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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by alBHAGDADI: 6:57pm On Jun 06
Dencotext:

Well the statistics should tell. From 1990 when I gave my life to Christ newly till 2009, my average monthly earning never exceeded N10,000 at the peak! That is a periodi of twenty years and man I have become old already, passed the age of useful employment.

When I started tithing in 2010, I was giving exactly N800/month and by 2015 when I left Nigeria, I was sowing N35,000/month as tithing. And that was a period of 5 years! By your surmise maybe this was a good coincidence or I have simply become lucky while tithing when I was over 40 years old?! I like this luck then...

Now I am in Europe. Under 5 years I got my Bachelor degree also and now I am doing my Master degree. When I asked GOD why this was happening while tithing, He told me... HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT TITHING IS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE YOU RICH? RATHER IT IS INTENDED TO MAKE YOU BLESSED. I HAVE BLESSED YOU FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY, ACADEMICALLY, HEALTH WISE, AND EVEN MATERIALLY. WITHIN 5 YEARS YOU HAVE ACHIEVED ALL YOUR DREAMS, BOUGHT LAND, RENTED A BIG APARTMENT, GOTTEN A DEGREE, AMASSED WEALTH AND TRAVELLED TO BASE ABROAD IN ITALY.

I said GOD forgive me. I thought it was to get us richer FINANCIALLY only! But now I know you intended to BLESS us and to keep us happy and contented! So I will tell people the truth. Back to you, since you did not believe in BLESSING since tithing did not augur well with you? Do you believe in GOODLUCK at least? Maybe I HAVE simply been Buona Fortuna (in italiano) while tithing so I like losing my money that way to churches and pastors.

I'm so surprised at those who think we tithe so that we can be on Forbes list instead of God's list.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by alBHAGDADI: 7:07pm On Jun 06
Dencotext:
You have heard it written that GOD IS ETERNAL. If He said something in time past (and you know Jesus never said that we should stop tithing) it is relevant for ever. !

This particular portion is what I always echo on this forum and no man born of a woman who claims to be against tithing has been able to counter it.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 7:11pm On Jun 06
OkCornel:


Well spoken, this is a very good mindset.



Per the bolded, let's be clear on what God's definition of tithe is. God loves a cheerful giver, not one who gives under compulsion (as the law demands), but from the heart. Moreso, giving should not be done with a mindset or motive of what one should be expecting back from God...lest we reduce Him to a piggybank or an investment scheme.

Love remains the driving factor as to why we give. Take the words of Jesus for example in Matthew 25 v 31-46.
Another thing to note is the beautiful thing about giving unto the promotion of God's work...the blessings one gets from it can be likened to what Obededom enjoyed for taking care of the ark of the Lord...



But something remained constant between the financial system of then and today. I'm referring to money. God never requested for money as tithes then... how did this change over time? Definitely, certain people changed it to suit their monetary interests...



The land has not disappeared...neither has livestock or crops...Money existed back then, but God precisely requested for crops and livestocks from the farmers in the promised land...

If you do a further research, even agricultural produce outside the land of Israel was not taken as tithe. That shows you tithe was tied only to the livestocks and crops grown in the promised land.





Even laborers, craftsmen e.t.c. whose occupation was outside of farming and livestock rearing had their sweat measured through money...and other assets they've acquired. The question is...were these things (money and other assets outside of crops and livestock) titheable according to the Law?



In summary, giving out of a cheerful heart and not under any compulsion or any requirement from the Law wwhich Christ has already fulfilled should remain the standard...

Perhaps...you are taking freewill giving and tithing as the same thing...


Like I mentioned earlier... I'm not against you giving to help others or giving to promote God's work...

Cheers and Jah bless...
Thanks bro for the understanding. I was refering to a figure in percentage that I believe should be the minimal I should set aside for the work of God. My earlier complaint is how spiritual, figurative and righteous we try to categorize our giving as freewill offerings or tithes. The word tithe used in bible in malachi when it comes to the BLESSING part has nothing to do with a legalistic commandment unless we believe God does not know mathematics. Its the law that governs giving sparingly and bountifully both tithes and offerings combined. Tithe in italian is DECIMA or onetenth. Tithe in hebrew and all languages meant onetenth? I really have to know the total percentage I give in terms of my net income because God is no fool. If i am a billionaire and i give only 0.005% of my net income as tax in Italy, i would be arrested for the for tax evasion. Earthly government used this biblical principle, and things work efficiently here in Italy than Nigeria.

What made you think God is not interested to teach us the mathematics why the work of God is suffering? Therefore truly truly i say unto you, if a non tither is giving 33% of their NET INCOME every month for the work of God, they shall be more blessed relatively in percentage than a tither because God is not partial... that is why I do not call myself a tither because it is not a title to be attained! And what mare you think God does not reward us whether financially or otherwise when we give?
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 8:27pm On Jun 06
Dencotext:
Thanks bro for the understanding. I was refering to a figure in percentage that I believe should be the minimal I should set aside for the work of God. My earlier complaint is how spiritual, figurative and righteous we try to categorize our giving as freewill offerings or tithes. The word tithe used in bible in malachi when it comes to the BLESSING part has nothing to do with a legalistic commandment unless we believe God does not know mathematics. Its the law that governs giving sparingly and bountifully both tithes and offerings combined. Tithe in italian is DECIMA or onetenth. Tithe in hebrew and all languages meant onetenth? I really have to know the total percentage I give in terms of my net income because God is no fool. If i am a billionaire and i give only 0.005% of my net income as tax in Italy, i would be arrested for the for tax evasion. Earthly government used this biblical principle, and things work efficiently here in Italy than Nigeria.

What made you think God is not interested to teach us the mathematics why the work of God is suffering? Therefore truly truly i say unto you, if a non tither is giving 33% of their NET INCOME every month for the work of God, they shall be more blessed relatively in percentage than a tither because God is not partial... that is why I do not call myself a tither because it is not a title to be attained! And what mare you think God does not reward us whether financially or otherwise when we give?


Perhaps the thing we may not eventually agree on is the terminology used here.

The summary of everything is to give out of love...and not necessarily out of fear.

There are fraudulent and manipulative preachers that keeps on preaching non-tithers are under the devourer's curse... whereas the irony of the whole thing is...

1) Israel were the only nation bound by the law... The controversy in the early church and how it was resolved in Acts 15 points clearly to this.

2) Believers in the new covenant are not under the curse of the law...


Anyways...like I mentioned earlier, giving should be done out of love, not fear nor compulsion.


I'm happy with the way our discussion has played out so far... It's been a pleasure.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 10:14pm On Jun 06
OkCornel:


Well spoken, this is a very good mindset.



Per the bolded, let's be clear on what God's definition of tithe is. God loves a cheerful giver, not one who gives under compulsion (as the law demands), but from the heart. Moreso, giving should not be done with a mindset or motive of what one should be expecting back from God...lest we reduce Him to a piggybank or an investment scheme.

Love remains the driving factor as to why we give. Take the words of Jesus for example in Matthew 25 v 31-46.
Another thing to note is the beautiful thing about giving unto the promotion of God's work...the blessings one gets from it can be likened to what Obededom enjoyed for taking care of the ark of the Lord...



But something remained constant between the financial system of then and today. I'm referring to money. God never requested for money as tithes then... how did this change over time? Definitely, certain people changed it to suit their monetary interests...



The land has not disappeared...neither has livestock or crops...Money existed back then, but God precisely requested for crops and livestocks from the farmers in the promised land...

If you do a further research, even agricultural produce outside the land of Israel was not taken as tithe. That shows you tithe was tied only to the livestocks and crops grown in the promised land.





Even laborers, craftsmen e.t.c. whose occupation was outside of farming and livestock rearing had their sweat measured through money...and other assets they've acquired. The question is...were these things (money and other assets outside of crops and livestock) titheable according to the Law?



In summary, giving out of a cheerful heart and not under any compulsion or any requirement from the Law wwhich Christ has already fulfilled should remain the standard...

Perhaps...you are taking freewill giving and tithing as the same thing...


Like I mentioned earlier... I'm not against you giving to help others or giving to promote God's work...

Cheers and Jah bless...
I prayed how to answer you, and I came across this youtube video. Please take a glance at this video...it is a balance between what you are saying and what I am doing. The video expresses my heart 100% although I am seeing it for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDD9CvqMUuU
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 10:36pm On Jun 06
Dencotext:
I prayed how to answer you, and I came across this youtube video. Please take a glance at this video...it is a balance between what you are saying and what I am doing. The video expresses my heart 100% although I am seeing it for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDD9CvqMUuU

I got lost at the part where he said grace as per 2 Corinthians 8 means money...

As per grace is money?

I was also expecting to hear something on 2 Corinthians 9 v 7... But nah... nothing.

See eh... Giving under the new covenant is something to be done from a cheerful heart with no compulsion.

Another thing to note is... there's no way one can claim to love God and his fellow man and yet such a person who is stingy...

That I'm against pastors using manipulative doctrines to extort money from ignorant people under the guise of tithing doesn't mean I encourage stinginess towards man and the things of God...


The more one grows in sincere love for God and man, the more one would be likely to give...as he/she becomes more selfless...

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:26pm On Jun 06
OkCornel:


I got lost at the part where he said grace as per 2 Corinthians 8 means money...

As per grace is money?

I was also expecting to hear something on 2 Corinthians 9 v 7... But nah... nothing.

See eh... Giving under the new covenant is something to be done from a cheerful heart with no compulsion.

Another thing to note is... there's no way one can claim to love God and his fellow man and yet such a person who is stingy...

That I'm against pastors using manipulative doctrines to extort money from ignorant people under the guise of tithing doesn't mean I encourage stinginess towards man and the things of God...


The more one grows in sincere love for God and man, the more one would be likely to give...as he/she becomes more selfless...
Having discussed with you, I realized that all your concerns are based on the fact that may be you are not actively tithing. Your concerns about men of God manipulating others is not valid. It happens everywhere that there are sincere and bad people... in the bible Eli the priest and especially his sons that were very corrupt, were judged by God himself. So you cannot tell me that if a pastor is behaving funny, I should follow suit and becareful and stop obeying God to tithe... if tithing is God's commandment.

I am the most blessed naija pikin today. Right now the Italian police are guiding our residence. I pinch myself sometimes whether I am dreaming. How did I arrive here? I really pity those Christiand who despise or fear to tithe... my life become so easier and better when I started tithing. And let me copy n paste a new guy message on whatsapp that I taught how to tithe... what he wrote to me was... God keeps Blessing me Every week, even tho I want a bigger blessing. But at the beginning of every week I’m always like super broke, but before I run out of cash he finds away of putting more in my pockets to sustain me
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by paxonel(m): 1:05am On Jun 07
Dencotext:

Well the statistics should tell. From 1990 when I gave my life to Christ newly till 2009, my average monthly earning never exceeded N10,000 at the peak! That is a periodi of twenty years and man I have become old already, passed the age of useful employment.

When I started tithing in 2010, I was giving exactly N800/month and by 2015 when I left Nigeria, I was sowing N35,000/month as tithing. And that was a period of 5 years! By your surmise maybe this was a good coincidence or I have simply become lucky while tithing when I was over 40 years old?! I like this luck then...

Now I am in Europe. Under 5 years I got my Bachelor degree also and now I am doing my Master degree. When I asked GOD why this was happening while tithing, He told me... HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT TITHING IS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE YOU RICH? RATHER IT IS INTENDED TO MAKE YOU BLESSED. I HAVE BLESSED YOU FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY, ACADEMICALLY, HEALTH WISE, AND EVEN MATERIALLY. WITHIN 5 YEARS YOU HAVE ACHIEVED ALL YOUR DREAMS, BOUGHT LAND, RENTED A BIG APARTMENT, GOTTEN A DEGREE, AMASSED WEALTH AND TRAVELLED TO BASE ABROAD IN ITALY.

I said GOD forgive me. I thought it was to get us richer FINANCIALLY only! But now I know you intended to BLESS us and to keep us happy and contented! So I will tell people the truth. Back to you, since you did not believe in BLESSING since tithing did not augur well with you? Do you believe in GOODLUCK at least? Maybe I HAVE simply been Buona Fortuna (in italiano) while tithing so I like losing my money that way to churches and pastors.
baba!
Please don't encourage fellow young Nigerians or Africans to be ritualistic in their approach of making money, hard work pays.

As you see me so, i am a product of hard work even though i have not yet fully arrived.
I know where i was four years ago, thank God for my life today, there were times the achievement was not coming faster but other times i did not believe the how fast it was coming. These things are not miracle it happens to everyone.

Infact everyone having legitimate handwork are also making such improvement too it's not miracle, it's just natural that anyone working hard must acheive.

So are Dangote, Otedola and Adenuga who are not known to be tithe payers

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 8:06am On Jun 07
Dencotext:
Having discussed with you, I realized that all your concerns are based on the fact that may be you are not actively tithing. Your concerns about men of God manipulating others is not valid. It happens everywhere that there are sincere and bad people... in the bible Eli the priest and especially his sons that were very corrupt, were judged by God himself. So you cannot tell me that if a pastor is behaving funny, I should follow suit and becareful and stop obeying God to tithe... if tithing is God's commandment.

I am the most blessed naija pikin today. Right now the Italian police are guiding our residence. I pinch myself sometimes whether I am dreaming. How did I arrive here? I really pity those Christiand who despise or fear to tithe... my life become so easier and better when I started tithing. And let me copy n paste a new guy message on whatsapp that I taught how to tithe... what he wrote to me was... God keeps Blessing me Every week, even tho I want a bigger blessing. But at the beginning of every week I’m always like super broke, but before I run out of cash he finds away of putting more in my pockets to sustain me

1. I am not tithing because it is not required of me to tithe. Freewill giving is the prerogative for believers in the new covenant. How you choose to go about it (especially by being led of the spirit) is a personal choice.

2. I give, not necessarily because I expect a favor from God in return. I just do it and move on. Whatever happens thereafter is between me and God. There are countless testimonies of God's goodness and blessings in good times and tough times in my life...and guess what? It has nothing to do with my "tithing" status..

3. Of course, my concerns about manipulative doctrines preached by mammon loving "god of men" is very valid. There are fraudulent elements in the church that are ready to twist the scriptures to extort money from ignorant people. Such lies must be stopped in the church. Ravenous wolves moving around to exploit the sheep...

4. Please I'd like to know who exactly God commanded to tithe. Were non-Jews also commanded?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 8:46am On Jun 07
Dencotext:

You have heard it written that GOD IS ETERNAL. If He said something in time past (and you know Jesus never said that we should stop tithing) it is relevant for ever.

alBHAGDADI:


This particular portion is what I always echo on this forum and no man born of a woman who claims to be against tithing has been able to counter it.


I'm very glad both of you agreed to this. Now @Dencotext, pay attention to the part where you said if God said something in the past, it is relevant forever.


Remember when God gave the instruction on tithing, it was on livestock and crops from the promised land. Please how did this now change to money? Who changed it?

Remember that post where I mentioned how God specifically required money be raised for the needs of temple by levying every Israelite male half a shekel every year?

Since God's word does not change and is relevant forever... who changed God's requirement on tithing from crops and livestocks into money?

Also pay special attention to what Jesus said concerning tithing in Matthew 23 v 23; a tithe of dill, mint and cummin (which are crops)... please how did these change into monetary tithing today? Was it God that changed it?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 2:04pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:





I'm very glad both of you agreed to this. Now @Dencotext, pay attention to the part where you said if God said something in the past, it is relevant forever.


Remember when God gave the instruction on tithing, it was on livestock and crops from the promised land. Please how did this now change to money? Who changed it?

Remember that post where I mentioned how God specifically required money be raised for the needs of temple by levying every Israelite male half a shekel every year?

Since God's word does not change and is relevant forever... who changed God's requirement on tithing from crops and livestocks into money?

Also pay special attention to what Jesus said concerning tithing in Matthew 23 v 23; a tithe of dill, mint and cummin (which are crops)... please how did these change into monetary tithing today? Was it God that changed it?
You started well but gradually have resulted to discredit me, because you are not paying attention or learning from our discussion. I have mentioned to you that I am not a tither but you keep repeating questions about old testament tithing to me so I cannot answer that till I am sure you understand my point of view.

My opening statement in this forum was....

Hello House,
I have discovered some fundamental truths about tithing and firstfruits. These are the only two forms of giving that the lord declares to be holy unto Him. Tithing or one-tenth is the divine QUANTITATIVE standard, while firstfruits is the divine QUALITATIVE standard how our gifts presented to HONOR God should be.


I am not talking about old testament tithing in this forum, I am talking about a QUANTITY standard. I am simply being precise and mathematical in my application. Old testament form of giving is not applicable today and moreover every child of God in Christ today is not under the law, so why do you keep using words like ritualistic commandment when a child of God decides out of His own freewill mind to give MORE than the barest minimal of onetenth of their net income for God's work. What made it so "tithy" here when you yourself said money is not tithe?

And another problem I found with you is that here I am talking about measurement... you very well know the bible stated that the measure you measure shall be measured back to you I wonder whether you know that in mathematics... that is a numerator being divided by a denominator? I am talking about QUANTITATIVE giving stating that if you give 10% which is simply called ONETENTH or DECIMA (i will stop using the word tithe, because you have stopped seeing when bible refers to onetenth), I am not talking about old testament giving methods here. Even the old testament sometimes refer to that figure in mathematics directly in some portion like Malachi 3:10, which I explained to you includes our offerings and tithings that we rob God of, or else why is the word offering not used here again when it comes to the blessing part? Because there is only one word for onetenth and that is the word TITHE. If I am talking about 20% in Italian, I would be calling it VENTESIMA, but here I am talking about measurement against measurement DECIMA that we can find a leverage to know how to avoid giving sparingly. That quantity was not used in Bible by accident, because it has a great significance or lessons attached to it. I mentioned how the Italian goverment would arrest a billionaire who gives 0.005% as tax, because here we pay tax up to 27% or more. So God is being meaningless or ritualistic to us when He used 10% as gauge to bless us?

Please the tithe I am talking about here is simply onetenth that is a substitute name for onetenth or decima and please giving in the new testament is always freewill whether we give bull, ram, goat or our money. I am getting confused by the many distinctions you are making here. Believers in Christ are not under the law, so whatever we give for Christ cannot be termed ritualistic. Moreover Christ is the end of the LAW Himself.

And here we stand....
1. I am conducting an experiment, I am researching and giving physical facts based on our experiences.... you have not really give any physical data or measurement we can rely on. Is that the lifestyle of those who call themselves non tithers?
2. I measure precisely what I give out for Christ sake. I made sure I give above the barest minimal I deemed bountiful and not sparingly. I am therefore able to observe my growth and the volume of my giving continually relative to what I am receiving till it becomes frightening amount. You have obscured facts with knowledge by saying you give, refusing to state at least in percentage what you give, claiming that you do not know whether God blesses you or not... Of course why would you know, when you do not keep data or think God is mathematical enough to tell us the pitfall of giving sparingly?
3. Zeal is good, but when you start criticizing those that are actively doing something beneficial for God that you are not doing, how can you comprehend what they are telling you out of experience?

And finally tou called me BABA, thank you for that, you have been so full of knowledge, so before you raise this kind of argument with me again, please I want us to stop being zealous and be honest and transparent. Make available in terms of data collected over at least a year period in terms of your giving, I am curious to pinpoint whether you are giving sparingly or bountiful, and see how it compares to the blessings of increment. And please stop using the words non tithers and tithers here... i feel it is derogative to me especially when i told you i am not a tither because it is not a title. I am only ensuring and keep finding ways to give the right QUANTITY and QUALITY to God as much as possible.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 2:38pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
You started well but gradually have resulted to discredit me, because you are not paying attention or learning from our discussion. I have mentioned to you that I am not a tither but you keep repeating questions about old testament tithing to me so I cannot answer that till I am sure you understand my point of view.


My sincere apologies sir. In no way did I intend discrediting you...

Please where does new testament tithing (if there's anything like that) change tithing from agro-produce to money?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 2:47pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:


And finally tou called me BABA, thank you for that, you have been so full of knowledge, so before you raise this kind of argument with me again, please I want us to stop being zealous and be honest and transparent.

Sir, please where did I call you "BABA"? Kindly point that out...

Dencotext:

Make available in terms of data collected over at least a year period in terms of your giving, I am curious to pinpoint whether you are giving sparingly or bountiful, and see how it compares to the blessings of increment. And please stop using the words non tithers and tithers here... i feel it is derogative to me especially when i told you i am not a tither because it is not a title. I am only ensuring and keep finding ways to give the right QUANTITY and QUALITY to God as much as possible.

Per the bolded part, I would have indulged you...but I hope you did not miss that part where I said my giving and how I go about it is between me and God...

Besides, what do you make of these words of Jesus in Matthew 6 v 2-4?

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.



These are not my words...but the words of Jesus...what do you think of it?
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 2:53pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
Zeal is good, but when you start criticizing those that are actively doing something beneficial for God that you are not doing, how can you comprehend what they are telling you out of experience?

It appears you never understood me even with all my posts on this thread. I do not have anything against givers. I am against those who manipulate the scriptures out of context to extort money from ignorant people under the guise of tithing...

I hope you recall where I said I have nothing against those who give unto the promotion of God's work or to help their fellow man...

But when this giving is done under compulsion, or fear or "what is in it for me"... then that is where the major issues lie...


Hope you understand my stance now...
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:06pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
Even the old testament sometimes refer to that figure in mathematics directly in some portion like Malachi 3:10, which I explained to you includes our offerings and tithings that we rob God of, or else why is the word offering not used here again when it comes to the blessing part? Because there is only one word for onetenth and that is the word TITHE. If I am talking about 20% in Italian, I would be calling it VENTESIMA, but here I am talking about measurement against measurement DECIMA that we can find a leverage to know how to avoid giving sparingly. That quantity was not used in Bible by accident, because it has a great significance or lessons attached to it. I mentioned how the Italian goverment would arrest a billionaire who gives 0.005% as tax, because here we pay tax up to 27% or more. So God is being meaningless or ritualistic to us when He used 10% as gauge to bless us?

Bro... calm down. This 10% stuff, which set of people did God use 10% as a gauge to bless? The Judaizers or the Christians?
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:09pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Sir, please where did I call you "BABA"? Kindly point that out...



Per the bolded part, I would have indulged you...but I hope you did not miss that part where I said my giving and how I go about it is between me and God...

Besides, what do you make of these words of Jesus in Matthew 6 v 2-4?

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.



These are not my words...but the words of Jesus...what do you think of it?
We are not talking about your giving, but we want the percentage of what you give to be made known for analysis. This does not mention anything you give openly. So the Bible portion you quoted here is not applicable at all but rather only serves to obscure your giving methods. We believers are not learning when you do not reveal your methods. And in academics, by refusing to show your own experiments and reports, merely quoting other sources only (like BIBLE), would be deemed as plagiarism. At the end of the day, you are not validating your methods.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:17pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Bro... calm down. This 10% stuff, which set of people did God use 10% as a gauge to bless? The Judaizers or the Christians?
Since you speak good English, what percentage of your giving can you call sparingly? Please you have not been mathematical for once... please let me know what amounts to sparingly? And for Christ sake stop hiding under words or bible quotations... please answer me. shocked
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:19pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
We are not talking about your giving, but we want the percentage of what you give to be made known for analysis. This does not mention anything you give openly. So the Bible portion you quoted here is not applicable at all but rather only serves to obscure your giving methods. We believers are not learning when you do not reveal your methods. And in academics, by refusing to show your own experiments and reports, merely quoting other sources only (like BIBLE), would be deemed as plagiarism. At the end of the day, you are not validating your methods.

Bros, I give as the Spirit leads me. No specific methods or proportions from...

Unless you have something against how the Spirit leads me. It could be entire allowance (100%) at a moment in certain cases...

Satisfied now?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:20pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
Since you speak good English, what percentage of your giving can you call sparingly? Please you have not been mathematical for once... please let me know what amounts to sparingly? And for Christ sake stop hiding under words or bible quotations... please answer me. shocked

Check my previous post... I give as led by the Spirit.

Unless you want to argue that giving as led by the Spirit is constricted to certain formulas, percentages and rules...

Do you now have answers to my questions?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:23pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Check my previous post... I give as led by the Spirit.

Unless you want to argue that giving as led by the Spirit is constricted to certain formulas, percentages and rules...

Do you now have answers to my questions?
You have contradicted the same Bble you are quoting here. Sparingly and Bountifully are percentage that shows how God rewards us. The Spirit of God does not contradict the WORD of God.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:24pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
You have contradicted the same Bble you are quoting here. Sparingly and Bountifully are percentage that shows how God rewards us. The Spirit of God does not contradict the WORD of God.

Meaning if the Spirit leads me to give my entire allowance to an orphanage for example, I have contradicted the word of God?

Please explain clearly how I have disobeyed the leading of the Spirit...

Can you also show us where the Scriptures mention that believers in the new covenant must give a certain percentage before it qualifies as sparingly or bountifully?

Is giving as led by the Spirit of God tied to certain percentages, formulas and rules?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:26pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Bros, I give as the Spirit leads me. No specific methods or proportions from...

Unless you have something against how the Spirit leads me. It could be entire allowance (100%) at a moment in certain cases...

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The Spirit of God does not go against the word of God. If you give sparingly you will surely reap sparingly my brother. Be very careful with this kind of attitude of I can do whatever I want in the name of the Spirit led me.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:28pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
The Spirit of God does not go against the word of God. If you give sparingly you will surely sparingly my brother. Be very careful with this kind of attitude of I can do whatever I want in the name of the Spirit led me.

And I told you I give according to the leading of the Spirit...or do you now know better than the Spirit of God?

Please show us where believers in the new covenant were told to adhere to a certain percentage threshold of giving before such qualifies as sparingly or bountifully...

I am eagerly awaiting your response. Thanks !

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:29pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Meaning if the Spirit leads me to give my entire allowance to an orphanage for example, I have contradicted the word of God?

Please explain clearly how I have disobeyed the leading of the Spirit...

Can you also show us where the Scriptures mention that believers in the new covenant must give a certain percentage before it qualifies as sparingly or bountifully?

Is giving as led by the Spirit of God tied to certain percentages, formulas and rules?
I have answered all your questions, you were to answer me now... what is SPARINGLY?
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:30pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
The Spirit of God does not go against the word of God. If you give sparingly you will surely reap sparingly my brother. Be very careful with this kind of attitude of I can do whatever I want in the name of the Spirit led me.

Per the bolded, are you saying I should ignore the leading of the Spirit?

I'm quite sure it's your type that would have also criticized Prophet Hosea for marrying a prostitute...


Bros... A man led by the Spirit of God is not under the Law. Study the letters of Paul carefully...

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:35pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


And I told you I give according to the leading of the Spirit...or do you now know better than the Spirit of God?

Please show us where believers in the new covenant were told to adhere to a certain percentage threshold of giving before such qualifies as sparingly or bountifully...

I am eagerly awaiting your response. Thanks !
I am just ending this blind argument in the name of the Spirit led me. If you cannot tell me what is sparingly, then do not argue with my own definition of sparingly. It is below 10%. And the word sparingly or bountifully is a percentage that states the more you give in terms of percent, not in terms of amount, the more the Lord blesses you in terms of percent.

And who is keeping the law here? Giving is not enforced in the new testament. Do as you wish but for Christ sake do not argue against this percentage thing of giving sparingly or bountifully.
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:37pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
The Spirit of God does not go against the word of God. If you give sparingly you will surely reap sparingly my brother. Be very careful with this kind of attitude of I can do whatever I want in the name of the Spirit led me.

Per the bolded, are you saying I should ignore the leading of the Spirit?

I'm quite sure it's your type that would have also criticized Prophet Hosea for marrying a prostitute...


Bros... A man led by the Spirit of God is not under the Law. Study the letters of Paul carefully on what he said concerning matters of the Spirit and the Law...

The Spirit of God can never be wrong, and the passage of time would always prove that actions taken by the leading of the Spirit is eventually correct...

Do you now have answers to my questions or do you want to be evasive?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:38pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Per the bolded, are you saying I should ignore the leading of the Spirit?

I'm quite sure it's your type that would have also criticized Prophet Hosea for marrying a prostitute...


Bros... A man led by the Spirit of God is not under the Law. Study the letters of Paul carefully...
Please kindly mind your language
Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:39pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
I am just ending this blind argument in the name of the Spirit led me. If you cannot tell me what is sparingly, then do not argue with my own definition of sparingly. It is below 10%.

Please can you use the scriptures to demonstrate where giving below 10% is defined as sparingly? Especially as it concerns believers in the new covenant...


Besides... do you have anything against someone being led by the Spirit? This is getting interesting cheesy

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:39pm On Jun 07
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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:41pm On Jun 07
Dencotext:
Please kindly mind your language

And what is wrong with what I've said?

If Hosea told you the Spirit of the Lord led him to marry a prostitute... be honest, what would be your reaction as an observer of the Law?



Let me spare you the back and forth... If I were the one, perhaps I would start questioning Hosea's sanity...but guess what, the passage of time vindicated Hosea's actions as he was led by the spirit of the Lord...


Dencotext...do you have answers to my questions? OR do you want me to repeat them?

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Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:45pm On Jun 07
OkCornel:


Please can you use the scriptures to demonstrate where giving below 10% is defined as sparingly? Especially as it concerns believers in the new covenant...


Besides... do you have anything against someone being led by the Spirit? This is getting interesting cheesy

You ask questions with question, I will tell you only when you tell me what you know about SPARINGLY, I did not ask whether you are being led or not.

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