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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 1:06pm On Sep 14, 2018
Olu317:
Buje Budanu indeed! Anyway I don't claim what I have not researched . It is practically inborne with me because I know a lot on this field . But if you dont believe, well no problem. And if indeed you are 9jacrip,then I was right to suspiciously claimed you'll delete your moniker. grin soon.

Furthermore I believe you are partly in this field and I know finding some of these things I have posted looked stranged but I assure, you will see it in public domain and I shall wait for your critical condemnation of it if you can.But certainly tne advantages it brings to my father's throne in ILEIFE is worth more than the insult and condemnation, I receive on this platform. So no big deal. You could smile and ignore or be part of a train that need begin to look forward to deciphering the code on Oranmiyan's staff and other places hieroglyphs can be found in Yoruba land.I am sure you doing this will go a long way in reshaping the history of Yorubas

Certainly no knowledge is lost,no matter how little it is because reading through the site below will expose you more to the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and you will understand the ethnicity of the people who were the foundational members of Ilorin Town.Perhaps, you will realise that it was Ilorin of The Gambaris(Alimi, his followers and his descendants from Mali) were referred to and there was fracas between the Fulanis and Gambaris,that the proverb was coined. No proverb existed in Yoruba land without a link to something or an event in the course of Yoruba history . Peruse http://www.Ilorin.info

Google(ethnic pluralism of Ilorin)

‘ILORIN –THE JOURNEY SO FAR'* BY L.A.K. JIMOH


Cheers

Baba, I had the 9jacrip handle for a while so I had to let it go. Ditto for subsequent handles.

The problem here is not about what you know or if people believe you. It is about:

1. Overview of earlier literatures if they agree with you. And incase they don’t, (i) what studies hace you conducted to write off early works. (ii) how did you condict this study that yielded different results from other scholars?

2. What is your methodology? Are you guided by laid down principles of the field? If not, (i) what principles did you use and (ii) did you test it with other case studies for efficacy? Mr. Olaochi did that with Japan & Yoruba, so...

As for no knowledge being lost, I did look at the Ilorin weblink and saw one of the journals written by my former HOD. And the other one by the foreigner. Solid works but with teir gaps nonetheless and they did not addeess Fulani being Gambari perspective.

As for the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and interplay of settler groups, see this that I found online: http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/8137/1/THE%20DYNAMICS%20OF%20POLITICAL%20DEVELOPMENT%20IN%20A%20MULTICULTURAL%20SOCIETY%20THE%20CASE%20OF%20ILORIN%20DURING%20THE%2019TH%20AND%2020TH%20CENTURIES..pdf .

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 1:15pm On Sep 14, 2018
macof:
egbon. era o... you were the pioneer historian here now that goes Isese and goes academics, before you, we just had sit at home self acclaimed historians passing speculations as facts.

I have never seen stubborn people like this..ans so unwilling to learn... but the good thing is I am here for them cheesy

Egbon mi, you have been a strong pillar of Yoruba history here. The time, energy and intelligence you put into teaching and correcting folks here is part of the learning process for us.

I do not think that the folks here know there are rules to carrying out studies in disciplines such as linguistic and/or history. I even read several pages back where someone implied that we should do away with works done by ‘Europeans’ and that who were those Europeans to tell us where what belongs. I mean for someone to trash seminal works that serve as the very foundations of linguistic studies in Africa/Nigeria then I don’t think such are willing to learn like you have rightly said - but I hope they will listen to you because man I gave up several pages ago.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:52pm On Sep 14, 2018
0balufonlll:


Baba, I have the 9jacrip handle for a while so I had to let it go. Ditto for subsequent handles.

The problem here is not about what you know or if people believe you. It is about:

1. Overview of earlier literatures if they agree with you. And incase they don’t, (i) what studies hace you conducted to write off early works. (ii) how did you condict this study that yielded different results from other scholars?

2. What is your methodology? Are you guided by laid down principles of the field? If not, (i) what principles did you use and (ii) did you test it with other case studies for efficacy? Mr. Olaochi did that with Japan & Yoruba, so...

As for no knowledge being lost, I did look at the Ilorin weblink and saw one of the journals written by my former HOD. And the other one by the foreigner. Solid works but with teir gaps nonetheless and they did not addeess Fulani being Gambari perspective.

As for the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and interplay of settler groups, see this that I found online: http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/8137/1/THE%20DYNAMICS%20OF%20POLITICAL%20DEVELOPMENT%20IN%20A%20MULTICULTURAL%20SOCIETY%20THE%20CASE%20OF%20ILORIN%20DURING%20THE%2019TH%20AND%2020TH%20CENTURIES..pdf .

On your nos 1 and 2 will be dealt with the year the work will be complete. All we are doing here is basically .

On the man you mentioned,who intend to portray opinion as compared to my research work need lay claim to aboriginal status of Yoruba because that is bis focal strength but instead use Japanese people that reside and indigenous to Asia .How does it fit ? In as much ,you are a scholar,then you need understand narrowing down to West Africa ought be his area of concentration because that is HIS BASE!

On Gambari, I didnt say Fulani were precisely Gambari but a kind of group that yoruba classifed as the same as Fulanis . After all, Gambaris came from Mahli to Yoruba land and not directly from Hausa Land . Perhaps they were part of the Moors? Altbough I havent done any research to support that perspective. Beside, Alimi was claimed to be of Arab's colour i.e light skin(Fulani) by the account of ,‘ The Yoruba from the Earliest Time,which was written by Samuel Johnson.Funny enough, the Emir of Ilorin still has his name attached to Gambari. And I am yet to see an Hausa man that bears,‘Gambari', as a name.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:56pm On Sep 14, 2018
0balufonlll:


Baba, I have the 9jacrip handle for a while so I had to let it go. Ditto for subsequent handles.

The problem here is not about what you know or if people believe you. It is about:

1. Overview of earlier literatures if they agree with you. And incase they don’t, (i) what studies hace you conducted to write off early works. (ii) how did you condict this study that yielded different results from other scholars?

2. What is your methodology? Are you guided by laid down principles of the field? If not, (i) what principles did you use and (ii) did you test it with other case studies for efficacy? Mr. Olaochi did that with Japan & Yoruba, so...

As for no knowledge being lost, I did look at the Ilorin weblink and saw one of the journals written by my former HOD. And the other one by the foreigner. Solid works but with teir gaps nonetheless and they did not addeess Fulani being Gambari perspective.

As for the cosmopolitan nature of Ilorin and interplay of settler groups, see this that I found online: http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/8137/1/THE%20DYNAMICS%20OF%20POLITICAL%20DEVELOPMENT%20IN%20A%20MULTICULTURAL%20SOCIETY%20THE%20CASE%20OF%20ILORIN%20DURING%20THE%2019TH%20AND%2020TH%20CENTURIES..pdf .

Well, your nos 1 and 2 will be dealt with the year the work will be complete at the right time in your lifetime and all others who want to see the glory of Yorubas from the past through the test of time till now.

On the man you mentioned,who intend to portray opinion as compared to my research work need lay claim to aboriginal status of Yoruba because that is bis focal strength but instead use Japanese people that reside and indigenous to Asia .How does it fit ? In as much ,you are a scholar,then you need understand narrowing down to West Africa ought be his area of concentration because that is HIS BASE!

On Gambari, I didnt say Fulani were precisely Gambari but a kind of group that yoruba classifed as the same as Fulanis . After all, Gambaris came from Mahli to Yoruba land and not directly from Hausa Land . Perhaps they were part of the Moors? Altbough I havent done any research to support that perspective. Beside, Alimi was claimed to be of Arab's colour i.e light skin(Fulani) by the account of ,‘ The Yoruba from the Earliest Time,which was written by Samuel Johnson.Funny enough, the Emir of Ilorin still has his name attached to Gambari. And I am yet to see an Hausa man that bears,‘Gambari', as a name.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 9:44pm On Sep 14, 2018
Olu317:


. I have never referred to Igala as non Yoruboid,at anytime ( please verify).
But you have been arguing against Yoruba's relationship with her neighbors ever since...you cannot deny Yoruba relationship with Igbo and Edo and say you are ok with Igala. Yoruba-Igala connection is not complete without the full spectrum of Yoruba-Edo-Igbo. the same way linguists determined the connection of Yoruba and Igala is same way Yoruba-Edo-Igbo was dertermined...a relationship that is already an established fact...as you see the sky as blue so do all Historians/Anthropologists see the yoruba as a native west african civilization

that said, if you want to suggest that sometime before yoruba civilization kicked off, hebrews mixed in to the proto-yoruba population...you will need to provide evidence to that...that is why i have been asking you questions since...but it appears you only hold this hebrew claim due to emotional attachment to the hebrews you worship in church...if that is the case you have already made up your mind to see yourself as a child of the hebrews rather than letting evidence convince you of it...

let me tell you, I am not a particular fan of Igbo, or Edo, or anybody..I couldn't care less if Yoruba are from China..or from Koma people of Adamawa..but it is a stupid person that argues against facts...don't be a stupid person



Despite the difference of origin but I submitted 1. my views based on àróbá and that the language developed through Yoruba's migration, and 2. intermarriage with Nupe-Atta's descendants,which helped shaped the basis for the language of Igala


. How do I mean? In every Yoruba town,the leader must either be a prince or a chosen leader ,who is related to Noble home,directly or indirectly. Then IFA is foundational religion. grin 3. Attah and their ancient group didnt have link to IFA nor know anything about Eledaa who is Ori's creator . Even ‘Gun'-Ajah has close proximity with Yoruba clans in Bénin Republic and do have share infiltrated words but the ethnologue of these two language have been dissected and they differ. You can lay your hand on the ‘Ethnologue of Bénin Republique'.
1. you are addicted to making baseless claims..You want your questions to keep piling?.. What aroba are your views based on? narrate them
2. Can you provide your sources for this creation of the Igala?
3.





2. It was supposed to be less than 4000 which was intended to be conveyed. ‘4000,000', was a mere typo error because there is no previous posts of mine that didnt support the less than 4000 years.
ok..much better.. but when are you going to be honest with yourself that you cannot answer my questions?



3. Bolaji Aremu said such in his work but I am sure you know 1. there was a research that showed Ibo is said to be the oldest language on earth . Does this not nullied Bolaji Aremu's claim? 2.This was proved through cognate words of more ancient Kemet,which was the name of Horus,that was presence in Ibo's language .Depsite the Ibo alphabets being shaped by some missionary and Rev.Samuel Ajayi Crowther didnt acknowledge the insibidi lettering in Iboland? 3. And the Yorubas were a developed group over a thousand year ago and didn't know this Ibo lettering?. After all, Yoruba prince made his presence known in Edoland,over 1000 years ago where some Ibo scholars claimed Ibos had once lived. This also support my nos 1 answer
1. who were those involved in this research? provide their names please
2. there are no cognates between two unrelated languages... for cognates to exist, the languages must belong to the same language group. ..therefore if your 'researchers' told you cognate words in ancient egyptian and igbo exist, they must have not been researchers at all
3. What significant contact did Yorubas have with Igbos to have known of Nsibidi? Nsibidi was a very secret knowledge not known by most Igbos...it wasn't even an Igbo writting to begin with ..it was originally Ekoi..Igbos lernt it from the Ibibio less than a thousand years ago...long after the Proto-Igbo had separated from the Proto-Yoruba-Edo-Igbo

Any Igbo tradition that is older than the Proto-Igbo must still have traces in the modern Edo or Yoruba or both

How does this support your claim of Yoruba oral account of migration?



4. Élu is up iin Ibo and does not in any way relate, with Oorún( sun) of Yoruba's and ancient Hebrew's ‘or'(sun) In fact Yoruba's Orán (light of sun ) do have same cognate with Hebrew's ‘or'( sun light).
Yoruba - Orun(Sky). Igbo - Elu (Up above)...it follows the 'r' - 'h' - 'l' pattern between Igbo and Yoruba.

Mr. man your use of the term 'cognate' is very abusive... that is how one mad man said 'ebora' is 'deborah'
to claim two words are etymologically cognates you need to first establish that they are words from two related languages....borrowed words are disqualified... so at this point we have already established that Yoruba and Hebrew can never have cognates...what you should be doing is trying to find borrowed words because cognates do not exist.



5. You call me a liar on ‘eym' of Ancient Hebrew as having cognate Yoruba word? Didnt I post the ancient Hebrew with it before the English alphabets' interpretation ? Well pealim.com is not among at all,if you sesrch for the earliest ancient Hebrew and has never been useful to me before or now.So get this off your mind. I surpas that site.
yes..read my last statement and understand the meaning of cognate

You gave me pealim.com...so now when the website disagrees with your claim you dump the website in the trash..same website you were praising yesterday?
give me a dictionary that surpasses you


6. Moba descendants have account ,of their migration the same way the Odua descendants have account of descending from Oke - Ora ( Hil - mountain of Ora ), in the same way Ancient Kemet's ‘ke' –hill and ‘Ra'( Pharaoh-turned god)
Yes..Migration within Yorubaland...not from outside yorubaland.. Moba came from Lagos not Jerusalem

Please, I'm still waiting for the oral account of migration of any yoruba town. and when i say 'migration' i mean from outside yorubaland
highest you can probably do is name some towns that were founded by Bini princes and nobles



7. Rethink? Hmmmm, you are funny . Have you not seen that I screenshot some words- etymological appendix?

Lemme recommend the following books if you want to quash my research grin but I know, you will be humbled tthrough the shocking revelation you will see.They are:

Lexicons
The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon

Dictionaries
Etymological Dictionary of Biblical Hebrew

The Word: The Dictionary That Reveals The Hebrew Source of English

I will give another Jáàrá

Hebrew: ikkar
Meaning: in servitude

Aramaic: kr
Meaning: cultivate

Yoruba : Kó(r)
Meaning: cultivate

so why haven't you post some of the things these books say? shock me here with the revelation... i have wasted enough money buying books you ill-informed hebrew slaves recommend, give me a review then i see if it is worth buying


yoruba word for cultivate is 'roko'.. pronounced 'rohkoh' not 'Kor'

If you cant speak good yoruba you can at least use dictionary

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 9:56pm On Sep 14, 2018
Olu317:



Hebrew: ikkar
Meaning: in servitude

Aramaic: kr
Meaning: cultivate

Yoruba : Kó(r)
Meaning: cultivate

You are probably not aware of this, but in both Edo and Igbo languages, 'kọ' means 'to plant/to cultivate'.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 10:05pm On Sep 14, 2018
macof:


Yoruba - Orun(Sky). Igbo - Elu (Up above)...it follows the 'r' - 'h' - 'l' pattern between Igbo and Yoruba.


It might be instructive to note that in Ekpeye (which is an Igboid language), Elu is Olu. They retain the initial 'o' as in Yoruba. Linguists believe Ekpeye hived off from Proto-Igboid at an early age and has as a result retained archaic forms that mainstream Igbo has lost. It is probable, based on the Ekpeye evidence, that ancient Igbo used to have an 'o' at the beginning of 'elu', just like Yoruba but subsequently shifted to 'e'.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:30pm On Sep 14, 2018
RedboneSmith:


You are probably not aware of this, but in both Edo and Igbo languages, 'kọ' means 'to plant/to cultivate'.
Sir, plant is not plant in Yoruba but ‘gbín'. But where in Igboland is such word used? Edo's case is understandable because of transferred of learned word from Original speaker, who were the Yorubas. But Igbo use ‘Geurogbo', for cultivate.‘Ugbo' is farm in Igboland. While oko is farm in Yorubaland. What is your point Sir?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:42pm On Sep 14, 2018
RedboneSmith:


It might be instructive to note that in Ekpeye (which is an Igboid language), Elu is Olu. They retain the initial 'o' as in Yoruba. Linguists believe Ekpeye hived off from Proto-Igboid at an early age and has as a result retained archaic forms that mainstream Igbo has lost. It is probable, based on the Ekpeye evidence, that ancient Igbo used to have an 'o' at the beginning of 'elu', just like Yoruba but subsequently shifted to 'e'.
what is this? Elù or Ìlù in Yoruba is ‘Town'. The same way ,a variant pronounciation became ‘Ìlù',which mean ‘drum'. How are they related to Ibos, ‘up' and ‘drum'? Stop this bro.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 11:44pm On Sep 14, 2018
Olu317:
Sir, plant is not plant in Yoruba but ‘gbín'. But where in Igboland is such word used? Edo's case is understandable because of transferred of learned word from Original speaker, who were the Yorubas. But Igbo use ‘Geurogbo', for cultivate.‘Ugbo' is farm in Igboland. While oko is farm in Yorubaland. What is your point Sir?

What is my point? My point is that 'ko' means to cultivate or to plant in Igbo. Wasn't that clear enough from my little comment?

Ko ji = cultivate yam.
Ko ede = cultivate cocoyam.

I don't know where you got Geurogbo from: that thing is certainly not Igbo. I will assume you meant Jee oru ugbo which literally means 'go to work on the farm'.

I'll break it down:

Jee = Go
Oru = Work
Ugbo = Farm

As can be clearly seen, the expression does not contain any word that translate as 'cultivate' in Igbo.

Repeat: 'Ko' is cultivate in Igbo. Ko is also cultivate in Edo.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:48pm On Sep 14, 2018
RedboneSmith:


What is my point? My point is that 'ko' means to cultivate or to plant in Igbo. Wasn't that clear enough from my little comment?

Ko ji = cultivate yam.
Ko ede = cultivate cocoyam.

I don't know where you got Geurogbo from: that thing is certainly not Igbo. I will assume you meant Jee oru ugbo which literally means 'go to work on the farm'.

I'll break it down:

Jee = Go
Oru = Work
Ugbo = Farm

As can be clearly seen, the expression does not contain any word that translate as 'cultivate' in Igbo.

Repeat: 'Ko' is cultivate in Igbo. Ko is also cultivate in Edo.
Kó isnt Ibo.And Edo is not a homogenous group. Be specific
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:50pm On Sep 14, 2018
RedboneSmith:


What is my point? My point is that 'ko' means to cultivate or to plant in Igbo. Wasn't that clear enough from my little comment?

Ko ji = cultivate yam.
Ko ede = cultivate cocoyam.

I don't know where you got Geurogbo from: that thing is certainly not Igbo. I will assume you meant Jee oru ugbo which literally means 'go to work on the farm'.

I'll break it down:

Jee = Go
Oru = Work
Ugbo = Farm

As can be clearly seen, the expression does not contain any word that translate as 'cultivate' in Igbo.

Repeat: 'Ko' is cultivate in Igbo. Ko is also cultivate in Edo.
Where did I get G/Jeurogbo from Sir? I got it from Ibos from Imo and Enugu people. Kó isnt Ibo. Yorubas dont have alternative word for it. And Edo is not a homogenous group. Be specific
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 11:53pm On Sep 14, 2018
Olu317:
what is this? Elu in Yoruba is ‘Town'. The same way ,a variant pronounciation became ‘Ìlù',which mean ‘drum'. How are they related to Ibos, ‘up' and ‘drum'? Stop this bro.

Clearly, you do not understand how this whole linguistics thing works, which explains this patience-trying self-confusing comment of yours. There was nowhere I said I said Igbo Elu and Yoruba Elu are cognates. Neither did I say Up and Drum are related. Igbo Elu is related to Yoruba Orun; that is what I said and that is what Macof have been saying. Yoruba Elu is a different word altogether, and this Yoruba Elu, as a matter of fact is related to a group of words in Igboid dialects (Ulu, Uhu and Uru) which also mean something along the lines of village/community, but I am sure you didn't know this. wink

This lack of comprehension on your part is why I chose to be a spectator on this post because nothing riles me up more than trying to explain simple concepts to people who are incapable of understanding them.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 11:58pm On Sep 14, 2018
RedboneSmith:


Clearly, you do not understand how this whole linguistics thing works, which explains this patience-trying self-confusing comment of yours. There was nowhere I said I said Igbo Elu and Yoruba Elu are cognates. Neither did I say Up and Drum are related. Igbo Elu is related to Yoruba Orun; that is what I said and that is what Macof have been saying. Yoruba Elu is a different word altogether, and is this Yoruba Elu, as a matter of fact is related to a group of words in Igboid dialects (Ulu, Uhu and Uru) which also mean something along the lines of village/community, but I am sure you didn't know this. wink

This lack of comprehension on your part is why I chose to be a spectator on this post because nothing riles me up more than trying to explain simple concepts to people who are incapable of understanding them.
Ok! So Elu has cognate with Ó-rún? Quite fascinating ! What about same ,Elu of Ibo and Yoruba Elu/Ilu or Elu-lu when pronounced ? They sound alike but mean different thing .
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:06am On Sep 15, 2018
What is thunder in Ibo ?
What is God in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What is man in Ibo?
What is woman in Ibo?
What is male in Ibo?
What is female in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What sun in Ibo?
What is fire in Ibo?
What is day in Ibo?
What is night in Ibo?
What is afternoon in Ibo?
What is true in Ibo?
What is lie in Ibo?
What is slave in Ibo?
What is rain in Ibo?
What is here in Ibo?
What is filled up in Ibo?

RedboneSmith,kindly,show the meaning Sir in English and let's start from there.Please take your time ooo because,I am not one of them who is not conversant with his ethnicity's history.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:16am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
what is this? Elù or Ìlù in Yoruba is ‘Town'. The same way ,a variant pronounciation became ‘Ìlù',which mean ‘drum'. How are they related to Ibos, ‘up' and ‘drum'? Stop this bro.

Because of you I had to use my phone just to teach you small Yoruba Language, since you obviously don't speak good Yoruba

Ìlú might have been derived from the word Èlú... Èlú is actually possibly a forgotten deity in Ifè
Èlú also means Community or village or even hamlet
Ìlú means a City or a State or you could best say a City-state

A little history for you.. In pre-oduduwa Ìfẹ̀, the people were organized into 13 Elu

PS. It is 'Ìlú' not 'ìlù'...

Ìlú(City) and ìlù(Drum) have nothing to do with each other, these are two different words far apart
(note the accent marks)

Then both these words are different from "ọrùn" (sky) which is cognate to Igbo "Elu" meaning up


You have just embarrassed yourself, you think ìlú and ìlù are related because they have the same letters but can't comprehend how Ọrùn is related to Elu grin grin grin

Linguistics will confuse you my man, don't argue what you don't know


This is so hilarious grin my man got so confused

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:19am On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


Clearly, you do not understand how this whole linguistics thing works, which explains this patience-trying self-confusing comment of yours. There was nowhere I said I said Igbo Elu and Yoruba Elu are cognates. Neither did I say Up and Drum are related. Igbo Elu is related to Yoruba Orun; that is what I said and that is what Macof have been saying. Yoruba Elu is a different word altogether, and is this Yoruba Elu, as a matter of fact is related to a group of words in Igboid dialects (Ulu, Uhu and Uru) which also mean something along the lines of village/community, but I am sure you didn't know this. wink

This lack of comprehension on your part is why I chose to be a spectator on this post because nothing riles me up more than trying to explain simple concepts to people who are incapable of understanding them.
And what is ‘Obodo'? Ibos and lies has been ageless.....May be,some Ibos who arent sure of their identity. Perhaps,Ibos aren't Homogeneous ,in the same manner as Edos....
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:22am On Sep 15, 2018
macof:


Because of you I had to use my phone just to teach you small Yoruba Language, since you obviously don't speak good Yoruba

Ìlú might have been derived from the word Èlú... Èlú is actually possibly a forgotten deity in Ifè
Èlú also means Community or village or even hamlet
Ìlú means a City or a State or you could best say a City-state

A little history for you.. In pre-oduduwa Ìfẹ̀, the people were organized into 13 Elu

PS. It is 'Ìlú' not 'ìlù'...

Ìlú(City) and ìlù(Drum) have nothing to do with each other, these are two different words far apart
(note the accent marks)

Then both these words are different from "ọrùn" (sky) which is cognate to Igbo "Elu" meaning up


You have just embarrassed yourself, you think ìlú and ìlù are related because they have the same letters but can't comprehend how Ọrùn is related to Elu grin grin grin

Linguistics will confuse you my man, don't argue what you don't know


This is so hilarious grin my man got so confused
So Ō and e are the same thing in lexicology? I hear you Sir. Enjoy yourself macof!
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 12:27am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
Kó isnt Ibo.

You're being annoying. I speak the bloody language. You do not.

I don't even have to present evidence because if indeed you have been speaking to Igbo people, they would tell you 'Ko' is cultivate/to plant. But I'll just go ahead and post screenshots from three different Igbo dictionaries: One by the colonial anthropologist, Northcote Thomas, one by the expatriate linguist Roger Blench and one by the Igbo linguist Michael Echeruo.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:30am On Sep 15, 2018
macof, the Yoruba enthusiast, this a sample on how to transilerate: lexicology\lek-sə-kō-ˈlä-ji. Perhaps, you will be guided.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:32am On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


It might be instructive to note that in Ekpeye (which is an Igboid language), Elu is Olu. They retain the initial 'o' as in Yoruba. Linguists believe Ekpeye hived off from Proto-Igboid at an early age and has as a result retained archaic forms that mainstream Igbo has lost. It is probable, based on the Ekpeye evidence, that ancient Igbo used to have an 'o' at the beginning of 'elu', just like Yoruba but subsequently shifted to 'e'.

Quite fascinating, Ekpeye of all people have the variant closer to Yorubas
That goes further to prove that it is never a matter of proximity
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:35am On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


You're being annoying. I speak the bloody language. You do not.

I don't even have to present evidence because if indeed you have been speaking to Igbo people, they would tell you 'Ko' is cultivate/to plant. But I'll just go ahead and post screenshots from three different Igbo dictionaries: One by the colonial anthropologist, Northcote Thomas, one by the expatriate linguist Roger Blench and one by the Igbo linguist Michael Echeruo.
As I have said, you dont need to proof anything tp me because there is alternative for cultivate in Iboland but non in yorubaland.In which it showed that Ibo borrowed the word because it is not universal in Igboland as seen in Yoruba land . Go back and ask for the alternative in Ibo land. Once such exist,then clearly it means it is a borrowed word. After all ,Àso Èbi is acknowledge in Iboland as Yoruba's . Is Aso Ebi of Ibo origin?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 12:35am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
And what is ‘Obodo'? Ibos and lies has been ageless.....May be,some Ibos who arent sure of their identity. Perhaps,Ibos aren't Homogeneous ,in the same manner as Edos....

A language cannot have multiple words meaning roughly the same thing? Olu, go and sleep.

Uru/Uhu/Ulu are core old Igbo expressions that mean village or original settlement. It has actually been discussed by Igbo Nairalanders before. If I find it, I will post a link here. The word is still found today as part of the name of many Igbo villages and towns.

I just read another comment where you launched into an entirely unneccessary diatribe about ilu and ilu and elu and what have you. Are you always this confused about simple matters.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:40am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
So Ō and e are the same thing in lexicology? I hear you Sir. Enjoy yourself macof!

Let me use examples from other languages maybe your brain will start working

English - 'day' is cognate of 'tag' in German

You see how they don't look alike but linguists have studied the change pattern and various dialects of both languages

This is so well studied that sometimes you can look at an English word and know it's German cognate by just using the pattern


So change from 'ọ' to 'e' is not a special thing.. Languages evolve

Let me blow your mind
Yoruba - owó is cognate to ''ego' in igbo

They don't look or sound alike but evolved from the same word in the proto-Yoruba-Edo-Igbo language

One way to prove this is looking at Yoruba dialects and other languages in the family
Ọwọ - Ogho
Edo - Igho

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:40am On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


A language cannot have multiple word meaning roughly the same thing? Olu, go and sleep.

Uru/Uhu/Ulu are core old Igbo expressions that mean village or original settlement. It has actually been discussed by Igbo Nairalanders before. If I find it, I will post a link here. The word is still found today as part of the name of many Igbo villages and towns.

I just read another comment where you launched into an entirely unneccessary diatribe about ilu and ilu and elu and what have you. Are you always this confused about simple matters.
Yes Sir.I hear you. But macof ,do the field work and come nullify my stance . Kikikiki
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:42am On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


A language cannot have multiple word meaning roughly the same thing? Olu, go and sleep.

Uru/Uhu/Ulu are core old Igbo expressions that mean village or original settlement. It has actually been discussed by Igbo Nairalanders before. If I find it, I will post a link here. The word is still found today as part of the name of many Igbo villages and towns.

I just read another comment where you launched into an entirely unneccessary diatribe about ilu and ilu and elu and what have you. Are you always this confused about simple matters.
Yes Sir.I hear you. But macof ,do the field work with just 10 different people from the different states from south East of Nigeria and come nullify my stance . And if Ibos have alternative for Cultivate ,then know I am not lying but if you lie, Almighty God sees your heart because I detest lie as light detest darkness.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 12:43am On Sep 15, 2018
Igbo Nairalanders on Uru/Uhu. Chinenye and Ihuomadinihu's explanations are particularly apt.

https://www.nairaland.com/2749481/what-does-prefix-uru-uhu#40301615

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 12:48am On Sep 15, 2018
macof:


Quite fascinating, Ekpeye of all people have the variant closer to Yorubas
That goes further to prove that it is never a matter of proximity


On a number of lexical items, Ekpeye has forms that approach Yoruba in some aspects.

Land for example is ale/ile in Yoruba; and ala/ana/ani/ali in various Igbo dialects. In Ekpeye it is ele. Only Ekpeye has the terminal 'e' that survives in Yoruba.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 12:54am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
Yes Sir.I hear you. But macof ,do the field work and come nullify my stance . Kikikiki
you have not even proven your stance... Your entire stance is shaky.. You have not provided one evidence.. Just one
have you forgotten you have not answered my questions?

Should I repost them so you can answer?

Or you don't have answers?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by RedboneSmith(m): 1:47am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
What is thunder in Ibo ?
What is God in Ibo? -
What is hair in Ibo?
What is man in Ibo?
What is woman in Ibo?
What is male in Ibo?
What is female in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What sun in Ibo?
What is fire in Ibo?
What is day in Ibo?
What is night in Ibo?
What is afternoon in Ibo?
What is true in Ibo?
What is lie in Ibo?
What is slave in Ibo?
What is rain in Ibo?
What is here in Ibo?
What is filled up in Ibo?

RedboneSmith,kindly,show the meaning Sir in English and let's start from there.Please take your time ooo because,I am not one of them who is not conversant with his ethnicity's history.


Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male rooster (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 2:02am On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
What is thunder in Ibo ?
What is God in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What is man in Ibo?
What is woman in Ibo?
What is male in Ibo?
What is female in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What sun in Ibo?
What is fire in Ibo?
What is day in Ibo?
What is night in Ibo?
What is afternoon in Ibo?
What is true in Ibo?
What is lie in Ibo?
What is slave in Ibo?
What is rain in Ibo?
What is here in Ibo?
What is filled up in Ibo?

RedboneSmith,kindly,show the meaning Sir in English and let's start from there.Please take your time ooo because,I am not one of them who is not conversant with his ethnicity's history.



we have nothing to do with ibos....Yoruba is yoruba ..ibo is ibo we have nothing in common . .. igala is not ibos . Yoruba and igala possible were one people at one point but split up .

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 2:08am On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male rooster (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

borrowed words from the igalas. ..you should add egusi and garri too please... we are not ibos . who dash ibos owu cotton.. oka for corn . liars .. maize is not up to 3 hundred years .. guinea corn is grown in the savanna region, where were the leafs , what do they want to do with guinea corn ....Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam great connection .. ibos are bantu their lineage can be traced back to south Africa region

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