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@ tommyex, consider changing ur signature . . . the wingless fowls have had their eyes blinded by the bright glare of the stars.

Sorry for going offtopic.

hotfunmi:
Abegi! girls are potty trained and do not ever pee in the pool. We are not filthy.

that's true . . . considering the number of threads decrying women and the smelly prisons between their legs i'm bound to agree that women are not filthy.

Rebellious:
@4Him and iBoy,

I don't know but I should ask you, after you both are boys and should know why the boys your IQ do stupid stuff like that.

Anyone with a good grasp of French?

hotfunmi:
One thing is calling 911 and another is proving the gas came from his butt.

you could have done that with a fartalizer.

hotfunmi:
Question,
Why do guys always always pee inside the swim pool?

why are you always meeting dysfunctional men?

Rebellious:
I have a high taste in guys if I might say so myself. . .the guys whom I speak of are "friends" which I meet at gatherings, outings and shit like that. White, Black and Asian guys alike. If they don't fart, they burp fuckin' loud like mannerless kids.

maybe they are just being rebellious who knows.

with a name like hotfunmi . . . i'm not surprised you were hooked to someone giving u hot public farts. You simply asked for it.

Tayo-D:
And let me add that before you consult that person, please do this study yourself lest someone feeds you with their own doctrines based on prejudice.

You bet i will be giving this a close scrutiny myself before i speak on it ever again.

I dont hate Oyedepo like you rightly pointed out, i used to attend that church when i had the chance back home . . . sometimes i just think that there are some things that are not biblically sound that we all tend to swallow simply because "Daddy GO" said it without studying it ourselves. That being said, i simply took the part that was a blessing to me and left the rest out.

The church is not 100% perfect . . . God is going to perfect us at His appointed time but here a little there a little until the whole leaven is lumped. The enemy is going to sow tares at this end time . . . and sadly our churches are churning out "christians" who remain faithful only as long as their bank balance is in the positive.

hotfunmi:
Question:
Why do most men go to any lenght even if it means losing all they worked for because they want a piece of kitten? Even dumb animals won't take such risks for sex.

only desperate men take risks for sex . . . there's always an easy lay around the corner if u only ask.

Daddy Tayo-D, i am digesting your last post . . . you do have a point i must concede. 

I will put this question to someone more knowledgeable than myself and get back to you very soon.
Thanks for the insight.

hotfunmi:
Where did you see that cleaning belongs to women in the bible or koran or whatever doggone religion you practice? Cleaning and house management is 50/50 between the couples as long as they are both working.

good . . . then u agree that the bills are split 50/50 even if you are a stay-at-home mother. At least when you divorce u always claim that as a "job" too.

hotfunmi:
Secondly, if you can't aim straight, sit down on the toilet and piss.

dont be jealous because you cant aim straight . . . its not our fault.

hotfunmi:
Thirdly, instead of farting loudly in public, why not go to the side and do it?

farting in public? who would have thought that women did such a bad thing?

hotfunmi:
Question:
Why do men hardly clean up after them, piss on the toilet seat and fart in the public?

Our mothers did that job . .  of course we expect our wives to continue from where she stopped. QED

Tayo-D:
My guy, this passage's reference to seed is clearly taking about money, kudi, owo, cash, ego, mammon or whatever you choose to call it. Besides, didn't jesus say until you understand the parable of the sower you could never grasp anything of God's word?

not exactly so. That is what we were taught growing up . . . it is a fundamental principle that we do "sow" in terms of money when we give our tithes and offerings but not in the way that the WOFM preaches it. Cain gave a "seed offering" too, why was it rejected?

The bible does not teach that the way to recieve financial blessing is by giving "seed offerings" . . .
We are not told anywhere that apostles were blessed based on the size of their "seed offerings".

Your translation seeks to obliterate the entire purpose of Paul's message in 2 Cor 9 . . . look at verse 11 for instance . . . the KJV said nothing about making you rich in terms of money . . . it talks about being "enriched to all bountifulness" . . . it can be spiritual or physical whereas your new translation paints a completely one-sided, "it must be talking about money" view.

Gal 6: 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

How do you sow kudi to the spirit?

If you read parts of the Acts of the apostles . . . several brethren "sowed" to the ministry in their "service" (a large part of sowing that is relegated to the background in favour of greed), some sowed by giving their houses as places for fellowship to the brethren . . . Dorcas made dresses for the sisters . . . she probably didnt have plenty of money but that she had she "sowed" from a willing heart and without necessity to the comfort of the brethren.

While you are answering that . . . lets look at the scriptures a little more closely.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Look at the two phrases in highlights . . . the bible says to GIVE according as YOU PURPOSE IN YOUR HEART . . . not according to the next seed offering your pastor demands. . .

It says again NOT OUT OF NECESSITY . . . when you give SIMPLY because you are expecting to reap "financial reward" you defeat the purpose of giving as explained in verse 7.

12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

what were the "wants of the saints"? A school for the rich and political elite?

13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;

That verse makes me smile. Just a wonder you quoted it and highlighted the very same phrase that struck me.
While the apostles in the book of acts brought their goods, sold it and distributed to the needy . . . ur own spiritual men of Gawd are busy amassing from the poor and giving only to themselves. Excellent quote!

good point uncle Tayo . . . my next question . . . what did that verse mean by "fruits of righteousness"?

It is not just enough to quote a verse that contains the words "seeds", "sow" and then think that you can twist it in the same fashion that the WOFM does.

Rebellious:
Funny enough, it's the same way we lie when we tell y'all that you are handsome or our first or we reached orgasm.

no problemo . . . most guys are not really interested in whether you reached orgasm or not so long as they got there.

hotfunmi:
You've not answered my question on why men sleep with their housemaids and you don't believe we are queen? won't that make men a liar when they are the ones that tell us so while they were hitting on us? We are not self acclaimed queens, you know, guys made us believe so.

1. Men hit on you not because you are queens but because of the prize between your legs.

2. Guys will tell you anything, lie that you are a queen if it is all that is required to get that prize.

QED

is the above altercation not one more reason men dont like to get married?

Tayo-D:
As to the guy in question, I think it is wrong for you to labour in church with the aim that you must benefit from what yuo did. The only time the Bible expects anyone to expect a fianancial reward from the church is if that person is involved in preaching the word in the church. To others, what you have provided must be considered as a seed, and a seed dies to the person who sows it. The harvest is between you and God who is able to resurrest that seed and give it a body according to the person's faith. I've sown a lot into my church, both back in naija and here, but my financial blessings have never come from the Church, but from other means; even though I know those blessings are linked to what I did in church.

This concept of financial seed sowing . . . please where is it in your bible?
I am tired of extra-biblical twaddle. The sheeple have been decieved for too long.

There are millions of rich men who have never been near a church before . . . what seed did they sow?
There are christians who have been "sowing seeds" for centuries and yet will die poor . . . what is wrong with their "harvest"?

A_K_O:
If you abide in His words and His words abide in you, you will know for instance that polygamy is not His will.

Better put, ask what you will in line with His word, since that is the prerequisite.

What if i asked for $1m? How do i know that it is in line with His word?
Pls i dont know the answer to it, i am trying to learn too. Seriously.

Tayo-D:
@4HIM,
So now you are liking them to the Pharisees? Your grouse before was that they do not take care of the poor. Now that you cannot prove that to be true, you resort to another means. You just must have something to condemn. Do us a favour, kindly highlight what Jesus condemned in the Pharisees and how it applies to these people.

I will ask one thing . . . if you don't understand my point please ask me to explain. Do not twist it to mean something else simply because you want a leg to stand on.
In no way do i liken these men to the pharisees . . . i only used that example to draw a point that giving to the poor is not necessarily godliness as the pharisees did so faithfully and yet Christ condemned them.

My grouse is not that these people do not give to the poor . . . i am perplexed by the fact that you cannot line up today's church with the attitude, zeal and character of the early church led by the apostles.

One most important attribute of the pharisees that is common today is the outward show of religious fervour. Thanks to the WOFM, we have learnt to speak christianese and yet there is no inner conviction, our inner man is not regenerated. We have the largest group of church-goers in the world and YET we are so corrupt and so poor.
Is it that God is not listening to all our fervent prayers?

Tayo-D:
These kids are effectively being turned to disciples through that institution. They receive spiritual, physical and social skills under the same umbrella. I know this has changed the life of someone I know personally, and if it is only for his sake that CU is built, it is worth it. How much is CU worth compared to the human soul?!

puhlease uncle Tayo . . . your friend is lucky, his father has N300,000 per yr to spend on obtaining "spiritual" skills. What about the majority of the poor or those middle class families with 5 children who cannot afford it?
When did salvation become for the rich only?

Tayo-D:
Firstly, you are not pointing out anything, but condemning people. Paul corrected Peter and not condemn him. Secondly, your argument as far as I can see lacks any basis, scriptural or otherwise. As Christians, we are to influence every aspect of our social life including academia.

The problem is you have a mindset that will not see anything. It is not perchance that Christ said seeing they will see and not percieve. I notice that you and Joshjosh have spent the better part of the time arguing PURELY from a position of sentiments and emotions . . . i don't see you point anything out scripturally.

I have not condemned this men, i have only compared their lives with those examples of ours in the scriptures and found them wanting.

You say "as christians we are to influence every aspect of our social life including academia" . . . sir WHERE again did you see that in your bible? why didnt Christ set up a School of the Holy Ghost to influence his own generation?
Where is Apostle Peter's Apostolic University?

Tayo-D:
I told you to go find out how this man began, and know his testimony. Maybe you will have a rethink if you know him a little more. I don't know him personally, but my listening to one of his tapes while on campus, turned my life around totally.

One of my best friends' family started out with the Oyedepos in Kaduna way back in the early 1980s . . . infact it was through him i started attending Winners Chapel. So i know a little bit of background.

Tayo-D:
Again you are commiting the same error I mentioned before. Do you know this man's heart? Do you know what He's given up for his faith? Do you have an idea the sacrifices he's made in secret? Why condemn without information?

By their fruits ye shall know them.
the jews of those days did not need to read the hearts of the apostles . . . merely looking at their lifestyle they were able to decipher that these men had been with Jesus.

Tayo-D:
That Samuel's son's were desecrating the temple did not make Samuel less a Man of God. Each man will give his own individual account to God, and not through their Pastors.

Maybe you should read about why God punnished Eli and took the priesthood from him.
Perhaps you need to also read the fact that it was the error of Samuel's sons that forced the Jews to ask for a King.

A_K_O:
My dear brother 4Him, it appears that you have a basic problem with Oyedepo, you just don't agree with his actions, probably because you are suspicious of his motives. i can't argue with you on that because I am not well informed and i don't want to judge him.

i have no personal problems with Oyedepo, i once attended his church on campus . . . i have a problem though with anyone who twists the scriptures, inserts extra-biblical materials primarily to hoodwink the people while amassing wealth in the name of God.

A_K_O:
Of course we cannot overlook the conditions here but certainly God allows us to ask according to our will.

God never said such a thing. He says to ask according to HIS will.

You cannot take the "whatsoever ye ask for" as a blank cheque . . . what if i ask for a second wife, or a million dollars . . . is that according to His will or for me to consume upon my own lust as it says the book of James?

pork chops 24/7!

Busta:
who the mess is this? wasn't even talkin to u . . .thats how u get a black eye. Men are talking, stupid ass too opened his dirty mouth.

u know your girlfriend/wife/sista is the chattel. stupid nincompoop!

_{*shakes head*} see why men dont like to marry . . . they cant even take a joke.

"Good Riddance" - Green day

hotfunmi:
Why do some men stoop so low to sleep with their housegirl when their wife is a queen?

If the "queen" spends all her time nagging, always has a headache, entrusts the cooking and housecleaning to the housegirl then the man is not to blame for any consequence.

Busta:
and that means that they belong together and not that one person owns the other.

keep decieving urselves.  

Rebellious:
Becoming one flesh means that we BOTH make choices together. We both are the head and followers of the family. You also belong to me as I belong to you.

there can be no 2 captains on a ship. Have you seen a car with two steering wheels?

NaJa HaJe:
Why do men play silly games when its time to break up with their woman? _{una no say this kain tin dey lead to all kinds of unnecessary poto poto. . . . but you will still carry ahead misleading the woman}

because we dont want to see you to break our TV set in anger. It costs money u know.

if this is true then Mali shld take our place. We have no business going to the SFs.

Busta:
Why do men feel like they own the woman?

Well maybe its because they truly own the woman.
Isnt the purpose of marriage that they shall be 1 (ONE) flesh?

@ Tayo-D, here is a personal case Truequest sent to me a few minutes ago: (i quote)

I heard of a young guy a member of
Winners Chapel, You konw that before CU was built it was announced in
the church and members were encouraged to contribute or sow any one.
This young boy contributed what could be regarded as true 'widows
mite'. He also gave his services in clearing the ground among other
things that a youngmann can do. Later, he gained admission to the same
CU but no sponsor, he battled, borrowed and begged to no avail and
finally in his 3rd year he was sent out for his inability to foot his
own bills.

Here are my worries, this supposed to be their common wealth since
they al contributed to build the school, but this guy and others in
like category cannot asses what they built. this is honestly most
unfair.

I have just 1 question sir, is this an example of "fulfilling the scriptures" and "giving to the poor"?
What then is the purpose of the church . . . doing "God's will" by giving education only to the rich at the expense of the gullible?

thank you Tayo-D for those salient questions, i will use them to further explain my point of view and point out some other questions you may wish to consider:

Tayo-D:
1. Your argument is based on discernment of the heart of those you are accusing. With that, you have entered into the realm that is exclusively preserved for God. You make categorical statement that cannot and should never come out unless backed up with facts and figures which you have certainbly not provided. Accusing those who are rich of self-agrandisement when you do not know their hearts is sickening. You declare that they are not doing enough for the poor and I cannot but ask you if you know how much they give to the poor on a regular basis. Failur to present such facts make you appear unserious.

The Pharisees also gave to the poor . . . what was Christ's assessment of them? Is giving to the poor a sign of godliness?

Tayo-D:
2. This argument reminds me of what Jesus said in Matthew 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. We can clearly see that deprivation or otherwise is not the mark of godliness. Relative to Jesus, John the baptist denied himself but this never kept people from criticising both of them. So you see, it isn't the lack or abundance that matters but in doing God's will. The question I need you to answer is this: Are these people using the tools of money and wealth that God has blessed them with to propagate the Gospel or just for their persoal consumption?

Is CU an example of "propagating the gospel"? How, pls explain.
What really is "God's will"? To build schools, amass real estate, enter the guiness book of records all in the name of "propagating the gospel"?

Tayo-D:
3. You also need to clarify if prosperity include fianacial and material increase. I briefly read your argument with someone saying prosperity is not measured in material count. While this is not so for prosperity in the general sense, it is so for prosperity in the material sense. Go back to Abraham, Job, David, Solomon etc and see if God didn't put a count on their material blessings as a means of declaring how much He has blessed them. Need example in the NT? Here it is: Mark 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. Please how do you read this passage? Jesus said in this lifetime we will receive houses and lands if we gave them up for Him. And yes, there is the persecution that comes with it. By this, I am not surprised by your persecution of these people who are fulfilling the scriptures by receiving from God more of what they gave up, while you are fulfilling scripture also by being the persecutor.

Sir do you call pointing out the truth "persecution"? when Paul sharply reprimanded Peter for declaring that it was unclean to eat with the gentiles did Peter go sob in a corner crying about "persecution"?

How are these people "fulfilling the scriptures"? Pls sir show me the scriptures these people are fulfilling and i will keep quiet.

Indeed material blessings are part of God's riches but sir look again at the examples you mention . . . what was most important to them? The cattle, the houses, the camels, their gold and silver or the dedication of their hearts to God?

Tayo-D:
4. And please, you are yet to make it clear whether riches are from God or the devil and wether prosperity (including material) is part of the blessings we have in our covenant.

riches are from God - Deut 8: 18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Sir you are misconstruing the issue . . . it is not that "wealth" is of the devil but the OVER-EMPHASIS on wealth as a sign of "God's blessings". We have the world's largest christian congregation every sunday . . . and YET we are poorer and more corrupt than Communist China!!

Our political thieves have the front rows in our "ministeries" . . . the sons of our so-called "men of Gawd" are busy in foreign countries living lavish lives that do not glorify the God their parents claim to worship.
thousands come to church no longer to seek the face of the Lord but to seek His hands for "breakthroughs", miracles, signs and wonders!