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just wondering . . . is this what people of Tiv descent usually do when they meet themselves?

olabowale:
@4Him: If the fight is over the 'Temple Mount,' where is that located exactly? I see the Masjid Aqsa complex, and I do not know where you and your jewish handlers have your "temple MounT." Maybe you need to be clear about your location!

there is no point being decietful . . . even athiests know that the mosque (al aqsa) was deliberately built over the site of Solomons temple (temple mount).
If that is not true then why have the arabs vehemently and violently opposed excavations at that site?

olabowale:
But if the conflicts is about the Mount, from the Zionist perspective (Maybe I just have to say the Jewish perspective), then why the so many incursions into the Palestian territories?

which "palestinian territories"?

olabowale:
Why the curtaining off the West bank from the Gaza strip?

ask fatah and hamas.

olabowale:
Why the systematic killing off of the Palestians?

the palestinians are the only people on earth whose population is growing so rapidly despite all cries of a "genocide".

olabowale:
Why the killings in the refugee camps of Shatilla, etc in Lebanon, for example?

Have you cried about the recent Lebanese army incusion into the refugee camp in Beirut?

olabowale:
Why depriving the Palestians basic amenities like water?

Is it Isreal's duty to provide palestinians with water? Last i checked they do not recognise Isreal.

olabowale:
Why all the petty evils, which cumulatively begins to take its toll on the old, (Some of the palestians happen to be Christians)? Yet, no single Western (European and North American) country have said anything substantiative all the 60 plus years that Killing and forcibly taking the lands of the palestians from them, yet never have stopped long enough to give an impression that its ending?

why all the intifada, why all the rockets, why all the suicide bombing?

olabowale:
They have not gotten the 'Temple Mount?' Still searching for it, in the Middle East? Maybe they need to step out of Middle East and probably ask the Nigerian Christians to locate 'Temple Mount,' for them, since they have not be able to pinpoint it, all this while. They need somebody like Davidylan to do it for them! I could also suggest +Osisi, but I know that the Zionist will not regard her much! She is a woman and the women get it bad with the Jews!

We know where the temple mount is. your mosque is built on it. Was it not that same spot that Mohammed said he took a night journey to heaven? Didnt mohammed tell us he tied his donkey to a pillar used by the old prophets at solomon's temple?
all of a sudden you decietfully can no longer find this temple mount?

I maintain that iceland has never met those girls except thru an internet dating site. Why do i say so?

1. That is the only way he can successfully play 2 without them knowing.

2. The reason why both are in 2 diff European nations. why are both suddenly deciding to spend Vals day in their countries of origin?

glorina:
unfortunately, for me it isn't a small matter. I'm always alone. I don't have friends; if i don't call people they hardly call me. It even came to a point where i was always calling certain people and they indirectly told me to stop calling them. I feel so isolated.

huh that's a little more serious than i thought. Have you no friends at all in your church?
Maybe you shld take a serious look at how you relate to others. At the same time i would not advice that you lower your standards just to get others to like you, commit it into the hands of God and let Him do the rest . . .

Be patient dear . . . if you force friendship there will be wolves waiting to take advantage of you.

Logical:
yes I did get it from wikipedia, and you only knew that because you had to check authority to confirm your supposed knowledge and saw the similarities. What I don't get is the relevance.

perhaps i shld remind you that the trial of Moussaoui was common knowledge on TV networks here.

Logical:
Perhaps you did not get my question. There is no evidence to support that sept 11 was orchestrated by the religion Islam. Forget Al Ka-edah or whatever they call themselves.

Al aqaeda has claimed sole responsibility for 9-11 so there is no forgetting them. Unless of course you can also prove that the ideology of islamic supremacy is not behind al qaeda.

Logical:
Please tell me where my argument is impaired, or what I have said exactly that is not correct, so that we can debate from there, and you have not answered my question with material facts yet. Thank you.

You ask for material facts . . . the problem is there are NONE to support your side of view either.

Logical:
Do you want to say the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelites has something to do with Religion? If so, kindly state a fact, not an assumption.

my brother that is basically my point. The war over Jerusalem is not over land but over the religious implications of the temple mount.

joshjosh:
brother wonderful, you are not proud of that lovely church that teach you to hate WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT.

you are a wonderful person. enjoy your thanksgiving tomorrow

sigh . . . everytime you try to engage a member of the word of faith movement in a meaningful discourse they just have to get sentimental and resort to curses.

ono:
Except that bank is a separate entity, as distinct from the church, one can safely conclude then, that the robbers went to raid a bank very close to Winner's Chapel Hq. And nothing more than that. Someone should correct me if I'm wrong.

I just want to believe that the bank wasn't a part of the church.

Ono perhaps you are right but i want to believe that the bank is a part of Winners chapel.
I do not support the robbery attack and condolences to the families of the victims.

joshjosh:
if you check my posts you will see i don't attack nobody. i find it offensive that you can quote the bible to defend killing 8 people because the church is evil and not berean like yours.

what church do you attend as a matter of interest?

go through my posts and pls show me where i explicitly or implicitly defending the killing of 8 people.

My church is not urs to know. thank you.

joshjosh . . . it is easy to see those who are easily led by religious sentiments . . . they dont bother to use the scriptures to defend their position.
Keep cursing me sir.

joshjosh:
you mean the Jews bought from Egypt and took their money back again? you are so religious you forget common sense. we had a shop when i was young. everyone that patronized us made us richer.

The jews had their money returned back as a ploy and NOT because they had no more money to buy more grain. Again pls read ur bible.
Your shop has no relevance to this topic.

joshjosh:
you save by influence and the favour on you. paul saved onisemus too by his influence. stop thinking you have a monopoly on understanding the bible. what kind of evil church brought you up to see every other church as doing wrong?

Paul saved not by influence sir but by the grace of God on His life. The very grace that almost turned Felix to believe his words . . . today how many of our church leaders will be bold enough to tell our political leaders the truth? None!
The "evil church" that brought me up taught me to be like the Berean christians who did not just swallow every extra-bibilical truth hook, line and sinker.

joshjosh:
i know too much to be deceived by people like you. you have a very poor mind. that is why i never ever read your religious rantings without LOVE.

no problem sir.

One thing i notice sir, for those who are truly bereft of spiritual understanding . . . they quickly shift from reasoning thru the scriptures to personal attacks. Keep it up.

Logical:
Zaccarias Moussaoui is irrelevant to your answer to my question below.

During the trial, Moussaoui initially stated that he was not involved in the September 11 attacks, but that he was planning an attack of his own. Some al-Qaeda members reportedly corroborated Moussaoui's statement to an extent, saying that he was involved in a plot other than September 11, but prosecutors believed that his story had no merit.

Moussaoui was convicted on the basis of being the 20th bomber who however did not participate in the attacks.

You did get the last few lines of ur post off wikipedia (an indication of how little u really know about this issue despite basing a conclusion on it) . . . i suggest you read a little further and not rely solely on wikipedia.

Al qaeda as early as 2004 did admit sole responsibility for the 9-11 attacks on recorded video messages broadcast on al jazeera.

Logical:
Well they do not agree to co-existing alright, I agree, but the basis is not indoctrinated but rather personal.

If it were personal why would virtually all arab nations be on the side of the phoney palestinians? Why are muslims in nigeria also on their side? Would it perchance be related to the common denominator here - islam?

Is the fight over Jerusalem "personal" or a matter of islamic doctrine?

Sir i suggest you do a bit of "logical" study on matters you contribute to.

Logical:
Interesting, is this a material evidence, References on the net would be appreciated. We all can say anything of relevance to support our motions, but without evidence it does not have substance. So I would need references to those evidences you talked about here.

You dont know about the trial and conviction of Zaccarias Moussaoui . . . I rest my case.

pahtahkee:
You know what I mean by a common purse here. A student himself has his own common purse which in our time now is the bank.

another misrepresentation of scripture. The "common purse" as refered to in acts is not the same as a bank today. Can a student with no money just go to the bank and ask for help?

Behold the Laodeacian church age.

Logical:
They did not fight to have a nation then, but they do now? And yes references are made to their suicide bombings as things perpetuated by Muslims in not only forums like this. So you are trying to say, what exactly?

that to pretend that the Isreali-Palestinian conflict is all about territory is to buy into arab propaganda.

Logical:
Compatibility goes in the realms of being able to live with each other based on certain standards and has nothing to do with personal beliefs such as religion. I think religion is a personal thing.

Correct me if i'm wrong but compatibility is also a personal thing. If compatibility has "nothing to do with personal beliefs" why then do we have people judging their potential partners on the basis of skin color or tribe?

Logical:
Similarly, the fight between Israel and Palestine is not a fight between Judaism and Islam, but is, instead, a territorial conflict between a Judaism-majority country and an Islamic-majority country.

that is an oversimplification that is begining to border on falsehood. The conflict between Isreal and "palestine" (a concept that is being used as an arab smokescreen) is not territorial.
The westbank and gaza were for 19yrs in the hands of arab nations . . . the "palestinians" did not fight to have a nation then.

Logical:
Just curious, did America released evidence to incriminate the Islamic religion or Al-Kaedah? Or maybe I am missing something?

America and Al qaeda have released more than enough evidence. A certain Zacarias Moussaoui is serving a life sentence in Colorado for having been a party to the attacks.

pahtahkee:
Sir, even the apostles had a common purse. Have you read that in your bible? Where was this common purse situated? 200 miles from the apostles house?

Have you asked yourself why would a bank want to have their office on canaanland? It makes it easier for students and individuals on canaanland to do their financial transactions without having to travel and go through the rigours of the death traps we call roads.

Your argument sounds very convincing that i gave it a much deeper thought.
You talk about the apostles having a common purse . . . is the money in the banks a "common purse" to every member of canaanland?
Are the schools and restaurants there part of the "common purse"?

pahtahkee:
This is your first post on the topic and all you can come up with is this? Did you not read about the loss of lives during the mayhem unleashed by the thieves?

And since when did it become wrong  if a bank decides to have their office on canaanland?

Bros, please show me one place in the bible where the apostles turned their ministeries into business empires. Please just one.
A bank within church premises . . . for what purpose sir? Have we turned the house of God into a place for merchandise?

I sympathise with those who lost their lives but there are consequences for every action. Achan stole just a few materials from the people of Ai, several innocent jews perished for that singular act until Joshua had to seek the face of God and he was fished out.
His family ended up paying the price for his greed.

goodguy:
What a "smart" way to avoid my points. But you know what? You're such a hypocritical tool!

You gladly and vigorously reply arguments from jagunlabi and others like him who don't believe in the Bible. Even more vehemently do you take arguments from Muslims who obviously doubt the veracity of the Bible (an activity you're very well known for on this forum). But what do we have here? Keep deceiving yourself.

the above in highlights is just one of the reasons i dont entertain any "points" from you.
Notice the exchange between Tayo-D, joshjosh and i . . . even though we all hold varying viewpoints there was NO exchange of banal insults until you rudely barged into a discussion on a bible that you do not believe in.

I argue with Jagunlabi and others because unlike you we all know where they stand. They dont come here arguing about the bible when deep down they dont believe in it.

About your points? There was really nothing there . . . i'd rather stick to the other guys who are clearly interested in discussing issues irrespective of who is espousing them. Right from your first post here its bleeding obvious that your REAL intent is to throw mud in my eyes and not really about "points".

Pls allow us the space to reason together and keep the bad blooding you've been harbouring since last yr away from this thread.

@ goodguy thanks but i'll pass, i dont take arguments from people who doubt the veracity of the bible seriously. You're arguing merely to counter me not because you have any counter points.
I'll stick with joshjosh and tayo-D. Thank you.

joshjosh:
it is so obvious you argue for arguing sake. most preachers i hear go out of their way to explain that wealth is an all inclusive thing not just money.

I notice however that you're basically arguing for sentiments sake. Pls open the bible and show me where i'm wrong . . . that shld be the basis of this.

joshjosh:
how could joseph have saved his people if he didnt have the financial resources at his disposal?

Pls sir read your bible again. Joseph did not save his people with money . . . the jews had money (they were buying grain from Egypt!) . . . he saved His people because God gave him the divine wisdom to store grain during the 7yrs of famine.

joshjosh:
anyway do thanksgiving in your church that your enemy was robbed.

Again sentiments is at play here. No one is my enemy neither am i rejoicing that they've been attacked by robbers.
This is the typical approach u see from the word of faith movement. Rid yourselves of the extra-biblical doctrines that are clouding ur vision.

Logical:
Quite interesting, how religion can create discrimination inside the heart of those that follows its path. Sad

you could say the same for skin color or tribe. The fact is that compatibility is a huge part of marriage . . . most men wont marry a woman who is not educationally on par with them, why shld religion be any different?

he didnt spend his security vote and so what? There is still no light, no water, no security, roads are bad and telecoms is collapsing . . .

newsletter:
the fact is that islam is still the most embraced religion in the west , to make it even more shocking , the IBO TRIBE ARE NOW EMBRACING ISLAM WITH DRASTIC EFFECT.
GO AND MAKE MORE RESEARCH . DONT BE BRIAN WASHED, MIND SLAVED AND TELEGRAMED.

At the end of the day u're the one who really needs the research . . . the west is not embracing islam rather islam seems to be "growing" in the west due to increased migration and birth rate. Those are facts.

Where are the igbo tribes embracing islam? I am half-igbo and i know that is not true.

debosky:
some black people seem to regard shagging white chicks as the pinnacle of achievement. . .how self denigrating.

End of story!

Iceland was not here for advice but to tell us the 9th wonder of the world . . . that he is shagging white chics. Possibly sounds like he met them via an online dating site. Why would both chics be from diff European countries and not iceland itself?

Joshjosh i have not much to say to you except this, i dont love poverty and wickedness. I am not poor and i hold on to the scriptures that say that i shall eat the good of the land.

You talk of God blessing Joseph . . . yes that is what your fathers in the word of faith movement have sold to you. They see everything only in terms of "blessings" which is simply an euphemism for money.
God made Joseph head over Egypt NOT just to bless him and make him rich BUT TO PRESERVE LIFE!!! Even Joseph himself acknowledged this fact but as usual it is swept under the carpet.

@ goodguy, you do not deserve a reply from me. For a guy who is unsaved and has a very poor understanding of the scriptures it is a wonder that you can determine what is of or on tangent.

@ tayo-D i had to drop off to sleep and could not reply you much earlier.
[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]You seem to have a problem with catering to the rich.[/quote]no i have a problem with those who use riches as the yardstick of God's blessings.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]My guy, riches are God's blessings.[/quote]We are both in agreement on this . . . for it is the Lord who gives his servant the power to get wealth.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]What you do not understand is that abundance of money provides a good tool for God's work. Christ rode on a donkey not becuase He could not ride on a horse, but so that scriptures can be fulfilled. In His death, he was buried in a rich man's tomb just so scriptures can be fulfilled. I wish any one can point me to a place in scripture where Jesus needs anything and He lacked the necessary resources to meeet such a need. Money is a resource. Please read your Bible and you'll find out that Jesus usually travels in a convoy Mark 4:36 And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships. The purpose for all the boats is to do ministry. Whether, it is boats, planes, cars or rail, all available means must be used to make God's Word available and heard on every voice. Guess the common denominator of all these - money.[/quote]No sir . . . read your bible Jesus did not commission the convoy. Rather these were people who were more than desperate to hear the word and were prepared to go with him wherever he went. It got to a point Christ had to chide them that a lot of them were following Him not for the word but because of the miracles of feeding the multitude.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]Why do you expect these people to be shipwrecked when you are yet to venture out into the sea? In a way, isn't there name and character being grounded ashore through these unsubstantiated calims of yours? You may call it extortion, but Jesu never asked the widow to take back her mite, neither did Elijah have the widow keep the flour for herself and her child.[/quote]Twisting scripture to defend the position of money has become the stock in trade of the Word of Faith movement. The widow was not paying her mite to Christ or His ministry . . . i doubt if Christ was the one collecting the temple offerings, that was going to the priests.
What has Elijah, the widow and her flour got to do with the topic at hand?
I repeat again . . . the church (as an organisation) is indeed rich but are the people (those the bible identifies as the church) spiritually and physically any better?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]You again miss the point. When Paul talked about the Apostles being made spectacles, he said the oppposite to those who have come to believe in Christ through them. You will find the same boldness in people today. Perhaps you should do a little research on the Bishop and someone like Idahosa so you'll know their testimony. You ridicule their successe now while failing to recognize their days of humble beginnings. Of them the scriptures testify "that their latter end shall be greatly increased".[/quote]When the scriptures talk about "their latter end shall be greatly increased" was it talking in terms of money, cars, jets, schools and restaurants? Again we are guilty of patching up scripture to defend our covetous nature.
The apostles in the bible were spectacles of boldness, fearlessness in preaching the word with incredible signs and wonders following. Are our church leaders such "spectacles" today? Rather we talk about them in terms of how big their church is, how much they are worth and how many cars they own.

I do not "ridicule their success" . . . i am only worried that these days we only measure "success" in terms of pecuniary gains. This is sad.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]Do the others run the school per Bible standards? That's the difference. Your argument is like telling me not to build a house because the Gospel has not profited from unbelievers who own houses.[/quote]The others dont run their schools per bible standards but really what is the difference if only the children of the rich can afford it? Is the gospel now only for the rich?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]Get over it. The schoold is not meant for everyone just as the church (as in the denomination or local assembly) isn't meant for everyone.[/quote]Yeah i know . . . the gospel is now for the rich. sigh

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912333#msg1912333 date=1201931171]For all you know, God could spend that billions of dollars so He could save the life of one person. Billy Graham was the only one who got saved after a series of revival meetings. Guess how many God saved through that one man.[/quote]God does not need billions of dollars to spread His gospel. That is the lie the enemy has planted in our hearts to justify our greed.
Go to villages and see poor brethren teaching the message of salvation with just their bibles and megaphones.

Why are virtually all the word of faith movements limited to areas of high economic value? Puhleese!

Logical:
2. The prophet of Islam said that if the trousers go below the ankle, the ankle on the day of judgment would be burnt in fire. Maybe a scare tactics, who knows?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912313#msg1912313 date=1201929268]@4Him,
Is this Davidylan? Dem don ban you again? Wetin happen this time? By the way, I read your article and some comments about Creflo Dolar, and I can't but disagree with you. You argue from one perspective without looking at the entire picture. If this is indeed Davidylan, I'll probably try and respond to your article with an email.[/quote]Oga . . . i have decided to remain under the radar for a while . . . the disciples of allah just love getting my butt kicked.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912313#msg1912313 date=1201929268]Perhaps you should go there yourself and see what the difference is between the Covenant University and others. One of my wife's cousin attends the school even though I know no one in the entire extended family who attends Winners Chapel. The guy is a much different person because of that school. Young people are groomed, not only to earn a degree and start making a living, but the principles of Christ and imbimbed into them. This you cannot get in other schools. This is a school where the Word of Christ is the focus. Can you say the same about the others?[/quote]But there is a problem . . . only the rich can afford this. Kind of defeats the purpose in my oppinion.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912313#msg1912313 date=1201929268]Among Jesus' disciples, one always puts himself forward as an advocate for the poor. Guess who that was - Judas. The poor you will have always with you. There is nothing even Jesus can do about that.[/quote]Clearly that was an example of sarcasm in the bible . . . if Judas truly cared for the poor certainly he didnt need to steal to feed the poor. Besides for 30 pieces of silver he was willing to betray one with whom he had worked so closely with for 3yrs . . . was the 30 pieces of silver meant for the poor?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912313#msg1912313 date=1201929268]Private jets are tools for propagating the kingdom. Until last week, my pastors wife was away from church for about 3 weeks. She went around preaching and criss-crossing america in a car. She would have done more if she had a private jet. With a private jet, she'll have get to a meeting in one State, get a good nights sleep (instead of driving all night), then fly to her next meeting the following morning, well rested and alert. She does not have to wait to book flights that could waste her time and deprive her of much needed time to rest. Yes, private jets are tools just like your car. And by the way, Kenneth Copeland gave our church a new airplane last week. I understand that is the 18th aircraft he will be sowing. Doyou know by God's ecomonics, he will get a reward for every soul won through the use of that jet? Now that is laying up for yourslef treasures in heaven.[/quote]Oga . . . there were no jets 2000yrs ago . . . the works of those men who depended on ships, donkeys and their worn out sandals have remained the gold standard by which we live our lives today.
We have jets today but can we truly say that our spiritual lives are any better than 2000yrs ago? Atheism is on the rise, the church is lukewarm, we have heaped to ourselves teachers to fulfil the desires of our covetous hearts, we come to church no longer willing to listen to the gospel of salvation but merely to seek breakthroughs . . . yet we have jets!

Christ said true children of God would be persecuted for the gospel's sake, today our church leaders are "respected" all over the world. . . they are invited before heathens . . . and feast with the kings of the world. In the hands of this men the gospel of Christ has suffered ridicule . . . we have jets but our church members rarely read their bibles anymore . . . but we have more crime.

The gospel did not need jets in the days of Paul . . . and yet they preached the gospel to the uttermost parts of the world. Sometimes what we call "tools of the kingdom" are merely an euphemism for tools for our own convenience.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912313#msg1912313 date=1201929268]You miss my point altogether. I know what Jesus taught. I am only trying to call your attention to the fact that Jesus did not drive the people away, nor empty the treasury in that instant which is what you'd have us believe He does all the time. Please realise that Jesus' problem was not with money. If that were the case, then we have to start telling people that Jesus hates doves as well because the same passage tells us what Jesus did to those selling doves as well. Is your God poor? When you obey God's word, you will reap when you sow. Is it not the Bible that teaches that a man's harvest in life depends entirely on what he sows?[/quote]Jesus at no time was angry with people giving offerings, he was angry at those who chose to use the temple as a place for merchandise . . . instead of doves and money changers we now have schools and restaurants.

It is for a reason that Christ warns us not to be unequally yoked in marriage.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]When Jesus commanded that they who preach the gospel must be sustained through the Gospel, how do you think He intended to achieved that?[/quote]Of course by tithes and offerings . . . certainly Christ was not expecting them to force the people to pay taxes and levies (also known as tithes and offerings) to build schools for the rich.
Imagine if Christ had asked all those he healed and delivered to bring their tithes and offerings . . . imagine if Christ had asked Zaccheus to pay his tithes to Him . . . He would not have needed to borrow a colt . . . he would have ridden to Jerusalem in a convoy of the finest Horses of Rome.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]My question to you: How many times have you being shipwrecked and stoned for the sake of Christ? Is spirituality measured by the level of persecution or degree of poverty? Have you not read that Apostles were made like spectacles to the whole world? Wasn't Jesus made poor so we could become rich? Of what benefit is your poverty to God?[/quote]Spirituality is not measured by the level of persecution, church "growth" is not measured by the number of banks on its premises either.
I may not have been shipwrecked before but i refuse to be a partaker of the extortion that goes on today in the name of Christ.
The apostles were made spectacles to the whole world NOT for how much was in their bank accounts or how grand their churches were (they even hd to borrow private homes to preach) or the size of their horses and ships but for the fearlessness with which they shared the word of Christ and their willingness to die for their faith . . . how many of our church leaders can boast of same today?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]While I have never being a member of Oyedepo's Church, I know what he has built there is purely borne out of love to meet a gaping need in the society.[/quote]How has he fulfilled this need? Igbinedion, Atiku, Obj also have private schools . . . were they also borne out of love to meet a gaping need in society?
And how many members of Winners chapel can afford to attend CU?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]Tell me, when Jesus said we should occupy till He comes, are you suggesting He wanted us to be occupied with poverty?[/quote]No, he didnt expect us to make riches the prime focus of our lives either. I ask a simple question again oga, how did brother Paul occupy till he died? By building Jerusalemland?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]Why don't you list the number of people your life as a whole has benefitted and see if your list will come up to 1/1000th. Self-centered people don't do what he does.[/quote]By this analogy we can safely assume that apostle Peter, brother Paul, James, Stephen, the sons of Zebedee e.t.c. were all self-centered people . . . not even a school, restaurant or bank for the poor Jews? such a shame.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]A church will be rich if they follow God's word.[/quote]Jesus had to borrow a colt to ride to Jerusalem . . . obviously He was not following God's word.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]God's word brings prosperity and wholeness to the spirit, soul and body. Jesus' promise is that we will receive now in this lifetime, more of what we give up for Him, and in the world to come, eternal life.[/quote]Is "prosperity" measured only in how fat our accounts are? Joseph was a prosperous man in prison . . . i doubt if he even owned the shirt on his back.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]If you grew up in naija, I'd like you to tell us what you think the fate of naija's educational system would have been withou the input of the various mission schools. I dare say 70% of the people here attended one missionary school or the other, so I am left wondering what your point is.[/quote]pls sir kindly give me the most current school fees for CU and compare that to those of the mission schools. Can we also agree that Igbinedion university is a mission school too?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]As for the Bank, it is only a fool who minimises the importance of money in our world. Even Jesus said we should make friends with money, and haven't you read that the silver and gold are His?[/quote]     Oga . . . are you sure brother Peter came across this verse at all? Why then did he say "silver and gold have i none . . ."?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=109673.msg1912221#msg1912221 date=1201924481]If you'd like a debate, I'll give you one. But just so as to be sure that I am not in a debate with a hypocrite, kindly do what Jesus said literarily concerning giving ALL you have and then follow Him. That way I will know I am in a debate with someone who not only believes in poverty, but has sworn allegiance to it.[/quote] I wont give all my salary so someone else can build a school that i wont be able to afford. It doesnt make economic sense.