gadogado:

The point Im making is, collectively as a group, Africans constitute the least intelligent people on the globe. In contrast, Africans are some of the best athletes in the world. There are obviously going to be exceptions to the rule (putting a Nigerian student in a class with Japs and Brits) but this does not in anyway negate the fact that we are naturally disorganized which in my opinion is a component of lack of intelligence. We also lack other components of intelligence such as foresight.

Nigeria started at the same level with Asian countries, as far as economic indicators but because they're more intelligent, they have grown to supersede. Look, the examples of Africas lack of brain power is evident, you see it daily. So why deny it?

Nigeria did not start at the same level as Asian countries, they started like Yugoslavia, where is Yugoslavia today? Most Asian countries were not colonised, and if the were, like Korea, it was from a culture that is similar to them, you cannot tell me after slavery, colonisation and then manipulation, that Nigeria started at the same level, take your one sided reasoning to dedicated websites (there are many).

gadogado:

Why is it so hard for Africans to accept that they simple arent as intelligent as other races? You have continuously proven that to be the case both in what you're able to do, build and produce and also IQ tests clearly suggest that the sub saharan African is the least intelligent being on earth.
I say accept the bitter truth and begin looking for ways to make yourself more intelligent and hence more competitive rather that being emotional and defensive!

You are so wrong about this. We know for a fact that Africans are just as intelligent and equally as dumb as other races. The only conclusion I can come to with regards to lagging behind over the years is down to environment. Let me ask you a question, ' why is it that while the Europeans were still colonising parts of Africa, liberated slaves and other African sons who had early contact Europeans were already getting degrees in European and American universities? These were individuals who only 20 years previously were walking around naked in the African sun.

gadogado:

Sure, you can teach an African something and he'll be good at it, you can train an animal in something and it'll be good at it but the question is, was the african able to teach himself? thats the question, coming up with your own stuff that reeks of intellectual ability like inventing a car for example. SO far, on this whole thread, people have been able to come up with bronze casting as peak african invention and they have latched to the glory of egypt. Now bring you bronze cast anyday and share a display table of inventions with a European, I'd assume you'd come out thoroughly embarrassed.

One of the main advantages of being human is a high level of reasoning, you don't display that, so who is the animal? Don't worry what the African is teaching and not teaching themselves, worry about lowering the suicide rates in 'genius' countries, and also getting them happy and contented.

Africa can claim and hang on to Egypt all they like, it IS them, no one else created it but African's, anybody who doesn't like it should strictly read Western books from the 18th century and back. . . . . . (until the 14th century, or else you will be even more depressed. STAY AWAY FROM ANCIENT GREEK LITERATURE! ). Bring on the inventions, come and embarrass, don't threaten.

Katsumoto:

You are so wrong about this. We know for a fact that Africans are just as intelligent and equally as dumb as other races. The only conclusion I can come to with regards to lagging behind over the years is down to environment. Let me ask you a question, ' why is it that while the Europeans were still colonising parts of Africa, liberated slaves and other African sons who had early contact Europeans were already getting degrees in European and American universities? These were individuals who only 20 years previously were walking around unclothed in the African sun.

I agree

environment was probably the biggest factor. Even Europeans used to be like savages before

ezeagu:

Nigeria did not start at the same level as Asian countries, they started like Yugoslavia, where is Yugoslavia today? Most Asian countries were not colonised, and if the were, like Korea, it was from a culture that is similar to them, you cannot tell me after slavery, colonisation and then manipulation, that Nigeria started at the same level, take your one sided reasoning to dedicated websites (there are many).

Nigeria started with malaysia and singapore, where is malaysia today or even indonesia? how about countries like thailand? where were they in 1960, they were at the same level as most African countries in terms of socio-political and economic development, where are they today

sage:

I agree

environment was probably the biggest factor. Even Europeans used to be like savages before

So what you're actually saying is environment is what makes africans less intelligent not some sort of natural inclination to being dumb right?

gadogado:

The point Im making is, collectively as a group, Africans constitute the least intelligent people on the globe. In contrast, Africans are some of the best athletes in the world. There are obviously going to be exceptions to the rule (putting a Nigerian student in a class with Japs and Brits) but this does not in anyway negate the fact that we are naturally disorganized which in my opinion is a component of lack of intelligence. We also lack other components of intelligence such as foresight.

Nigeria started at the same level with Asian countries, as far as economic indicators but because they're more intelligent, they have grown to supersede. Look, the examples of Africas lack of brain power is evident, you see it daily. So why deny it?

Having a sense of organization and intelligence are two different things. I agree we lack the first as seen in the Africa's development today.

gadogado is not just articulating his point the way you guys want. he's been very blunt with it.

the issue is not about being taught in a class consisting brits and asians, it is about teaching and understanding it yourself.
don't forget, even countries like bulgaria, poland teach and understand medicine using their own languages.

gadogado:

Nigeria started with malaysia and singapore, where is malaysia today or even indonesia? how about countries like thailand? where were they in 1960, they were at the same level as most African countries in terms of socio-political and economic development, where are they today

So your answer to all this is intelligence? So what "European mixture" do the people of Equatorial Guinea, whose economy has a much higher income than Indonesia and Malaysia, have?

The collapsed of the first republic, where there were real politics of ideology is still the problem with our nation till date, where we now have politics of "moneyology".

black africans can match 99.9999% of europeans when it comes to inteligence. or academic excellence.
but, they have that 0.000% among them who are geniuses and capable of what we can't do. at least, now.

ezeagu:

So your answer to all this is intelligence? So what "European mixture" do the people of Equatorial Guinea, whose economy has a much higher income than Indonesia and Malaysia, have?

please get out of here, mr man.

we are talking about human development index, you are reffering to a country' s oil-based gdp.
abeg.

gadogado:

So what you're actually saying is environment is what makes africans less intelligent not some sort of natural inclination to being dumb right?

well as much as it made Europeans less inteligent during their own time.

Societies evolve. The European one did over time due to various factors. There was a time that Asia and the middle East were more advanced and Europe was a backward place.

It didnt mean Europeans were less intelligent then

When Europe was backwards and behind everyother place including Asia, Middle East and North Africa

Where Europeans less intelligent than all those people?

gadogado:

So what you're actually saying is environment is what makes africans less intelligent not some sort of natural inclination to being dumb right?

I don't think you know the meaning of intelligence. Africans are doing just as well as Americans and Europeans in Western societies despite all the issues that Africans face. There are Africans doing well in alien societies even when they face immigration, financial, etc issues. We know that many Africans are not doing as well as wealthy Westerners in western societies because of restrictions, glass ceilings and other unspoken protectionist norms. There are Africans in every facet of life in the Western society.

There are many reasons why Africans are not as wealthy as Westerners in western societies, if the basis of your argument is wealth.

I know that this thread has legs. I have fought the good fight in this thread, and I shall return.

This is not over.

ola olabiy:

black africans can match 99.9999% of europeans when it comes to inteligence. or academic excellence.
but, they have that 0.000% among them who are geniuses and capable of what we can't do. at least, now.

Yours is one silly and daft post.

One word for this thread now: FAIL!

ezeagu:

One word for this thread now: FAIL!

Gbam!

@gadogado and Ola

Im waiting for an answer

ezeagu:

One word for this thread now: FAIL!

The thread was bound to be a fail from the start

ezeagu:

So your answer to all this is intelligence? So what "European mixture" do the people of Equatorial Guinea, whose economy has a much higher income than Indonesia and Malaysia, have?

Go to malabo (the capital of EG) and compare their level of infrastructural development with Kuala Lampur or Singapore or Bangkok or Jakarta or even "i dare to say" Burma. The difference will be stark clear. When I talk about economic development im referring to "WHATS ON GROUND" not meaningless arithmetic (dividing national GDP by population to get per capita GDP) thats useless, it means nothing, go to EG and the slums you'll see will blow your mind!! Whats on ground?? how diverse and sophisticated are their markets and economy as a whole?? how about their infrastructure?? is it adequate? how about human services like education and health facilities?? what is the general standard of living for its citizens? It has about 700,000 population wise, compare that to countries with small populations like Bahrain and Oman then compare their standards.

bgees:

Yours is one silly and daft post.

I.diot
why not tell me what your lineage has invented?
or let me know wht you have done in your miserable life.
olodo.
you picture of 'good life' is even based on the whiteman's.

gadogado:

Go to malabo (the capital of EG) and compare their level of infrastructural development with Kuala Lampur or Singapore or Bangkok or Jakarta or even "i dare to say" Burma. The difference will be stark clear. When I talk about economic development im referring to "WHATS ON GROUND" not meaningless arithmetic (dividing national GDP by population to get per capita GDP) thats useless, it means nothing, go to EG and the slums you'll see will blow your mind!! Whats on ground?? how diverse and sophisticated are their markets and economy as a whole?? how about their infrastructure?? is it adequate? how about human services like education and health facilities?? what is the general standard of living for its citizens? It has about 700,000 population wise, compare that to countries with small populations like Bahrain and Oman then compare their standards.

he doesn't know that per capita income is an outdated means of calculating living standard.

bgees:

Yours is one silly and daft post.

ola olabiy:

!
why not tell me what your lineage has invented?
or let me know wht you have done in your miserable life.
olodo.
you picture of 'good life' is even based on the whiteman's.

Guys, this has been an intelligent debate so far; there is no need for insults.
Bgees, instead of stating that his post was daft, you should have just said why.

Those who have run out of things to say are claiming the thread/post is dead. Of course, you'll say that when you have been thoroughly thrashed and proven wrong!! The fact is, just accept your deficiencies and learn how to defeat them. Someone said the lack of protein in the African diet "historically" is responsible for the lack of intelligent. So I advise you to start consuming as much protein as possible.

gadogado:

Those who have run out of things to say are claiming the thread/post is dead. Of course, you'll say that when you have been thoroughly thrashed and proven wrong!! The fact is, just accept your deficiencies and learn how to defeat them. Someone said the lack of protein in the African diet "historically" is responsible for the lack of intelligent. So I advise you to start consuming as much protein as possible.

You are doding questions put to you; instead you are implicitly claiming victory.

Katsumoto:

Guys, this has been an intelligent debate so far; there is no need for insults.
Bgees, instead of stating that his post was daft, you should have just said why.

i wouldn't know why he called it daft. may be there is an isaac newton in his family.

ola olabiy:

I.diot
why not tell me what your lineage has invented?
or let me know wht you have done in your miserable life.
olodo.
you picture of 'good life' is even based on the whiteman's.

Sorry man, I didn't read your post clearly. I thought u meant Africans 'can't' match

ola olabiy:

black africans can match 99.9999% of europeans when it comes to inteligence. or academic excellence.  
but, they have that 0.000% among them who are geniuses and capable of what we can't do. at least, now.

sage:

When Europe was backwards and behind everyother place including Asia, Middle East and North Africa

Where Europeans less intelligent than all those people?

do you now accept the fact that we are backward and behind europeans?
if yes, then this, really, has been the bone of contention on this thread.
issue resolved!

ola olabiy:

do you now accept the fact that we are backward and behind europeans?
if yes, then this, really, has been the bone of contention on this thread.
issue resolved!

You didnt answer the question

When Europeans were backwards and behind Asia, the Middle East and North Africa, where they inherently less intelligent than people from those places?

bgees:

Sorry man, I didn't read your post clearly. I thought u meant Africans 'can't' match

ok bro. i can't demean myself like that now. interactions with brits have revealed to me that most are not even educated.
we are all friends and we are gaining enormously from one another by engaging in intellectual discourses like this.
we should try to avoid personal confrontations.
you are welcome.