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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 6:00pm On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
Dem dem Ibo apologists continue grin in their ignorance...split kó ,divide ní embarassed. If Ibo split from Yoruba, why did Catherine Acholonu thesis counter it ? The same manner Atkinson said about language in west Africa as the place of its origin. Funny enough yoruba language was already in existence 3000 years ago. And this language was spoken in Egypt. Infact 3000 years ago was less 700 years before Jesus christ. grin cheesy. Kikikiki
Who is Catherine Acholonu? a linguist? And are you trying to say that Igbo language is the mother of Yoruba language now? grin if you know the woman's work is a sham why refer to it at all?



Confuse set of people,who are bent in lumping my yoruba ancestors with Ibos' ancestors. As usual,they are here with incoherent statement of denying their claim that, ‘Ibos splitted from Yoruba and Yoruba are not Ibos'. cheesy grin cheesy. Confusion grandeur.
your yoruba ancestors? same yoruba ancestors that you refused to follow?
if yoruba ancestors are so important to you, why not dump christianity and enter Isese? or is chrisitianity your ancestral religion?
you are not more yoruba than me so all this my ancestors nkankan is sentimental play which has no role in historical studies

I will tell you that Suzanne Blier - an American art historian knows your ancestors more than you

There is no confusion in that Yoruba and Igbo split, yet Yoruba are not Igbo...it is common sense.. If yoruba were igbo no one will talk about a split...Yoruba and Igbo have been different people for 3000 years..that is what it means...3000 years is more than enough for these people to create a very unique identity different from that of the proto-culture they came from

To be honest, i am doing you a great service educating you like this but just because you are yoruba, eventually i will leave you to your delusions but not until you understand basic things like "split people doesn't mean same people"...i mean you cant be that stupid ..can you?





Below is a screenshot of kemet word present in Yoruba word list over 3000 years ago.......... grin

grin grin grin

in this same picture you posted, Egyptian language is being compared to Bantu languages as well as Yoruba and Fulani(pulaar).
Also some of the yoruba words are wrong
1. bọse is not secretly... I mean i have never heard that word.. unless you know something i don't know undecided. Yoruba for secretly is 'nikoko'
2. busa is not 'to honor/respect' ...also nevr heard that word... to respect - bọwọ
3. bọti is also wrong.. it is ọti

as for 'ba' which your picture says 'germinate'..i am unsure of the yoruba word for germinate that is why i wont say much.. maybe 0balufonlll knows..egbon?

as for the remaining 4 words can you explain how these words are borrowed from egyptian language? what methodology did you use to arrive at this conclusion?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 6:08pm On Sep 15, 2018
RedboneSmith:


Please, pay this guy no heed. Anytime I am trying to have a serious discussion about Igbo or West African history with people and they mention Catherine Acholonu's works, I just stop responding to them because it would just be time-wasting and painful to me.

Catherine was neither a historian nor an archaeologist nor a linguist. The woman read literature, and then decided that what she wanted to do with her life was history, archaeology and historical linguistics. Someone who was serious would have at least tried to educate themselves a little about their chosen 'hobby', but not Catherine.

If you read this woman's work you will wonder whether she was on some kind of perpetual high. She claimed the city of Heliopolis in Ancient Egypt was actually in Igbo-Ukwu. There was literally no depth of ridiculosity that Catherine Acholonu did not sink to in her 'scholarship'. It is no wonder that none of her works appear in peer-reviewed journals and none of her books was published by a university press. Scholars do not quote her work; many scholars in fact completely ignore her works. Only amateurs on the internet and people with no historical training reference her.

She was fond of doing collaborations with people whose discipline have nothing to do with history, because she could not get actual historians to collaborate with her. For instance her book "They came Before Adam" (Where she claimed the Igbo language is the oldest language in the world) was written with an Indian computer scientist! A computer scientist of all people! grin

Another thing you should know: Catherine Acholonu mastered the art of quoting people out of context. Dr Quentin Atkinson, the biologist being mentioned here, had his work completely misquoted by Catherine.

Thanks alot, I had never even taken notice of her until now

@bold. and this is the problem actual historians have to deal with, you have pseudohistorians coming in to mess up the field and actual historians have to clean it up. The fact that many Africans aren't studying history makes it even more problematic
This was one of the biggest motivations for my decision to study history

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 6:16pm On Sep 15, 2018
Olu317:
I have answered you all and even went further to post books that can help understand word list of ancient Hebrews.

And, if you don't understand the oral account,kindly visit Moba Town or google Otun Ore history.
And on Igala history, I have answered you because Attah Igala also claimed that Yoruba also settled down in their midst.

no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions kiss
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 8:23pm On Sep 15, 2018
macof:
I have told you to go and seek help with your mental issues. it is a brotherly advice


i believe you have copied this line from the mail you send to your brother.

We are no blood relation.

You can't give what you don't have.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:30pm On Sep 15, 2018
macof:
no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions kiss
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by macof(m): 8:39pm On Sep 15, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


i believe you have copied this line from the mail you send to your brother.

We are no blood relation.

You can't give what you don't have.
grin sorry i don't have any brothers with mental issues
Go seek help, you can't differentiate what is real from what is not and you are too emotional...because if at least 10 years of pursuing Yoruba-hebrew connection hasn't yielded any evidence i wonder what time it will
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:00pm On Sep 15, 2018
macof:
Who is Catherine Acholonu? a linguist? And are you trying to say that Igbo language is the mother of Yoruba language now? grin if you know the woman's work is a sham why refer to it at all?


your yoruba ancestors? same yoruba ancestors that you refused to follow?
if yoruba ancestors are so important to you, why not dump christianity and enter Isese? or is chrisitianity your ancestral religion?
you are not more yoruba than me so all this my ancestors nkankan is sentimental play which has no role in historical studies

I will tell you that Suzanne Blier - an American art historian knows your ancestors more than you

There is no confusion in that Yoruba and Igbo split, yet Yoruba are not Igbo...it is common sense.. If yoruba were igbo no one will talk about a split...Yoruba and Igbo have been different people for 3000 years..that is what it means...3000 years is more than enough for these people to create a very unique identity different from that of the proto-culture they came from

To be honest, i am doing you a great service educating you like this but just because you are yoruba, eventually i will leave you to your delusions but not until you understand basic things like "split people doesn't mean same people"...i mean you cant be that stupid ..can you?





grin grin grin

in this same picture you posted, Egyptian language is being compared to Bantu languages as well as Yoruba and Fulani(pulaar).
Also some of the yoruba words are wrong
1. bọse is not secretly... I mean i have never heard that word.. unless you know something i don't know undecided. Yoruba for secretly is 'nikoko'
2. busa is not 'to honor/respect' ...also nevr heard that word... to respect - bọwọ
3. bọti is also wrong.. it is ọti

as for 'ba' which your picture says 'germinate'..i am unsure of the yoruba word for germinate that is why i wont say much.. maybe 0balufonlll knows..egbon?

as for the remaining 4 words can you explain how these words are borrowed from egyptian language? what methodology did you use to arrive at this conclusion?



The researched work wasn't done by me but someone else,who had understudy Yoruba language and its comparison with Bantu and ancient Egyptians . I hope you know,that there are ancient Yoruba words that has been lost in modern spoken one but present in dialects.

And on the comparison that you saw with Bantu,only showed that there were words that that is similar in all the group that the author claimed .Funny enough, the author's conclusion was that Yoruba wasn't Bantu...

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:29pm On Sep 15, 2018
OlaoChi:
who was rubbished??
And what's this about people on whom I anchor faith on? I happen to deal with facts, anybody who can bring facts not faith on people


Lmao. cheesy so you thought I'm a jobless self acclaimed historian and linguist like yourself? I am well educated enough to respect the people who actually dedicate time and energy learning and researching, people who have university or at least a sound traditional training. I cannot claim to be a historian because I know some history, I cannot claim to be a linguist because I know a know a thing or two, the appropriate term is enthusiast

Unlike someone who has failed with everything else in life and thinks reinventing Yoruba history is the way out of irrelevance, poverty and miserably. Look don't let me face you personally so just don't go there, I'm not the one looking for how to survive by all means


Your point here proofs that you went to school to actualize your ego and not to be educated. You are here, you have the education but unable to solve the simplest problem like an educated problem: hence you failed to quote the works of scholars you may be referring to in high esteem if any, but alas, wikipedia hold your proof of Yoruba history and tradition, an unknown authority for such an erudite.

Now your education has failed. You have the ego but the problem persists, it means you are an egocentric, problematic person who missed the opportunity that education offers for this kind of educated problems for 'tantrum answers' because you failed at 'educated answers'. Practice what you preach sir, show the proof of your education and refinement by your enlightening contributions.


You are a fraud, not versed in anything. If anybody wants to claim authority in a subject such person should have a basic understanding of the subject matter first, then move up to building that knowledge and understanding in an academic environment.
You lack basic knowledge of linguistic, you ignore etymology and meanings
I mean imagine "Hebrew" is "Ibẹru" in Yoruba And you claim to be an authority cheesy grin you are a criminal minded fellow

Did you know of Occam's razor? you don't need to invent new, weir theory when a simple, common sense answer already exist. You don't need to go for a degree course to make sense of your cultural tradition before you understand its historical implication. It is the simplest, common sense answers that has the truth, not the endless search that you boast of but can never present.

You are definitely sick, why don't you entertain the next word to that iberu? What you have in that context is 'Ojo-beru' but the 'iberu' meaning 'hebrew' is a collateral damage to you. You are a fault finder per excellent. Why not dwell on Ojo and teach people what they never know, dark soul. You will always miss the opportunity to be relevant in life trying hard to pull people down and make up grave allegations against them because they do not share your sentiments.

I will still teach you what you never know in that 'transliteration'. Remind me how the phrase 'Iberu-b'ojo' (iberu begot Ojo) became a metaphor in Yoruba and I will teach you. You are not a man of any revelation, how would you grasp the enigmatic aspect of Yoruba history? That's the key to understanding Yoruba 'ambiguity at metaphorical level'. When I say a man 'has been called to the bar', it (the bar) might mean 'Madam Basira Oguro Bar', it is me that hold the understanding of the bar I'm referring to, not you, "a'i siwaju eleede p'eede". But quickly you ran to macof the beast's post to copy grammar. Must one break figures of speech to morphemes and syllables too? cheesy cheesy cheesy


Funny enough your activities on nairaland still don't help your hustle for money(you don't get paid) , nor for relevance because while it might seem fine and rosy to make claims once you get hit with questions you burst out crying and bitching about it realizing how you have nothing but you won't admit it.

I've told you what to do, go to school. Go get basic education on the subject. Historical linguistics and history are courses you can study if you really want to make a living from Yoruba history

How has the school helped your personal development? It can never be said that you have answers upon all you have studied so far, for countless knowledge are still behind the confines of the four walls of the classroom. Learning was never absolutely subjected to the faculty of social sciences alone, you can pioneer new studies and carve a niche in a new field of interest with basic education, so don't bring your limitations to me. I am not the same as you.

I believe the facts are very available, staring you right in the face.

Share them if you are not blind to them.


But I know you will ignore the facts and choose to remain in your delusions of Hebrew descent when you have no linguistic or DNA connection with Hebrews

This is all the problem you have and I believe you are the one who must check your phobia.

there is no doubt about this. This is how Linguists know to classify Yoruba as a Volta - Niger language under the larger Niger - Congo group of languages. Linguists should have classified Yoruba as Semitic but alas, they did not. So it won't take an unemployed untrained fellow like yourself to change that, certainly not when you have no evidence to lay a superior argument

Well, paradigm-shift is a word in popular demand. Only a fool says he has engaged his time with an unemployed, untrained fellow. Only a fool of the first order makes language classification 'the Roseta Stone' that nail his ancestor's thousand years of history as a classification of 'Volta-Niger language under the larger Niger - Congo' group of languages. All 'Wuruwuru to the answer' professionals.

When you can counter this with evidence you will finally become relevant in life, until then, enjoy your failures kiss


You know my failure has become proverbial on nairaland, but at least you know I'm learning by failing. You fail when you are learning in life and it offers you an opportunity to begin afresh more intelligently. Have you ever failed at anything in life?

I can be an expert, so can you, all you need to do is study the subject. Go to school

Let school go through you too.



Being an expert in history or linguists is not easy granted, because there is much to learn but anyone can achieve that by taking the right steps. But the way you are now, you are nothing but a fraud.

Thanks, but you are none of the above: neither a fraud nor an expert. You are a fraud chaser and expert praiser. You can never be any of the two, meanwhile whom you claim to be fraud has already started building his career in that field with baby steps.



I can't believe you are actually condemning me for leaving it to the experts, seriously?

OK, and then I joined you in reinventing by claiming Yoruba are Japanese (which you thought I was serious) but you attacked for that one, so it seems it is either middle east or nothing for you cheesy. By the way, I have a better case of Yoruba being Japanese than you do on Yoruba being Hebrew, I can go on just for fun.

I mean I don't have to say stupid shitt like Hebrew is ibẹru (fear in Yoruba), I'll give you real similar sounding words with similar meanings any gullible slowpoke will believe Yoruba are really Japanese

Bringing others to your weak subjection is all you do best as an inventor. Please don’t work hard to twist peoples point for cheap gains; it exposes you as a fool struggling to blackmail others to escape your need for telling your side of the story.

All you needed to do to throw me and Prof. Olu out of balance is to simply take the same cognate and give us the Japanese word that rhymes with the Hebrew/Yoruba words, so we have a Hebrew/Yoruba/Japanese words, all three meaning the same thing and sounding similar and then there would be a confusion of which one to take serious or to believe as the origin out of the three.

Until then, your cleverness remains what it is, foolishness. It will never become wisdom around here.

Let me help you sir

Let’s say you want to proof that A+A is not equal to 2A but A2, But instead you were saying if A+A equals to 2A (to me and Olu), then A+B is equal to nothing to you. You have simply introduced new denomination of an evidence to butress your point, but you don’t know how to harness it, because you can’t think without some fixed, ready-made terms and answers.

a+a = 2a, falsify or prove the equation wrong within the confines of the argument itself, or introduce a new factor, a+a(a+c)=0. Then proof your point in that context, instead of going out of range that if a+a=2a, then a+x=0=axa.

Key: a+a Yoruba-hebrew words; a+c, Yoruba-Japanese words.



Ìwọ gangan ni olodo, ibi tí mo ti dé l'áyé yìí oò lè f'oju ri
Ìwọ aláìníṣẹ́ṣé, aláìní ànfàní èèyàn, tí Ìyìn àti Ògo èèyàn mí lo n'wá kiri. Lọ gb'ẹ̀kọ́, lọ fi àyè ẹ ṣíṣẹ́ òtítọ́. Oníjìbìtì lásán-làsàn òṣì

If you have the sense of perception of your people's praise and glory, you will be promoting and defending it, but you can't because you do not have the faculty to exermine the praise and glory of your people beside witch-hunting people who do. May your curses go back to you.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:34pm On Sep 15, 2018
macof:
grin sorry i don't have any brothers with mental issues
Go seek help, you can't differentiate what is real from what is not and you are too emotional...because if at least 10 years of pursuing Yoruba-hebrew connection hasn't yielded any evidence i wonder what time it will

But that flows from your heart out.

from the abundant of the heart the mouth speak forth, don't you think?

As a man thinketh in his own heart, so is he.

@the bolded, it will the day you present us with the concrete evidence behind your Igbo-Yoruba connections. cheesy

Who will offer an iconoclast and a destroyer like you anything valuable that you wont find something to break it into pieces?
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:51am On Sep 16, 2018
macof:
no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions kiss
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my research work as I have been doing it, even with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the multiple research work but many, which includes my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' grin theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 7:03am On Sep 16, 2018
Olu317:
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my resaerch work as I have doing and with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the work but was taught by my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' grin theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

who are the moba ? i want to learn .life is too short to be stuck up with one believe or ideas ..
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 10:50am On Sep 16, 2018
Olu317:
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my resaerch work as I have doing and with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the work but was taught by my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' grin theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

There is nobody who goes in reading your posts that come out better, you don't give sources or explain in details
Those are very valid questions and your inability to answer them shows that you don't know what you're talking about but you act like one yoruba professor

I've said it before that you're a fraud
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:52pm On Sep 16, 2018
Obalufon:


who are the moba ? i want to learn .life is too short to be stuck up with one believe or ideas ..
They are the OTUN OORE DESCENDANTS
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:04pm On Sep 17, 2018
0balufonlll:


There are so many problems with everything you typed above but I’ll list a few.

1. In History writing, Bible is not consider a source. Be it primary or secondary. It has been mostly proven and agreed that data in the Bible is largely mythical. For example, see this:



So you can not start your work using Bible as the groundwork. Sorry.

2. Everything you wrote up here is not a methodology for working cognates in Linguistic and neither is it credible in History. Your idea is on extremely shaky grounds. If you started the abstract or introduction of your paper with this Biblical foundations, academics will throw it in the bin after skiming through couples lines. Your work is best suited for the masses, folks who are poorly educated and are not likely to ask questions.

3. I understand that you want Olaochi to give you historical connections between Japan & Yoruba. But do you understand that the angle you are exploring is the Yoruba Mecca angle which in itself is not history but a myth relegated to the people of Oyo/Katunga only?

4. Actually, you have a lot to prove as far as etymology goes. Etymology is done using a lot of procedures, a lot. With lexicostatistics included. Your posts do not include these steps for anyone to take them serious.



The link you posted was: https://www.ilorin.info/ it shows links to news. I had to use the drop down menu & went to ‘about’. So I don’t know what you meant about seeing Gambari there. How about a screenshot? Also, I do not know why Oba of Ilorin’s name is ‘Gambari’ but Yoruba’s understanding/use of the term is for the Hausa people.



Like I said, can you provide names of all the fathers & mothers of Luusi your ancestor? We can start from there.

No one said Olofin was born at Oke Ora but he was known to have lived there with his folks like several other people who lived on hill settlements in what is now Ile-Ife.

Also, Eluyemi Omotoso the Apena in Ile-Ife during his days was an archeologist who got the permission to excavate Oke Ora. He retrieved stone axes & several other relics which were taken to Europe for dating.

Do you understand that for a work to be agreed on, a community of that discipline would have critiqued the work and agreed to it, right? If you do know this then also know that Eluyemi’s excavations were assessed by a community of archeologists locally & internationally vis a vis the Idio family’s historical records of Oke Ora before it was agreed to in the research.

P.S: the Oke Ora knowledge was however buried again to prevent people going there. It is a pilgrim site for the Ooni coronation only. There’s another Oke that holds importance during coronation but I’ll keep that out of NL.


Your information on Hebrew Bible is wrong. Contrary to your opinion the Bible has been useful as a research tool because some of the prediction credited to Jeremiah in the Bible many centuries after he had passed on came to pass. For instance he mentioned that Juda who thought their alliance and trust in Egypt's Army will make them survive in the midst of their neighbouriing enemies, will be disappointed because ,the Judan-Hebrew will be invaded because their power that be invade and destroy Egypt. And Egypt was destroyed by Babylon.

This amazing prediction by Jeremiah in the Bible was found to tally with the inscription of this on Babylonian Tablets. Read ,‘Hebrew and Costume'.

According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle , King Jehoiakim of Judah rebelled against Babylonian rule, but Nebuchadnezzar captured the city and installed Zedekiah as ruler .In 601 BC, during the fourth year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar unsuccessfully attempted to invade Egypt and was repulsed with heavy losses. The failure led to numerous rebellions among the states of the Levant which owed allegiance to Babylon, including Judah, where King Jehoiakim stopped paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar and took a pro-Egyptian position.
Nebuchadnezzar soon dealt with these rebellions. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle,he laid siege to Jerusalem , which eventual fell .The Chronicle states: Jehoiakim died during the siege.

2. There is no where I mentioned I will give you the methodology. Plainly, I am not here for such. In as much that this is a forum for knowledge sharing . So, let's keep it as such .

3. Beside, I dont care about his claim, because his claim will die a natural death. Olaochi's version of Japan& Yoruba is not my insistence but his Yoruba and west African people with whom Yoruba shares linguistic affiliation. Afterall, he claimed as you did that aboriginal status of Yorubas in Yoruba land.
Mind you, it is never about Yoruba-Mecca relationship but presence of Mediterranean alike mode of worship in Middle East culture, which is non native to west Africa. Thus, the foundational home of Yoruba was Middle East Orú through Egypt's( ke Ra'),to Sudan- migration to the present Yoruba land in Nigeria.

4. Not etymology but cognate. All I have been doing is language similarities from inception.

5. Sorry about the mix up. Google ‘Ethnic pluralism of Ilorin'. And you will see that Ilorin has a multi cultural grouping.

6. Well, Luusi had a father among one of the Oonis that reigned after Lajamisan.So, as you can see,you can't start from there, because. Trust me ,Luusi's grandfather was Lajamisan!.......Ìfé oo'oyè

7. Well, there is nothing under the sun that is new. So I don't expect you to reveal what is under the sealed secrecy. Henceforth, know it ,that there is Nothing Like Secrecy on Something that's between Two People,except Known only to ONE.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 4:27pm On Sep 17, 2018
Olu317:


Your information on Hebrew Bible is wrong. Contrary to your opinion the Bible has been useful as a research tool because some of the prediction credited to Jeremiah in the Bible many centuries after he had passed on came to pass. For instance he mentioned that Juda who thought their alliance and trust in Egypt's Army will make them survive in the midst of their neighbouriing enemies, will be disappointed because ,the Judan-Hebrew will be invaded because their power that be invade and destroy Egypt. And Egypt was destroyed by Babylon.

This amazing prediction by Jeremiah in the Bible was found to tally with the inscription of this on Babylonian Tablets. Read ,‘Hebrew and Costume'.

According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle , King Jehoiakim of Judah rebelled against Babylonian rule, but Nebuchadnezzar captured the city and installed Zedekiah as ruler .In 601 BC, during the fourth year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar unsuccessfully attempted to invade Egypt and was repulsed with heavy losses. The failure led to numerous rebellions among the states of the Levant which owed allegiance to Babylon, including Judah, where King Jehoiakim stopped paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar and took a pro-Egyptian position.
Nebuchadnezzar soon dealt with these rebellions. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle,he laid siege to Jerusalem , which eventual fell .The Chronicle states: Jehoiakim died during the siege.

2. There is no where I mentioned I will give you the methodology. Plainly, I am not here for such. In as much that this is a forum for knowledge sharing . So, let's keep it as such .

3. Beside, I dont care about his claim, because his claim will die a natural death. Olaochi's version of Japan& Yoruba is not my insistence but his Yoruba and west African people with whom Yoruba shares linguistic affiliation. Afterall, he claimed as you did that aboriginal status of Yorubas in Yoruba land.
Mind you, it is never about Yoruba-Mecca relationship but presence of Mediterranean alike mode of worship in Middle East culture, which is non native to west Africa. Thus, the foundational home of Yoruba was Middle East Orú through Egypt's( ke Ra'),to Sudan- migration to the present Yoruba land in Nigeria.

4. Not etymology but cognate. All I have been doing is language similarities from inception.

5. Sorry about the mix up. Google ‘Ethnic pluralism of Ilorin'. And you will see that Ilorin has a multi cultural grouping.

6. Well, Luusi had a father among one of the Oonis that reigned after Lajamisan.So, as you can see,you can't start from there, because. Trust me ,Luusi's grandfather was Lajamisan!.......Ìfé oo'oyè

7. Well, there is nothing under the sun that is new. So I don't expect you to reveal what is under the sealed secrecy. Henceforth, know it ,that there is Nothing Like Secrecy on Something that's between Two People,except Known only to ONE.

Lol contrary to my opinion? cheesy.

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. grin. Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. grin. I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot. cool

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond grin

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:35pm On Sep 17, 2018
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 12:24am On Sep 18, 2018
0balufonlll:


Lol contrary to my opinion? cheesy.

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. grin. Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. grin. I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot. cool

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond grin

laugh So Mr Olu na Ogberi..
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by MetaPhysical: 3:23am On Sep 18, 2018
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 4:48am On Sep 18, 2018
0balufonlll:


Lol contrary to my opinion? cheesy.

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. grin. Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. grin. I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot. cool

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond grin

1. So , Hebrew's Biblical account is not a primary source of their history? I hear you Professor. Ride on.

2. I know,the working of cognate requires etymology but in this context , I expect you to differentiate between etymology of a word and its cognate. AFTERALL others and I HAVE DISAGREED AGAINST CLASSIFICATION OF YORUBA AS HAVING A ‘KWA' ORIGIN.Get over it.

3. Trust me, it is a previlege for you to have this knowledge on Luusi through me, which you cannot know IN A LIFE TIME. Henceforth, I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN YOUR QUESTION ON MY ANCESTORS ANYMORE but do your finding.

4. Self foot shot? You, the professor of ‘history' have done such to yourself and not me. Have you suddenly forgotten, you said, ‘Oluigbo', is not related to Obamakin Osangan? And you claimed to be a descendant of Obalufon embarassed. Yet you don't know Oluigbo history? So start from there, ‘Mr. authority'.

5. I can see how desperate you have become for you to have join the bandwagon of the class of people, using , ‘Awo' as an escape root grin? Please continue in your ignorance as well. Kindly subtract 28+ years from your age and ponder over its meaning grin grin.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:45am On Sep 18, 2018
MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.
These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's assertion of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? grin But here we are, with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that has become null and void in the academic.What an irony!.

Trust me, my research work will have the necessary backing.

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:49am On Sep 18, 2018
MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.


These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's citation of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? grin But here we are with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that it is filled with fairytale .What an irony!.

As disapointing as it is with these people, no western scholarly group ask or query your authencity on a statement once the person is sharing his or her opinion with necessary “citation needed”. Anyway,my research work will have the necessary backing.


Cheers.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:20am On Sep 18, 2018
Olu317:


These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's citation of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? grin But here we are with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that it is filled with fairytale .What an irony!.

As disapointing as it is with these people, no western scholarly group ask or query your authencity on a statement once the person is sharing his or her opinion with necessary “citation needed”. Anyway,my research work will have the necessary backing.


Cheers.

Moral ethical intellectual criticism is normal without resulting to use of vulgar words .
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 1:14pm On Sep 18, 2018
Olu317:

1. So , Hebrew's Biblical account is not a primary source of their history? I hear you Professor. Ride on.

2. I know,the working of cognate requires etymology but in this context , I expect you to differentiate between etymology of a word and its cognate. AFTERALL others and I HAVE DISAGREED AGAINST CLASSIFICATION OF YORUBA AS HAVING A ‘KWA' ORIGIN.Get over it.

3. Trust me, it is a previlege for you to have this knowledge on Luusi through me, which you cannot know IN A LIFE TIME. Henceforth, I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN YOUR QUESTION ON MY ANCESTORS ANYMORE but do your finding.

4. Self foot shot? You, the professor of ‘history' have done such to yourself and not me. Have you suddenly forgotten, you said, ‘Oluigbo', is not related to Obamakin Osangan? And you claimed to be a descendant of Obalufon embarassed. Yet you don't know Oluigbo history? So start from there, ‘Mr. authority'.

5. I can see how desperate you have become for you to have join the bandwagon of the class of people, using , ‘Awo' as an escape root grin? Please continue in your ignorance as well. Kindly subtract 28+ years from your age and ponder over its meaning grin grin.

Your entire response is very comical. I understand you were ruffled by my previous response and you were desperately in need of an escape route.

1. No, it is not. Go to any university around you, visit the History department and ask students or lecturers there. You keep speaking of things in disciplines you have no inkling of knowledge about and further display your ignorance.

2. Lol now you know cognates require etymology. Didn’t you say differently in your previous post? Looool.

3. Luusi that doesn’t even come close to Maye, Sigbunsin, Lukosi, Luugba.grin. If the king of your town visits Ife he will sit on the floor in the front of Lowa not to mention the Isoro kings, Obalufe or the almighty Ooni. So there is nothing privilege-ish about your background. You are the one who is privilege to engage people here who are knowledgeable in their fields. Messrs Olaochi, Redbone, Macof have added to your knowledge and you’ll certainly review your concoctions from what they have given added to you. You should be thankful to them.

4. Olugbo is not related to Obamakin. You don’t know this & I do not blame you. I gave & continue to give you accounts as an insider & indigene of Ile-Ife. It is a primary source & you should cherish it. You have either confused me with Mr. Obalufon who is from Ilara, Ile-Ife or you tried to dishonestly obfuscate things. At no time have I claimed Obalufon lineage - I admire the man for his legacies and that is where it stops.

5. Desperate? You are the one who switched from focusing on language to looking for Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland - this is desperation in full gear to me. And it is even worse that you are a Christian trying to speak on Yoruba religion - this seems like an attempt at an escape route to me.. I have never hidden my awo backgrounds since my days on Nairaland and when I find an ogberi talking glib like you have, I call them out.

In conclusion, you have faithfully displayed the same goal-shifting character when faced with proper questions. You obviously do not have an academic grip of things you are dabbling into. You are in pursuit of a fantasy.

It is funny though that the propehcy in the Bible is the background to your study. No disrespect but didn’t you tell your friend Absolute you were married with kids? How is a family man so entagledwith fantasy this much? I am confused.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 1:58pm On Sep 18, 2018
MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

Katsumoto, Terracotta & a few others who dabbled into language & history of Yoruba people were not illiterates. They knew the framework for pursuing these things and did it within such bounds. A number of them brought up many scholars, reviewed their works and veered into several other disciplines to establish or negate their thoughts. In a nutshell, these people you spoke about knew what methodology was, they knew what theories were & their uses, they knew what cognates were, they knew etymology requires several procedures. They stuck with the rules as stated by those in the academia and didn’t make the foundation of their study a biblical prophecy. You insult those people by comparing them with what is being done by your ilks on this thread.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

Uncle, nobody is interested in anybody’s credentials. Nobody is stupid either to be hoodwinked by unrelated but undulating tripe about Hebrew - sensible people are asking questions to know how the writer arrived at whatever is being pushed, they may want to test the theory before agreeing. Gone are the days when a certain class sold falsehood to the masses like Olumide Lucas did. Nigerians are now mostly awake and will query whatever anyone puts out. Don’t feel threatened, just put out your facts and answers when people ask questions. Abi do you not think Yoruba has suffered alot of distortions within & without already?

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

So the essence of this is what? While Frobenius & the likes interacted, got their data and wrote what they wrote. It was still the same educated Yoruba scholars who dissected the works of these people and pushed forward what was credible and what wasn’t. In the end, everyhing still rests of the training you have received to handle the data in your possession or the fantasy in our heads.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

You should be honest enough to treat the Suzan/Leo as scholars & the locals/oralists as sources of data and leave them at that. The oralsts gave informations, it was not like these oralists tried to approach what they knew from an angle of particular disciplines. And if they did, they would be told to step to the side. And are you aware Yoruba scholars, at least in History, broke away from European methods decades ago & established African Historiography at Ibadan School of History, no? I can guess other fields in Humanities in Nigerian universities have similar experience with localization as opposed to pursuing African research with European methods.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

1. You must hate being asked questions to sum up honest curiosity as ‘antagonism’. This dislike for questions usualky stems from inability to give answers.

2. The inability of you & yours to answer questions but rather keep up with wild claims & shift goal posts is what has derailed the focus of the thread. Answer questions, cite sources & everyone moves on. At least the early debaters or discussants of Yoruba history & language which you mentioned did so with a lot of references at hand. They weren’t posting comical screenshots, they were dropping books they have read by the chapers and pages.

No one is scared of your threats about challenges. Everyone is touchable. As long as what you put up looks like ‘magic’, people will ask questions and query what your background is for making such bold claims.

The moment you begin to metion authors, especially those with rubbished credentials and then subjectively bend their works to suit your goal, is the moment you invite those who know some of these books and what they said to set things straight.

Oh and by the way, this is a public forum, you may need to engage Olu privately if you want to sustain a private discourse because everyone is welcome to post on every thread sustained by the owner of the board.

cool

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:15pm On Sep 18, 2018
0balufonlll:


Your entire response is very comical. I understand you were ruffled by my previous response and you were desperately in need of an escape route.

1. No, it is not. Go to any university around you, visit the History department and ask students or lecturers there. You keep speaking of disciplines you have no inkling of knowledge about and further display your ignorance.

2. Lol now you know cognates require etymology. Didn’t you say differently in your previous post? Looool.

3. Luusi that doesn’t even come close to Maye, Sigbunsin, Lukosi, Luugba.grin. If the king of your town visits Ife he will sit on the floor in the front of Lowa not to mention the Isoro kings, Obalufe or the almighty Ooni. So there is nothing privilege-ish about your background. You are the one who is privilege to engage people here who are knowledgeable in their fields. Messrs Olaochi, Redbone, Macof have added to your knowledge and you’ll certainly review your concoctions from what they have given added to you. You should be thankful to them.

4. Olugbo is not related to Obamakin. You don’t know this & I do not blame you. I gave & continue to give you accounts as an insider & indigene of Ile-Ife. It is a primary source & you should cherish it. You have either confused me with Mr. Obalufon who is from Ilara, Ile-Ife or you tried to dishonestly obfuscate things. At no time have I claimed Obalufon lineage - I admire the man for his legacies and that is where it stops.

5. Desperate? You are the one who switched from focusing on language to looking for Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland - this is desperation in full gear to me. And it is even worse that you are a Christian trying to speak on Yoruba religion - this seems like an attempt at an escape route to me.. I have never hidden my awo backgrounds since my days on Nairaland and when I find an ogberi talking glib like you have, I call them out.

In conclusion, you have faithfully displayed the same goal-shifting character when faced with proper questions. You obviously do not have an academic grip of things you are dabbling into. You are in pursuit of a fantasy.

It is funny though that the propehcy in the Bible is the background to your study. No disrespect but didn’t you tell your friend Absolute you were married with kids? How is a family man so entagledwith fantasy this much? I am confused.
1.Obviously you are confused and bitter .... grin grin grin. Hencefoth,I will not quote you again because you don't know more than Professor Biobaku grin grin. And our able professor's work is relatively relevant.But, what do you intend to be known for to stay relevant in your field? grin grin If you stay relevant ,you will see my work and I hope you will be able to face me because I don't lie nor hide
grin grin

2.Honestly, you make me laugh. So you don't know Oluigbo is of Obamakin's linked family grin? And you know IFE history . Obviously you dont know the history of Hebrew became relevant through their oral account before documented grin grin. Which part of history did you study are specialised? Africa's or Middle East? But trust me,I don't need your response but keep it locked in your heart.

3. I wont be provoked because you re ignorant of some part of IFE history. I insist I won't engage you anymore on my ancestors. But know it,you rediculed yourself and you have erred.

Cheers
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 5:12pm On Sep 18, 2018
Olu317:

1.Obviously you are confused and bitter .... grin grin grin. Hencefoth,I will not quote you again because you don't know more than Professor Biobaku grin grin. And our able professor's work is relatively relevant.But, what do you intend to be known for to stay relevant in your field? grin grin If you stay relevant ,you will see my work and I hope you will be able to face me because I don't lie nor hide
grin grin

Biobaku’s hamitic hypothesis has been thrashed. It was part of his academic profile he never bothered to pursue. Every discipline connected to his hamitic theory piled up evidences against him. Don’t hinge your poor work on the Professor abeg.

2.Honestly, you make me laugh. So you don't know Oluigbo is of Obamakin's linked family grin? And you know IFE history . Obviously you dont know the history of Hebrew became relevant through their oral account before documented grin grin. Which part of history did you study are specialised? Africa's or Middle East? But trust me,I don't need your response but keep it locked in your heart.

You are quite persistent aren’t you? You should be at least logical if not trained in History to know that you were supposed to check your Olugbo narrative with Ife. Does Ile-Ife reflect connection between Obamakin & Olugbo in anyway or form? Yet, when we talk, your uncle Metaphysical will go on a rant about creating parallel threads and throwing challenges. I guess he wants to sustain this misinformation you have a penchant for.

You engage Bini revisionist when they scuttle Yoruba history, yet you turn around & do the same thing because you want to pursue an agenda or put up a false persona to make people think you know things. Sorry to burst your bubble but m Ugbo is not one unit, there are several Ugbo groups spread across Ife. Olugbo’s Ugbo is under Iwinrin/Obawinrin Ugbo. And they are the ones who serve as the custodian of Igare/Oluyare & Pokulere festivals.

The Olugbo’s account you are bandying about is very false. It was the same account that claimed Obamakin/Oranmakin was Oramfe’s son meanwhile Oramfe had 4 sons and they founded the Ejio/Obajio house & Obaluru house today. You need to learn how to handle claims & evidences placed in front of you before passing of false claims as true.

3. I wont be provoked because you re ignorant of some part of IFE history. I insist I won't engage you anymore on my ancestors. But know it,you rediculed yourself and you have erred. Cheers

Ignorant of some part of Ife history? No fam, your Luusi never ever featured in any part of Ife history. I never expected you to mention who that Luusi’s father was, you are smart.

You fomented little trouble then capitalized on it to evade the Luusi question. grin. God saved you though, you would have embarrassed yourself and your ancestry if you had pursued your false Lafogido angle. cheesy

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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 8:40pm On Sep 18, 2018
MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

Good evening dear brother, quite a long time.

Well you have a good point there, but I must be candid, you know that status has changed, so being very effective as one used to be can be a daunting process. Now I have responsibilities and rent to pay, in less than 2 months I'm paying 500k per annum, and I don't have it all yet, except I double up my efforts and relax afterwards. Would I be posting up and down here and distract myself from real life calls? That's my true distraction.

People claiming to be historians are many, but the problem persists, because they do not have the temerity to solve the problem. The problem cannot be solve by title, it can only be solved by knowledge and till date, that knowledge elude them all who cling to the title of historian. This is the study of tradition of origin and native intelligence goes into it, not stupid assumptions and clever attempts at hoodwinking people to submission.

Well this is Yorubaland and our people are very lazy intellectually, I'm sorry to say that, if not, a fellow like macof would have been shun for his stupid antics. He is the most clever and subtle fellow I know, I've deal with him in the past, I don't want to go the same route because time have changed. I'm used to his antics, he will bark but will never bite, so he is a toothless bulldog. To bark is to say demeaning things about others, that's his 'scarecrow technique'.



As for continuation of my post here, no one can chase me out bro, my last post to Olu was a decoy, if I don't pretend or feign weakness, he wont puke. I'm coming up with a nice thread soon, this one has been defaced by the circus band.

They've been able to achieve something here, no history to tell, only a fight to finish with whoever have a story to tell. At the end, they fail to tell a story, then that settles it once and for all that they were not in the privy of fact but historical theory of all sort.
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:51pm On Sep 18, 2018
is getting interesting here ..we need a time machine to settle this intellectual/academic war ..
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:54pm On Sep 18, 2018
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:04pm On Sep 18, 2018
i'm history enthusiast ..Mr olu please check out the site i posted ..if is related to the same Luusi you are talking about .. Pertaining olugbo research on Imahin /mahin a notable figure from ife was buried there .. They coined the name of the city from it ""mahin"" . where his buried
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 9:23pm On Sep 18, 2018
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