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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by newsynews: 6:31am On Jun 11
OkCornel:


I recall it was more than one Pharisee that accused Jesus of being in league with Belzeebub. A million of them accusing Jesus can never still make them right...

So whatever you're smelling is the grandeur of your own delusion...

Besides @Dencotext even lied anti-tithers are 666 American and Russian bots...

Oya let him bring evidence... nothing whatsoever to back up his paranoid assumptions. Just raising false alarms on the thread...

alBHAGDAD...up till now, you have no evidence to support your empty claims.

Sorry dude, Jesus was accused in regards to miracle of casting out demons, not for preaching the word of God. You are a demon and a pharisee for attacking the word of God.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 7:03am On Jun 11
newsynews:


Sorry dude, Jesus was accused in regards to miracle of casting out demons, not for preaching the word of God. You are a demon and a pharisee for attacking the word of God.

Buhahaha...more Pharisees are coming out...

Bottom line is, Jesus was attacked by the Pharisees for doing what was right and true.

Please open your scriptures and show us instances where the early christians gave tithes. I have brought scriptural and historical evidences that proves tithing was not practised in the early church, it started with the synod of macon via the Catholic church in 567 AD.

Also show us where God requested for money as tithes. Show us where Jesus or the Apostles collected tithes like the Pastorpreneurs are doing today...

If telling you this means I am attacking the word of God, then go and wallow in your lies and delusions...

Please show me how exactly I attacked the word of God or hide your face in shame...

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 8:21am On Jun 11
newsynews:


Sorry dude, Jesus was accused in regards to miracle of casting out demons, not for preaching the word of God. You are a demon and a pharisee for attacking the word of God.
If it was mainly due to miracle performance that they were criticizing Jesus, Jesus won't ask them 'by what means are your sons expelling demons?' Matthew 12:27
The Pharisees claims that their own members also cast out demons, so what really caused the friction wasn't the miracles per say but the teaching that it's ONLY when people are listening and doing what Jesus{who is just a young man of about 33} teaches that they can see God's Kingdom! John 3:16-18
Just imagine, Jesus even referred to whoever is not following him as DEAD people! Matthew 8:22

So it wasn't the miracles Sir but the TEACHING!

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 8:45am On Jun 11
All these boastful 21st century Pharisees claiming they give to God directly...

Hear what Jesus clearly said about giving to Him directly;

Matthew 25 v 38-40 (Contemporary English Version);

38 Then the ones who pleased the Lord will ask, when did we give you something to eat or drink?

39 or visit you while you were sick or in jail?

40 The king will answer, whenever you did it for ANY PEOPLE NO MATTER HOW UNIMPORTANT THEY SEEMED, YOU DID IT FOR ME.



Some Pharisees who are insisting on pouring old wine in new wineskins will still argue monetary tithing (which God never instructed) in the church is giving to God directly...

Whereas, Jesus clearly explained what it means to give to Him directly...

@newsynews come and shout that I'm attacking the word of God...


I will repeat this over and over again. Giving with a mindset of expecting something in return or with a "what's in it for me mentality" is a poverty induced and very selfish mindset not befitting of a believer in the new covenant.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 3:20pm On Jun 11
OkCornel:
All these boastful 21st century Pharisees claiming they give to God directly...
Hear what Jesus clearly said about giving to Him directly;
Matthew 25 v 38-40 (Contemporary English Version);
38 Then the ones who pleased the Lord will ask, when did we give you something to eat or drink?
39 or visit you while you were sick or in jail?
40 The king will answer, whenever you did it for {{{{ANY PEOPLE NO MATTER HOW UNIMPORTANT THEY SEEMED, YOU DID IT FOR ME}}}}.
Some Pharisees who are insisting on pouring old wine in new wineskins will still argue monetary tithing (which God never instructed) in the church is giving to God directly...
Whereas, Jesus clearly explained what it means to give to Him directly...
@newsynews come and shout that I'm attacking the word of God...
I will repeat this over and over again. Giving with a mindset of expecting something in return or with a "what's in it for me mentality" is a poverty induced and very selfish mindset not befitting of a believer in the new covenant.
Most Bible readers concluded that Jesus was actually talking about the less privilege or beggars in the society @ Matthew 25: 31-46

But they failed to noticed that Jesus,his first century Apostles and disciples NEVER gave a beggar any money! undecided Whereas everything that Jesus wanted his followers to do, he lead by examples!

So who are those that Jesus was talking about in that illustration?

The reality may surprise most people! undecided
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:36pm On Jun 11
Maximus69:
Most Bible readers concluded that Jesus was actually talking about the less privilege or beggars in the society @ Matthew 25: 31-46

But they failed to noticed that Jesus,his first century Apostles and disciples NEVER gave a beggar any money! undecided Whereas everything that Jesus wanted his followers to do, he lead by examples!

So who are those that Jesus was talking about in that illustration?

The reality may surprise most people! undecided

Yes, please tell us, who were those Jesus spoke of in that illustration?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 4:23pm On Jun 11
OkCornel:


Yes, please tell us, who were those Jesus spoke of in that illustration?
Jesus was actually talking about his brothers!

First of all you need to know that Jesus came from heaven and he will return to his home to continue his life as a spirit person after ruling the earth for 1,000 years. There must be 144,000 humans to be selected from different part of the earth as corulers with him, this are the ones Jesus referred to as his brothers, they are also called the born agains. They're the ones Jesus gave the task to go out preaching and teaching people about his kingdom.

Because Satan will surely treat these group the way he dealt with Jesus, whoever assisted them in their works is like doing all those things Jesus mentioned to them.
They needed support because they can't complete that work given them, so all those who assisted them in the preaching and teaching work are the ones Jesus is referring to as sheep!

I recollect a day i was with one of them in the field service preaching, a woman poured water with palm oil on him due to what her Pastors told her about JWs.
I felt like going back to tell the woman 'you're attacking Jesus' brother' but he hold me back and said 'she won't believe you' so i walked away in tears! cry

They are the REAL born agains! There number is speedily reducing as majority of them are now with Jesus in heaven! Whoever drove them away is DOOMED! embarassed
That is why we're assisting them globally to do their work. The preaching and teaching work you see Jehovah's Witnesses zealously doing globally is NOT primary our work but because Jesus said they needed assistance that's why majority amongst us are spending our precious time to assist them!

If you meet them outside they will never discuss about their spiritual status with you, but we know them because they worship in our midst and they can't hide their status from us! They always behave like Jesus just as Jesus will not declare his status to anyone, they also will never tell anyone that they are BORN AGAIN!
It is due to God's grace that we know them and if you think you've met honest, kind, good, trustworthy and kind hearted people amongst JWs, i'm sorry to tell you that if you live with one of them your heart will continue to beat saying 'this is an angel'. Of course their garment that's taken them to heaven is readily waiting till they finish their earthly course!

So it is them that we're striving to copy just as they have perfectly copied Jesus, most people agitate when we tell them 'you can't worship the true God elsewhere' well it is because you can never master Jesus' teaching without seeing those practicing it. We have them in our midst that's why we are totally different from all other religions on earth!
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 4:27pm On Jun 11
Maximus69:
Jesus was actually talking about his brothers!

First of all you need to know that Jesus came from heaven and he will return to his home to continue his life as a spirit person after ruling the earth for 1,000 years. There must be 144,000 humans to be selected from different part of the earth as corulers with him, this are the ones Jesus referred to as his brothers, they are also called the born agains. They're the ones Jesus gave the task to go out preaching and teaching people about his kingdom.

Because Satan will surely treat these group the way he dealt with Jesus, whoever assisted them in their works is like doing all those things Jesus mentioned to them.
They needed support because they can't complete that work given them, so all those who assisted them in the preaching and teaching work are the ones Jesus is referring to as sheep!

I recollect a day i was with one of them in the field service preaching, a woman poured water with palm oil on him due to what her Pastors told her about JWs.
I felt like going back to tell the woman 'you're attacking Jesus' brother' but he hold me back and said 'she won't believe you' so i walked away in tears! cry

They are the REAL born agains! There number is speedily reducing as majority of them are now with Jesus in heaven! Whoever drove them away is DOOMED! embarassed
That is why we're assisting them globally to do their work. The preaching and teaching work you see Jehovah's Witnesses zealously doing globally is NOT primary our work but because Jesus said they needed assistance that's why majority amongst us are spending our precious time to assist them!

If you meet them outside they will never discuss about their spiritual status with you, but we know them because they worship in our midst and they can't hide their status from us! They always behave like Jesus just as Jesus will not declare his status to anyone, they also will never tell anyone that they are BORN AGAIN!
It is due to God's grace that we know them and if you think you've met honest, kind, good, trustworthy and kind hearted people amongst JWs, i'm sorry to tell you that if you live with one of them your heart will continue to beat saying 'this is an angel'. Of course their garment that's taken them to heaven is readily waiting till they finish their earthly course!

The very start of that scripture was talking about the day of judgment where the sheeps would be separated from the goats...


Just to be clear, are you saying the sheep are only 144,000 in number?


Or are you saying the sheep would help a special group of people who are only 144,000 in number?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 4:35pm On Jun 11
OkCornel:


The very start of that scripture was talking about the day of judgment where the sheeps would be separated from the goats...


Just to be clear, are you saying the sheep are only 144,000 in number?


Or are you saying the sheep would help a special group of people who are only 144,000 in number?
The sheep will help them!
Take note that Jesus is the first and foremost sheep! {Revelations 14:1} and the later part of that verse said the 144,000 are with the Lamb{sheep}

So Jesus told them not to worry because 'other sheep' of another fold will assist them in this last days and those other sheep is what you're seeing all around the world today called Jehovah's Witnesses! John 10:16
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 4:39pm On Jun 11
Maximus69:

The sheep will help them!
Take note that Jesus is the first and foremost sheep! {Revelations 14:1} and the later part of that verse said the 144,000 are with the Lamb{sheep}

So Jesus told them not to worry because 'other sheep' of another fold will assist them in this last days and those other sheep is what you're seeing all around the world today called Jehovah's Witnesses! John 10:16

I'll reply this later today. With some verses from the letter of Apostle James and John
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 7:45pm On Jun 11
Hello all,

There are two types of erroneous mistakes Christians are making now.

1. The sin of OMISSION! What bible says is overlooked, ignored or deemed irrelevant to practice.
2. The sin of COMMISSION. What bible did not say, or forbid, is constantly done or practice or included.

Please watch out men!
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by elated177: 8:10pm On Jun 11
Dencotext:
Hello house,

I have discovered some fundamental truths about tithing and firstfruits. These are the only two forms of giving that the lord declares to be holy unto Him. Tithing or one-tenth is the divine QUANTITATIVE standard, while firstfruits is the divine QUALITATIVE standard how our gifts presented to HONOR God should be. Do you even know why? God gave us his firstborn son JESUS and expected the same gesture if we wish to honor Him directly. Giving to God your firstborn Isaac or firstfruits melts God's heart; the memory is sacred and holy unto GOD because we can now see that HE gave us HIS own firstborn JESUS WHO died a brutal death for us. He did not withhold any good thing from us in that single sacrifice. And that was why God accepted Abel's offering because he saw the blood and also the firstfruits. Cain's gifts were rejected not because he sinned in any way but because it did not meet the divine standard. AFTER ABEL, God has not accepted anything less than the blood or firstfruits or tithes from any of his servants. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, the Israelites, all were commanded to honor him with their firstfruits and tithes (and the blood to receive forgiveness). GOD IS A SPIRIT, He does not change or lower His standard over time.This divine specification is now made clearer to us why God hallows tithing and the firstfruits... JESUS HIS FIRSTBORN WAS OFFERED TO DIE FOR US.

You cannot honor God directly with anything less than your firstborn fruits or your tithes. When you give offerings to the church, or do charity works, you are sowing for the kingdom. But to honor God if you so wish, it is like showing respect and trying to catch His attention or invoking His favors, and there is a great blessing for observing this ritual, you have to give your tithes and/or your firstfruits. It is a ritual that has worked wonders for me; I have CRIED severally when God bent human rules to favor me blatantly.

1. it is the first commandment, which states that you should LOVE GOD with all your heart.

2. but if you to do charity to your fellow man, then you are keeping the second commandment which states that you should LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself.

COLUMN FOR BIBLE QUOTATIONS
1. Corinthians 15:23: "But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ."
2. Exodus 22:29: Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
3. Roman 11:16: If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
3. Matthew 5:14. Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.''
4. Leviticus 27:30: 'Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S; it is holy to the LORD.
5. Malachi 3:10: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows."
6. Numbers 18: 17: “But the firstborn of a cow, or the firstborn of a sheep, or the firstborn of a goat, you shall not redeem; they are holy.”
7. Leviticus 27: 30 – 33: “30 Every tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the LORD’s; it is holy to the LORD. 31 If a man wishes to redeem some of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it. 32 And every tithe of herds and flocks, every tenth animal of all that pass under the herdsman’s staff, shall be holy to the LORD. 33 One shall not differentiate between good or bad, neither shall he make a substitute for it; and if he does substitute for it, then both it and the substitute shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.”
8. Matthew 22: 37 – 40: “37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
9. 2 Corinthian 9: 6 – 10: “6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work."


It is really interesting that you have no regard for Scriptural truth whatsoever. You lumped everything together, cutting and nailing them wherever and however you saw fit. It is interesting that you did not include Deut 14:22-29 which explain tithes clearly.

You have clearly defined tithe.

However, how many kinds of tithes existed during the Levitical priesthood? Why really did our Father in heaven command the Israelites of old to do tithes and first fruit?

There is no Scriptural backing for first fruit or tithe for any saint of YHVH of Hosts after the death and resurrection of his Son, Yahushua the Messiah.

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 8:18pm On Jun 11
Dencotext:
Hello all,

There are two types of erroneous mistakes Christians are making now.

1. The sin of OMISSION! What bible says is overlooked, ignored or deemed irrelevant to practice.
2. The sin of COMMISSION. What bible did not say, or forbid, is constantly done or practice or included.

Please watch out men!

OMITION means knowing the right time to act or speak but deliberately avoiding what ought to be done!

COMMISSION means willfully or conscientiously involving in a crime!

Both are sin before the true God!
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by elated177: 8:22pm On Jun 11
Dencotext:

Hey man are you blind? The first name on the list is the Levite? But you overlooked It and glided to the poor! The Levites are designated as priests and all tithes must bè given unto them. They are the only tribe of Israel who do not have land, house, or properties of their own. They are considered an outcast like the fatherless, widows, because they were not given any inherintance in Israel. They may only sleep in donated buildings or the churches. They are not even permitted to work outside the churches. If you do not feed them with God's money, they are finished!

And the Levites are the pastors, right? Outrageous!

If you had an iota of regard for Scriptural truth, you would have realized that the Levitical priesthood is obsolete and no longer exists.

The only Laws of the Creator of heaven and earth that remained unchanged after the death and the resurrection of Yahushua the Messiah are his Ten Commandments. Laws such as the sacrificial laws, first fruit, tithing, etc are obsolete and no longer valid.

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 10:00pm On Jun 11
elated177:


And the Levites are the pastors, right? Outrageous!

If you had an iota of regard for Scriptural truth, you would have realized that the Levitical priesthood is obsolete and no longer exists.

The only Laws of the Creator of heaven and earth that remained unchanged after the death and the resurrection of Yahushua the Messiah are his Ten Commandments. Laws such as the sacrificial laws, first fruit, tithing, etc are obsolete and no longer valid.
That is correct if applied with divine wisdom!
But i disagree with the use of the Hebrew pronunciation of JESUS' name!
Of course that is somehow close to what his mum actually called him at birth, but if we're to do that today, then all other Biblical names should be returned to their original pronunciation in Hebrew! undecided

Don't worry about the argument regarding the real pronunciation of his name in Hebrew, what is of utmost importance is his teachings and how to apply them!

People around the world choose the pronunciation that's fitting in their own tongue, for instance Jehovah's Witnesses don't pronounce the names the same way globally but our teachings is of one thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 10:51pm On Jun 11
Maximus69:
Most Bible readers concluded that Jesus was actually talking about the less privilege or beggars in the society @ Matthew 25: 31-46

But they failed to noticed that Jesus,his first century Apostles and disciples NEVER gave a beggar any money! undecided Whereas everything that Jesus wanted his followers to do, he lead by examples!

So who are those that Jesus was talking about in that illustration?

The reality may surprise most people! undecided
Good point and a food for thought! Concentrate your energy and resources to bring people to Christ more. Although the disciples gave alms too but they used their wealth more to take care of the needy amongst them.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:23pm On Jun 11
elated177:


It is really interesting that you have no regard for Scriptural truth whatsoever. You lumped everything together, cutting and nailing them wherever and however you saw fit. It is interesting that you did not include Deut 14:22-29 which explain tithes clearly.

You have clearly defined tithe.

However, how many kinds of tithes existed during the Levitical priesthood? Why really did our Father in heaven command the Israelites of old to do tithes and first fruit?

There is no Scriptural backing for first fruit or tithe for any saint of YHVH of Hosts after the death and resurrection of his Son, Yahushua the Messiah.

Tithing and Firstfruits has nothing to do with the LAW but a form of giving that pleases God. The first man to give firstfruit to God was ABEL... this was before the LAW of Moses ever came into existence. God accepted his offering and rejected CAIN's offering because it was not given in this format. Who taught Abel to do this WHEN PRESENTING A GIFT TO HONOR GOD DIRECTLY? GOD IS NOT A MAN UNLESS YOU ARE NOT SCARED OF YOUR CREATOR. God knows He would ONEDAY give us JESUS his firstborn, that is why firstfruit of your substances have a symbolic impact in HIS DIVINE MIND. So what made you think firstfruit offering outside the LAW is not acceptable? No matter the fact that WE HAVE WRITTEN SEVERALLY THAT WE ARE DOING THESE OUT OF LOVE FOR CHRIST, ANTITHERS WOULD INSULT US.

Who was the first man to pay tithe? Abraham paid a tenth of all before the LAW (Tenth meant tithe...and not necessarily a commandment). JACOB also made a vow to God at Gilgal that he would give back to God a tenth of everything that God gives him. This was a freewill offering made by JACOB all his life. Now believers in Christ are not under law because this dispensation is the new covenant. It has nothing to do with whether we give a freewill offering of our tenth, which mean tithe in hebrew, or decima in italian, or 10% in all languages, unless you think the authors of the bible do not know mathematics. It has absolutely nothing to do with a commandment... every portion of the bible whether old testament or new testament is good and worthy of being used for instruction and learning if your faith is on Christ. You can call your gifts anything you wish like tithing, firstfruit, offering, or seedfaith. Moreover anything connected to God is wonderful.

What I find disgusting and very satanic is the fact that antitithers use WORDS and reference to LAW to play tricks on the minds of people NOT TO GIVE. It is like the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE THAT CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH is a ritual giver. How can you condemn what a mere mortal presents to His God in happiness as ritual?

We tithers, people that lay aside 10% and more of their income for the gospel are doing it out of love because we believe giving above 10% is bountifully and going below 10% is sparingly.... and the higher the percentage the greater the sacrifice and the rewards.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:48pm On Jun 11
elated177:


And the Levites are the pastors, right? Outrageous!

If you had an iota of regard for Scriptural truth, you would have realized that the Levitical priesthood is obsolete and no longer exists.

The only Laws of the Creator of heaven and earth that remained unchanged after the death and the resurrection of Yahushua the Messiah are his Ten Commandments. Laws such as the sacrificial laws, first fruit, tithing, etc are obsolete and no longer valid.
You guys misunderstood the bible. No law or commandment has stop existing...its a cruel metaphor to use shocked. It rather fulfilled and interpreted in the new covenant. The lamb sacrifice is JESUS BLOOD sacrifice on the cross, offered to cleanse us, but if we reject JESUS, please remember the LAW OF MOSES STIL WORKS AGAINST SINNERS. The LEVITES are now interpreted to be BELIEVERS IN CHRIST who are made priests to our God.

Please stop dividing the bible into old and new testament teachings. Rather, the bible has only one teaching that kept unfolding till it would all be fulfilled at the close of ages.

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 12:00am On Jun 12
Maximus69:


OMITION means knowing the right time to act or speak but deliberately avoiding what ought to be done!

COMMISSION means willfully or conscientiously involving in a crime!

Both are sin before the true God!
Yes you are right, but nothing is a crime unless it is forbidden by the bible. And avoiding to do what ought to be done is like ignoring the word of God. We are saying the same things, but in different ways, to encourage others. Kudos! grin
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 6:43am On Jun 12
Dencotext:
Good point and a food for thought! Concentrate your energy and resources to bring people to Christ more. Although the disciples gave alms too but they used their wealth more to take care of the needy amongst them.
Exactly what i said!
They NEVER gave beggars a single coin throughout all the stories recorded in their ministry, the only thing happening was amongst them! Act 4:32-37
That is why i kept directing the attention of honest hearted followers to go and SEE the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of given in accordance with the scriptures amongst Jehovah's Witnesses!
You'll NEVER hear of any strife or grudge in our midst because of expenditure of whatever we're able to gather amongst ourselves, unlike when an individual can just buy anything he wishes out of the funds of the congregation even things as worthless as PRIVATE JETS! 1John 2:15-17
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 6:47am On Jun 12
OkCornel:


I'll reply this later today. With some verses from the letter of Apostle James and John
Still expecting your response! smiley
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Maximus69: 7:01am On Jun 12
Dencotext:
Yes you are right, but nothing is a crime unless it is forbidden by the bible. And avoiding to do what ought to be done is like ignoring the word of God. We are saying the same things, but in different ways, to encourage others. Kudos! grin
It's my job now but i do encourage people to learn most importantly from the examples of those teaching them! 2Timothy 3:14, Hebrew13:7
So it's vital you must be seeing the person teaching you in order to learn not just the theory alone but especially the PRACTICAL aspect of the teaching, that is why there is no religious group having dedicated, zealous and industrious members like the JWs, because each of is fully competent and completely equipped to handle the word of God{SWORD} Hebrew 4:12 compared to Ephesians 6:17 and 2Timothy 2:15 like a true soldier of Christ!
No wonder we're totally different from all the religious groups claiming Christians IN THE WORLD! John 17:11-19
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Nobody: 7:54am On Jun 12
Dencotext:
You guys misunderstood the bible. No law or commandment has stop existing...its a cruel metaphor to use shocked. It rather fulfilled and interpreted in the new covenant. The lamb sacrifice is JESUS BLOOD sacrifice on the cross, offered to cleanse us, but if we reject JESUS, please remember the LAW OF MOSES STIL WORKS AGAINST SINNERS. The LEVITES are now interpreted to be BELIEVERS IN CHRIST who are made priests to our God.
At bolded, if you say believers are now levites and priest to our God, then why do you expect a priest of God to pay tithe to another priest of God? Was anything like this seen in the old testament? In a simple sentence did the levites of old pay tithes to other levites?
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Nobody: 10:13am On Jun 12
Dencotext:
Tithing and Firstfruits has nothing to do with the LAW but a form of giving that pleases God. The first man to give firstfruit to God was ABEL... this was before the LAW of Moses ever came into existence. God accepted his offering and rejected CAIN's offering because it was not given in this format. Who taught Abel to do this WHEN PRESENTING A GIFT TO HONOR GOD DIRECTLY? GOD IS NOT A MAN UNLESS YOU ARE NOT SCARED OF YOUR CREATOR. God knows He would ONEDAY give us JESUS his firstborn, that is why firstfruit of your substances have a symbolic impact in HIS DIVINE MIND. So what made you think firstfruit offering outside the LAW is not acceptable?
you are just finding all possible means to defend Tithing and First Fruits because you have wallowed in it for long.
Oga you can give tithe or first fruits without using it to rub others. Remember it is not compulsory but out of wiillingness and love for Christ.

Dencotext:
No matter the fact that WE HAVE WRITTEN SEVERALLY THAT WE ARE DOING THESE OUT OF LOVE FOR CHRIST, ANTITHERS WOULD INSULT US.
answered above.

Dencotext:
Who was the first man to pay tithe? Abraham paid a tenth of all before the LAW (Tenth meant tithe...and not necessarily a commandment). JACOB also made a vow to God at Gilgal that he would give back to God a tenth of everything that God gives him. This was a freewill offering made by JACOB all his life.
Where is it stated in the new covenant that it is compulsory for believers in the Lord Jesus Christ to pay tithe and give first fruits?

Dencotext:
Now believers in Christ are not under law because this dispensation is the new covenant. It has nothing to do with whether we give a freewill offering of our tenth, which mean tithe in hebrew, or decima in italian, or 10% in all languages, unless you think the authors of the bible do not know mathematics. It has absolutely nothing to do with a commandment... every portion of the bible whether old testament or new testament is good and worthy of being used for instruction and learning if your faith is on Christ. You can call your gifts anything you wish like tithing, firstfruit, offering, or seedfaith. Moreover anything connected to God is wonderful.
Not to cheer you up but yes I agree with this. It is not compulsory neither is it by force and believers are not under any curse or will be curse if they fail in this aspect. But believers should be careful with the use of the name "Tithe or first fruits" attacahed to their gifts so that it won't seems they are giving according to the law.

Dencotext:
What I find disgusting and very satanic is the fact that antitithers use WORDS and reference to LAW to play tricks on the minds of people NOT TO GIVE.
You guys are the one that uses the law to coerce people to pay tithe and give first fruits and make believers feel bad when they don't.

Take note I am not against giving. What I'm against is that TITHING AND FIRST FRUITS IS OF THE LAW AND BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. COME TO THINK OF IT THE LAW WAS ONLY MEANT FOR THE JEWS AND NOT FOR THE GENTILES.

You can give the whole of your earnings or one tenth, two tenth, quarter, half etc of your earnings to God, but remember you are not doing it because it is stated in the law but because it comes from a willing heart and love for Christ.

Dencotext:
It is like the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE THAT CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH is a ritual giver. How can you condemn what a mere mortal presents to His God in happiness as ritual?
No. Modern day Pharisees like you are the ones that uses the law to condemn people who don't pay tithes and give first fruits.
Remember believers of Christ are not under the law and should always give as directed by the Holy Spirit out of a willing heart and love for Christ.

Dencotext:
We tithers, people that lay aside 10% and more of their income for the gospel are doing it out of love because we believe giving above 10% is bountifully and going below 10% is sparingly.... and the higher the percentage the greater the sacrifice and the rewards.
Luke 21:1-4

KJV:And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
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[/b]KJV:And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.[/b]
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KJV:And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
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KJV:For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

Thanks.

God bless.

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 12:03pm On Jun 12
Maximus69:
Still expecting your response! smiley

So sorry bro, I'll definitely respond to this today unfailingly...

Thanks for your patience...
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 12:04pm On Jun 12
Dencotext:
You guys misunderstood the bible. No law or commandment has stop existing...its a cruel metaphor to use shocked. It rather fulfilled and interpreted in the new covenant. The lamb sacrifice is JESUS BLOOD sacrifice on the cross, offered to cleanse us, but if we reject JESUS, please remember the LAW OF MOSES STIL WORKS AGAINST SINNERS. The LEVITES are now interpreted to be BELIEVERS IN CHRIST who are made priests to our God.

Please stop dividing the bible into old and new testament teachings. Rather, the bible has only one teaching that kept unfolding till it would all be fulfilled at the close of ages.

Per the bolded, the book of Peter states that all believers in the new covenant are members of a royal priesthood...not just Pastors or church workers...
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 2:50pm On Jun 12
Hello House,

Can you see the same similarities in bot behaviours and posting style of these two antitithers in the forum? Obviously a bot means one entity duplicating itself with different names to spam a forum and to discourage truth seekers from talking about tithing and firstfruit. Their arguments kept mutating like a trojan horse... if you say you are giving 10% free will and not under a commandment, they seemingly bring you back to square one and accuss you of keeping the law... they are working systematically and purposefully. Ignored them and do not get agitated by their words of false allegations against us. They are frugal entities that do not give their hard earned cash away. A non-giver find the topic of giving to God in any fashion most irritating. THEIR ATTACK IS STILL THE OLD FASHION ACCUSSATION... YOU ARE KEEPING THE LAW? WHAT IS BAD ABOUT KEEPING ANY LAW ANYWAY? All societies is governed by laws... may be we should talk about keeping the law next and what parts we can keep.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:01pm On Jun 12
Hello Tithers in the house,

Did the messianic jews like PETER, JAMES and JOHN as saint Paul insinuated kept the law and still where Christians? What I meant here is did Pauline epistles stated that the JEWISH believers kept the law (washed hands, circumcised, pay tithes, and attend synagogues, and so on, or practice some of these if not all) but the Gentile believers were exempted from these rituals? If true, then is it possible to keep the LAW and still be a believer? Of course, me and all my family male members are circumcised, which is not our original customs.

Please note that I would appreciate the comments of tithers above antithers who I found sometimes to be so bias in scriptural analysis. Please I am asking for scriptural analysis and documentation of the behaviours of the early jewish Christians and not the Gentiles. Even if the jews did it honestly or hypocritically... i want to know whether they kept the LAW or some of it and to what extent and still where accepted as believers because of their faith in Christ. I am fed up with antithers saying we are keeping the law... so lets talk about the LAW and its compatibility with FAITH IN CHRIST. When posting please tell us whether you have been circumcized or not and why. shocked grin
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 4:51pm On Jun 12
Dencotext:
Hello House,

Can you see the same similarities in bot behaviours and posting style of these two antitithers in the forum? Obviously a bot means one entity duplicating itself with different names to spam a forum and to discourage truth seekers from talking about tithing and firstfruit. Their arguments kept mutating like a trojan horse... if you say you are giving 10% free will and not under a commandment, they seemingly bring you back to square one and accuss you of keeping the law... they are working systematically and purposefully. Ignored them and do not get agitated by their words of false allegations against us. They are frugal entities that do not give their hard earned cash away. A non-giver find the topic of giving to God in any fashion most irritating. THEIR ATTACK IS STILL THE OLD FASHION ACCUSSATION... YOU ARE KEEPING THE LAW? WHAT IS BAD ABOUT KEEPING ANY LAW ANYWAY? All societies is governed by laws... may be we should talk about keeping the law next and what parts we can keep.

For goodness sake, why are you using your false accusation of being an american or russian bot to dodge the comments I just made?

If you cannot use your first class in computer science to prove beyond a reasonable doubt myself or agrogbeide or elated 177 are bots, then keep quiet and stop spreading lies...

Let me give you a litmus test, bots cannot detect sarcasm ( not lies )and would respond to a sacarstic comment in a literal manner...I don't need a first class in computer science to figure this out!

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 5:08pm On Jun 12
Dencotext:
Hello Tithers in the house,

Did the messianic jews like PETER, JAMES and JOHN as saint Paul insinuated kept the law and still where Christians? What I meant here is did Pauline epistles stated that the JEWISH believers kept the law (washed hands, circumcised, pay tithes, and attend synagogues, and so on, or practice some of these if not all) but the Gentile believers were exempted from these rituals? If true, then is it possible to keep the LAW and still be a believer? Of course, me and all my family male members are circumcised, which is not our original customs.

There was a time Paul confronted Peter on preferential treatment of Jewish believers over Gentile believers in Galatians 2 v 11-16;

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2 v 14 suggests there were Jewish believers who still kept the Law, thus leading to Paul emphasizing in verse 16 that a man is not justified by THE WORKS OF THE LAW

Dencotext:

Please note that I would appreciate the comments of tithers above antithers who I found sometimes to be so bias in scriptural analysis. Please I am asking for scriptural analysis and documentation of the behaviours of the early jewish Christians and not the Gentiles. Even if the jews did it honestly or hypocritically... i want to know whether they kept the LAW or some of it and to what extent and still where accepted as believers because of their faith in Christ.

Per the bolded, in my opinion... Jewish believers would not have participated in rituals of the Law that had to do with sin offering (sacrificing bulls, pigeons and goats) for the cleansing of their sins or other purification rituals... amongst other things written in the book of Hebrews...


Dencotext:

I am fed up with antithers saying we are keeping the law... so lets talk about the LAW and its compatibility with FAITH IN CHRIST. When posting please tell us whether you have been circumcized or not and why. shocked grin

Yup... I'm circumcized... not like I had a choice to start with grin

Although I learnt it's medically advisable to be circumcized than uncircumcized... No one gets circumcized these days just because the Laws of Moses requires it...

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Nobody: 5:13pm On Jun 12
Dencotext:
Hello Tithers in the house,

Did the messianic jews like PETER, JAMES and JOHN as saint Paul insinuated kept the law and still where Christians? What I meant here is did Pauline epistles stated that the JEWISH believers kept the law (washed hands, circumcised, pay tithes, and attend synagogues, and so on, or practice some of these if not all) but the Gentile believers were exempted from these rituals? If true, then is it possible to keep the LAW and still be a believer? Of course, me and all my family male members are circumcised, which is not our original customs.

Please note that I would appreciate the comments of tithers above antithers who I found sometimes to be so bias in scriptural analysis. Please I am asking for scriptural analysis and documentation of the behaviours of the early jewish Christians and not the Gentiles. Even if the jews did it honestly or hypocritically... i want to know whether they kept the LAW or some of it and to what extent and still where accepted as believers because of their faith in Christ. I am fed up with antithers saying we are keeping the law... so lets talk about the LAW and its compatibility with FAITH IN CHRIST. When posting please tell us whether you have been circumcized or not and why. shocked grin
You are just hopping up and down looking for a coat of many colours that will make your claims beautiful. All your posts are emotional and I don't expect this from you. Were you having the mindset that everyone will surely accept your opinion without proper scrutinity?

Let you and your household keep and obey the Mosaic law without involving other believers.

BTW you said The LEVITES are now interpreted to be BELIEVERS IN CHRIST who are made priests to our God.

My Question Mr Dencotext; did the levites of old paid tithes and gave first fruits to other levites or levitical priests?

If you say believers are modern day levites and priests unto God, do you expect them as priests to pay tithe to other priests?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Nobody: 5:15pm On Jun 12
OkCornel:


There was a time Paul confronted Peter on preferential treatment of Jewish believers over Gentile believers in Galatians 2 v 11-16;

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2 v 14 suggests there were Jewish believers who still kept the Law, thus leading to Paul emphasizing in verse 16 that a man is not justified by THE WORKS OF THE LAW



Per the bolded, in my opinion... Jewish believers would not have participated in rituals of the Law that had to do with sin offering (sacrificing bulls, pigeons and goats) for the cleansing of their sins or other purification rituals... amongst other things written in the book of Hebrews...




Yup... I'm circumcized... not like I had a choice to start with grin

Although I learnt it's medically advisable to be circumcized than uncircumcized... No one gets circumcized these days just because the Laws of Moses requires it...

very correct. Kudos.

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