Similar classifications to Niger–Congo have been made ever since Diedrich Westermann in 1922. Joseph Greenberg continued that tradition, making it the starting point for modern linguistic classification in Africa, with some of his most notable publications going to press starting in the 1960s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages



When you can counter this with evidence you will finally become relevant in life, until then, enjoy your failures kiss


But in the hands of a fool like you, as always, it is something to leave to the experts because the little you can never be one.

Odaaro sir, Baba sikira olodo.


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I can be an expert, so can you, all you need to do is study the subject. Go to school

Being an expert in history or linguists is not easy granted, because there is much to learn but anyone can achieve that by taking the right steps.

But the way you are now, you are nothing but a fraud.

I can't believe you are actually condemning me for leaving it to the experts, seriously?

OK, and then I joined you in reinventing by claiming Yoruba are Japanese (which you thought I was serious) but you attacked for that one, so it seems it is either middle east or nothing for you cheesy. By the way, I have a better case of Yoruba being Japanese than you do on Yoruba being Hebrew, I can go on just for fun.
I mean I don't have to say stupid shitt like Hebrew is ibẹru (fear in Yoruba), I'll give you real similar sounding words with similar meanings any gullible slowpoke will believe Yoruba are really Japanese

Ìwọ gangan ni olodo, ibi tí mo ti dé l'áyé yìí oò lè f'oju ri
Ìwọ aláìníṣẹ́ṣé, aláìní ànfàní èèyàn, tí Ìyìn àti Ògo èèyàn mí lo n'wá kiri. Lọ gb'ẹ̀kọ́, lọ fi àyè ẹ ṣíṣẹ́ òtítọ́. Oníjìbìtì lásán-làsàn òṣì

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:50pm On Sep 08, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


Do I need border about what you believe? The ones you anchor your faith on here has just been rubbished without any argument in that direction from you. All you need do now is to go back to your original antics na, cheesy cheesy cheesy afterall you have no idea of your own, just keep on fighting, and I will keep on posting as well. So, nothing changes.



LOLZ

You are the untrained fellow na, cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Only a fool will always confirm himself to be a fool. I'm well trained and very versed in what I've been doing, but you don't know what to hang on anymore, than this. But wait o, how about telling your readers what you know about Yoruba history? Are you being so careful?

Whatever happens to your recent coinages, I mean linguistic classification and multiple aboriginality? Can't you proof this your conclusion with facts or inventions or some findings you've come across in your inspirational tales you stumble upon in Yoruba tradition?

Ok, I'm sorry, I forgot. Its just the regular 'context without content', ill-coined grandiose phrases that leads nowhere as usual. undecided undecided



Wait o, I can see you are really into the Japanise lexicon, hmm...I love learning new things bro...but oh, see what you are planning to do with all that collections of yours. What do you do for a living to come to this conclusion? Why not expend yourself in positive use of time and resources? Why use panadol to another's headache ooo lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

A brilliant mind can do something spectacular with just so little linguistic resources at your disposal, like 'how far distance languages do match and what is in it to appreciate as knowledge'. Different institutions will definitely want to understand such human phenomenon.


But in the hands of a fool like you, as always, it is something to leave to the experts because the little you can never be one. Every of your post is begging for experts....maybe because you are already a failure at becoming one.

Odaaro sir, Baba sikira olodo.


grin grin grin grin
They are never your readers because to comprehend well researched work is a problem. In as much as nothing good can be seen inside omí àdàgun, why bother yourself? Hmmmm, dont bother yourself at someone who can't understand himself ,to even think of understanding others ,so let him continue to study so that his mindset will be driven away from falsified ‘KWA' Conglomorate.

On a last note, you are an Omo-olu-Iwa-bi,so please, ignore élégán and share what Yorub people don't know about Yoruba history so that you become a ‘god' in the sands of time. Don't forget, a mortal Orunmila, Olofin Odua, Ajaokuta,Oranmiyan Obalufon alaymore are acknowledged as ‘gods' today as even written in the Hebrew Book.....You are ‘gods'. I want you to know Purity beget purity,while Evil beget evil.


Peaceful time out to you and your family cool
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:38am On Sep 09, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


1. Because the Christians adopted Hebrew scriptures, the old testaments that detailed Hebrew history and their defunct kingdom in the
Levant region.

2. There are many families with sketchy traditions that you can only understand in details in the Hebrew scriptures, if you agree with them,
but only if you can decipher such traditions' true meaning.

3. Whatever you mean by that, (perhaps you mean that Yoruba came in contact with Islam before Christianity). Well, the hebrew are a people and not a religious organisation. Islam is a religious organisation of the Arabs like Christianity. People teach people religion, but people are born into a race. The race or tribe is kept to the background in religion, the religious ethos takes the lead.

1. This does not answer the question. Why did Yoruba need christianity to expose us to the existence of the hebrews? If we are the lost jews, we would not need a foreign religion, the old testament would already be familiar to Yorubas

2. name these families and their towns. Like i said, Yoruba history is first and foremost family-based, by any means certain families might have come from outside yorubaland, but their traditions would state this and through these families the general yoruba people would be exposed to the existence of the original homeland of these families. the traditions of these, according to you, hebrew families should be understood by them, it is after all their tradition of origin and we should be able to identify them with the Hebrews through these traditions without bringing the bible into this, these traditions should be able to stand alone first before we move to drawing parallels and cross checking for confirmation with Hebrews themselves. for instance when the traditions of the Oyo royal families say their progenitor was a prince from Ife, we clearly have Ife in the traditions, then we know where to look. That is the method, any other thing is rough work, like wuruwuru to the answer in mathematics.

3. Since you claim Yoruba are Hebrews and Hebrews are very important to Islam. There are several hebrews mentioned in the Quran and the Hebrews mentioned as a collective to which the Yorubas should have known that this people talked about in the quran are Yoruba(or ancestors of the Yoruba)

certainly I know for you religion leads, facts are kept in the background that is why you propagate Hebrew supremacy as a non-catholic christian
same way muslims claim arab supremacy



3.b: People have no need for their 'original' history or culture to survive in the ancient time, their migration is a new identity and nationality is of no value the moment you leave your homeland. Your eyes is set to "create new adventure" that becomes your new identity. They were in search of a glory. There is no state that pride itself as the subset of another politically, and America comes to mind.


This is not true of any part of the world, certainly not Yoruba. the yoruba do not forget their original history or culture. Despite the Ugbo people leaving Ife, they still conduct rituals and invite some of the Oluyare people in Ife and vice versa. There will always be reference to the homeland especially when we left people there and know they are still there.
The truth is that if yoruba descended from hebrews we would know it. Oyo came from Ife, Oyo know it and tell of it. It has nothing to do with subservience it is simply knowing where you come from, the details might be left out and forgotten but the name of where you come from will not and names of the ancestors from where they came will continue to resonate and we would know where this place is




The America's founding fathers came from somewhere, but their history is not about where they came from, but who they were as a political entity. Yoruba does not need to be aware of hebrew, it is the various antiquity items within 'ancient Yoruba tradition' that needed to agree with that of 'ancient hebrew tradition. Those with the hebrew connection in Yoruba history are long gone, but their totem is what we are evaluating and re-validating.
If there is any Yoruba tradition that implies a hebrew connection, i mean explicitly citing a hebrew connection not deciphering parallels which can relate to any people on the planet, then Yorubas were indeed aware of hebrews before christianity
it is either we have traditions of hebrews or we do not. Randomly picking one thing and stretching it out to pin hebrew on it doesnt work, because you can do that for any people of the world.


Some Hindsight and My Research Methodology

Ancient people value their new abode than where they are coming from, and their original culture is of no significance to them for survival, compare to human qualities such as bravery, courage, faith and enterprise. Where they are coming from is secondary.

The incoming generation afterwards will reverence their founding fathers 'heroic deeds' than 1. 'the unknown people' before them, and the memory of the earliest people will fade off to sketches and imponderable bits of history. It is the natural order of things.

As the genealogy continues, the founding heroes will equally fade in relevance and remain as totem, statues and as names of shrines. Memories will overlap older memories. However, the phases of history is not completely eroded, if you are an antiquarian.

The Antiquarians' work

The antiquarian need no answer to start. Yoruba need no reason to identify with the hebrew, and the hebrew don't need to identify with the Yoruba. 2. It is "Yoruba traditions" or some imponderable words in Yoruba tradition that needs to agree with "hebrew tradition", or 3. hebrew words agrees with Yoruba words.

When that happens, you isolate and review the two items collectively and objectively. You also continue your findings in various early traditions that may be obscure to social changes, areas that are not often given to indigenization with the passage of time for more items.

If you find the comparison convincing enough, then it becomes a subject of debate, and if you have convincing evidence to proof your point, whoever agree with you is welcome. You can't win everyone to your convictions or conclusion.

If you like to contribute, you are welcome. However, we are old friends and I know your angles and antics. Please be serious.

Thanks.

1. So in other words, Yoruba have no tradition of Hebrew connection? but why perambulate around? If the hebrews have already been forgotten and faded away from Yoruba traditions, then Yoruba traditions is no longer a source. Why then do you contradict yourself in number 2?

3. so taking a linguistic approach. Although "yoruba words agreeing with hebrew words" sounds like patch work , forcing little pieces into unfitting holes. If you are to take a linguistic approach then you must utilize lingusitic methods : Examining the Morphology, Syntax and Semantics of Hebrew and Yoruba

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:07am On Sep 09, 2018
hayoholla:
obalufonlll
olu317
absolute success
macof
obalufon

dont you think at some point there was diffusion in yoruba history, I am starting to think yoruba is a the merging of two culture, one aboriginal and indigenous and the other foreign; which makes me think the aboriginal were kind of connected to the ibos or rightly put were a giant cluster until they split of at some point and the foreigner were the dominant group with little or no difference to the indigenous group, only that they have a superior culture that dominated the indeginous group both in language and way of life in general! I think they kind of reconnected back to the beginning where it all started.
there is no evidence of this foreign party; If Yorubaland has two groups of people, one aborigine and the other migrant, Yoruba tradition will not be aborigine-oriented, the traditions of the migrants would actually be fresher than that of the aborigines and therefore stronger but that is not the case. In Yoruba traditions, Ife is the source of humanity, it doesn't get more aborigine than that



mr olu317, this is for you sire. I read somewhere that the hyskos were infact the isrealite of old, that the various pharoahs that reigned in old egypt did not come from a single bloodline or race, that egypt itself has been invaded many times and many pharoahs of different ancestry and bloodlines has ruled there. the reason why I brought this up was because. you said somewhere in ur post that the early hebrew and the ethiopian nubian lived in egypt. the article also was of the opinion that the hyskos were driven out because of their domineering influence in culture and importantly, because of their numerical strenght. maybe they were driven eastward to present day yoruba nation. just a wide guess.

I am anticipating your contributions from you all. maybe we are "subtlely" agreeing on the same thing afterall!

why then do yoruba not know of the hyksos but even the greeks do? so we are the hyksos who ruled egypt but do not even know it?

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 1:08am On Sep 09, 2018
Obalufon:
Yoruba and ibo from the same source ..FALSE
it is more true than you think
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by baby124: 2:36pm On Sep 09, 2018
This trying to make Yoruba religion and culture subservient to a foreign source is an abomination and a degradation to our ancestors. So you are trying to say Africans did not have the brain to come up with a great civilization without external influence right? I think you should first deal with your self esteem issues first before trying to project those issues on a whole culture.

I am a Yoruba woman and I can trace my history past 5 generations. I have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Hebrew culture or Islam. My people are an organic west African people. Stop trying to destroy who we are. This ancestral heritage is our pride and our source in a world where it is thought that Africans are not capable of anything than to be wandering Unclad in the bush. Even Igbo people that were Unclad were doing quite advanced metal works but they let people tell them they are Jewish and all sorts of crap.

Please desist from this assault on Yoruba history and culture. We have nothing in common with Hebrews and we are not a lost Hebrew tribe we are Yoruba people. You can say the Hebrew are Yoruba people not Yoruba are Hebrew. After all all humanity sprung from the black race so saying we sprung from a newer race is an abomination. Our traditions are as old as time.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:41pm On Sep 09, 2018
macof:
it is more true than you think

Evolutional gab between yoruba and Ibo is so wide how could you compare .people that are barely clothed still running around Unclad in the 50s they are called ""Oni Ihooho" Unclad people by the Yorubas in the 40s and 50s.. there is no record of yoruba ever roaming around Unclad . Ibos are later migration from southern African region they are not breed of the great migration of human species .. There are two set of people in Nigerian northern people that migrated down south due to drought and desertification of the Sahara region which was once a fertile land with thriving civilization stretched from the coast of Senegal Mauritanian to Egypt and Sudan now covered under the sand of Sahara desert
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 5:32pm On Sep 09, 2018
Olu317:
Yes Islam came before christianity but Orun is not in ancient Arabic as it is seen in Hebrew ‘or',which is fire-light . Even, Yoruba oral account even recorded in IFA corpus did mentioned Orunmila coming from Orun, which showed semblance with Ur -Or in Middle East.True or false is left for anyone to agree to it. Yoruba of ancient acknowledged migration from their oral acount which people like you and others have disagreed upon but some informatiion in this 21st cant be wrong when many of these wesstern researcher are interpreting ancient Pictographs, Hieroglyphs,cuniform,meanwhile we are reffering only to Oral account.
You have not made yourself clear here.
I asked why did Yoruba need christianity to come before we knew the Hebrews existed? This is no response to the question
lets examine this one step at a time, no rush.


Can you narrate to me this oral account of migration and what towns speak of these migrations?



Furthermore one of the major reason for the christians to find yoruba history fascinating was the manner at which who is who is known in their historical account. From the kings to the commoners in the acient time. And before now ,there was an account that the whereabout of the Hebrews of ten tribes was unknown when they disappeared in Egypt between the Hykos invasion and when the Hykos were chased out of Egypt,with a population of over 200,000,according to other account ,it is higher so they( researchers) were looking for the ten lost tribe of ancient Hebrew which was documented in Papyrus of Babylonian, Greek Roman, Egyptian and Persian Cuneiform etc.,Do you know how many times Roman Empire and some other European theologists have doctored the Bible to fit in to their skin complexion? Look up King James version for reading sake even if you arent Christian oriented but view the complexion of Hebrews. Do you know geneaology really begun around 15th century in Europe ? This is somethings that has been eternal with Yoruba Race . Unfortunately part of Yoruba history is lost which must be reconstructed. If you doubt, why is Yoruba history centered around Odua the King and Obatala? Meanwhile both men died . What about Orunmila, was he a human being or not ? Who was his father if he was a human being? Did any part of Ifa corpus acknowledged that Orunmila married? As a scholar, if you are among the gods, you will know that this journey has nothing to do with distortion of a well cherished nation like Yorubas but to be place her in a more respected role she need to play in the commodity of nation as the chosen of God whom he , God spoke with their ancestors.

Is this screenshot a contraction too of what plane or birds does on air? Kindly Pronounce it in Yoruba.

address my points before bringing your questions
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 6:42pm On Sep 09, 2018
Olu317:
macof,being a scholar and a critic, how do you counter the cognate of Yoruba word for ‘mother ' (Ìyè), to have same shared word with ancient Hebrew's lexicon? You being a critic of many people who see these things as Olumide Lucas, Bolaji Idowu but without strong evidence as I have in 21st century.



Yoruba: ìyè
Meaning: mother
Hebrew: eym
Meaning: mother

This is 2018, theologians are not the best people to go to for Yoruba linguistics

iye = eym
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 7:02pm On Sep 09, 2018
Obalufon:


Evolutional gab between yoruba and Ibo is so wide how could you compare .people that are barely clothed still running around Unclad in the 50s they are called ""Oni Ihooho" Unclad people by the Yorubas in the 40s and 50s.. there is no record of yoruba ever roaming around Unclad . 1. Ibos are later migration from southern African region they are not breed of the great migration of human species .. There are two set of people in Nigerian northern people that migrated down south due to drought and desertification of the Sahara region which was once a fertile land with thriving civilization stretched from the coast of Senegal Mauritanian to Egypt and Sudan now covered under the sand of Sahara desert

I dont think the clothing style of Igbos has anything to do with this...we know very well that Yoruba and Igbo dress differently. So whether Igbos were Unclad up until recently doesnt mean they couldnt make clothes and are therefore not of the same common ancestry

1. from southern african region? you mean the Bantu expansion went south and at the same time Igbos were coming north? I think we all know Igbos are not Khoisan
2. And you are saying yorubas are among this northern people who migrated to Nigeria? therefore Yorubas are similar to Hausa than the Igbo?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:22pm On Sep 09, 2018
macof:

I dont think the clothing style of Igbos has anything to do with this...we know very well that Yoruba and Igbo dress differently. So whether Igbos were Unclad up until recently doesnt mean they couldnt make clothes and are therefore not of the same common ancestry

1. from southern african region? you mean the Bantu expansion went south and at the same time Igbos were coming north? I think we all know Igbos are not Khoisan
2. And you are saying yorubas are among this northern people who migrated to Nigeria? therefore Yorubas are similar to Hausa than the Igbo?

nothing like cloth in the east than raffia palm and cannibalism even till today some Yoruba are scared to go to the east do your research .even in the northern Nigerian they were still discovering Unclad isolated people till the 80s.. ..
ibos kin are in Cameroon down to equatorial guinea into the Congo region .. Yoruba's are much older than the ibos in Nigeria..
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:55pm On Sep 09, 2018
Obalufon:


nothing like cloth in the east than raffia palm and cannibalism even till today some Yoruba are scared to go to the east do your research .even in the northern Nigerian they were still discovering Unclad isolated people till the 80s.. ..
ibos kin are in Cameroon down to equatorial guinea into the Congo region .. Yoruba's are much older than the ibos in Nigeria..
I thought i already explained how clothes or lack of it has nothing to do with the topic. Even Yorubas do not dress the same way so Igbos dressing differently or not dressing at all is not a factor

btw Igbos are not a Bantu or Semi-Bantu people(if you know what Bantu is)..as i see that is what you are insinuating by mentioning Cameroon and Congo
Another thing you have not thought of is that the Bantu migration started from Nigeria, so if Igbos are Bantu or Semi-Bantu that would make them older residents in Nigeria than even I think
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:22pm On Sep 09, 2018
if the ibos are not bantu..what are they then .. Africans are not the same we are more than our skin color ..we are so diverse ..you may not believe i can tell the group people fall into mere looking at their skin tone and hue the texture of the skin and type hair texture anthropological features cranial shape limb and body proportion also eyes
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 10:15pm On Sep 09, 2018
Obalufon:
if the ibos are not bantu..what are they then .. Africans are not the same we are more than our skin color ..we are so diverse ..you may not believe i can tell the group people fall into mere looking at their skin tone and hue the texture of the skin and type hair texture anthropological features cranial shape limb and body proportion also eyes



This is due to those stereotypical nonsense. It's not based on any true pattern unless you are going as far as differentiating a bushman from a cushitic or west African from berber. But closer groups like Yoruba and Igbo cannot be differentiated with any accurate phenotypical pattern
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:05pm On Sep 09, 2018
macof:


This is 2018, theologians are not the best people to go to for Yoruba linguistics

iye = eym
Of course not , but the theologians taking up linguistic work in 2018? Even with this as disregard for scholarly juxtaposition, the same set of Christians researchers that you condemn were the ones that classified African languages. And these same people's work help gave rise to different fields in human history. So,don't quote me wrong. On a last note, if you don't see the cognate, in what I screenshot , which werent contracted ,then I have no problem with it because others who understand it ,sees it. The ancient Hebrew you are seeing was deciphered in recent years and still being researched continuously because, the so called Hebrew language being spoken by 5,000+ Israelis was Roman-Greek influence language around 18th century when it was being revived and not ancient Hebrew's original language that passed through different phases. Believe it or not, every symbol was part of ancient form of writing.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:08pm On Sep 09, 2018
macof:


This is 2018, theologians are not the best people to go to for Yoruba linguistics

iye = eym
Noone said theologian taking up linguistic work in 2018 is right because avenue to study is much available under the right circumstances (paper certification) but the same set of Christians researchers were the ones that classified African languages. The same people's work help gave rise to different fields in human history. So,don't quote me wrong. If you don't see the cognate, in what I screenshot , which werent contracted ,then I have no problem with it because others who understand it ,sees it. The ancient Hebrew you are seeing was deciphered in recent years and still being researched continuously because, the so called Hebrew language being spoken by 5,000,000+ Israelis was Roman-Greek influence language around 18th century when it was being revived and not ancient Hebrew's original language that passed through different phases. Believe it or not, every symbol was part of ancient form of writing.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:28pm On Sep 09, 2018
OlaoChi:


This is due to those stereotypical nonsense. It's not based on any true pattern unless you are going as far as differentiating a bushman from a cushitic or west African from berber. But closer groups like Yoruba and Igbo cannot be differentiated with any accurate phenotypical pattern

we are different .. the difference is not obvious because we're living together illusion of the brain...
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 11:57pm On Sep 09, 2018
Obalufon:


we are different .. the difference is not obvious because we're living together illusion of the brain...
difference has levels, but for Yoruba and Igbo, I think it's because we are living together those Stereotypes are so popular
A non-Nigeria wouldn't be able to tell the difference using all the methods you claimed because they're not accurate
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 12:22am On Sep 10, 2018
OlaoChi:
difference has levels, but for Yoruba and Igbo, I think it's because we are living together those Stereotypes are so popular
A non-Nigeria wouldn't be able to tell the difference using all the methods you claimed because they're not accurate
.. so you think ...Benin republic yoruba /anago will pick out ibos from yoruba because they are our cousin.. Hausa man know themselves ..during the civilize war yoruba can't infiltrate the ibos without getting detected even with good knowledge of ibo language and culture..hausa man know what they look like ..
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 1:50am On Sep 10, 2018
Obalufon:
.. so you think ...Benin republic yoruba /anago will pick out ibos from yoruba because they are our cousin.. Hausa man know themselves ..during the civilize war yoruba can't infiltrate the ibos without getting detected even with good knowledge of ibo language and culture..hausa man know what they look like ..

Would like to see you prove this your claims
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 2:43am On Sep 10, 2018
OlaoChi:


Would like to see you prove this your claims

i know you can differentiate yoruba old fella from ibo old fella because the identity get more obvious with advance in age
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 3:13am On Sep 10, 2018
You people are still busy linking Sango and King Solomon by fire and by force grin
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:25am On Sep 10, 2018
macof:
You have not made yourself clear here.
I asked why did Yoruba need christianity to come before we knew the Hebrews existed? This is no response to the question
lets examine this one step at a time, no rush.


Can you narrate to me this oral account of migration and what towns speak of these migrations?



address my points before bringing your questions
The Yorubas knew who they were,even if part of their account disappeared in between in the same manner the way metaphysical powers are lost from generation to generation. Anyway, human history specifically were recorded in oral during the early stage of civilization and Yorubas arent different. The Oral history, then the advent of ancient form of writing in ; hieroglyphs, cuneiform and pictographs, as well as 21st advanced discovery of genetic links to be used as an avenue to understudy the behavioural pattern of people. The history of yoruba was partly recorded via their interaction with other groups they met because of yoruba always inplant a footprint in the minds of the kingdoms they once lived. The 12th-13th century acknowledged by a Muslims coverts known as Ibn Battusa mentioned Yoruba in his account before Ahmed Baba in Timbuktu did and the extensive western christians researchers discoveries were the reason ‘light'was beam on Yoruba people.

Naturally,each development of human phases were as a result of independent and learned knowledge and when such knowledge is annexed and put into use,it become a way of life for such people. And Yoruba as a people portray a studied group that their history could be linked back to names,people, towns,etc that were said to have vanished over 3000 years ago through Sudan belt.

Furthermore, the ancient religious circle' researchers acknowledge traces of non aboriginal narration in the corpus in Odu IFA,when Orunmila's storyline is being narrated by IFA priest's interpreter. Mind you, Morroco has the current oldest fossil ,followed by Israel and Ethiopia respectively. Infact, human fossil found in China is older than the one found in Iwo Eleru in Yoruba land. So when there are need to seek out Yoruba's entity,it won't be as difficult as few people have made it look because there are documented accounts of different people that had a glorious kingdom in the ancient world.

The point here is that many methodology are used and still being used in modern times to ascertain authenticity of oral account of people.

Can you really explain where Yoruba coined or got the fabric called ‘àdìré' ?

Do you know that àdiré cogante is also found in ancient Hebrew's account?

Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àlàrà? Which part of the world did Àlàrà reigned?

Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àrèsa? Which part of the world did Àrèsà reigned?

Do you also know that Yoruba's Ìlù(town-city) also have have same meaning with ancient Hebrew's word, also mentioned in Egypt's account and Akkadian word for town?


Kindly widen your horizon so as to know what others from different culture know and use it as an added/accrued knowledge, in order to do it better. This was the way of our ancestors....And the rest of the world kept looking for them and try to seek them out. Plainly, the western researchers know who the Yorubas are!
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:36am On Sep 10, 2018
Olu317:
The Yorubas knew who they were,even if part of their account disappeared in between in the same manner the way metaphysical powers are lost from generation to generation. Anyway, human history specifically were recorded in oral during the early stage of civilization and Yorubas arent different. The Oral history, then the advent of ancient form of writing in ; hieroglyphs, cuneiform and pictographs, as well as 21st advanced discovery of genetic links to be used as an avenue to understudy the behavioural pattern of people. The history of yoruba was partly recorded via their interaction with other groups they met because of yoruba always inplant a footprint in the minds of the kingdoms they once lived. The 12th-13th century acknowledged by a Muslims coverts known as Ibn Battusa mentioned Yoruba in his account before Ahmed Baba in Timbuktu did and the extensive western christians researchers discoveries were the reason ‘light'was beam on Yoruba people.

Naturally,each development of human phases were as a result of independent and learned knowledge and when such knowledge is annexed and put into use,it become a way of life for such people. And Yoruba as a people portray a studied group that their history could be linked back to names,people, towns,etc that were said to have vanished over 3000 years ago through Sudan belt.

Furthermore, the ancient religious circle' researchers acknowledge traces of non aboriginal narration in the corpus in Odu IFA,when Orunmila's storyline is being narrated by IFA priest's interpreter. Mind you, Morroco has the current oldest fossil ,followed by Israel and Ethiopia respectively. Infact, human fossil found in China is older than the one found in Iwo Eleru in Yoruba land. So when there are need to seek out Yoruba's entity,it won't be as difficult as few people have made it look because there are documented accounts of different people that had a glorious kingdom in the ancient world.

The point here is that many methodology are used and still being used in modern times to ascertain authenticity of oral account of people.

Can you really explain where Yoruba coined or got the fabric called ‘àdìré' ?

Do you know that àdiré cogante is also found in ancient Hebrew's account?

Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àlàrà? Which part of the world did Àlàrà reigned?

Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àrèsa? Which part of the world did Àrèsà reigned?

Do you also know that Yoruba's Ìlù(town-city) also have have same meaning with ancient Hebrew's word, also mentioned in Egypt's account and Akkadian word for town?


Kindly widen your horizon so as to know what others from different culture know and use it as an added/accrued knowledge, in order to do it better. This was the way of our ancestors....And the rest of the world kept looking for them and try to seek them out. Plainly, the western researchers know who the Yorubas are!

Yoruba called themselves ""eniyan"" The chosen . .You can't be the chosen if you are not yoruba.. Our forefathers pride themselves in that statement ..they see their neighbors as uncivilized animals .

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:03pm On Sep 10, 2018
Obalufon:


Yoruba called themselves ""eniyan"" The chosen . .You can't be the chosen if you are not yoruba.. Our forefathers pride themselves in that statement ..they see their neighbors as uncivilized animals .
Precisely , the Yorubas are the only people on the face of Earth called, Èdà'. This is more thicker than èníyán because èdà as a word existed before ènìyán in Yoruba ancient lexicon( èdà+èníyán). We are the children of Èlè'dà,who made us know and understand the concept of ‘Ori'. This is the beginning and the end of Yoruba concept of one's creation and well being.

Despite many people in Yoruba enclave through intetmarriages, Yoruba still stand out as a great ethnicity . Although, we must show humility when need be and must be ready when need be because, Èlèdùmàrè is our God.



I am 100% YORUBA
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:36pm On Sep 10, 2018
Olu317:
Precisely , the Yorubas are the only people on the face of Earth called, Èdà'. This is more thicker than èníyán because èdà as a word existed before ènìyán in Yoruba ancient lexicon( èdà+èníyán). We are the children of Èlè'dà,who made us know and understand the concept of ‘Ori'. This is the beginning and the end of Yoruba concept of one's creation and well being.

Despite many people in Yoruba enclave through intetmarriages, Yoruba still stand out as a great ethnicity . Although, we must show humility when need be and must be ready when need be because, Èlèdùmàrè is our God.



I am 100% YORUBA

what do you think about the akoko i need your expertise akoko people ..They claim ife as their source yet they speak distinct language from yoruba
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:53pm On Sep 10, 2018
Olu317:
The Yorubas knew who they were,even if part of their account disappeared in between in the same manner the way metaphysical powers are lost from generation to generation.
this is the only part of your entire post that addresses my question.

So if Yoruba knew of the hebrews and knew we were hebrews before christianity was introduced what is the yoruba name for Hebrews? and what part of Yoruba traditions, in what specific towns is it implied that Yoruba are Hebrews? You said yoruba have oral accounts of migration? migration from where?

surely for you to know these remnant traditions that i and many others do not know, you must have your sources? Kindly direct me to a link or at least a name, lets identify where you got the information from




1. The history of yoruba was partly recorded via their interaction with other groups they met because of yoruba always inplant a footprint in the minds of the kingdoms they once lived.
2. The 12th-13th century acknowledged by a Muslims coverts known as Ibn Battusa mentioned Yoruba in his account before Ahmed Baba in Timbuktu
3. And Yoruba as a people portray a studied group that their history could be linked back to names,people, towns,etc that were said to have vanished over 3000 years ago through Sudan belt.
4. Furthermore, the ancient religious circle' researchers acknowledge traces of non aboriginal narration in the corpus in Odu IFA,when Orunmila's storyline is being narrated by IFA priest's interpreter.
5. The point here is that many methodology are used and still being used in modern times to ascertain authenticity of oral account of people.



I know you still have questions i asked above, but because you wont let us deal with points one step at a time i have to ask more questions
1. Who are the other groups the Yoruba met as they were migrating down to Nigeria? and what part of Yoruba accounts confirm those foreign accounts, it is after all the yoruba that is being talked about, surely the yoruba accounts must give legitimacy to what ever foreign accounts

2. I have never heard of Ibn Battuta mentioning Yoruba in his Rihla account, unless you are referring to the baseless claim that he mentioned Ife as 'Yufi', in which case is completely off. So in what context and to what purpose did Battuta mention Yoruba?
Because even Ahmed Baba is regarded as the first to mention yoruba in a written work

so what part of Ahmed Baba's mention of Yoruba is evidence of a Hebrew origin for Yorubas?

3. What names, people and towns outside yorubaland are the Yoruba linked to? asides maybe places in Igalaland with Ife-prefixes

4. what are these traces of non aboriginal narration in Ifa and who are these researchers?
Orunmila? same Orunmila that i know very well came from Oke-igeti (Yorubaland)
If it is orunmila don't even go there

5. So are you saying Yoruba oral accounts are not authentic?





1. Can you really explain where Yoruba coined or got the fabric called ‘àdìré' ?

2. Do you know that àdiré cogante is also found in ancient Hebrew's account?

3. Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àlàrà? Which part of the world did Àlàrà reigned?

4. Do you know the Onifa that acknowledged Àrèsa? Which part of the world did Àrèsà reigned?

5. Do you also know that Yoruba's Ìlù(town-city) also have have same meaning with ancient Hebrew's word, also mentioned in Egypt's account and Akkadian word for town?
1. Adire ... Adi - tie, re - dye
2. ancient hebrew? you realize Adire is not even ancient yoruba. Although i guess 'ancient yoruba' has not been properly defined but anyway what do you even mean by "cognate in ancient hebrew account"? do you mean language or tradition?
3. Orunmila himself acknowledged Alara, Alara is a descendant of Orunmila and reigned in Ekiti
4. Aresa of Iresa you mean? Iresa that is an Oyo town? how is Iresa connected to Hebrews?
5. I dont understand what you mean by "egyptian account"...eh, of course 'Ilu' will have the same meaning of the word for 'town' in any language, 'Ilu' has the same meaning as 'town' like literally.. so what are you saying exactly?


Kindly widen your horizon so as to know what others from different culture know and use it as an added/accrued knowledge, in order to do it better. This was the way of our ancestors....And the rest of the world kept looking for them and try to seek them out. Plainly, the western researchers know who the Yorubas are!
widening of horizon shouldnt mean throwing caution out the window or not questioning people who make claims.

what do you know about the ways of Yoruba ancestors? you are not even involved in isese so what ways do you think you know?

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:57pm On Sep 10, 2018
Obalufon:
.. so you think ...Benin republic yoruba /anago will pick out ibos from yoruba because they are our cousin.. Hausa man know themselves ..during the civilize war yoruba can't infiltrate the ibos without getting detected even with good knowledge of ibo language and culture..hausa man know what they look like ..
anago are not yoruba cousins, anago are yoruba...huge difference

and whats all this about looks? since when did looks pin point one's hometown or native language in a see of people of the same race?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:06pm On Sep 10, 2018
Obalufon:


Yoruba called themselves ""eniyan"" The chosen . .You can't be the chosen if you are not yoruba.. Our forefathers pride themselves in that statement ..they see their neighbors as uncivilized animals .
Yoruba call every human being 'eniyan' even the europeans are eniyan because 'eniyan' means 'human'
So trying to twist this to the hebrew 'chosen people' fails here

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