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Re: Jesus Saves. by MrPresident1: 1:38pm On Mar 06
Goshen360:


I laugh in tongues!

Go and study what parables are and how it's being interpreted. That interpretation is YOURS and not Christ. But, let me give you that line of thought for the sake of argument assuming your interpretation is (or was) right.

Were those enemies brought forth hither in front of him and slayed before him? After all, he didn't say those enemies SHALL BE SLAYED.....(to mean future tense).

There is no need for any argument about the interpretation of that verse.

Luke 19:27-28
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.


Verse 28 says, ... and when he had thus spoken... They question I am asking is, who had thus spoken?
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 7:58am On Mar 07
LordReed:


You do know the meaning of evident right? How is Jesus loves me evident?

It's evident to me, not you. It's like a blind man and one who is not blind in the same room. I'm like the doctor holding the test on an hapless patient.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 8:12am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Wow so you are one of those "Christians do not commit suicide" people while pastors have killed themselves quite recently. You need to rethink that approach because you only stifle those who you would call brother or sister from reporting how they truly feel. Striping them of identity because they have suicidal thoughts is not going to help. Think about that when you talk about love because your attitude certainly is not love.

Christians commit all these things every damn day so please spare me the double speak. Even you I no doubt have you own because no man is perfect.

The invisible is just that invisible. It cannot be primary to anything because you don't even know it, never seen it, never witnessed it. So as far as we are concerned it is not primary. Living in this life now, thats primary. How you treat yourself and your fellow humans that's primary. Not some anomalous nebulous event nobody has a freaking clue about from a book of fairy tales.

Am I an atheist because i say so? No. Am i a doctor or graduate or president because i say so? No. Am i a Christian because i say so? No. Being a Christian is defined. The scriptures clearly defined the Christian. He doesn't do those things you mentioned. Also, they are few and on the narrow way. Not all those millions in your Wikipedia statistics are Christians.

The invisible is primary as it is the main thing. Judgement/Eternity and salvation from sin are the primary salvation. I'm saved from sin, i was once lost and helpless in sin like you. i once thought no one can be saved or "perfect" like you think. But Jesus saved me from sin. i'm free. Not future, NOW.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 8:18am On Mar 07
Image123:


It's evident to me, not you. It's like a blind man and one who is not blind in the same room. I'm like the doctor holding the test on an hapless patient.

No you like a hapless spectator revelling in a charlatan's "magic" show. What you think you are seeing is just the deceptions sleight of hand generates to the brain, then you shout and call it magic. 2 of us are looking this show, 1 of us is swooning at "magic", the other is laughing and enjoying the show.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 8:23am On Mar 07
Image123:


Am I an atheist because i say so? No. Am i a doctor or graduate or president because i say so? No. Am i a Christian because i say so? No. Being a Christian is defined. The scriptures clearly defined the Christian. He doesn't do those things you mentioned. Also, they are few and on the narrow way. Not all those millions in your Wikipedia statistics are Christians.

The invisible is primary as it is the main thing. Judgement/Eternity and salvation from sin are the primary salvation. I'm saved from sin, i was once lost and helpless in sin like you. i once thought no one can be saved or "perfect" like you think. But Jesus saved me from sin. i'm free. Not future, NOW.

Unproven, unknown, unevidenced, unseen, etc. So many adjectives to describe it and none of them inspire any confidence that you speaking about something that is real.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 8:25am On Mar 07
LordReed:


So why do Christians die of disease then? why didn't it work? Why are there Christians with amputeed limbs? Why is it not working for them? Why are Christian children getting inoperable cancers in the brain and dying before the eyes of their Christian parents? Why is it not working for them? Need more examples of how many more Christians it is not working for?

Many reasons, life is complicated not your straight algebra. That two people went to the same schools, same class and same certificates, even same result doesn't make them turn out same way. That's life. Doesn't mean education is useless. Some are saved or healed, some are not. That others are not healed doesn't negate the FACT about the healing and salvation of the others.
BTW, healing and health are different issues you seem to be getting twisted. Be that as it may, not everyone is healed. And that you are healed today doesn't mean you can't be sick tomorrow. That you are discharged from hospital today doesn't mean you'll not be admitted next year. Maybe we should discard hospital, right? Or blame hospital?
To God, He would rather have His saints with Him forever than here on earth where there's sin, sickness, temptation, problem etc. Death is an avenue or exit door to be with God. Death comes in various ways, especially sickness. You're more likely to exit the world sick than healthy. It's a catch 22 as it were. But it doesn't remove the FACT about enjoying divine healing, health and deliverance like i do and i've seen others do.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 8:27am On Mar 07
LordReed:


No you like a hapless spectator revelling in a charlatan's "magic" show. What you think you are seeing is just the deceptions sleight of hand generates to the brain, then you shout and call it magic. 2 of us are looking this show, 1 of us is swooning at "magic", the other is laughing and enjoying the show.

I love this kind of magic that delivers a helpless drunkard, chronic liar and hopeless masturbator.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 8:28am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Unproven, unknown, unevidenced, unseen, etc. So many adjectives to describe it and none of them inspire any confidence that you speaking about something that is real.

Proves that you are dead and blind like the Bible described. If you believe, you will see. It's a very simple stuff.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 8:28am On Mar 07
Image123:


Many reasons, life is complicated not your straight algebra. That two people went to the same schools, same class and same certificates, even same result doesn't make them turn out same way. That's life. Doesn't mean education is useless. Some are saved or healed, some are not. That others are not healed doesn't negate the FACT about the healing and salvation of the others.
BTW, healing and health are different issues you seem to be getting twisted. Be that as it may, not everyone is healed. And that you are healed today doesn't mean you can't be sick tomorrow. That you are discharged from hospital today doesn't mean you'll not be admitted next year. Maybe we should discard hospital, right? Or blame hospital?
To God, He would rather have His saints with Him forever than here on earth where there's sin, sickness, temptation, problem etc. Death is an avenue or exit door to be with God. Death comes in various ways, especially sickness. You're more likely to exit the world sick than healthy. It's a catch 22 as it were. But it doesn't remove the FACT about enjoying divine healing, health and deliverance like i do and i've seen others do.

So just a roundabout way of saying even if you are "saved" by Jesus from sickness, you are not really "saved" because life? Bwahahahahaha! OMFG! Are you hearing yourself at all?
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 8:32am On Mar 07
Image123:


I love this kind of magic that delivers a helpless drunkard, chronic liar and hopeless masturbator.

These things happen without your Jesus magic.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 8:32am On Mar 07
Image123:


Proves that you are dead and blind like the Bible described. If you believe, you will see. It's a very simple stuff.

Yeah now come the insults in the guise of bible says. What it proves is you are delusional.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 9:39am On Mar 07
LordReed:


So just a roundabout way of saying even if you are "saved" by Jesus from sickness, you are not really "saved" because life? Bwahahahahaha! OMFG! Are you hearing yourself at all?

Nope. i know a child saved by Jesus from measles. The child could have died, or endured the torture till okay. But the child was saved/healed. If you think that's useless, it's simply you a sinner thinking like you are expected to. Now, that doesn't mean that the child may not be sick in say 80years time and die through that sickness and go to Heaven. If that's funny to you, it's perfectly understandable. Many real and serious things are funny to the pitiable. Jesus loves you.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 9:43am On Mar 07
LordReed:


These things happen without your Jesus magic.

Not many times. Jesus saves a chronic liar in an instant. Many a helpless drunkard and hopeless masturbator received glorious liberty free of charge and have instantly turned to useful and responsible people for their families, the church and the nation. That's what makes it "magical", duh.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 9:48am On Mar 07
Image123:


Not many times. Jesus saves a chronic liar in an instant. Many a helpless drunkard and hopeless masturbator received glorious liberty free of charge and have instantly turned to useful and responsible people for their families, the church and the nation. That's what makes it "magical", duh.

Oh please. It is not any magical than someone who took a journey to set themselves right. It is always a process. Your Jesus magic doesn't change it, it just changes the motivating factor.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 9:50am On Mar 07
Image123:


Nope. i know a child saved by Jesus from measles. The child could have died, or endured the torture till okay. But the child was saved/healed. If you think that's useless, it's simply you a sinner thinking like you are expected to. Now, that doesn't mean that the child may not be sick in say 80years time and die through that sickness and go to Heaven. If that's funny to you, it's perfectly understandable. Many real and serious things are funny to the pitiable. Jesus loves you.

I know a Christian parent whose 5yr old died of cancer. Abeg save your stories for the gullible.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 9:50am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Yeah now come the insults in the guise of bible says. What it proves is you are delusional.

To insult is to get angry and call you names that you are not, or to make jest of you. If i said "idiot, ode, fool, stupid, animal" etc, that's insult. But calling a blind man blind is not insult except you are mocking him.
BTW, i was once dead like you, and even dead in another way now. FACT should not be taken as insult. Take it as feedback. Jesus loves you and would save you.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; View more

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 9:52am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Oh please. It is not any magical than someone who took a journey to set themselves right. It is always a process. Your Jesus magic doesn't change it, it just changes the motivating factor.

It's instantaneous and free and more powerful. Total and complete. Not self improvements.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 9:54am On Mar 07
LordReed:


I know a Christian parent whose 5yr old died of cancer. Abeg save your stories for the gullible.

Like i showed you, I know many who died in hospital or died coming from hospital. i know people who went to school and have same certs but are failed. It doesn't change the fact that school and hospitals work.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 9:54am On Mar 07
Image123:


To insult is to get angry and call you names that you are not, or to make jest of you. If i said "idiot, ode, fool, stupid, animal" etc, that's insult. But calling a blind man blind is not insult except you are mocking him.
BTW, i was once dead like you, and even dead in another way now. FACT should not be taken as insult. Take it as feedback. Jesus loves you and would save you.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; View more

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


You are using your bible to project what you think. Here's what I think of you in plain sight and without the shield of fairytales, you are delusional. You believe fairytales are real and are living your life according to the dictates of a fairytale. It makes you just LARPing delusional person.

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Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 9:56am On Mar 07
LordReed:


You are using your bible to project what you think. Here's what I think of you in plain sight and without the shield of fairytales, you are delusional. You believe fairytales are real and are living your life according to the dictates of a fairytale. It makes you just LARPing delusional person.

Delusional? The measles was delusional? The doctors report on eye problem was delusional? My sins that Jesus removed were delusional? You've got jokes. He changed my life around oga. I've constantly and consistently seen Him change lives and families. Cultists, adulterers, sorcerers, folks on the verge of suicide etc Go and tell them their life is delusional. Lol
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:00am On Mar 07
Image123:


Like i showed you, I know many who died in hospital or died coming from hospital. i know people who went to school and have same certs. It doesn't change the fact that school and hospitals work.

Check your original claim. Did you not claim Jesus saves? So if he doesn't save then what are you on about? Get your story straight.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 10:02am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Check your original claim. Did you not claim Jesus saves? So if he doesn't save then what are you on about? Get your story straight.

Get your understanding straight. I clearly remember telling you Leonel Messi dribbles or scores and using the analogy with a match he doesn't score. It doesn't change the fact that Messi scores. Do hospitals work? Is school of any use?
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:04am On Mar 07
Image123:


Delusional? The measles was delusional? The doctors report on eye problem was delusional? My sins that Jesus removed were delusional? You've got jokes. He changed my life around oga. I've constantly and consistently seen Him change lives and families. Cultists, adulterers, sorcerers, folks on the verge of suicide etc Go and tell them their life is delusional. Lol

That's because you don't understand what being delusional means. It doesn't mean that you didn't experience these things, it means you think the only thing that produces such results is Jesus magic.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:06am On Mar 07
Image123:


Get your understanding straight. I clearly remember telling you Leonel Messi dribbles or scores and using the analogy with a match he doesn't score. It doesn't change the fact that Messi scores. Do hospitals work? Is school of any use?

Do hospitals claim to be magical saviours or schools magical places? You magic saviour has exactly the same rate of success as chance and you don't see how you are being delusional? LMFAO!
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 10:07am On Mar 07
LordReed:


That's because you don't understand what being delusional means. It doesn't mean that you didn't experience these things, it means you think the only thing that produces such results is Jesus magic.

You are now in my thoughts. What a mighty God we serve. Clap for yourself. I never knew atheists go into people's thoughts and leave all the people said or wrote.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 10:10am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Do hospitals claim to be magical saviours or schools magical places? You magic saviour has exactly the same rate of success as chance and you don't see how you are being delusional? LMFAO!

You constantly fail to see that those illustrations are simply to help your poor reasoning not compare oranges and apples.Hospitals work, schools work, Jesus works. They are not products of chance like you hope. A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk. Thats chance? Tell that to the rocks.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:13am On Mar 07
Image123:


You are now in my thoughts. What a mighty God we serve. Clap for yourself. I never knew atheists go into people's thoughts and leave all the people said or wrote.

Yes because you expressed your thoughts in writing and it showed you don't understand how you are being delusional.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 10:14am On Mar 07
LordReed:


Yes because you expressed your thoughts in writing and it showed you don't understand how you are being delusional.

Show it. Where in my writings for over 10years on NL did i say hospitals don't work or healed sickness?
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:20am On Mar 07
Image123:


You constantly fail to see that those illustrations are simply to help your poor reasoning not compare oranges and apples.Hospitals work, schools work, Jesus works. They are not products of chance like you hope.

And you fail to see that your Jesus magic is nothing but chance disguised.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:21am On Mar 07
Image123:


Show it. Where in my writings for over 10years on NL did i say hospitals don't work or healed sickness?

Is that what I said you said?
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 10:23am On Mar 07
Image123:


A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk. Thats chance? Tell that to the rocks.

That is motivation. You'd see it if you weren't delusional.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 10:25am On Mar 07
LordReed:


And you fail to see that your Jesus magic is nothing but chance disguised.

i see you are exasperated, no worries. Jesus will save you from sin. A chronic drunkard that beats his family and rapes his wife met with Jesus in a crusade and was saved instantly. For the past ten years since he met Jesus, He has never raped or beaten or got drunk. Thats chance? Tell that to the rocks.

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