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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:50pm On May 12
MuttleyLaff:

This guy is bad, very bad, has a dark dead and ugly soul. O ma se oo. SMH
Oh yeah? You had better watched it so that your head won't fall off your shoulders.

When you get to hell you won't need me to tell you how bad, very bad, dark and deadly ugly soul you have been, and how hot the flames will be for you. Like the rich man, you shall cry and say, 'Pls tell my fellow gay boys that the fire is too hot'.

I. for falsifying God's Word.
2. For your sins which includes homosexuality.

Be gone now.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 11:00pm On May 12
Shepherd00:
Oh yeah? You had better watched it so that your head won't fall.of your shoulders.

When you get to hell you won't me to tell you how bad, very bad, dark dead and ugly soul you have been and how hot the flames will be for you, like the rich man, you shall cry and say, 'Pls tell my fellow gay boys that the fire is too hot'.

I. for falsifying God's Word.
2. For your sins which includes homosexuality.

Be gone now.
I know intelligence and comprehension aren't exactly your forte, so let me spell it out for you. You're bad because your heart and soul are dirty, ugly and dark

If you have a real man's pair of balls, and if you wouldnt dodge or hide from answering these questions
1/ Show the word of God I fasified
2/ Also, kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what specifically is the sin, in homosexuality and what specifically about homosexuality is an abomination to God and say the cause why the bible states that, thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind is abomination.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 11:10pm On May 12
MuttleyLaff:

You need help fast, you not only have homophobia disorder you also have a voyeuristic disorder, and these, on top of being a closet homosexual
Are those the only disorders I have? I believe you left out some. I totally have them all. Did I say I am not HOMOPHOBIC? I am.

You wish i were gay. But sorry sir, I fiercely and jealousy defend my Faith. I will not serve satan. Homosexuality is of the devil. it's Satan's version of marriage. You shall fight in Satan's army at Armageddon as you have enlisted as a soldier. dead and destruction awaits you.

God created marriage becos everything He created is in marriage. Everything is male and female.

MuttleyLaff:

Whats with the fake sickness, huh? Tell, what specifically and why are you having this fake sickness at the thought of two men having sex of each other, hmm?
Sorry, pardon me. I forgot you are gay and see your act as normal. Maybe if you were straight or Homophobic, you'd ve understood what I mean. I watch empire I say Jamal and his men, I see them kiss themselves and I wonder if they are humans. It is sickening to say the least. But, what van I say, enjoy. There are too many women on earth for me to look at a fellow man.
Thunder fire satan

MuttleyLaff:

Look at the scaredy cat arsehole jerk, wetting his pants in fright already
Oh, you'd know abt asseholes won't You?

And yes, I'm pissing in my pants to even think of fighting with you. I believe your fingers stink of poo.t some shi.t must stick into your finger nails after sticking them into asseholes. ewwww.


MuttleyLaff:


Intelligence is a very valuable thing, unfortunately, usually it comes far too late for some. No sense, no common sense, so sense wiseness is out of the question here. SMH.
You no hear say take your intelligence chop gala?
Oga, abeg carry your shi.t stinky fingers you stick inside asseholes commot for hia.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 11:25pm On May 12
MuttleyLaff:
I know intelligence and comprehension are exactly your forte, so let me spell it out for you. You're bad because your heart and soul are dirty, ugly and dark

If you have a real man's pair of balls, and if you wouldnt dodge or hide from answering these questions
1/ Show the word of God I fasified
2/ Also, kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what specifically is the sin, in homosexuality and what specifically about homosexuality is an abomination to God and say the cause why the bible states that, thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind is abomination.
Guy, your mind is stuck on balls. abeg stop harassing my balls in your head.

By 'To Us' you mean the Gay community in Nairaland?

I will gladly answer these if you'd first answer the questions I posted to you and one Homosexual thread. Here they are again.

in that thread you said 'They are many usefulness of Homosexuality that you cannot count' and I said 'Give me just 10

I said, God created everything to be useful to Man and the Universe, what is the Usefulness of Homosexuality?

Again, I asked you where Homosexuality fits in 'Go into the World and Multiply and fill the earth with Children.

You pretended like you didn't see these questions and then went on to post yours.

I will answer you, if the stinky-shi.t in your fingers is bearable

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 5:59am On May 13
Shepherd00:
Are those the only disorders I have? I believe you left out some. I totally have them all. Did I say I am not HOMOPHOBIC? I am.
Good, wear it and all, on your head, like a shrimp then.

Shepherd00:
You wish i were gay. But sorry sir, I fiercely and jealousy defend my Faith. I will not serve satan. Homosexuality is of the devil. it's Satan's version of marriage. You shall fight in Satan's army at Armageddon as you have enlisted as a soldier. dead and destruction awaits you.
No sir, its you, Mr closet and undisclosed homosexual, who desperately wishes I am gay. Being a sexual minority activist, is miles apart from being gay, my friend.

Shepherd00:
God created marriage becos everything He created is in marriage. Everything is male and female.
Marriage is a shadow model of a real thing, what's in heaven. I bet you dont know that. Marriage, as a matter of fact, is a union of the soul with God, there is no male or female in heaven, bet you've forgotten about that fact, as well

Shepherd00:
Sorry, pardon me. I forgot you are gay and see your act as normal
What miserable & unnecessary lies. Never dialogue with someone who believes their own lies. I have never in my life ever sexually admired a well-turned out male anatomy and/or physique
Can I, imagine myself being getting sexually aroused by another man? Nope, as hell, will need to freeze up first before that will ever happen to me. I am not wired up that way Jose.

Shepherd00:
Maybe if you were straight or Homophobic, you'd ve understood what I mean. I watch empire I say Jamal and his men, I see them kiss themselves and I wonder if they are humans. It is sickening to say the least.
"Then Joseph fell on his father's face, and wept over him and kissed him."
- Genesis 50:1

"Greet one another with a kiss of love Peace be to you all who are in Christ"
- 1 Peter 5:14

"All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 1 Corinthians 16:20

I tell you, you're more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles. C'mon, it is to you unhuman, for men to kiss each other now, hmm? SMH. Please tell what sign did Judas give to betray Jesus, huh?

Shepherd00:
But, what van I say, enjoy. There are too many women on earth for me to look at a fellow man.
Thunder fire satan
A world without women, will be a pain in the ass, only some will get it. I doubt you would.

Shepherd00:
Oh, you'd know abt asseholes won't You?
Yep, there is one on this page, one who opened and started this thread.

Shepherd00:
And yes, I'm pissing in my pants to even think of fighting with you. I believe your fingers stink of poo.t some shi.t must stick into your finger nails after sticking them into asseholes. ewwww.
I am not surprised you are because the difference between a brave man and a coward, is, a coward pisses his pant many times over and dies a thousand death before his time but a brave man never tastes death but once

Shepherd00:
You no hear say take your intelligence chop gala?
Oga, abeg carry your shi.t stinky fingers you stick inside asseholes commot for hia.
If I had a lower IQ like this displayed by you, maybe I could enjoy this comment and the others like it.

Shepherd00:
Guy, your mind is stuck on balls. abeg stop harassing my balls in your head.
In your fantasy and in your dreams possibly.

Shepherd00:
By 'To Us' you mean the Gay community in Nairaland?
Whatever floats your boat

Shepherd00:
I will gladly answer these if you'd first answer the questions I posted to you and one Homosexual thread.
I'll believe it when I see you answer the questions

Shepherd00:
Here they are again.

in that thread you said 'They are many usefulness of Homosexuality that you cannot count' and I said 'Give me just 10
For the record, and unlike your fictitious and bogus version of events, it was you, on the "Esoteric Paths" thread, who first brought up the question of the usefulness of Homosexuality, and at which I replied and said:

"The ground wont be able to contain it at all, if I am to tell you the usefulness of homosexuality to humans, seeing as God created everything on earth to be useful to both man and the universe, so I will coyly throw the request back at you by asking:
1/ Who is Leo Varadkar, and how does Leo Varadkar add to the universe?
2/ Who is Alan Turing, and how did Alan Turing add to the universe and you getting to be using computer, either as on a laptop, PC or smartphone? "


but unfortunately, your sail ran out of wind, you bottled it, refused and didnt answer the two questions , that were in my reply to yours.

Anyway, as I've already told whats good before, with two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, in a SSR (i.e. same-sex relationship), as in being gay or homosexual partners minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, I dont mind and have no qualms repeating myself here of their usefulnes.

1/ Two consenting adults, who love each other is a good and useful thing
2/ That they enjoy each other’s company is a good and useful thing
3/ They are mutually respectful to each other is a good and useful thing
4/ Two consenting adults, mutually supportive to each other, and even sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them is a good and useful thing
5/ Mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, by two consenting adults is a good and useful thing
6/ Faithful, committed, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime, as in life-long and loyal relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, for two consenting adults is a good and useful thing
7/ Two consenting adults that are not betraying another person, or even, not cheating on another person is a good and useful thing
8/ Two consenting adults not being harmful to an object, neighbour or anyone else is a good and useful thing
9/ Two consenting adults that are in a lifetime or life-long and loyal relationship is a good and useful thing
10/ Two consenting adults that are in a healthy and stable environment for not only having kids but taking good care of them, is a good and useful thing
11/ Two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good and useful thing
12/ Two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure is a good and useful thing

Shepherd00:
I said, God created everything to be useful to Man and the Universe, what is the Usefulness of Homosexuality?
Question already fully answered above, so start getting ready to answer mine too

Shepherd00:
Again, I asked you where Homosexuality fits in 'Go into the World and Multiply and fill the earth with Children.
They happily fit in 'Go into the World and Multiply and fill the earth with Children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst some, already earlier or along the way have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, that I advised you to google up or like JayZ's mum

Shepherd00:
You pretended like you didn't see these questions and then went on to post yours.
The evidence at the following pasted link, https://www.nairaland.com/5095694/esoteric-paths/3#77063501 is proof that I did not pretend I didnt see the questions, that I responded to them and then posted my questions which frightened you scared stiff, you couldnt bring yourself to answer, so you resorted to evasion and shunning them.

Shepherd00:
I will answer you, if the stinky-shi.t in your fingers is bearable
Now since I've answered your questions, knuckle down and straight away, go ahead and answer mine. The original first two questions that I coyly threw back at you and the latter other new two questions

1/ Who is Leo Varadkar, and how does Leo Varadkar add to the universe?
2/ Who is Alan Turing, and how did Alan Turing add to the universe and you getting to be using computer, either as on a laptop, PC or smartphone?

1/ Show the word of God I fasified
2/ Also, kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what specifically is the sin, in homosexuality and what specifically about homosexuality is an abomination to God and say the cause why the bible states that, thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind is abomination.

Shepherd00:
I perceive you a Christian Homosexual

MuttleyLaff:
I am not a Christian Homosexual.
Also I hardly succumb to labelling, but to quench your curiosity, please feel free to perceive me to be a crusader, champion for the underdogs, voice for the voiceless, setting the record straight etcetera.

Shepherd00 please respect other people's LGBT sexual orientation, even if you dont understand or if it doesnt mean anything to you, it means a lot to them. Shepherd00 Life Gets Better Together (LGBT), the moment we realise and recognise that every human being, regardless of sexual orientation leanings, deserves a safe and supportive environment to live in and without feeling fear, restraint or obligation.

You left my questions unanswered, why did you do that?

Shepherd00:
You will stand before Jesus to defend that. i'm out.

MuttleyLaff:
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
"
- Romans 8:1

Do you know who my Advocate is, the best SAN in the country is no match Shepherd00? My Advocate will defend me from you.

Shepherd00, you really need to lighten up, just enjoy and love others more, don't get so unneccesarily worked up over nothing and stop sipping the homosexuality Kool-Aid.

Dont you realise that our each and every life changing transformation(s) and the point at which a situation is clearly seen and understood, to start to a change in us, exactly rises, pro rata with the amount of truth we can take and take without running away from it

Now, tell me Shepherd00, how you think God will judge others for how they love and not judge you for beefing it, huh?. I dont know how you cope and live comfortably with this your bias. You see, people say, the truth is stranger than fiction... and guess what, the same truth, on that day, will incriminate you. Hiding and running away from the truth, will never make you free. Running away from the truth, is a race, no one ever wins. Make note, that the day you decide, to stop running, is the day that you arrive Shepherd00. I am out too but my door is always ajar.

Shepherd00:
All these preaching, you could have just pointed a few usefulness of homosexuality to mankind.

MuttleyLaff:
You would have realised at least two, if you had committed yourself to answering those two questions instead of highfalutinly ignoring it. I am not surprised you did anyway because that is your modus operandi. If not that, you are either like a bull in a china shop, seeing red and running amok, scatter scattering everything in sight.

Let me turn your request on its head and roll it back to you. Please point out a few evilness in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, having a caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal, same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour
cc jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz, TV01

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by JMAN05: 9:24am On May 13
Shepherd00:

No sir, it's not a semantic issue but context.

If one must seek proof before believing in Jesus and what He teaches, then how can one proof Jesus' claims that He came from Heaven?


The Bible says Jehovah is God, and He is in heaven. what proof can one get before believing that Jehovah is indeed in heaven?

There's nothing like blind faith sir. Look around you and tell me if God is not speaking to you through nature.

Do not see proof as something outside bible. If you want to believe in Jesus, the OT has the proof that you need to establish Jesus as the messiah. Jesus himself quoted scriptures to support his points. Apart from the words of Jesus, other bible writers shows that Jesus came from heaven. Nothing is wrong with seeking proofs. They are handy.

There still secular reliable sources to show that Jesus was a historical person. I don't think the guy is against that. He is just saying that not every teaching you hear, you accept. Try to seek for proofs supporting those teachings. Its OK IMO.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by JMAN05: 9:25am On May 13
budaatum:

Thank you. I'm also saying those who believe because they don't yet have proof are more blessed too according to scripture, at least more than those who refuse to contemplate it.

I've also said some beliefs are not worth having so one must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I think I understood that.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:11pm On May 14
MuttleyLaff:

Good, wear it and all, on your head, like a shrimp then.
Don't you think it's silly to tell me to do what i'm already doing?
I wear my homophobia openly for you to see.

MuttleyLaff:

No sir, its you, Mr closet and undisclosed homosexual, who desperately wishes I am gay. Being a sexual minority activist, is miles apart from being gay, my friend.
Don't you think I will gladly wear my homosexuality proudly since the world over is cheering them on? Here you, a supposed Christian who shd stand by the Word of God and call sin what the Lord calls it, yet you fiercely attack anyone who dares say anything against the act, shouldn't that make me feel free about my proclivity?

You feel by tagging anyone who stands against your abominable act 'closet homosexual' that will make people leave you alone.

Guy, you repulse me.
MuttleyLaff:

Marriage is a shadow model of a real thing, what's in heaven. I bet you dont know that. Marriage, as a matter of fact, is a union of the soul with God, there is no male or female in heaven, bet you've forgotten about that fact, as well
So because there's no male or female in heaven you convinced yourself that it's okay to have se.x with a fellow man?

Oga, why not come out plainly and call God foolish for creating. genderless heavenly beings in heaven, but create male and female and put them on earth.
God must be crazy right?

MuttleyLaff:

What miserable & unnecessary lies. Never dialogue with someone who believes their own lies. I have never in my life ever sexually admired a well-turned out male anatomy and/or physique
Can I, imagine myself being getting sexually aroused by another man? Nope, as hell, will need to freeze up first before that will ever happen to me. I am not wired up that way Jose.
Do you really believe yourself? because actions betray you here. There are so many Homosexuals in Nairaland, but no one fights to make it right like you do. You even dare to use scriptures for your lies, yet you call me a lair. I just pity you.

MuttleyLaff:

" Then Joseph fell on his father's face, and wept over him and kissed him. "
- Genesis 50:1
" Greet one another with a kiss of love Peace be to you all who are in Christ "
- 1 Peter 5:14
" All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. "
- 1 Corinthians 16:20
I tell you, you're more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles. C'mon, it is to you unhuman, for men to kiss each other now, hmm? SMH. Please tell what sign did Judas give to betray Jesus, huh?
This is it. You claim you don't falsify Scriptures to back up your lies.

Did Joseph kissed his father like a man kisses his wife? Did Paul tell Christians to kiss their brethren by putting their tongues into each other's mouths and suck it in a sexual manner?

You live in Britain and you see mothers and fathers and relatives kissing their folks on the chicks, is that what Jamal did with his sex mates? Is that what you do with your sex partners?

You disgust me for using this scriptures. You are a thieve for stealing the truth of the Word of God and you'll answer for this.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:51pm On May 14
MuttleyLaff:

A world without women, will be a pain in the ass, only some will get it. I doubt you would.
I'll give this my friend, you are very clever. 'A world without women will be a pain in the ass' you say. Yeah, it is indeed a pain in your ass since you have removed them out of your world and are taking up the pain caused you by your partner's deek. Weldone.

MuttleyLaff:

Yep, there is one on this page, one who opened and started this thread.
Try getting your mind off ass.holes in public, sir. This thread is not about asses, I made an inference and you jumped on me, because you can never stand any say homosexuality is a sin. Will it change the fact? No.
Except you change this; 1 Corinthians 6:9
Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual
Here it says 'If you behave like a homosexual', meaning you may not even be, just behave like one and you are a dog.

MuttleyLaff:

I am not surprised you are because the difference between a brave man and a coward, is, a coward pisses his pant many times over and dies a thousand death before his time but a brave man never tastes death but once
Yes, I know right? A.nus Warrior. That is where you show your bravery, running from thread to thread hunting those who will dare say that God forbids men having sex with men.
MuttleyLaff:

If I had a lower IQ like this displayed by you, maybe I could enjoy this comment and the others like it
You do enjoy it, don't pretend. You enjoy when you talk about assholes all the time.

MuttleyLaff:

" The ground wont be able to contain it at all, if I am to tell you the usefulness of homosexuality to humans, seeing as God created everything on earth to be useful to both man and the universe, so I will coyly throw the request back at you by asking:
1/ Who is Leo Varadkar, and how does Leo Varadkar add to the universe?
2/ Who is Alan Turing, and how did Alan Turing add to the universe and you getting to be using computer, either as on a laptop, PC or smartphone?
And I said, don't give as many usefulness as the ground cannot contain all.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 8:27pm On May 14
Shepherd00, didn't I say I'll believe it when I see you answer the question. I am not surprised you're not a man to keep to your promise and words. Look at you dodging those four questions again now. I have answered all yours, haven't I?

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:40pm On May 14
MuttleyLaff:

but unfortunately, your sail ran out of wind, you bottled it, refused and didnt answer the two questions , that were in my reply to yours.
I'm not obligated to answer your questions when you didn't answer mine. As you can see, i'm not shy, I will answer every question you post at me, but not before you answer mine first.
MuttleyLaff:

Anyway, as I've already told whats good before, with two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, in a SSR (i.e. same-sex relationship), as in being gay or homosexual partners minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, I dont mind and have no qualms repeating myself here of their usefulnes.
Didn't Jehovah know that SSR is not harmful to other men and the Universe before He created Adam and Eve instead of Adam Steve?
Didn't He know that sex between two easy going consenting adults who are committed to each is nothing before he said Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
If we were to follow this;
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads

You shd be put to death. But, instead of you seeing your sin, you fight to make it right.

Romans 1:26-28 (For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenientwink

Sir, you shall receive the recompense of the you propagate here.

MuttleyLaff:

1/ Two consenting adults, who love each other is a good and useful thing
2/ That they enjoy each other’s company is a good and useful thing
3/ They are mutually respectful to each other is a good and useful thing

1. There are different kinds of love. Which Love are you talking about here?
Hellish love which is selfish and produces only deathly or Heavenly Love which is selfless and geared towards pleasing God and working good for the benefit of Man and the Universe.

2. And God is so stupid to create Eve to be good company for Adam right?
And Isaac did not enjoy Rebecca's company right, he would ve sort comfort in the hands of one of his father's servant right?
3. This is your interpretation of usefulness?

Now listen Mr block head. This is selfishness, not Usefulness. There's no way SSR can benefit any other Man outside the two having sex.

MuttleyLaff:

4/ Two consenting adults, mutually supportive to each other, and even sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them is a good and useful thing
5/ Mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, by two consenting adults is a good and useful thing
6/ Faithful, committed, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime, as in life-long and loyal relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, for two consenting adults is a good and useful to each other

4. Have you seen Ocean or Rivers drinking their water? Have you seen trees eating their own fruits?, have you seen gold beautifying itself? Have seen animals eating their own flesh? No. Why, because they are created to serve others and the Universe. God knew that two consenting adults needs to support each other, He created Male and Female. He is not stupid.

And, after supporting themselves, they must need support the Universe to grow and continue, hence procreation.
How does your Adam and Steve hope to support the continuity and progress of the Universe? If they support themselves, enjoyed each companies and dies, what happens then?

5. And God didn't know that before He created only two people who happened to be Male and female?

6. Jesus must be stupid when he commanded that shd be done between a man and a woman, yeah?

Do you take God for a fool?

MuttleyLaff:

7/ Two consenting adults that are not betraying another person, or even, not cheating on another person is a good and useful thing
8/ Two consenting adults not being harmful to an object, neighbour or anyone else is a good and useful thing
9/ Two consenting adults that are in a lifetime or life-long and loyal
Two consenting adults who are bent on killing the universe and bringing an end to Humanity.
They are loyal to their selfish selves not to God who created them.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 8:54pm On May 14
Shepherd00:

Two consenting adults who are bent on killing the universe and bringing an end to Humanity.
"Two consenting adults" are "bent on killing the universe and bringing an end to Humanity" in the privacy of their bedroom, Shepherd?

Are you afraid that God is dead or can not handle it?

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 9:00pm On May 14
Shepherd00, what is stopping you go ahead to answer to those four questions

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:22pm On May 14
MuttleyLaff:

8/ Two consenting adults not being harmful to an object, neighbour or anyone else is a good and useful thing
9/ Two consenting adults that are in a lifetime or life-long and loyal relationship is a good and useful thing
10/ Two consenting adults that are in a healthy and stable environment for not only having kids but taking good care of them, is a good and useful thing
11/ Two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good and useful thing
12/ Two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure is a good and useful thing
Oga, you are sounding like a broken record already. Do you remember I told you that everything God created is useful to Man and the Universe? By Man, I mean the entire humanity, but all you've been singing is 'Two consenting adults who are useful to themselves'. You have failed to tell me how the world at large benefits from two consenting adults having sex.

Let me tell you from God's perspective how two consenting male and female adults having sex benefits the world.
This is the chiefest of them all; Male and female created he them; And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth...

1. They Obey God by filling the earth with Children.

2. They fill the earth with laughter. Here I am chatting with you. I don't know you personally, but you are keeping me company. You can make me laugh and forget what is burdening me, or can rebuke me and save me from harm. But, what if you father choose a fellow man? You won't be here. He'd ve just enjoyed himself with his partner and destroy you.

3. From one couple who happened to be two consenting adults, we have all manner of people doing different things that benefits the earth. Look at Science and Technology, all the inventions, if it was Adam a Steve the earth wld have died when Adam died at 930yrs.

Has it ever Occurred to you that in this world, we are to give out as we receive? We have each other, enjoy sex with each other, but we must give back children to the earth for it's continuity. You don't just eat and throw the bone away hoping for the best to happen.

MuttleyLaff:

Question already fully answered above, so start getting ready to answer mine too
No, you didn't. You listed the things or ways that consenting adults are useful to themselves, other men in the world and the Universe are not included
Try again.
MuttleyLaff:

They happily fit in 'Go into the World and Multiply and fill the earth with Children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst some, already earlier or along the way have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, that I advised you to google up or like JayZ's mum
Wait, surrogacy fits into Gen. 1:26? This guy never ceases to amaze me with his falsities. When the Lord gave that command how many people were standing before Him? Two men and one woman, or a man and woman?
I hope you know it takes something from a man and woman to make a Child? Why didn't Elton John get his partner impregnated to have their genderless child?
I have read the Bible, am at a loss as I don't see it happening or anyone in the Bible who did it. I only saw polygamy which also involves males and females making children.

Pls help me with a couple in the Bible days who followed God and did this, since homosexuality was very much practiced then.

MuttleyLaff:

The evidence at the following pasted link, https://www.nairaland.com/5095694/esoteric-paths/3#77063501 is proof that I did not pretend I didnt see the questions, that I responded to them and then posted my questions which frightened you scared stiff, you couldnt bring yourself to answer, so you resorted to evasion and shunning them.
I didn't see your mentions. I was expecting your answers until now.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 9:32pm On May 14
Shepherd00:

Why didn't Elton John get his partner impregnated to have their genderless child?
"genderless child" ?

Elton John has paid an emotional tribute to his sons Zachary and Elijah while sharing photos of his two sons.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:56pm On May 14
MuttleyLaff:

Now since I've answered your questions, knuckle down and straight away, go ahead and answer mine. The original first two questions that I coyly threw back at you and the latter other new two questions
1/ Who is Leo Varadkar, and how does Leo Varadkar add to the universe?
2/ Who is Alan Turing, and how did Alan Turing add to the universe and you getting to be using computer, either as on a laptop, PC or smartphone?
You didn't answer my questions Muttley. You only mentioned your usefulness to your homosexual partner, not to God who created you, to humankind and to the Universe. The Universe is not Selfish, everything God gave to it, it gave back to God through Man.
And, looked those names in the Bible, I didn't see them, I am not obliged to talk about some damned Reprobated.
We are Christisns right? And this is a Christian thread, i say we talk scriptures.
MuttleyLaff:

1/ Show the word of God I fasified
.
I have falsified two many in this thread.
Here you go;
Then Joseph fell on his father's face, and wept over him and kissed him. "
- Genesis 50:1
" Greet one another with a kiss of love Peace be to you all who are in Christ "
- 1 Peter 5:14
" All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. "
- 1 Corinthians 16:20

In order to make homosexuality acceptable or scriptural, you misinterpreted these scriptures and gave a false representation of what they are not. You called Joseph and his Father Jacob homosexuals. You called the Christian brethren homosexuals becos they were admonished to greet each with a holy kiss. You know quite well that a holy kiss which greetings by pecking is not tongue sucking/deep throat sexual kissing.

And you said, God supports surrogacy in Gen 1:26.
When you know it's a lie. What do you call these?

MuttleyLaff:

2/ Also, kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what specifically is the sin , in homosexuality and what specifically about homosexuality is an abomination to God and say the cause why the bible states that, thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind is abomination

1. Homosexuality is a sin because God says so.
What ever God calls sin, I call sin. He created the earth and everything in it. He alone has the right to say what is right and wrong and He says it's wrong and detestable to Him, that is what it is.

Having sex with a consenting partner I'm married to hurts no one, as a matter of fact, we enjoy it. not only the sex, but each other's support and company. But God says it's a terrible sin, so. it it.

If, am proud and boastful, how does it hurt anyone? But God says it's a sin, so it is.

2. Homosexuality kills Humanity and the Universe: God created the earth to continue so He created everything to run in circles, Everything. But Homosexuality has no future. It is not productive in anyway.

3. It is debatable because a peni.s is not meant for the anus, but for an elastic cervix so that it could deposit sperms inside a woman's tubes.

4.It is disgusting for a man to have sex with another man.

Or, what God disapproves means nothing to you.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:59pm On May 14
budaatum:

"genderless child" ?

Elton John has paid an emotional tribute to his sons Zachary and Elijah while sharing photos of his two sons.
That sight looks natural to you abi? Ungodliness shall be judged.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 9:59pm On May 14
MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, what is stopping you go ahead to answer to those four questions
because, I can't find them in the Bible.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:10pm On May 14
budaatum:

"Two consenting adults" are "bent on killing the universe and bringing an end to Humanity" in the privacy of their bedroom, Shepherd?

Are you afraid that God is dead or can not handle it?

This is all you saw in my posts. Buda, is Jehovah stupid to create a Male and a.Female? Why didn't God create two pairs of couples male to male, and male to.female.

If there was no female for Elton to do surrogacy, he wld sit there with those damned children?

If God created Elton John with his male Partner and they live their lives in the secrecy of their rooms, they'll die and the world will.die with them.

Do you by any chance mean God is foolish, to have known that a man could. have sex with another man, yet created male and Female people and joined them together?

Oh, Buda, God is not dead and He has handled it already. A sentence has already been carried out, They shall not enter into His Kingdom. Is that clear enough?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:16pm On May 14
MuttleyLatff:
Shepherd00, didn't I say I'll believe it when I see you answer the question. I am not surprised you're not a man to keep to your promise And words. Look at you dodging those four questions again now. I have answered all yours, haven't I?
I am man enough to let you know that as a Christian who opened a Christian thread to discuss Christian matters, you don't have it in you to drag me off my Op.
You have done enough by making it abt your homosexuality already, you won't go further Muttley.

If you have something to say abt the names you posted, go ahead and say it, but if you think you can send me on an errand, then you have something else coming. U shd know I'm not your rabitdog.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 10:20pm On May 14
Shepherd00:

If God created Elton John with his male Partner and they live their lives in the secrecy of their rooms, they'll die and the world will die with them.
The world will die because "Elton John with his male Partner live their lives in the secrecy of their rooms" ? How, Shepherd? Is Elton John and his partner the life of your world that their death will kill the world?

Shepherd00:
Do you by any chance mean God is foolish?
No. I don't "mean God is foolish". But since you ask, and I must confess to wanting to tell you from like post 3 of your's on this your thread but didn't want you to feel insulted; I mean you, Shepherd, are foolish, as you've singularly shown for whoever it may concern to witness on this thread of your's.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 10:27pm On May 14
Shepherd00:

They shall not enter into His Kingdom. Is that clear enough?
I am buda, Shepherd. While you stand at the gate of "His Kingdom" deciding who shall enter or not, I will enter" His gates with thanksgiving in my heart;
I will enter His courts with praise.
I will say this is the day that the Lord has made.
I will rejoice for He has made me glad"!

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 10:52pm On May 14
budaatum:

The world will die because "Elton John with his male Partner live their lives in the secrecy of their rooms" ? How, Shepherd? Is Elton John and his partner the life of your world that their death will kill the world?
If God created Elton John with his Partner in Eden, where do you think the world will be today?


budaatum:

No. I don't "mean God is foolish". But since you ask, and I must confess to wanting to tell you from like post 3 of your's on this your thread but didn't want you to feel insulted; I mean you, Shepherd, are foolish, as you've singularly shown for whoever it may concern to witness on this thread of your's.
Lolzzzzz. I am foolish becos I believe in what God said I should? The Lord shd I shd believe in Him and His Words, I, for that I'm foolish.

By all means , Buda, I agree, I am very foolish. because
this is what the Lord says 1 Corinthians 3:18 -19 If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise, For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

You are the wise one? No sir, you are vain and useless before the Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:25-27 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;


in your quest to think you can know and understand a Spirit by academically studying Him like a Lab Rat, you have become foolish and you tell yourself that God shd not be Believed. I'm surprised you can't see that. Yet you call me who try to believe even when I don't see any proof foolish? Wow Scriptures just got fulfilled here.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1 Corinthians 1:18-21 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

This is it there.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 11:36pm On May 14
budaatum:

I am buda, Shepherd. While you stand at the gate of "His Kingdom" deciding who shall enter or not, I will enter" His gates with thanksgiving in my heart;
I will enter His courts with praise.
I will say this is the day that the Lord has made.
I will rejoice for He has made me glad"!
Except a man be Born Again, he cannot enter Buda. No be for mouth.

The Bible says even if you behave like a homosexual, you no go enter, not to talk of say you be. You know that God hates sin, you don't only do it, but you clap for those who do it.

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Baddiezz(f): 11:20am On May 15
MuttleyLaff:
Good, wear it and all, on your head, like a shrimp then.

No sir, its you, Mr closet and undisclosed homosexual, who desperately wishes I am gay. Being a sexual minority activist, is miles apart from being gay, my friend.

Marriage is a shadow model of a real thing, what's in heaven. I bet you dont know that. Marriage, as a matter of fact, is a union of the soul with God, there is no male or female in heaven, bet you've forgotten about that fact, as well

What miserable & unnecessary lies. Never dialogue with someone who believes their own lies. I have never in my life ever sexually admired a well-turned out male anatomy and/or physique
Can I, imagine myself being getting sexually aroused by another man? Nope, as hell, will need to freeze up first before that will ever happen to me. I am not wired up that way Jose.

"Then Joseph fell on his father's face, and wept over him and kissed him."
- Genesis 50:1

"Greet one another with a kiss of love Peace be to you all who are in Christ"
- 1 Peter 5:14

"All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 1 Corinthians 16:20

I tell you, you're more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles. C'mon, it is to you unhuman, for men to kiss each other now, hmm? SMH. Please tell what sign did Judas give to betray Jesus, huh?

A world without women, will be a pain in the ass, only some will get it. I doubt you would.

Yep, there is one on this page, one who opened and started this thread.

I am not surprised you are because the difference between a brave man and a coward, is, a coward pisses his pant many times over and dies a thousand death before his time but a brave man never tastes death but once

If I had a lower IQ like this displayed by you, maybe I could enjoy this comment and the others like it.

In your fantasy and in your dreams possibly.

Whatever floats your boat

I'll believe it when I see you answer the questions

For the record, and unlike your fictitious and bogus version of events, it was you, on the "Esoteric Paths" thread, who first brought up the question of the usefulness of Homosexuality, and at which I replied and said:

"The ground wont be able to contain it at all, if I am to tell you the usefulness of homosexuality to humans, seeing as God created everything on earth to be useful to both man and the universe, so I will coyly throw the request back at you by asking:
1/ Who is Leo Varadkar, and how does Leo Varadkar add to the universe?
2/ Who is Alan Turing, and how did Alan Turing add to the universe and you getting to be using computer, either as on a laptop, PC or smartphone? "


but unfortunately, your sail ran out of wind, you bottled it, refused and didnt answer the two questions , that were in my reply to yours.

Anyway, as I've already told whats good before, with two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, in a SSR (i.e. same-sex relationship), as in being gay or homosexual partners minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, I dont mind and have no qualms repeating myself here of their usefulnes.

1/ Two consenting adults, who love each other is a good and useful thing
2/ That they enjoy each other’s company is a good and useful thing
3/ They are mutually respectful to each other is a good and useful thing
4/ Two consenting adults, mutually supportive to each other, and even sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them is a good and useful thing
5/ Mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, by two consenting adults is a good and useful thing
6/ Faithful, committed, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime, as in life-long and loyal relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, for two consenting adults is a good and useful thing
7/ Two consenting adults that are not betraying another person, or even, not cheating on another person is a good and useful thing
8/ Two consenting adults not being harmful to an object, neighbour or anyone else is a good and useful thing
9/ Two consenting adults that are in a lifetime or life-long and loyal relationship is a good and useful thing
10/ Two consenting adults that are in a healthy and stable environment for not only having kids but taking good care of them, is a good and useful thing
11/ Two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good and useful thing
12/ Two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure is a good and useful thing

Question already fully answered above, so start getting ready to answer mine too

They happily fit in 'Go into the World and Multiply and fill the earth with Children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst some, already earlier or along the way have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, that I advised you to google up or like JayZ's mum

The evidence at the following pasted link, https://www.nairaland.com/5095694/esoteric-paths/3#77063501 is proof that I did not pretend I didnt see the questions, that I responded to them and then posted my questions which frightened you scared stiff, you couldnt bring yourself to answer, so you resorted to evasion and shunning them.

Now since I've answered your questions, knuckle down and straight away, go ahead and answer mine. The original first two questions that I coyly threw back at you and the latter other new two questions

1/ Who is Leo Varadkar, and how does Leo Varadkar add to the universe?
2/ Who is Alan Turing, and how did Alan Turing add to the universe and you getting to be using computer, either as on a laptop, PC or smartphone?

1/ Show the word of God I fasified
2/ Also, kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what specifically is the sin, in homosexuality and what specifically about homosexuality is an abomination to God and say the cause why the bible states that, thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind is abomination.












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I'm sorry for insulting you
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by jesusjnr(m): 12:43pm On May 15
Baddiezz:
I'm sorry for insulting you
Sorry for insulting him?
Lol!

Trust me you'd soon insult him again, until thy kingdom come, for this guy seems to be a case of nuts.

Look at someone that kept mentioning you since you first mentioned us together in that instance.

Now you've eternally formed a part of his mentioning crew. Lol!

Well he can mention me until the day of his last mentioning me, but knowing him to this extent I'd be a big fool to dignify his mentions with a response until it's beyond doubt that some drastic change has happened to his mind.

God bless you.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 5:25pm On May 15
Baddiezz:
I'm sorry for insulting you
"7For I endure insults for your sake; humiliation is written all over my face.
8Even my own brothers pretend they don’t know me; they treat me like a stranger.
9Passion for your house has consumed me, and the insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.
"
- Psalm 69:7-9

Psalm 69:7-9 above aside, he who allows himself to be insulted deserves to be, so tell, where and when have you being told you insulted me nwanne, huh? Or is this a case of, nothing is more wretched than a guilty conscience huh?

Though Jesus I try not to get insulted, so as not to deny me of the advantage of an opportunity to share knowledge and/or information. This is primarily why I dont get easily upset, I won't be wronged and I won't be insulted. I don't insult, dont do the thing to other people, and I require the same from them.

I learned to forgive those who insult me, attack me, belittle me, and/or take me for granted, so Baddiezz, your sin, already is forgiven, go and sin no more

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 5:26pm On May 15
jesusjnr:
Sorry for insulting him?
Lol!

Trust me you'd soon insult him again, until thy kingdom come, for this guy seems to be a case of nuts.
"God will bless you when others hate you and won't have anything to do with you.
God will bless you when people insult you and say cruel things about you
,
all because you are a follower of the Son of Man.
"
- Luke 6:22

I am a bless person, because Jesus in Luke 6:22 says so, that I am blessed when insulted etcetera

So, now dear Religion forum infamous #1 serial slanderer, I couldn't help but notice that "awesoME" ends with "ME" and "Ugly" starts with "U" It is because of people like you, the reason we have middle fingers.

Insults, by the way, are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position, who are not standing on firm ground and/or who have lost their ground

jesusjnr:
Look at someone that kept mentioning you since you first mentioned us together in that instance.

Now you've eternally formed a part of his mentioning crew. Lol!

Well he can mention me until the day of his last mentioning me, but knowing him to this extent I'd be a big fool to dignify his mentions with a response until it's beyond doubt that some drastic change has happened to his mind.

God bless you.
The vainest person I've ever come to know on the Religion forum has to be you, you're just so up yourself, a nasty little piece of work, creep and a publicity seeker. The fyi and/or fya are just that and nothing more, the mentioning are not for soliciting a response, and definitely not soliciting a response from someone like you, whose roguish opinion(s) is not valued anyway, so stop reading more than necessary into them. The mention(s), as it happens, is merely recommending, to read the posts. It is an opportunity to get education, sense, common sense and sense wiseness from being exposed to the reality, facts and truths it. Reading the mention(s), in secret, is not a crime.

It isnt like, you kill me, when you untrust my facts and cowardly arms covering your face, and sticking fingers in ears hide from them, is it? If only you knew, how insults, never affect me. Even if you insult me and get your satisfaction, if I noticed it, I merely will accept your opinion and just increase my tolerance, there's that. If I am to feel insulted, like I've hinted earlier, I must first value your opinion.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 1:45pm On May 16
But he believes, Shepherd! Even that gays are going to hell like you do, and he quotes scripture. Why do you condemn him? Is he not 'born again' perhaps?

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 2:12pm On May 16
budaatum:
But he believes, Shepherd! Even that gays are going to hell like you do, and he quotes scripture. Why do you condemn him? Is he not 'born again' perhaps?
Who?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 3:12pm On May 16
Shepherd00:

Who?
The person you argue who killed the church with.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 3:17pm On May 16
budaatum:

The person you argue who killed the church with.
By their fruits you shall know them. Out of the heart, the mouth speaks.


A born again Christian saying the Church of Jesus is dead? The Holy Spirit is still on earth, yet the Church is dead? That means he doesn't know who/what the Church is. Maybe he thinks the denomination he attends service is the Church.

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