sino:


Let me help reconstruct the above.

Because homosexuality is natural doesn't mean we should accept it! Moral laws exist because we are intelligent beings and need to regulate our behaviours, we are not animals!

Humans are animals, we share some traits with animals.

Intelligence would mean that you can make reasonable judgments, so I put it to you, homosexuality, the act, is it normal to you? Are you willing to participate in such act? Kindly share your reasons for your answers.

We have evolve in our knowledge to know that Homosexuality is not a threat and it's part of sexual orientation. Homosexuals live like every other humans, they work, eat, have emotions and are intelligent, the only different is the sexual orientation which is not a threat. They deserve to be treated like humans reason some countries are now giving Homosexuals this human rights.

Or do you want them killed? For what exactly?

Yes Homosexuality is normal in this case, it's also normal in some society and no I'm not a gay why should I participated in the act?

Yep, it doesn't matter, so some group of mad people can come together and dictate what is normal to you, you accept what these people have established because you want to be like them or want to be acceptable to them?!

For normal to be effective it has to be intersubjective.

If you are in a country called Maddie where mad people live and have mad constitution, if you violate this mad laws, then you're not acting normal to them. That's how the society run.

You don't have to be like them, your subjective opinion doesn't count in their mad laws, if you have an opinion and want it to be heard, protest it till the large group of the people endorse it.

If normal is based on what 'society' has established and societies differ, why then are you having problems with a normal that is different from the one you have come to accept?!

I don't quite understand this part.

Well, my own normal and that of Muslims isn't an illusion and not dictated by some people, it is divine, thus there is a moral compass that guides, unlike those which are dictated by the whims and desires of themselves and others!

You and Muslims normality is dictated by a deluded ancient Arabia man that's said to be an illiterate that lived in the 7th century.

- Muslims 7th century normalities.

Killing gays is normal
Killing adulterers is normal
Beating wives is normal
Keeping slaves is normal
Killing apostate is normal
Sleeping with children below 10yrs is normal


- Western 21st century normalities.

Killing gays is not normal
Killing adulterers is not normal
Beating wives is not normal
Keeping slaves is not normal
Killing apostates is not normal
Sleeping with children below 18yrs is not normal


You can see how normal is intersubjective and somehow an illusion?

aadoiza:

The point is not about sexual immorality by the organiser; it is about forcing normal people to indulge in their sexual disorder. If the student had been a gay animal I would not have raised the point, geddit?

So you don't have problem with lecturers sleeping with girls in school in threat of failing them?

aadoiza:

With this and comment to which it is replied, tintingz should agree that homosexuality should be unacceptable.

Why??

tintingz:
Why??

He simply rephrased your comment for better understanding. And both his and your comments agree that: Some things might be bad but are natural. so we should use our intelligence to forgo what is bad for good.

tintingz:
So you don't have problem with lecturers sleeping with girls in school in threat of failing them?

I did not say that, tintingz. Someone wrote that they don't force normal people to do it, that was why I shared that story to debunk such myths.

aadoiza:

I did not say that, tintingz. Someone wrote that they don't force normal people to do it, that was why I shared that story to debunk such myths.

What do you mean by normal people?

Some Homosexuals commit crime just as heterosexual people do, So I still don't get your point?

aadoiza:

He simply rephrased your comment for better understanding. And both his and your comments agree that: Some things might be bad but are natural. so we should use our intelligence to forgo what is bad for good.

So what's bad with gays, are they hurting you?

JeromeBlack:


And there you have it folks. Islam supports PEDOPHILIA (marriage of under 17 girls). Islam supports incest (marrying cousins and widowed inlaws)

But God forbid if there is gay marriage. Damn!

What is pedophilia?

How does Islam supports pedophilia?

Islam doesn't support gayism itself before adding marriage to it.

tintingz:


So what's bad with gays, are they hurting you?

You said to use our intelligence to filter bad from good, now use yours.
Oh no, they are not hurting me. But I wonder why the world clamps down on drug abuse when the abuser aren't hurting anyone but themselves.

tintingz:
What do you mean by normal people?

Some Homosexuals commit crime just as heterosexual people do, So I still don't get your point?

Normal people do normal things unlike abnormal people.
We're not talking about crime In generality; we are talking about gay individuals trying to force their sexual perversion on straight people.

aadoiza:

You said to use our intelligence to filter bad from good, now use yours.
Oh no, they are not hurting me. But I wonder why the world clamps down on drug abuse when the abuser aren't hurting anyone but themselves.

Actually drug users are a potential threat to others.

aadoiza:

Normal people do normal things unlike abnormal people.

How do you define normal people?

We're not talking about crime In generality; we are talking about gay individuals trying to force their sexual perversion on straight people.

So when a gay "force" his "sexual perversion" on someone, he's not violating the law?

What you're saying is a crime in general, raping is a crime, I don't know what point you want to make from this?

aadoiza:

You said to use our intelligence to filter bad from good, now use yours.
Oh no, they are not hurting me. But I wonder why the world clamps down on drug abuse when the abuser aren't hurting anyone but themselves.

Drug users are threats to other people e.g someone on drug driving is a threat to others, someone on drug holding a gun is a threat to others.

When one is on drug he/she will not be in his/her right sense, they are mostly aggressive and violent in this state.

Rashduct4luv:


What is pedophilia?

How does Islam supports pedophilia?

Islam doesn't support gayism itself before adding marriage to it.

Pedophilia-support is in the Islamic texts.

E.g your Prophet sleeping with a little girl.

tintingz:
Pedophilia-support is in the Islamic texts.

E.g your Prophet sleeping with a little girl.

So the lady's parents accepted pedophilia for their child abi?

Rashduct4luv:


So the lady's parents accepted pedophilia for their child abi?

Sleeping with children was seen as normal thing in the 7th century.

tintingz:
Sleeping with children was seen as normal thing in the 7th century.

Is it scientifically/Atheistically correct to judge 7th century system with 21st Century atheistic brain?

Rashduct4luv:


What is pedophilia?

How does Islam supports pedophilia?

Islam doesn't support gayism itself before adding marriage to it.

Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.


Islam does not rule against marrying 12 to 16 year old girls.

Rashduct4luv:



Is it scientifically/Atheistically correct to judge 7th century system with 21st Century atheistic brain?

It's not about judging anything, why is it illegal today to sleep with underage children, What led to that development?

Is it something we realize it's not normal?

JeromeBlack:


Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) [b]is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[/b]


Islam does not rule against marrying 12 to 16 year old girls.

Does "marrying" a 12-16 year old lady mean Paedophilia?

Rashduct4luv:


Does "marrying" a 12-16 year old lady mean Paedophilia?

12 to 16 year old girls are now ladies?

Pedophile!

tintingz:


It's not about judging anything, why is it illegal today to sleep with underage children, What led to that development?

Is it something we realize it's not normal?

Answering Question with question.

Is it scientifically/Atheistically correct to judge 7th century system with 21st century atheistic brain?

JeromeBlack:


12 to 16 year old girls are now ladies?

Pedophile!

Atheist have no moral code. You call me a pedophile just because i called a 12-16yrs lady and yet you defined

Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

Rashduct4luv:


Psychology and Prophetic medicine.

Hahaha.

Is it not the same prophetic medicine that point to fever as coming from hell and recommend exorcism for scorpion sting?

Rashduct4luv:


Answering Question with question.

Is it scientifically/Atheistically correct to judge 7th century system with 21st century atheistic brain?

This question is ridiculous.

Yes scientifically we can judge with fact that sleeping with children has terrible consequences.

Now answer my question above.

Rashduct4luv:


Atheist have no moral code. You call me a pedophile just because i called a 12-16yrs lady and yet you defined

Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

There is no moral code in atheism. But there are many moral philosophies under secular liberal thought.

One of them is humanism. Secular humanism.

You wouldn't know this because you only know Islamic jurisprudence

tintingz:
Drug users are threats to other people e.g someone on drug driving is a threat to others, someone on drug holding a gun is a threat to others.

When one is on drug he/she will not be in his/her right sense, they are mostly aggressive and violent in this state.

Are you saying those on codeine diet are dangers to people around them? I'm not talking of cocaine oo..

tintingz:
How do you define normal people?


So when a gay "force" his "sexual perversion" on someone, he's not violating the law?

What you're saying is a crime in general, raping is a crime, I don't know what point you want to make from this?

Normal thing, for example, is to drink water through the mouth but if you do so through the nostrils it becomes a normal.

You're mixing things up badly. You should understand why the comment was made before lumping everything together.

Gay spokespeople: they don't force anyone Into homosexuality

Me: a gay guy refused a room mate of mine entry into a competition because he refused to budge on his sexual perversion advances.

Gay spokespeople made a claim and I countered it.

sarahade:


Actually drug users are a potential threat to others.

So tramadol users are potential threats to others?

JeromeBlack:


There is no moral code in atheism. But there are many moral philosophies under secular liberal thought.

One of them is humanism. Secular humanism.

You wouldn't know this because you only know Islamic jurisprudence

I don't wish to know. Bye.

usermane:


Hahaha.

Is it not the same prophetic medicine that point to fever as coming from hell and recommend exorcism for scorpion sting?

So?

aadoiza:


Normal thing, for example, is to drink water through the mouth but if you do so through the nostrils it becomes a normal.

If people drink water through the nostrils and it works for them, is it not normal for them?

You're mixing things up badly. You should understand why the comment was made before lumping everything together.

[quote]Gay spokespeople: they don't force anyone Into homosexuality

Me: a gay guy refused a room mate of mine entry into a competition because he refused to budge on his sexual perversion advances.

Gay spokespeople made a claim and I countered it.

Was the premise talking about a community or individual gay person?