https://www.nairaland.com/5667107/why-there-resurrection/5#86449495
shadeyinka, I have as promised, at the above seen link, provided you a humble detailed breakdown and the functional dynamics between the body, soul and spirit, lol. Now I suppose here is the juncture, I guess, where you put on the high collar, dark colour cloak and bring out the daggers, lol.

I understand and can see you tussling with Peacefullove, as you seem having reservations on what the distinction(s) are between grave, Sheol and paradise. I equally can shed light on this for you if so request I do.

PS: Thank you Politics moderator for unhiding that post

shadeyinka:

I do not think that the capitalized word in Ezekiel connote DEATH. For satan is not made up of Carbon atoms hence cannot become Ashes. The scripture paint the picture of permanent humiliation and demotion of satan. Devour means destroy not annihilation.





I had assumed you were a Jehovah's Witness and I saw that some of your answers were inconsistent with JW's doctrine hence my questions to you. Your answer has now confirmed that you are not a JW.

The main difference in our ideologies is that
1. You seem to believe in annihilation of erring beings at Judgement: I do not.
For me, all spirits apart from God has a beginning but no end.
2. I don't know if you believe that consciousness exist at physical death.

Other than this, I'll give you a summary of my understanding of the difference between a spirit, soul and body

You are confusing and contradicting yourself.

"Devour means destroy not annihilation."
To Destroy means to annihilate.

(verb) in the sense of destroy
to engulf and destroy
See examples for synonyms
Definition
Synonyms
destroy
spend
waste
consume
wipe out
ravage
annihilate

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-thesaurus/devour


The problem is that you are trying to fit God's word to suit your preconceived ideas which is wrong.
rather you should change your idea to suit God's word.

The Bible is clear ONLY God has immortality that means every other living thing can die except God. that includes Angels the Devil and Demons.

You are sounding like you are God who made Angels and know that they don't have an end?

Can you show me one bible verse that says Angels cannot not die?


Show me were in the Bible it is written that their is consciousness after death?

shadeyinka:

I do not think that the capitalized word in Ezekiel connote DEATH. For satan is not made up of Carbon atoms hence cannot become Ashes. The scripture paint the picture of permanent humiliation and demotion of satan. Devour means destroy not annihilation.





I had assumed you were a Jehovah's Witness and I saw that some of your answers were inconsistent with JW's doctrine hence my questions to you. Your answer has now confirmed that you are not a JW.

The main difference in our ideologies is that
1. You seem to believe in annihilation of erring beings at Judgement: I do not.
For me, all spirits apart from God has a beginning but no end.
2. I don't know if you believe that consciousness exist at physical death.

Other than this, I'll give you a summary of my understanding of the difference between a spirit, soul and body

KJV Dictionary Definition:
devour
devour
DEVOUR, v.t. L., to eat.
1. To eat up; to eat with greediness; to eat
ravenously, as a beast of prey, or as a
hungry man.
We will say, some evil beast hath
devoured him. Genesis 37.
In the morning, he shall devour the
prey. Genesis 49.
2. To destroy; to consume with rapidity and
violence.
I will send a fire into the house of
Hazael, which shall devour the palaces
of Ben-Hadad. Amos 1.
Famine and pestilence shall devour
him. Ezekiel 7.
3. To destroy; to annihilate; to consume.
He seemed in swiftness to devour the
way.
4. To waste; to consume; to spend in
dissipation and riot.
As soon as this thy son had come, who
hath devoured thy living with harlots.
Luke 15.
5. To consume wealth and substance by
fraud, oppression, or illegal exactions.
Ye devour widows houses. Matthew
23.
6. To destroy spiritually; to ruin the soul.
Your adversary, the devil, as a roaring
lion, walketh about, seeking whom he
may devour. 1 Peter 5.
7. To slay.
The sword shall devour the young
lions. Nahum 2.
8. To enjoy with avidity.
Longing they look, and gaping at the
sight, devour her oer and oer with vast
delight.
devoured
DEVOURED, pp. Eaten; swallowed with
greediness; consumed; destroyed; wasted; slain.
devourer
DEVOURER, n. One who devours; he or that
which eats, consumes or destroys; he that preys
on.
devouring
DEVOURING, ppr. Eating greedily; consuming;
wasting; destroying; annihilating.
devouringly
DEVOURINGLY, adv. In a devouring manner.

shadeyinka:

Although the post you referenced was a response to blueAgent (doesn't apply to you:as I see that he differs from the main JW doctrine), you have raised an issue which your doctrinal position has locked you in.

From your response:
1. God's spirit is alive (supernatural being)
2. Angel's spirits are alive (supernatural beings)
3. Demon's spirits are alive (supernatural beings)
BUT
4. Human spirit is NOT alive: it is simply a life force!

Do you think the last conclusion (4) represent your view?

You are really confused.

Human spirit can mean the human mind or Life force (breathe).

shadeyinka:

Thank you Mr Janosky for coming to bail out your friend Peacefullove. Unfortunately, you did not answer the question. You have only objected to the use of life giving force and you claim it should be life force . I do not intend the assert the similarity or differences so, the question again


I asked you again:
If angels are spirits (life giving force) , what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a body?
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his physical body)


So, the offensive word has been removed. If the life force of a man give life to the physical body, what does the life force of a spirit give life?

Thanks for your understanding

You are assuming that since they are spirits they have life inherently.
If that was so they would not have been created by God, they would have been self existent.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has
granted the Son to have life in Himself,

Colossians1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in
heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created
by him, and for him:


1 Timothy 6:16.
who alone has immortality, dwelling in
unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or
can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power.
Amen.

blueAgent:



You are really confused.

Human spirit can mean the human mind or Life force (breathe).

So, human spirit is the same as human soul?

blueAgent:


KJV Dictionary Definition:
devour
devour
DEVOUR, v.t. L., to eat.
1. To eat up; to eat with greediness; to eat
ravenously, as a beast of prey, or as a
hungry man.
We will say, some evil beast hath
devoured him. Genesis 37.
In the morning, he shall devour the
prey. Genesis 49.
2. To destroy; to consume with rapidity and
violence.
I will send a fire into the house of
Hazael, which shall devour the palaces
of Ben-Hadad. Amos 1.
Famine and pestilence shall devour
him. Ezekiel 7.
3. To destroy; to annihilate; to consume.
He seemed in swiftness to devour the
way.
4. To waste; to consume; to spend in
dissipation and riot.
As soon as this thy son had come, who
hath devoured thy living with harlots.
Luke 15.
5. To consume wealth and substance by
fraud, oppression, or illegal exactions.
Ye devour widows houses. Matthew
23.
6. To destroy spiritually; to ruin the soul.
Your adversary, the devil, as a roaring
lion, walketh about, seeking whom he
may devour. 1 Peter 5.
7. To slay.
The sword shall devour the young
lions. Nahum 2.
8. To enjoy with avidity.
Longing they look, and gaping at the
sight, devour her oer and oer with vast
delight.
devoured
DEVOURED, pp. Eaten; swallowed with
greediness; consumed; destroyed; wasted; slain.
devourer
DEVOURER, n. One who devours; he or that
which eats, consumes or destroys; he that preys
on.
devouring
DEVOURING, ppr. Eating greedily; consuming;
wasting; destroying; annihilating.
devouringly
DEVOURINGLY, adv. In a devouring manner.

Other shades of the word devour

Mat 23:14: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and pray at length as a pretense. Therefore you shall receive the greater condemnation."

Luk 15:30: "But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your living with harlots, you have killed for him the fattened calf."

Ps 78:45: "He sent different kinds of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them."

Isa 1:7: "Your land [is] wasted, your cities burned with fire. Strangers devour your land right before your eyes, and [it is] wasted, as overthrown by strangers."

Isa 9:12: "the Syrians in front and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand [is] stretched out still."

Jer 51:34: "Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon has devoured me; he has crushed me; he has made me an empty vessel. He has swallowed me up like a jackal; he has filled his belly with good things; he has thrown me out;"

Lam 4:11: "The LORD has fulfilled His fury; He has poured out His fierce anger, and has kindled a fire in Zion, and it has devoured its foundations."

Ezek 22:25: "A plot [by] her prophets [is] in her midst, like a roaring lion tearing the prey. They have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they multiplied her many widows in her midst."

blueAgent:



You are assuming that since they are spirits they have life inherently.
If that was so they would not have been created by God, they would have been self existent.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has
granted the Son to have life in Himself,

Colossians1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in
heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created
by him, and for him:


1 Timothy 6:16.
who alone has immortality, dwelling in
unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or
can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power.
Amen.

It seems you do not understand my question.

I said:

If angels are spirits (life giving force) , what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a body?
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his physical body)

The spirit of man is supposed to give life to his body:
What does the spirit of an angel give life to?

blueAgent:



You are really confused.

Human spirit can mean the human mind or Life force (breathe).

Human spirit is different from human mind!

BTW, I was referring to a JW of which you are not. The items 1-4 was meant for a JW who see the human spirit as an inanimate thing (a life force)

From your (JW) response:
1. God's spirit is alive (supernatural being)
2. Angel's spirits are alive (supernatural beings)
3. Demon's spirits are alive (supernatural beings)
BUT
4. Human spirit is NOT alive: it is simply a life force!

Do you think the last conclusion (4) represent your view?

How come every other spirit is living and only man's spirit is non living life force?

The above is my question to the JW

blueAgent:


You are confusing and contradicting yourself.

"Devour means destroy not annihilation."
To Destroy means to annihilate.

(verb) in the sense of destroy
to engulf and destroy
See examples for synonyms
Definition
Synonyms
destroy
spend
waste
consume
wipe out
ravage
annihilate

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-thesaurus/devour


The problem is that you are trying to fit God's word to suit your preconceived ideas which is wrong.
rather you should change your idea to suit God's word.

The Bible is clear ONLY God has immortality that means every other living thing can die except God. that includes Angels the Devil and Demons.

You are sounding like you are God who made Angels and know that they don't have an end?

Can you show me one bible verse that says Angels cannot not die?


Show me were in the Bible it is written that their is consciousness after death?

Annihilate is just one out of seven synonyms. It therefore cannot be the only definition for devour!

A human being is a body, a soul and a spirit.
If angels are spirit and soul yet conscious
What make you think that a human being devoid of only his body is unconscious?

Mat 22:32:
"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

What do you think Jesus was teaching with the scripture below?
Luk 16:23:
"And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

For it looks like Jesus believe in continuous existence after death.

If God is a God of justice, should he judge satan for rebelling against Him and sowing great evil in the universe?

shadeyinka:

Human spirit is different from human mind!

BTW, I was referring to a JW of which you are not. The items 1-4 was meant for a JW who see the human spirit as an inanimate thing (a life force)

From your (JW) response:
1. God's spirit is alive (supernatural being)
2. Angel's spirits are alive (supernatural beings)
3. Demon's spirits are alive (supernatural beings)
BUT
4. Human spirit is NOT alive: it is simply a life force!

Do you think the last conclusion (4) represent your view?

How come every other spirit is living and only man's spirit is non living life force?

The above is my question to the JW

Cos your understanding of the subject is low , that of man is " Spirit of life " . Present in animals too, also called " breath of life "

That's why when Jesus commend his Spirit to his Father, it was his breath not he himself.

shadeyinka:

Annihilate is just one out of seven synonyms. It therefore cannot be the only definition for devour!

A human being is a body, a soul and a spirit.
If angels are spirit and soul yet conscious
What make you think that a human being devoid of only his body is unconscious?

Mat 22:32:
"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

The text says " Concerning the RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD " . Is that not what started that statement ?? Why did you dubiously remove it ? Liar , Jesus was reffering to their hope of ressurection not some mythical ghost .

What do you think Jesus was teaching with the scripture below?
Luk 16:23:
"And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

For it looks like Jesus believe in continuous existence after death.

If God is a God of justice, should he judge satan for rebelling against Him and sowing great evil in the universe?

If I ask you now that HUMAN BODY goes to hell ? U will start to vomit. This story doesn't support your propaganda.


Funny thing is even Lazarus wasn't buried , I wonder why angels don't carry dead bodies of righteous people today

Peacefullove:


I claim, Did I prove it or not ?

If Jesus isn't a materialized spirit,
Do you accept he will Xcrete the Fish he ate ?

I gave proof, don't call it claim but FACT



Bible didn't say .

But he didn't materialize with that body. FaCT .

Show me one single instance he was recognized FACIALLY ? Proving he appeared with unfamiliar faces




Do you know what it means to Materialize ? If only your senses could imagine how Angels who came to earth get to have penis . You would know a materialized spirit can have any marks they want.


a glorified body has no Defect . Jesus can't have wounds .



There is a difference between having Spirit of life and being a Spirit person.

Go back to that Jesus question on what happened the moment he commit his Spirit to his father to get the difference .

There are earthly bodies and there are heavenly bodies . And you still claim angels don't have body ? Spiritual body.

That differentiate them from a person having Spirit of life



Spirit of life means breath of life .

Soul = Body + breath of life . ( gen 2:7)


According to your post which I highlighted you equate Soul/spirit with breath of life .

Exposing you

Shadeyinka, respond to this and tell us why Jesus was never recognized FACIALLY by any of his disciples since according to your propaganda he ressurect with the same body they have always known. Yet they always mistaken him for another person


Then did he excrete the feaces of that fish he ate since he wasn't Materialized but real human according to your propaganda ?



Also , Do u admit spirit of life is same as Breath of life ?


Lastly, what is the human spirit that return to the Father when Jesus died ?

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/5667107/why-there-resurrection/5#86449495
shadeyinka, I have as promised, at the above seen link, provided you a humble detailed breakdown and the functional dynamics between the body, soul and spirit, lol. Now I suppose here is the juncture, I guess, where you put on the high collar, dark colour cloak and bring out the daggers, lol.

I understand and can see you tussling with Peacefullove, as you seem having reservations on what the distinction(s) are between grave, Sheol and paradise. I equally can shed light on this for you if so request I do.

PS: Thank you Politics moderator for unhiding that post

I do not think I have any reservations about the definitions even though I'll read the supplied link

Grave:
A location where a corpse is buried
In the old testament, sometimes the Sheol is treated as the grave
Sheol:
A place where the dead stay before resurrection. It is thought that Sheol is divided into two compartments "Hell" and "Abraham's Bossom/Paradise"
Paradise:
The place where righteous people go at death
The place where resurrected righteous people stay

MuttleyLaff:




There you have it all shadeyinka, a detailed breakdown and the functional dynamics between the body, soul and spirit, lol. Now I suppose here is the juncture, where you bring out the daggers, lol

I read your lengthy post and I agree with most except these two major ones I'm going to mention
1. Man isn't a spirit that has a soul encapsulated in a body. (I used to Believe such as that was what we were taught in church)

Man is a essentially a soul with a physical body and a spiritual body.
The soul of man determines how healthy his body or soul will be by the nature of what he feeds them. When the Soul feeds on the word of God, it results into Faith (in the spirit) etc. Essentially every human being has three identities
1. Physical Identity (BODY)
2. Self Identity (SOUL)
3. Spiritual Identity (SPIRIT)

2. A demon is NOT soulless!
Angels have a dual identity (spirit and soul)
Demons have dual identity (spirit and soul)
Animals have dual identities (body and soul)

The soul is our personal identity that defines our Will, Emotion and Intellect.

The only reason why demons cannot be saved is that atonement through the blood of Christ was not shed for them. Demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel "DNA". They are neither human nor are they angels. By nature because of their ancestry they are purely evil.

A soulless being is a being who is emotionless. Demons are fearful, arrogant, stubborn and sometimes trickery. You can see this from the scriptures or with personal experience if you have ever conducted a deliverance.

Thanks

blueAgent:


You are confused.
Check my blog for articles on trinity.

Earth is the home of the righteous but God promised that he would recreate the Heavens and the Earth.
The righteous would have access to both Earth and Heaven just like Adam and Eve had before the sinned.

It was sin that separated Heaven from Earth.
Jesus is right to promise his followers Heaven as well as Earth because the righteous would have free access to both.

Please where in the Bible is it written that "Adam and Eve had ACCESS to both Heaven and Earth?"

Because God created Heaven and Earth, and it was clear enough that earth was the place given to man!

shadeyinka:



Thank you Mr Janosky for coming to bail out your friend Peacefullove. Unfortunately, you did not answer the question. You have only objected to the use of life giving force and you claim it should be life force . I do not intend the assert the similarity or differences so, the question again


I asked you again:
If angels are spirits (life giving force) , what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a body?
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his physical body)


So, the offensive word has been removed. If the life force of a man give life to the physical body, what does the life force of a spirit give life?

Thanks for your understanding

Please don't misquote me or assign your own views as if I said so.....
**Note: Life giving force or life force, it's the same thing> "breathe of life" /"spirit of Eccl12:7, Psalms 104:29-30,Job27:2-3.. (Just as Mariah is the same as Marie). I NEVER objected to that..
Without breathe of life,can any creature exist?
************
Have I ever said Angel don't have body?
I NEVER said that.
Yahweh is a spirit= Spirit being/body in the spiritual realm. Likewise ,angels are spirits= spirit bodies/beings in the spiritual realm.
****************
The life giving force in angels perform same function as the life giving in men...
Angels are NOT immortal., Rebellious angels are subject to destruction Jude 1:6-7. Rom16:20. 1Cor 6:3.
Only the invisible true God, the Source of Life,Yahweh is Immortal. 1Tim1:17.Psalm90:2.

I do not dodge answering questions unlike you

Peacefullove:


Shadeyinka, respond to this and tell us why Jesus was never recognized FACIALLY by any of his disciples since according to your propaganda he ressurect with the same body they have always known. Yet they always mistaken him for another person

Mark 16:9-11: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Mag´dalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not."

Who did Mary tell the disciples she saw?

Mark 16:12-13: "After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them."

Who did these two disciples say they saw?

Peacefullove:

Then did he excrete the feaces of that fish he ate since he wasn't Materialized but real human according to your propaganda ?

An extremely dumb question that is only worthy of a toddler.

You know MR_NIGER_D!?
You should have made it complete!

Peacefullove:

Also , Do u admit spirit of life is same as Breath of life ?

Not necessarily!

Rom 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Peacefullove:

Lastly, what is the human spirit that return to the Father when Jesus died ?

Meaningless question!

Janosky:



Please don't misquote me or assign your own views as if I said so.....
**Note: Life giving force or life force, it's the same thing> "breathe of life" /"spirit of Eccl12:7, Psalms 104:29-30,Job27:2-3.. (Just as Mariah is the same as Marie). I NEVER objected to that..
Without breathe of life,can any creature exist?
************

You are overflogging the difference between life giving forece and life force and I have removed the offending word and inserted physical to clarify "body"

I asked you again:
If angels are spirits (life giving force) , what is their spirit giving life since they don't have a physical body?
(Note: At least it could make sense to say that the life giving force of a man gives life to his physical body)

Janosky:

Have I ever said Angel don't have body?
I NEVER said that.
Yahweh is a spirit= Spirit being/body in the spiritual realm. Likewise ,angels are spirits= spirit bodies/beings in the spiritual realm.
****************

Are you saying that angels spirits are their spiritual bodies?
Please clarify!

Janosky:

The life giving force in angels perform same function as the life giving in men...

Here you confuse me again.

If the life giving force in angels perform same function as the life giving in men, what does the giving force in angels give life (for humans, the life giving force is acclaimed by JWs to give life to the physical body)

Janosky:

Angels are NOT immortal., Rebellious angels are subject to destruction Jude 1:6-7. Rom16:20. 1Cor 6:3.
Only the invisible true God, the Source of Life,Yahweh is Immortal. 1Tim1:17.Psalm90:2.

Rom16:20. 1Cor 6:3 has nothing to do with destruction of angels

Jude 1:6:
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

I don't know any other meaning of everlasting! In fact, those angels are currently in chains (past tense):

Double post

Double post

Double post

shadeyinka:
I read your lengthy post and I agree with most except these two major ones I'm going to mention

If I am to be honest and be frankly speaking, I dont think, you enough, in a very careful and thorough way, read the detailed lengthy post

shadeyinka:
1. Man isn't a spirit that has a soul encapsulated in a body. (I used to Believe such as that was what we were taught in church)

MuttleyLaff:
I dont have opinion(s) about what is a Soul and what is a Spirit but I do have irrefutable facts on what each is and can give a rundown as well on what each is

shadeyinka, you are soul, because when God formed Adam from dust, Adam became a living soul not by God adding soul to Adam, but it is because of the breath of the spirit of life that he became a living soul. Without the breath of the spirit of life, Adam would have showed no sign of life. He would have been as good as a mannequin or be a glorified scarecrow, just be a lifeless soul, lol

shadeyinka:
Man is a essentially a soul with a physical body and a spiritual body.
The soul of man determines how healthy his body or soul will be by the nature of what he feeds them. When the Soul feeds on the word of God, it results into Faith (in the spirit) etc. Essentially every human being has three identities
1. Physical Identity (BODY)
2. Self Identity (SOUL)
3. Spiritual Identity (SPIRIT)

=>(check) ✓ ^5.5/₁₀

shadeyinka:
2. A demon is NOT soulless!
Angels have a dual identity (spirit and soul)
Demons have dual identity (spirit and soul)
Animals have dual identities (body and soul)

=>(check) x ⁰/₁₀

shadeyinka:
The soul is our personal identity that defines our Will, Emotion and Intellect.

=>(check) ✓ ¹⁰/₁₀

shadeyinka:
The only reason why demons cannot be saved is that atonement through the blood of Christ was not shed for them.

Why wasnt/isnt the atonement through the blood of Christ was not shed for demons shadeyinka, hmm?.

shadeyinka:
Demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel "DNA".

[img]https://s5/images/tenor4bfeeebd3f9d85f5.gif[/img]
Smh. You think it was clever and would make you look smart dropping the word "DNA" down, just like that, isnt it shadeyinka?
What is "DNA" if I might ask, hmm? How is "DNA" related to demons, huh? What connection does "DNA" have with demons?

shadeyinka, you whimsically typed, that "demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel".
1/ What came first, the demon or fallen angel?
2/ What is the difference between demon and fallen angel shadeyinka?
3/ How can "demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel" possibly be true shadeyinka, hmm?
4/ Do you know of fallen angels between themselves ever reproducing another offspring fallen angel, hmm shadeyinka?
5/ If No, is your reply to #4 above, then how is it possible for fallen angels to engage in producing a hybrid then, erhn?
6/ shadeyinka, do you agree and/or accept that because fallen angels havent got a physical body, then it is impossible for them to commit the sexual sin of the flesh, hmm?

shadeyinka:
They are neither human nor are they angels

"Then He will say to those on His left,
‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
- Matthew 25:41

shadeyinka, fyi, fallen angels are, coup plotters celestial angelic host of heaven, who after the failed attempt to seize/gain power in heaven, got irreversibly transformed into demons. They were angels of God to start with, but are now angels of the devil.

shadeyinka:
By nature because of their ancestry they are purely evil

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How do you mean by ancestry?

shadeyinka:
A soulless being is a being who is emotionless. Demons are fearful, arrogant, stubborn and sometimes trickery. You can see this from the scriptures or with personal experience if you have ever conducted a deliverance.
Thanks

"Now, the reason why the devil and the demons are inredeemable is because of the fact that they have no souls. The devil and the demons, are not able to be saved, be improved, or be corrected because of the mere fact that they lack a soul. The devil and the demons, to start with, unlike human beings, havent got diddly squat souls to make better, to improve upon, to make more desirable, satisfactory and/or effective."
- Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40am On Feb 07 2020

shadeyinka, I previously and more than once have stated that demons dont have souls, but can you see how inconsistent you are and how you contradict yourself, hmm? One minute you type: "Demons have dual identity (spirit and soul)" and soon after you type: "soulless being" for demon. Make up your mind shadeyinka, have demons souls or they are soulless, lol?

Maximus69:


Please where in the Bible is it written that "Adam and Eve had ACCESS to both Heaven and Earth?"

Because God created Heaven and Earth, and it was clear enough that earth was the place given to man!

Blue Agent, i hate blind argument, if you can just quote somewhere from Genesis to Revelation that has to do with Adam and Eve having ACCESS to both Heaven and Earth. I'll be glad, because this post took me almost a week to reply.

WHY?

I went to make a research through my Bible to verify what you said perhaps there is something of that nature mentioned in any part of the Bible, but i couldn't find any!

Maximus69:
BlueAgent, i hate blind argument, if you can just quote somewhere from Genesis to Revelation that has to do with Adam and Eve having ACCESS to both Heaven and Earth. I'll be glad, because this post took me almost a week to reply.

WHY?

I went to make a research through my Bible to verify what you said perhaps there is something of that nature mentioned in any part of the Bible, but i couldn't find any!

Maximus69, as you are now, do you have access to heaven? Do you have access to God's throne of grace? Before the fall from grace, A&E had direct and/or unmetered access to God before, is all blueAgent is saying and/or advancing as a biblical fact and truth, thats all.

MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69, as you are now, do you have access to heaven? Do you have access to God's throne of grace? Before the fall from grace, A&E had direct and/or unmetered access to God before, is all blueAgent is saying and/or advancing as a biblical fact and truth, thats all.

In the beginning, neither Adam nor Even need access to heaven because JEHOVAH often visit them from time to time. Genesis 3:8

Everything they needed was here on Earth with them, the only reason why most people are eager to have access to another place (heaven) today is because they're tired of the conditions we have here.

But that wasn't how it started, in the beginning everything here was perfect! Genesis 1:31

Maximus69:
In the beginning, neither Adam nor Even need access to heaven because JEHOVAH often visit them from time to time. Genesis 3:8

Everything they needed was here on Earth with them, the only reason why most people are eager to have access to another place (heaven) today is because they're tired of the conditions we have here.

Why couldnt you get yourself to answer if as you are now, do you have access to heaven? Do you have access to God's throne of grace? Hmm? Do you find it uncomfortable a question to ask ni? Is it because you'll get to learn home truths from answering it, is why you decided not to respond to it, lol, hmm?

Maximus69:
But that wasn't how it started, in the beginning everything here was perfect! Genesis 1:31

1/ Everything here was perfect/good! Genesis 1:31 Maximus69 bar one thing, one couple and because of that one couple everything went topsy-turvy upside down and back to a state of confusion
2/ I dont see anyone anywhere in the bible, stating that A&E were good/perfect Maximus69, or do you?
2b/ I see the commentary "and it was good" associated with and/or assigned to each at every stage/day of creation, but never read/heard similar said about or done to A&E. Why leave out "and it was good" when it got to Adam and Eve's turn of creation, hmm Maximus69?
3/ Perfection, in a simplest definition, means, cant be improved upon. Would you agree and/or accept that definition of perfection, hmm Maximus69?

MuttleyLaff:
If I am to be honest and be frankly speaking, I dont think, you enough, in a very careful and thorough way, read the detailed lengthy post

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Why wasnt/isnt the atonement through the blood of Christ was not shed for demons shadeyinka, hmm?.

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Smh. You think it was clever and would make you look smart dropping the word "DNA" down, just like that, isnt it shadeyinka?
What is "DNA" if I might ask, hmm? How is "DNA" related to demons, huh? What connection does "DNA" have with demons?

shadeyinka, you whimsically typed, that "demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel".
1/ What came first, the demon or fallen angel?
2/ What is the difference between demon and fallen angel shadeyinka?
3/ How can "demons are hybrid of human and fallen angel" possibly be true shadeyinka, hmm?
4/ Do you know of fallen angels between themselves ever reproducing another offspring fallen angel, hmm shadeyinka?
5/ If No, is your reply to #4 above, then how is it possible for fallen angels to engage in producing a hybrid then, erhn?
6/ shadeyinka, do you agree and/or accept that because fallen angels havent got a physical body, then it is impossible for them to commit the sexual sin of the flesh, hmm?

"Then He will say to those on His left,
‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
- Matthew 25:41

shadeyinka, fyi, fallen angels are, coup plotters celestial angelic host of heaven, who after the failed attempt to seize/gain power in heaven, got irreversibly transformed into demons. They were angels of God to start with, but are now angels of the devil.

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How do you mean by ancestry?

"Now, the reason why the devil and the demons are inredeemable is because of the fact that they have no souls. The devil and the demons, are not able to be saved, be improved, or be corrected because of the mere fact that they lack a soul. The devil and the demons, to start with, unlike human beings, havent got diddly squat souls to make better, to improve upon, to make more desirable, satisfactory and/or effective."
- Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40am On Feb 07 2020

shadeyinka, I previously and more than once have stated that demons dont have souls, but can you see how inconsistent you are and how you contradict yourself, hmm? One minute you type: "Demons have dual identity (spirit and soul)" and soon after you type: "soulless being" for demon. Make up your mind shadeyinka, have demons souls or they are soulless, lol?

I am sure you know I don't have to agree with you in anyway. My knowledge and experience is different from yours.

I will only comment on the second item.

1. There is a difference between fallen angels and demons.
2. When fallen angels copulated with daughters of men, they gave birth to Nephilims. Nephilims are therefore hybrids of human and fallen angel. Neither are they whole human nor angels
3. The souls/spirit of Nephilims are earthbound and cannot go to Sheol and because they were once physical flesh, they desire to find expression in living beings

Gen 6:4: "The NEPHILIM were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God had sexual intercourse with the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

Num 13:33: "We also saw the Nephilim, {Cf. Gen 6:4} the descendants of Anak. Compared to the Nephilim, as we see things, we're like grasshoppers, and that's their opinion of us!""

4. Fallen angels do not possess a physical body nor do they need one to have their expression.
5. Jesus referred to demons as unclean spirits
6. Their fearful nature during actual deliverances make one believe that these are less than angels.
7. The classes of fallen angels are well spelt out
Eph 6:11-12: "Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

These are the ones we wrestle with.

We don't wrestle with demons, we cast them out. Demons are spiritual equivalents of disease causing microbes to human beings.

If you have had just one opportunity to cast out demons, you'll understand these. If all you have is theoretically knowledge, I understand. I was once in the same shoes.

Point of correction:
You were the one who said demons are soulless; not me!

MuttleyLaff:
Why couldnt you get yourself to answer if as you are now, do you have access to heaven? Do you have access to God's throne of grace? Hmm? Do you find it uncomfortable a question to ask ni? Is it because you'll get to learn home truths from answering it, is why you decided not to respond to it, lol, hmm?

1/ Everything here was perfect/good! Genesis 1:31 Maximus69 bar one thing, one couple and because of that one couple everything went topsy-turvy upside down and back to a state of confusion
2/ I dont see anyone anywhere in the bible, stating that A&E were good/perfect Maximus69, or do you?
2b/ I see the commentary "and it was good" associated with and/or assigned to each at every stage/day of creation, but never read/heard similar said about or done to A&E. Why leave out "and it was good" when it got to Adam and Eve's turn of creation, hmm Maximus69?
3/ Perfection, in a simplest definition, means, cant be improved upon. Would you agree and/or accept that definition of perfection, hmm Maximus69?

I don't waste my time on irrelevant questions!

What the other guy said is "Adam and Eve had access to both Heaven and Earth".

That was to correlate the idea of having the same destination for both spirits and fleshy creatures.

After God has created the Earth, there wasn't any mention of angels until Genesis 6:1 when the sons of the true God had relations with the daughters of men. So there was nothing like access to both Heaven and Earth for fleshy creatures, it was only spirit creatures that had access to both because they can move faster and easier since their being doesn't depend on physical bodies that must be transported from place to place!

So if you don't know what we were discussing, just keep cool and allow the guy talk for himself!

shadeyinka:
I do not dodge answering questions unlike you

Mark 16:9-11: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Mag´dalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not."

Who did Mary tell the disciples she saw?

Mary recognized him by his tone of speaking NOT Facial appearance , Do you know he mistook him for a Gardener until he speak ?



John 20:15

“Dear woman, why are you crying?” Jesus asked her. “Who are you looking for?” She thought he was the gardener. “Sir,” she said, “if you have taken him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will go and get him.”

Why didn't Mary recognize that Face ? It wasn't until he speak that she recognized him.

Definitely not the same facial appearance he always know, Christ Materialize a different Form .

This doesn't support your case sorry.


Try harder next time .

Mark 16:12-13: "After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them."

Who did these two disciples say they saw?

This disciples said they didn't recognize him FACIALLY, Look up the highlighted, he was in another form! Shadeyinka ... Another form ! Another appearance!!! Not the Jesus they always know, he was Materialized . They didn't know. So how did they get to know,

Like 24:35

" And they rehearsed the things that happened in the way, and how he was known of them in the breaking of the bread .

Not FACIALLY, but manner of breaking bread . Clearly Materialized.

Try harder next time. You see how your lies are getting busted.

An extremely dumb question that is only worthy of a toddler.

You know MR_NIGER_D!?
You should have made it complete!

Yeah, that's the problem .. if he excrete it means he is subjected to Death. Excretion is an act of decay. Any human that doesn't excrete will die.

If he doesn't , then he is Materialized !

Not necessarily!

Rom 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."



Meaningless question!

By not necessarily , you admitted it could mean breath of life . Such as in Revelation and in the case of the Spirit that returned to the Father ?

Genesis 7:22

all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.


?? ?? ?? ??


Cc: Shadeyinka .

shadeyinka:
I am sure you know I don't have to agree with you in anyway. My knowledge and experience is different from yours.

I agree and accept that your knowledge and experience is different from mine and that's because yours is messed up, suspect and wack. What you shadeyinka, throw about are ill-informed opinions, like for example, believing angels are capable of having sexual relationship with human beings that even leads to the women bearing children, lol, smh.

shadeyinka:
I will only comment on the second item.

Go ahead, be my guest, and lets fold arms and watch you, as you dig yourself into a hole, you cant even with a ladder climb out from, lol

shadeyinka:
1. There is a difference between fallen angels and demons.

For crying out loud, what is the freaking difference?. If you really know that you're talking sense, then spell out the difference(s) nah between fallen angels and demons, smh.

shadeyinka:
2. When fallen angels copulated with daughters of men, they gave birth to Nephilims. Nephilims are therefore hybrids of human and fallen angel. Neither are they whole human nor angels

Smh, where are the offsprings of angels before this alleged copulation with daughters of men, hmm shadeyinka

shadeyinka:
3. The souls/spirit of Nephilims are earthbound and cannot go to Sheol and because they were once physical flesh, they desire to find expression in living beings

Will you stop spewing out this your nonsence and ingredients smelly bullshit

Ex angels of God, as in meaning, celestial beings otherwise known as fallen angels are called so, because they have become persona non grata with heaven. They not only fell from grace but they also fell from heaven, as they were booted out of heaven, by Angel Michael and Co.

shadeyinka:
4. Fallen angels do not possess a physical body nor do they need one to have their expression.

Why did demons then did the demons begged Jesus to not just cast them out of the demon possessed man, but rather to cast them into the body of the herds of pigs

shadeyinka:
5. Jesus referred to demons as unclean spirits

Did you for a moment think demons were smelling of roses and expensive perfumes before ni, hmm?

shadeyinka:
6. Their fearful nature during actual deliverances make one believe that these are less than angels.

1/ I seriously doubt you know what the meaning of the word "angel" really is. Explain in one or two sentences what angel is shadeyinka
2/ Give or list three examples of beings who are angels shadeyinka

shadeyinka:
7. The classes of fallen angels are well spelt out
Eph 6:11-12: "Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

These are the ones we wrestle with.

We don't wrestle with demons, we cast them out. Demons are spiritual equivalents of disease causing microbes to human beings.

If you have had just one opportunity to cast out demons, you'll understand these. If all you have is theoretically knowledge, I understand. I was once in the same shoes.

This is the result of unclear and/or confused thinking. You're using wrong words and choosing the wrong examples to describe and explain what fallen angels/demons are

Maximus69:
I don't waste my time on irrelevant questions!

Of course, you would say that, as you don't want to hear the truth because you don't want your illusions destroyed, lol.

Maximus69:
What the other guy said is "Adam and Eve had access to both Heaven and Earth".

... and I have taken it further and personally directed it at you, asking that, right now, do you Maximus69 have or dont have direct access to Heaven and Earth. It is a simple and unscary question. It isnt a trick question and I wasnt aiming to trip you up with it

Maximus69:
That was to correlate the idea of having the same destination for both spirits and fleshy creatures.

After God has created the Earth, there wasn't any mention of angels until Genesis 6:1 when the sons of the true God had relations with the daughters of men. So there was nothing like access to both Heaven and Earth for fleshy creatures, it was only spirit creatures that had access to both because they can move faster and easier since their being doesn't depend on physical bodies that must be transported from place to place!

So if you don't know what we were discussing, just keep cool and allow the guy talk for himself!

Smh. You really think and/or believe that all events were written in a chronological order in the bible, right?

The moment A&E ate the fruit of the TKGE, they immediately spiritually died and instantly experienced a disconnect with Heaven, lo. The gateway channel to Heaven effectively was severed, a dividing line was drawn, lol.

Maximus69, out of curiosity, do you side with shadeyinka too, that celestial beings, as in meaning ex-angels of God, had sexual liaisons with female human beings who then gave them children, hmm, lol?