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Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 6:15pm On Mar 15
MuttleyLaff:

"Paul, an apostle--sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
(i.e. I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead)
"
- Galatians 1:1

Everytime just has to be a school time for our beloved and blessed Muslim brother and friend here Em.piree sha. Hmm.
Guy, you have been scammed. Leave christianity. Is it not the same Paul who said to abandon teachings of Jesus for something else Hebrews 6:1?


Which prophecy(woli) taught in previous messages that Paul would be apostle?. Give us the prophecy.


Paul destroyed teachings of Jesus and taught different doctrine. He himself confirmed this in 1 Timothy 6:3. ◄ Matthew 15:9 ►confirms the same. Paul's teaching contradicted Jesus'
Re: Jesus Saves. by MuttleyLaff: 6:32pm On Mar 15
Empiree:
Guy, you have been scammed. Leave christianity. Is it not the same Paul who said to abandon teachings of Jesus for something else Hebrews 6:1?
Your lack of comprehension of Hebrews 6:1 is unfortunate.

Empiree:
Which prophecy(woli) taught in previous messages that Paul would be apostle?. Give us the prophecy.
If you are able to provide prophecy( woli) taught in previous messages that the 12 would be apostles, then I happily would consider honouring your request. Mtcheew, smh

Empiree:
Paul destroyed teachings of Jesus and taught different doctrine. He himself confirmed this in 1 Timothy 6:3. ◄ Matthew 15:9 ►confirms the same. Paul's teaching contradicted Jesus'
"15Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
16 He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing.…
"
- 2 Peter 3:15-17

Do you know who penned 2 Peter 3:15-17 above, hmm? The author of 2 Peter 3:15-17 above, was the first person given the responsibility and task to begin extending the Gospel, as in meaning the Good News, to the Gentile, but that person was shuffling feet, the mantle and/or baton got passed on to Apostle Paul

You Empiree, my beloved and dear Muslim brother friend, according to 2 Peter 3:15-17 above, is an ignorant and unstable person distorting whatever and all you find hard to understand about Apostle Paul. You are getting carried away by the error of your lawlessness and your fall far away from a secure standing solid foundation.

May you repent in time and before its too late, so God can have mercy on your impoverished, darkened and on its way to damnation soul
Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 6:47pm On Mar 15
MuttleyLaff:
Your lack of comprehension of Hebrews 6:1 is unfortunate.

Do you know who penned 2 Peter 3:15-17 below, hmm The authour of 2 Peter 3:15-17 below was the first person given the responsibility and task to begin extending the Gospel, as in meaning the Good News, to the Gentile, but that person was shuffling feet, the mantle and/or baton got passed on to Apostle Paul

"15Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
16 He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing.…
"
- 2 Peter 3:15-17

You Empi.ree, my beloved and dear Muslim brother friend, according to 2 Peter 3:15-17 above, is an ignorant and unstable person distorting whatever and all you find hard to understand about Apostle Paul. You are getting carried away by the error of your lawlessness and your fall far away from a secure standing solid foundation.

May you repent in time and before its too late, so God can have mercy on your impoverished, darkened and on its way to damnation soul
Alhamdulilah...it is even clear from your post. Everything you have been saying always starts with Paul and ends with Paul which means christianity is from Paul not Jesus. Guy, there are many flaws in your bible. I even have more that you can not handle. If you read them 1 or 2 things will happen to you. Either dump christianity and just believe in God and never go to church anymore or you dump christianity for Islam. There are several texts in the Act of Apostle pointed to the fact that Paul defiled Jesus and started his own teaching which he taught the gentiles. You already admitted this fact. So Paul is your prophet and your leader not Jesus. I dont think you cant handle pressure from me bcuz you literally abandoned the other thread only to come around today to throw a empty punch. Thats why i didnt bother dealing with you there.

Jesus already cursed you guys in Isaiah 6:9, Matthew 13:13 and Mark 4:12 bcuz he was not sent to the Gentiles(keferi like you) and he didnt want them to make Heaven that's why he spoke with them in paradise. Christians would read Bible with their eye wide open but they will never understand. They would hear truth which muslims call them to but they will not here neither do they understand.
Re: Jesus Saves. by MuttleyLaff: 7:12pm On Mar 15
Empiree:
Alhamdulilah...it is even clear from your post. Everything you have been saying always starts with Paul and ends with Paul which means christianity is from Paul not Jesus. Guy, there are many flaws in your bible. I even have more that you can not handle. If you read them 1 or 2 things will happen to you. Either dump christianity and just believe in God and never go to church anymore or you dump christianity for Islam. There are several texts in the Act of Apostle pointed to the fact that Paul defiled Jesus and started his own teaching which he taught the gentiles. You already admitted this fact. So Paul is your prophet and your leader not Jesus. I dont think you cant handle pressure from me bcuz you literally abandoned the other thread only to come around today to throw a empty punch. Thats why i didnt bother dealing with you there.
Everything I say, starts and ends with our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ.

Fyi, christianity was never from Apostle Paul. There first, was christianity, courtesy of and à la Antioch, then came Constantine christianity. Apostle Paul never advanced christianity. Never used the word christianity. Never used the word christian, lol. How dare you slander an innocent man with such blatant falsehoods you keep on peddling, erhn?

Empiree:
Jesus already cursed you guys in Isaiah 6:9, Matthew 13:13 and Mark 4:12 bcuz he was not sent to the Gentiles(keferi like you) and he didnt want them to make Heaven that's why he spoke with them in paradise.
For this next bible study instalment, listen real good and proper student Empiree:
#1/ Jesus didnt curse any guys in Isaiah 6:9. Jesus was yet born to cursed any guys in Isaiah 6:9
#2/ Matthew 13:13 and Mark 4:12 is not to Gentiles or keferi, but rather it was addressed to the sons/daughters of the soil, Israelites, the Jews, who happened to be the oppressive Pharisees, scribes, teachers of religious laws, rabbis etcetera with cruel, harsh, authoritarian and bad behaviours or bearings

Empiree:
Christians would read Bible with their eye wide open but they will never understand. They would hear truth which muslims call them to but they will not here neither do they understand.


Which thread did I abandon, erhn? If you must know, people have been coming in the background begging me to go easy on you, that a sledgehammer is being used on you, when ordinary swat like done for a pesky and tiny insect that you are will do.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 7:22pm On Mar 15
MuttleyLaff:


Fyi, christianity was never from Apostle Paul. There first, was christianity, courtesy of and à la Antioch, then came Constantine christianity. Apostle Paul never advanced christianity. Never used the word christianity. Never used the word christian, lol. How dare you slander an innocent man with such blatant falsehoods you keep on peddling, erhn?
why you dey lie na after you already pretty much admmited christianity was not started by Jesus and claimed Paul was sent sent himself to the gentiles


O de beru ólóhún iwo many yi

Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 7:27pm On Mar 15
MuttleyLaff:


Which thread did I abandon, erhn? If you must know, people have been coming in the background begging me to go easy on you, that a sledgehammer is being used on you, when ordinary swat like done for a pesky and tiny insect that you are will do.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=211907766694992&id=100036273099284&fs=0&focus_composer=0



You don't know which thread but people have coming in the background to advise about thread you don't Know grin

You are fantastically crazy grin

Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 7:47pm On Mar 15
MuttleyLaff:
our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=211907766694992&id=100036273099284&fs=0&focus_composer=0


see your life

Re: Jesus Saves. by frosbel2(m): 10:28pm On Mar 15
MuttleyLaff:
I've been here as long as you have, if not longer. I know all about your antecedents. Who is who, warned you when you were gravitating on the edge and towards the proverbial slippery slope.

It's my slip not yours. Let my foot slip. I will take the fall and suffer for it. Mind your business. grin

We all know that once you let shitheads slide, they begin to think they can iceskate, lol. Now, you particularly frosbel2, your problem is that you dont that the truth is slippery and wet, that you will slide, but when you slide, just get up from the fall, dont stay down, lol, but just dust yourself down, get up and straighten up yourself. If you dont, you'll lose the faith and sell your soul to a willing bidder, the devil, lol. You’re heading and journeying straight to the lake of fire brother, trust me you wont finding many admitting to you that you're living in a distorted reality of yours. Repent before its too late. Repent before the Owner of your breath asks of it back

There is no eternal lake of fire young man. It's just one of your fantasies unsupported even by your new testament. Surely someone of you calibre should be able to decipher scripture corrrectly and not make things up.

And if indeed your god will throw me into the lake of fire for rejecting a lie , sobeit and I hope it happens in winter, at least I will keep warm , lol.

I make time especially for someone like you, I suffer gladly someone especially like you. There is every intent on my part to go toe to toe, shoulder to shoulder, head to head etcetera with someone especially the likes of you frosbel2, sonmvayina et al. Will happily run you down, down until the dark, chase you back to the abyss of darkness you crawled o

Lol. Chase me back to the abyss of your fake visions. But I admire your vivid and wild imaginations of dragons, hydra headed monsters and eternal fire. Its just that they are false, fake and mythical. Your dream is not based on truth.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 2:31am On Mar 16
LordReed:


The pathetic one here is you since you reason like a broken clock. Where did I say homicide and the rest are not a reality? Where did I say people are not responsible for the crimes they commit? Your deluded pathetic head cannot reason that's why you are writing rubbish and attributing it to me. That sin is a made up concept doesn't say people don't commit crimes. Its deluded pathetic dumbasses like you who think the only way to hold people accountable is by introducing a fairytale god and his fairytale judgement day. We as humans are very much capable of holding ourselves accountable. Indeed no god has come down to hold anybody accountable. Osama bin Laden was killed by men, Hitler was defeated by men, Stalin died of natural causes/illness at 74. If your god was so interesting in saving lives why did he not intervene? LMFAO!

Jim Bakker televangelist went to prison so your Jesus magic is not insurance against people committing crimes and being jailed for it. Myles Monroe preacher, leader of leaders of nations, bishop, teacher of Jesus magic, died in a plane crash on approach to landing with his wife and everyone on board the plane. Jesus magic did not save them.

A broken clock reasons in the reed world, SMH. Those crimes are sins. You cannot say sin isn't a reality without incredulously saying they are not a reality. It's a senseless attempt to separate water from H2O. i never gave any talk about holding people accountable or punishment for sin. Christianity(the BIBLE, not your wetdream definition) clearly supports, teaches and shows that God judges sins and government judges and should judge sins. Implying that Christianity only makes criminals accountable for sins by introducing God or judgement, neglecting constitutional earthly punishment is only typical of the reed that hides his head in the sand fashionably exposing his literal bombom.

i asked you to imagine but you embarassed my hope in such ability or possibilities. Imagine, think, reason, assume if your cohorts had been saved as teenagers. They'd not have been such disasters to their generation. That is the reality to consider, the difference Jesus makes in a life. The difference you call chance and motivation.
Hospitals save. That you are saved from the coronavirus right in a Wuhan hospital doesn't mean you'll always be saved in or by an hospital. i thought that was common knowledge(sense), you make it seem like a revelation. The same person discharged free/saved today from hospital may die next year right in an hospital. Does that mean he was not saved this year? Does that make hospital useless? Following the same line of reasoning/logic. Jesus saves you from sin today. It is not eternal security as you hope me to preach. Bible says "Take heed lest you fall". Read the fine print. Acting all aghast because of backsliding simply shows your ignorance of the Word and the Way.
Newsflash, Jesus died a painful death. The early apostles and a major part of the early church died painful death. What you are preaching and assuming me to preach is what Christian circle wrongly calls "Prosperity gospel". The Bible doesn't preach so. The Bible says that the days are evil, and that in the world there is tribulations and tears and sorrows. God promised to wipe away all such at His second coming which we eagerly await. Read the fine print. That's why i told you that the greater part of salvation is from sin and judgement. The others are additional, bonuses. They may come, they may not come for some. What is 100% sure and guarantee for all, which you do not want to hear, is that the vilest offender who truly believes, receives pardon, cleansing and a new life. Jesus offers you this unparalleled peace and joy.

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Re: Jesus Saves. by MuttleyLaff: 4:03am On Mar 16
Empiree:
why you dey lie na after you already pretty much admmited christianity was not started by Jesus and claimed Paul was sent sent himself to the gentiles

O de beru ólóhún iwo many yi

Where is the lie?
Why are you behaving as if you are uneducated and/or unable to read with comprehension, hmm?

"Tani ika, to ta igbo idọti, to n starch sosi lagbari, fun man yin sef hmm?" Who is the wicked dealer who sold this man cheap and adulterated marijuana to smoke?

When I typed that, there first, was christianity, courtesy of and à la Antioch, then came Constantine christianity. Where is the lie in that? Where in there or in the Bible, do you read that christianity was from Apostle Paul started, hmm?.

I said Apostle Paul never advanced christianity, this is true. I said, Apostle Paul never used the word christianity, this is true. I said, Apostle Paul never used the word christian, this lol, equally also is true. How dare you enjoy slandering the innocents with such blatant falsehoods you keep on peddling, erhn?

Shame on you for not acknowledging from your pasted screenshot grab that it was the people of Antioch, widely known for inventing nicknames that downgrades, belittles, regards or represents the become and targeted object of scorn as being of little worth, no importance and to be look down one's nose at. Case in point, King Agrippa, which I will again share with you soon and next

Please, go through the pages of the Bible, back to back, and come tell us, if you do find the word Christianity in it mentioned and where you've found, the word Christianity is associated with Apostle Paul in it. You must just finished sniffing that hard substance, for you to start making up stories in your head about anyone lying, lol

You are 1000% right my dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, that Christianity is paganism and to tell the truth, was institutionalised by Constantine, and so is a Roman invention. It never and was not brought by Paul from Rome. As a matter of fact, the reverse is the case, because Apostle Paul actually went to Rome with the Gospel, whilst awaiting a trial before the Emperor, Nero. The truth of the matter, is that Jesus in a dream had told Paul, he Paul, will soon go to Rome to preach the Good News and testify of Him, just as he Paul, had done in Jerusalem (i.e. Acts 23:11)

"24At this stage of Paul’s defense, Festus exclaimed in a loud voice, “You are insane, Paul! Your great learning is driving you to madness!”
25But Paul answered, “I am not insane, most excellent Festus; I am speaking words of truth and sobriety.
26For the king knows about these matters, and I can speak freely to him. I am confident that none of this has escaped his notice, because it was not done in a corner.
27King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do.”
28Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Can you persuade me in such a short time to become a Christian?
29“Short time or long,” Paul replied, “I wish to God that not only you but all who hear me this day may become what I am, except for these chains.”
30Then the king and the governor rose, along with Bernice and those seated with them.
31On their way out, they said to one another, “This man has done nothing worthy of death or imprisonment.”
32And Agrippa said to Festus, “This man could have been released if he had not appealed to Caesar.”
"
- Acts 26:24-32

Christianity, is not a Paul religion nor has it anything to do, with the reinvented Jesus, you Muslim brothers and sisters have misintrepreted and reinterpreted in the Islamic religion, lol. The litmus test for whether Apostle Paul has anything to do with Christianity or being a Christian, is to go check out the above Acts 26:24-32 audience and opportunity he had with King Agrippa (i.e. a Jew) when on trial before Festus (i.e. a Roman) at Caesarea.

"28 Agrippa sì wí fún Paulu pé, “Ǹjẹ́ ìwọ lérò pé ìwọ le fi àkókò díẹ̀ yìí sọ mí di Kristiani?”
29 Paulu sì dáhùn wí pé, “Ní àkókò kúkúrú tàbí gígùn, mo gbàdúrà sí Ọlọ́run pé kí ó má ṣe ìwọ nìkan, ṣùgbọ́n kí gbogbo àwọn tí ó gbọ́ ọ̀rọ̀ mi lónìí pẹ̀lú lè di irú ènìyàn tí èmi jẹ́ láìsí ẹ̀wọ̀n wọ̀nyí.”
"
- Ìṣe àwọn Aposteli 26 Bíbélì Mímọ́ Yorùbá: 28-29

Notice how Apostle Paul sidestepped the Acts 26:28 question and watch his full control of his mind and thoughts Acts 26:29 reply-answer, done in a few well-chosen words, that in a deliberate and intentional way, avoided the use of the word, Christian, lol

Empiree:

see your life
"Listen! I, Paul, tell you this:
If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you.
"
- Galatians 5:2

See your life. "O wa lara ẹ" Shame on you for your dishonesty and for misrepresenting exactly what Galatians 5:2 really was conveying and/or talking about with that your misleading and evil intention screenshot you pasted with your "see your life" comment. Smh
Re: Jesus Saves. by MuttleyLaff: 4:03am On Mar 16
frosbel2:
It's my slip not yours. Let my foot slip. I will take the fall and suffer for it. Mind your business. grin
There is no eternal lake of fire young man.

Awesome Methuselah.
So in Noah's days, they also said, there is no flood of water, lol. Call me young man, if only you know my age.

frosbel2:
It's just one of your fantasies unsupported even by your new testament. Surely someone of you calibre should be able to decipher scripture corrrectly and not make things up.

And if indeed your god will throw me into the lake of fire for rejecting a lie, sobeit and I hope it happens in winter, at least I will keep warm , lol.
Suit yourself son, suit yourself sweep it all under the carpet using your Occam's broom, lol

frosbel2:
Lol. Chase me back to the abyss of your fake visions. But I admire your vivid and wild imaginations of dragons, hydra headed monsters and eternal fire. Its just that they are false, fake and mythical. Your dream is not based on truth.
You must be high on some cheap backstreet substance because I dont recall anyone on this thread yet make mention of dragons, hydra headed monsters and whatnot
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 5:04am On Mar 16
LordReed:


Your dumbassery will continue to resonate throughout all you write like the broken clock you are.

Go and check out all the recovering addicts secular institutions help day in day out without any Jesus magic before you start celebrating like a two year old seeing cake for the 1st time.

When will secular institutions deliver you? Oh, maybe no money. Jesus will save you for free. Only believe.

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Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 5:37am On Mar 16
Image123:


When will secular institutions deliver you? Oh, maybe no money. Jesus will save you for free. Only believe.

I'll take my chances. LMFAO!
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 5:47am On Mar 16
Image123:


A broken clock reasons in the reed world, SMH. Those crimes are sins. You cannot say sin isn't a reality without incredulously saying they are not a reality. It's a senseless attempt to separate water from H2O. i never gave any talk about holding people accountable or punishment for sin. Christianity(the BIBLE, not your wetdream definition) clearly supports, teaches and shows that God judges sins and government judges and should judge sins. Implying that Christianity only makes criminals accountable for sins by introducing God or judgement, neglecting constitutional earthly punishment is only typical of the reed that hides his head in the sand fashionably exposing his literal bombom.

i asked you to imagine but you embarassed my hope in such ability or possibilities. Imagine, think, reason, assume if your cohorts had been saved as teenagers. They'd not have been such disasters to their generation. That is the reality to consider, the difference Jesus makes in a life. The difference you call chance and motivation.
Hospitals save. That you are saved from the coronavirus right in a Wuhan hospital doesn't mean you'll always be saved in or by an hospital. i thought that was common knowledge(sense), you make it seem like a revelation. The same person discharged free/saved today from hospital may die next year right in an hospital. Does that mean he was not saved this year? Does that make hospital useless? Following the same line of reasoning/logic. Jesus saves you from sin today. It is not eternal security as you hope me to preach. Bible says "Take heed lest you fall". Read the fine print. Acting all aghast because of backsliding simply shows your ignorance of the Word and the Way.
Newsflash, Jesus died a painful death. The early apostles and a major part of the early church died painful death. What you are preaching and assuming me to preach is what Christian circle wrongly calls "Prosperity gospel". The Bible doesn't preach so. The Bible says that the days are evil, and that in the world there is tribulations and tears and sorrows. God promised to wipe away all such at His second coming which we eagerly await. Read the fine print. That's why i told you that the greater part of salvation is from sin and judgement. The others are additional, bonuses. They may come, they may not come for some. What is 100% sure and guarantee for all, which you do not want to hear, is that the vilest offender who truly believes, receives pardon, cleansing and a new life. Jesus offers you this unparalleled peace and joy.

People had laws before your god story came on the scene so saying that the only way to judge crime is when you call it sin shows your ignorance.

Your god stories are unnecessary for anything in this life including for justice. Made up concepts like sin only have relevance in trying to promote made up solutions.

Your Jesus magic saves but there is no guarantee? Bwahahahahaha!

Blah, blah, blah, end of the world, blah. Everybody and their parrot have been predicting an end so you are not new. Your Jesus in not coming. Want to bet that till you die you won't see that happen? LMFAO!
Re: Jesus Saves. by frosbel2(m): 11:42am On Mar 16
MuttleyLaff:

Awesome Methuselah.
So in Noah's days, they also said, there is no flood of water, lol. Call me young man, if only you know my age.

Suit yourself son, suit yourself sweep it all under the carpet using your Occam's broom, lol

You must be high on some cheap backstreet substance because I dont recall anyone on this thread yet make mention of dragons, hydra headed monsters and whatnot

I feel sorry for you, lol.

See you in the lake of fire grin grin
Re: Jesus Saves. by MuttleyLaff: 11:57am On Mar 16
frosbel2:
I feel sorry for you, lol.
See you in the lake of fire grin grin
Yeah, be specially there for you and to piss on you to help you put out the inextinguishable flames burning you up.
Re: Jesus Saves. by frosbel2(m): 12:31pm On Mar 16
MuttleyLaff:
Yeah, be specially there for you and to piss on you to help you put out the inextinguishable flames burning you up.

What a lovely follower of Jeebus . "Piss on" the head of your enemies is such a nice thing to say. You guys are worthy of emulation and adoration, lol

Freaking deluded jokers....

Go start your own comedy show , you will make zillions of worthless naira.

cool
Re: Jesus Saves. by MuttleyLaff: 12:36pm On Mar 16
frosbel2:
What a lovely follower of Jeebus. Piss on the head of your enemies, that's such a nice thing to say. You guys are worthy of emulation and adoration, lol

Freaking deluded jokers....

Go start your own comey, you will make zillions with all this your trash talking.

cool
What an ungrateful tosser you are, rubbishing my kind gesture to douse the flames burning you up. You should count yourself lucky I am not the sort, that would have stomped on your coconut konkosari black shiny puny head
Re: Jesus Saves. by frosbel2(m): 12:40pm On Mar 16
MuttleyLaff:
What an ungrateful tosser you are, rubbishing my kind gesture to douse the flames burning you up. You should count yourself lucky I am not the sort, that would have stomped on your coconut konkosari black shiny puny head

grin grin

Go and bark at your white Jeebus , let him cure your rabies.

Sorry I am little harsh on today.

Anyway I have got work to do.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 3:58pm On Mar 16
MuttleyLaff:
[b


"Listen! I, Paul, tell you this:
If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you.
"
- Galatians 5:2

See your life. "O wa lara ẹ" Shame on you for your dishonesty and for misrepresenting exactly what Galatians 5:2 really was conveying and/or talking about with that your misleading and evil intention screenshot you pasted with your "see your life" comment. Smh
You said Paul did not create christianity?. But he destroyed teachings of Jesus and Prophets before him.

Example is circumcision. Circumcision is God's Covenant and Command. Every Prophet since Abraham (as) circumcised


Genesis 17 vs 10 - 13


10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.


You can see circumcision is everlasting and MUSLIMS still circumcised till today.


Genesis 17:14

And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So you christians that don't circumcise or believe in it are cut off from the Mercy of God.


Moses And His Son Circumcised

Exodus 4:24-26

Moses’ Son Circumcised


On the way to Egypt, Moses stopped at a place to spend the night. The Lord met Moses at that place and tried to kill him.[a] But Zipporah took a flint knife[b] and circumcised her son. She took the skin and touched his feet. Then she said to Moses, “You are a bridegroom of blood to me.” Zipporah said this because she had to circumcise her son. So God let Moses live


John 7:22 Gave Us A Clue About Moses Circumcision


Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fatherswink and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.


Either way, covenant God made with Abraham was everlasting. The implication is that all Prophets and messangers circumcised.


Jesus Circumcised

Luke 2:21


And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.


So you can see Jesus was circumcised. Paul on the other hand said:


If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you."
- Galatians 5:2


This above verse (Galatians 5:2) is in conflict with God's Everlasting Covenant which Muslim still practice till today. So Paul could not have been sent by God or Jesus. His teaching was that if you practice circumcision Jesus will not benefits you which means he defiled God Order. So you can see again Paul advanced false teachings in christianity.

Clearly, Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus
Re: Jesus Saves. by sagenaija: 5:57pm On Mar 16
Empiree:
You said Paul did not create christianity?. But he destroyed teachings of Jesus and Prophets before him.

Example is circumcision. Circumcision is God's Covenant and Command. Every Prophet since Abraham (as) circumcised
Paul on the other hand said:

If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you."
- Galatians 5:2


This above verse (Galatians 5:2) is in conflict with God's Everlasting Covenant which Muslim still practice till today. So Paul could not have been sent by God or Jesus. His teaching was that if you practice circumcision Jesus will not benefits you which means he defiled God Order. So you can see again Paul advanced false teachings in christianity.

Clearly, Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus
Muttleylaff has said it all: you are being mischievous and dishonest.

Which previous prophet prophesied about Mohamed? None. Yet now you want to use that yardstick for others.

Because more and information are being unearthed about the flaws and rot in Islam your like think the only option to take is to look for how to discredit Christianity and Christians. Unfortunately it won't 'werk'. Christianity is superior to any other religion by far. Physical observances without a change from the heart is meaningless; And that is all that Islam stands for - physical observances. The only one who changes from the inside and gives meaning to life is Jesus Christ, who is more than a prophet - he is Saviour and Lord.

At the end of the day it is not really Paul you want to attack. It is all that Paul stood for that you want to discredit. And you know that all that Paul stood for is Christ and him crucified.

Have you ever asked yourself why the Koran or other Islamic books never attacked Paul like you are doing?

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Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 6:12pm On Mar 16
sagenaija:

Muttleylaff has said it all: you are being mischievous and dishonest.

Which previous prophet prophesied about Mohamed? None. Yet now you want to use that yardstick for others.

Because more and information are being unearthed about the flaws and rot in Islam your like think the only option to take is to look for how to discredit Christianity and Christians. Unfortunately it won't 'werk'. Christianity is superior to any other religion by far. Physical observances without a change from the heart is meaningless; And that is all that Islam stands for - physical observances. The only one who changes from the inside and gives meaning to life is Jesus Christ, who is more than a prophet - he is Saviour and Lord.

At the end of the day it is not really Paul you want to attack. It is all that Paul stood for that you want to discredit. And you know that all that Paul stood for is Christ and him crucified.

Have you ever asked yourself why the Koran or other Islamic books never attacked Paul like you are doing?
Bcus he doesnt exist, period.

Neither you nor him was able to establish link btw Jesus and Paul. Maybe you could help him out?. The only thing he quoted about Paul was "God said to me". This is how they lie about God all the time. Is "God said to me" evidence?.

From your write up actually shows you are not exposed yet. There is nothing wrong with islam or Quran.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 6:28pm On Mar 16
THE HIDDEN FACTS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY & ISLAM.


1. CREATION OF MAN: In the world today, those in position of authority are adherent of different religions, yet this world, when God created our progenitor (Adam) and the dialogue that took place between God and His angels.
Bible say " _AND GOD SAID; LET'S US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE...._ (Gen. 1v26)

Quran say _"I WILL CREATE A TRUSTEE ON EARTH..._ (Quran2:30)

A careful glance on the above verses shows that God loves us, after he created Eve to become Adam's wife (Gen. 2v21-23), after God created Adam and Eve, He gave them laws (Gen.2v16-17; Quran2v35). This is the law of God to Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden, but Satan deceived them into eating the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3v4-5; Quran2v36).

This was how Adam erred and brought about the problems we are encountering today. God sent them out of the Garden of Eden and cursed them, though they asked for forgiveness and God heard their plea. But the curse which God placed on them still persists as the reward of their sin. (Gen. 3v16-17, Quran2v37)

After this, God sent them out of the garden, and they proceeded to dwell on the earth. This was how religious activities started with God Almighty sending various prophets to the world (Luke4v24-27, Luke11v49, Quran2v38, 16v36).


2. ADVENT OF PROPHETS: The question that should assail us is, why should God raise the prophets for mankind? The simple answer is, Satan misled our forefather (Adam) and vowed to mislead the descendants of Adam. (Quran 7v11-12). That was why prophets were sent to warn mankind since the time of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, but they were rejected which was in consonance with Satan's threat to Adam and Eve, in order to prevent mankind from Satan, Almighty God further admonishes humanity that they may not be deceived by Satan. (Quran40v4, 43v36-37). God referred to those who refuse to listen to His words as fools (Prov.12v23). Rather than heeding to this warning, our minds have become hardened. This has remained so because Satan's promise has come to pass even though there is nothing that can happen without God's will. ( Quran11v34). similarly Jesus Christ said "NO _ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS HIM_ ....(John6v45&65).


3. *FOUNDATION OF WORHIP:* This is the beginning of religion on earth and it had now multiplied in manifold, though the most popular ones are *JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, & ISLAM* . The adherents of Judaism claim to be the followers of Moses and they are known JEWS. Christians claim to be the followers of Jesus Christ, while the adherents of the religion of Islam claim to be the followers of Muhammad and are called Muslims. If we reflect deeply on this issue, we will observe that these *THREE PROPHETS* are descendant of Abraham. Why then, should people who claim that they belong to the same family fight themselves?

Why did the Jews reject Jesus Christ, despite the fact that he told them thus; that he has come to uphold the laws which they themselves believed in. ( John1:11; Matt.5v17-20). This was what led to the establishment of another religion by the lovers of Jesus Christ called *CHRISTIANITY* .

Although, Jesus Christ never established any new religion and never heard of *CHRISTIANITY* , it was after his demise that its establishment came into existence. The people that were first called *CHRISTIANS* after Jesus Christ were *PAUL & BARNABA* in Antioch. (Acts11v25-26). In this light, the Christians claimed to believe in Jesus Christ whom the Jews rejected.


When Muhammad came however he has come to fulfill all what is in the book of Moses and Jesus Christ. (Quran 3:3-4) If this is so why the grudges between the Muslims and Christians over who is worshipping the right God. It means there is something more, which is not very clear to us about religion.

Some people ask the question; what is the importance of _RELIGION TO HUMANITY_ ? Well, this is a very good question. But first and foremost, we shall observe what religion is... (James1v27). So as to know the importance of religion in the sight of God, the Quranic and. Biblical cited, shows that, it is God alone, that man must worship on earth. (Q51v56, Isaiah44v21).



4. *DIVERSITY OF RELIGION:* The current problem is that most people believe that all the prophets were given different religions and this has been the major cause of misconceptions in the world. This is not true because the God we worship is not God of confusion. (1Cor. 14v33, Quran 10v44).

Let's check the Christians evidences, which enable them to claim that nobody will gain the kingdom of God, _EXCEPT_ if he or she is a christian.

a. Anyone who refuse to accept Jesus Christ as the *SON OF GOD* will perish. (John3v16-18). Meanwhile, the Muslims do not believe, that God has a son. The Muslims faith hang on the fact " _HE BEGET NOT NOR WAS HE BEGOTTEN"_ (Q112v3). Therefore, the Christians believe that Muslims will perish.


b. Anyone who followers of a man (Muhammad) are Jokers, without following Jesus Christ. (John14v6)

c. Anyone do not believe in the Blood Atonement. (Heb. 9v22) because considering the Quranic verses, it is very clear that, the Muslims do not believe in the blood atonement or Christ crucifixion. This means that God will not forgive the Muslims for their sins.


These are the evidences which the Christians base their faith and has been causing problems.


Let also check the evidences that the Muslims have been discussing in their various mosques. If anybody refuse to be a muslim, he/she is a loser in the presence of God. (Quran3v19 & 85)

Though "if one refuse to be a christian, he/she is a loser in the presence of God. Then, which one is the way out among these *TWO* ?

5. *THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS ABOUT GOD*: In the light of foregoing, we should note that, whatever these prophets reported are from God. This means that whatever is heard from *Moses* should agree with that of *Jesus Christ* and *Muhammad* because they were all sent by the same God. He sent them to us based on His promise to Adam as said earlier, so it is expected that whatever God will say to them should be in agreement with one another.

The greatest confusion today is about God, because some Christians claim that God is *3 in 1*, while some say there is *ONE GOD*.

Truthfully, there is only *ONE GOD* and not *3 in 1* as claimed by some Christians. Let us go straight to the scriptures ( _Bible & Quran_ ) Deut.6:4-9; Mark12:28-30; John17:3; 2 Sam. 22:32; 1Tim.2:5; Quran2:163, 41:6...

Therefore, the conflict between Christians and Muslims has been caused by lack of knowledge.


6. *WAY OF WORSHIP*: Some Christians claim to be worshippers of Jesus Christ. Are we supposed to worship Jesus Christ? (Quran17:23; Exo.20:3; Matt. 4:8-10).

First and foremost, God we aught to worship from man (Lev.19: 1-2; Quran4:43).


A. *Washing the whole body*

(i) Sexual Intercourse: we must clean ourselves with water before we worship God. This is what the Muslims practices and they called it *JANABAH* (Lev. 15:18; Quran5:6)


B. *Women Menstruation*: The post delivery bath, which comes after the childbirth blood. Muslims called it *NIFAS* ( Lev.15:19; Lev.12:1-5; Luke2:22-24; Quran2:222).

C. *Washing of some part of the body*: After the purification, it is normal for us to go to the place of worship. Are we suppose to go to the place of worship ( _Church or Mosque_ ) with dirty legs? No! We are expected to wash some parts of our bodies before we enter into the house of God. (Exo.30:17-21; John13:5-8; Quran5:6). This has just been discussed is about what is *ABLUTION* by the Muslims.

D. *Removing of Shoes*: This is the act of removing one's shoes before going into a place of worship. (Exo.3:5; Joshua5:15; Quran20:12). It is very clear that the prophets proclaim the same message from God that sent them.

E. *Invitation to Worship*: Noises are being made by the Muslims in their respective mosques everyday at their prayer times, I thought that what they are doing is just to disturb the peace of the public, until I came across a verse in the bible. (Neh. 9:4-5; Quran62:9; 5:58)


F. *Direction in Worship*: Is it true that the Muslims and the Christians must face a particular direction whenever they want to supplicate unto God? The Muslims face a particular direction called *QIBLAH*. But why? We shall observe that the prophets of God do not just face anywhere in worship but a specific direction. (1Kings8:44-45; Psalm5:7; Psalm138:2; Quran2:144) although God is everywhere, yet he has mandated us to do His will, and not what man thinks is right.



J. *TITHE/ZAKAT*: Payment of Tithe is conversant with Christians in the Church. The Muslims on their part called it *ZAKAT*, in which is payed at the end of every year. The Christians called it *TITHE* ( _One Tenth_ ) which is paid _every month_ and the _every week_ . If we take a critical look, we shall see that Jesus Christ was unhappy with those who were paying tithe at the beginning, (Luke11:42; Matt.23:23) why should Jesus Christ be angry with these people? Jesus was unhappy with his people, because most of the things God commanded them to do were not done. What the bible said was that tithe should be paid once in *three years* . ( Deut.14:28, Mal.3:10; Quran9:60) there is no compromise as per tithe, but we can give alms to people at anytime. (Luke11:41; Matt.12:41-44)


K. *Fasting/Lent*: There are two types of fasting for humanity.

a. The fast made made to request from God (Matt.6:16-18)

b. The fast, which God has made compulsory. (Jer.36:9; Ezra8:21; Quran2:183-185)

But today, the Christians do not observe fasting as it ought to be. This means that, in as much as Jesus Christ is still alive the Christians will not fast, even though Jesus Christ Himself ordained his followers to fast. (Matt.9:14-15). Then what is LENT? which is being observed by the Christians? Well the Bible confirm that Moses & Jesus Christ observed fasting. (Matt.4:2, Exo.34:28)



L. *Pilgrimage to the Holy Land*: Ordinarily, people should be visiting Jerusalem yearly for an act of worship, which should involve both the Muslims and the Christians. But the rather pointed to *Makkah* in Saudi Arabia for yearly pilgrimage. (Isaiah2:2; Micah4:2; Haggai2:6-9; Zech.14:16-17; Jer.22:5; Quran2:196; Quran3:96-97). God cursed Jerusalem based on the sturbboness of the Jews. It is not only God that condemned Jerusalem, even Jesus Christ did also. Anyone who goes to Jerusalem to worship has done nothing but to go and share part of the condemnation which is on Jerusalem. (Matt.23:37-39)



Nevertheless, Jerusalem is the place to worship as said by the Jews. But Jesus Christ said to a woman neither the mountain nor Jerusalem shall the father be worshipped yearly. (John4:7-21, Isaiah28:16; Psalm118:22-23; Matthew21:42-43; Gal.4:24-25; Quran3:96)



In conclusion, if we take cognizance of what Jesus Christ told his disciples in the bible. (John12v47-48, Quran6v125), we would notice some people, who refuse to accept the words of God and worship Him in the way He has ordained for man, which he has clearly established in both the BIBLE & QURAN. Thank you much for taking your time to read this tract. I pray that God will in His infinitive mercy give us wisdom to really understand the message of this pamphlet for both our worldly and heavenly salvation. Amen!

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Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 7:06pm On Mar 16
Empiree:
Bcus he doesnt exist, period.

Neither you nor him was able to establish link btw Jesus and Paul. Maybe you could help him out?. The only thing he quoted about Paul was "God said to me". This is how they lie about God all the time. Is "God said to me" evidence?.

From your write up actually shows you are not exposed yet. There is nothing wrong with islam or Quran.

There is plenty wrong with the Quran and Islam, most of which is mirrored in the criticisms of the Bible and Christianity.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 7:34pm On Mar 16
LordReed:


There is plenty wrong with the Quran and Islam, most of which is mirrored in the criticisms of the Bible and Christianity.
you need exposure. Instead of me wasting my time trying to enlighten you, i think you should rather watch and listen to muslim religious comparators like these 2 Jamiu Adegunwa and Yusuf Adepoju,


Talking about criticisms, at no point in time Bible or Quran frowned religious comparative. Thats not criticisms. In the Book of ISAIAH 1:18 reads:


“Come let us reason together”



In the Quran Al-Imran 3.64.


Say (to them, O Messenger): "O People of the Book, come to a word common between us and you, that we worship none but God, and associate none as partner with Him, and that none of us take others for Lords, apart from God. " If they (still) turn away, then say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted to Him exclusively). "



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD-k6zIwGvk&t=535s
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 11:28pm On Mar 16
Empiree:
you need exposure. Instead of me wasting my time trying to enlighten you, i think you should rather watch and listen to muslim religious comparators like these 2 Jamiu Adegunwa and Yusuf Adepoju,


Talking about criticisms, at no point in time Bible or Quran frowned religious comparative. Thats not criticisms. In the Book of ISAIAH 1:18 reads:


“Come let us reason together”



In the Quran Al-Imran 3.64.


Say (to them, O Messenger): "O People of the Book, come to a word common between us and you, that we worship none but God, and associate none as partner with Him, and that none of us take others for Lords, apart from God. " If they (still) turn away, then say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted to Him exclusively). "



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD-k6zIwGvk&t=535s

Who is talking about comparing religions? I said the things wrong with the Quran and Islam are mirrored in the things wrong with the Bible and Christianity. If you don't know what that means you could have just asked instead of jumping into conclusions.

Both the Bible and the Quran are a collection of ancient myths and fairytales, none of which have an iota of evidence that such things took place.

When it comes to the practice of both religions, there is plenty to find objectionable with both.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Empiree: 12:00am On Mar 17
LordReed:


Who is talking about comparing religions? I said the things wrong with the Quran and Islam are mirrored in the things wrong with the Bible and Christianity. If you don't know what that means you could have just asked instead of jumping into conclusions.

Both the Bible and the Quran are a collection of ancient myths and fairytales, none of which have an iota of evidence that such things took place.

When it comes to the practice of both religions, there is plenty to find objectionable with both.
Oh I see. Sounds like you're one of those guys whose brain are suspended btw heaven and earth, which means you dont understand yourself to begin with cheesy

You will be a waste of my precious time jare
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 2:27am On Mar 17
LordReed:


I'll take my chances. LMFAO!

You'll take your chances yet Jesus is chance. SMH. The issue as often is that you don't want to be saved, not that you have any sensible chance to take. You don't want to stop sin or be accountable for your lies, immorality and corruption. I pray it doesn't get too late for you.
Re: Jesus Saves. by Image123(m): 2:39am On Mar 17
LordReed:


People had laws before your god story came on the scene so saying that the only way to judge crime is when you call it sin shows your ignorance.

Your god stories are unnecessary for anything in this life including for justice. Made up concepts like sin only have relevance in trying to promote made up solutions.

Your Jesus magic saves but there is no guarantee? Bwahahahahaha!

Blah, blah, blah, end of the world, blah. Everybody and their parrot have been predicting an end so you are not new. Your Jesus in not coming. Want to bet that till you die you won't see that happen? LMFAO!

Duh, it's like the hindis saying there was pani before water. How ridiculous, they mean the same thing. Nobody said the only way to judge crime is to call it sin. You just can't stop lying, can you? Your motivation and chance have not set you free. Crime, sin, transgression, lawlessness are the same thing, duh. What we call synonyms. God is unnecessary yet your superiors in every area flock to Him weekly.

Thanks be to God at least you now know and write that Jesus saves. What is guarantee again, did Jesus promise you "guarantee". Is your life guaranteed?
Does your science god that you worship not teach end of the world? Are you going to be alive to see it? Is truth premised on my being alive or you being alive? Where does your weirdness in thinking ooze from so constantly?
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 4:38am On Mar 17
Empiree:
Oh I see. Sounds like you're one of those guys whose brain are suspended btw heaven and earth, which means you dont understand yourself to begin with cheesy

You will be a waste of my precious time jare

You just don't like hearing that someone doesn't think highly of your Quran or Islam. Do you have evidence of these things, very simple. But no, it's to start to insult people because they disagree with your fairytales.
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 4:43am On Mar 17
Image123:


You'll take your chances yet Jesus is chance. SMH. The issue as often is that you don't want to be saved, not that you have any sensible chance to take. You don't want to stop sin or be accountable for your lies, immorality and corruption. I pray it doesn't get too late for you.

Bwahahahahaha! The joke flew over your head.

Accountable to who? A fairytale god or to the ever soon coming Jesus? LMFAO!
Re: Jesus Saves. by LordReed(m): 4:50am On Mar 17
Image123:


Duh, it's like the hindis saying there was pani before water. How ridiculous, they mean the same thing. Nobody said the only way to judge crime is to call it sin. You just can't stop lying, can you? Your motivation and chance have not set you free. Crime, sin, transgression, lawlessness are the same thing, duh. What we call synonyms. God is unnecessary yet your superiors in every area flock to Him weekly.

Thanks be to God at least you now know and write that Jesus saves. What is guarantee again, did Jesus promise you "guarantee". Is your life guaranteed?
Does your science god that you worship not teach end of the world? Are you going to be alive to see it? Is truth premised on my being alive or you being alive? Where does your weirdness in thinking ooze from so constantly?

LMFAO! Yeah because according to your fairytale sin didn't exist before your fairytale god gave any laws.

Then Jesus saves is not better than chance is what your numb skull refuses to acknowledge.

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