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Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by sunnela: 8:02pm On Jan 03, 2011
The only solution to this problem is
[size=24pt]LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOUR SELF,  [/size]
but we underate this law,
cos If we do, then
We will seek the good of all mankind
We will make our own little effort to better the lot of our neighbor, ( irrespective of their tribe, religion race), comunity, city, country
We will know that little things count, including voting, paying your tax, obeying the traffic lights, if ever we want things to work in this country eventually
But We overlook this things and think that Vigil @ Redemption camp alone will save this country over night
We lie,  cos the bible says prayer, faith without works is dead.


Also for those quoting the old testament, the religion then was Judaism(hence synagogue etc) , Xtianity started after the death of jesus on the day of pentecost. Hence u cannot trace any brutal practice  by christians  that wasnt condemned in the bible.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by kabukabu50(m): 8:14pm On Jan 03, 2011
BinghiNya:

Muslims,


Please ignore the deluded ones. Islam and Christians both have renegades. People have forgotten how Captain Philips massacred benin people. They forgot how africans were sold into slavery. They forgot how muslims are terrorized day and night in the name of preaching at home, in offices, weherever. They forgot how gazan kids were massacred in thousands some years ago. Rev King is a muslim. Jimmy Swaggart is a muslim. TB Joshua is a muslim. Rev. Adeboye who prays for robbers and looters is a muslim. The eastern Killers and Robbers are muslims. The Catholic priests who sleep with kids are also muslims. Don't throw stone when u live in a glass house. My aunt once threw me out of the house for not attending a church. I am muslim and i am proud to be one. There is only One God, Allah Akbar.

1)Muslims murdered and slaughtered millions of Africans when they were rampaging Africa for worshipping other gods,Songhai,Mali,Kano, were all great civilizations till the Muslims killed the natives and made the slaves if they did not convert to Islam grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by calaway: 8:17pm On Jan 03, 2011
Brother dont fool your self. Or is it that you are ignorant of your reliong? The only way out for Islam faithfuls is to edit the holy book removing all the verses that encourage violence meted out to unbelievers> only then can islam be called a religion of peace by all:

abari VI:138 "Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting."
Tabari VI:139 "Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse 'And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'"
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."

Qur'an:4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
Qur'an:4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Qur'an:4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an:4:84 "Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you."
Qur'an:4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: 'You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."
Qur'an:4:100 "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."
Qur'an:4:102 "When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come - taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment."
Qur'an:4:104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by reindeer: 8:33pm On Jan 03, 2011
BinghiNya:

Muslims,


Please ignore the deluded ones. Islam and Christians both have renegades. People have forgotten how Captain Philips massacred benin people. They forgot how africans were sold into slavery. They forgot how muslims are terrorized day and night in the name of preaching at home, in offices, weherever. They forgot how gazan kids were massacred in thousands some years ago. Rev King is a muslim. Jimmy Swaggart is a muslim. TB Joshua is a muslim. Rev. Adeboye who prays for robbers and looters is a muslim. The eastern Killers and Robbers are muslims. The Catholic priests who sleep with kids are also muslims. Don't throw stone when u live in a glass house. My aunt once threw me out of the house for not attending a church. I am muslim and i am proud to be one. There is only One God, Allah Akbar.

This is an example of one of those that should be tossed out of mosques.
Obviously didnt read the earlier posts, jumps in and starts to rant and give excuses for the killing of innocents. Did anyone deny those events happened? No, people have only been saying there is no place for such in civilised world.
He( or more likely 'it') is one of those brainwashed into justifying and glorifying killing innocent people in the name of religion.As long as things like this poster roams freely islam will never have a different face.Obviously the lives lost mean nothing to it since its justifiable as white men took african slaves(ignoring the millions of Arab Slaves).
Really we need to educate Nigerians as only illiteracy can encourage thought patterns like this.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by numiko(m): 10:05pm On Jan 03, 2011
@auwal87, u obviously don`t know much about Islamic history and present day World affairs. Talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words. If Islam was truly a religion of peace we wouldn`t have Muslims from all the four corners of the World killing and bombing innocent people, for Allah and his messenger. Islam was founded on violence and it`s followers have carried on the tradition. Tell me, how did Usman Danfodio spread Islam in Nigeria? How many raids and wars did Mohamed(PBUH) personally waged on the unbelievers? Read the hadith and Koran with an open mind and u will see that it`s filled with nothing but violence and vengeance. Islam is called imole in Yoruba, meaning forced knowledge.

For your information the Popes have fought very bloody wars over time, and that is just for starters. Most online commentators in the country are quite ignorant about their own country and it's people and that is why most people would rather stay off, just to maintain their sanity. Nigerians have lost the ability to ask simple fundamentals questions - such as why now in Jos, and why at this time in Maiduguri. We have simply lost it, just as we have lost our ability to provide leadership in the country.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Saidsalla(m): 10:06pm On Jan 03, 2011
About Islam,nobody has d ryt to curse,to hurt or to kill anyone. But Islam permits takin a revenge but witout exceedings- look back durin obj administran how muslims are killed,their children r lost,their women r raped.To those who r sayin muslims should help to capture those behind jos/abuja bombins. Did they show thos evil doers,heartless ppl?! Are they not christns? Are they praticin xtianity? Who did they kill? Ants or humans? Only justice can bring peace. Muslims r commanded to do justice but how about those pastors that preach hatre towards muslims. Finally, i call for so-called boko haram to stop killins in borno and d rest to move to jos to help their brothers and sisters whom have been tormented in their own country by CAN.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by reindeer: 10:32pm On Jan 03, 2011
Saidsalla:

About Islam,nobody has d ryt to curse,to hurt or to kill anyone. But Islam permits takin a revenge but witout exceedings- look back durin obj administran how muslims are killed,their children r lost,their women r violated.To those who r sayin muslims should help to capture those behind jos/abuja bombins. Did they show thos evil doers,heartless ppl?! Are they not christns? Are they praticin xtianity? Who did they kill? Ants or humans? Only justice can bring peace. Muslims r commanded to do justice but how about those pastors that preach hatre towards muslims. Finally, i call for so-called boko haram to stop killins in borno and d rest to move to jos to help their brothers and sisters whom have been tormented in their own country by CAN.

Can people just imagine the shallowness of the mind this came from?
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Nobody: 10:36pm On Jan 03, 2011
It's natural that emotions are bound to soar in discussions like this. very few people here have made reasonable comments, Part of
which is the fact that,

1) The kind of teachings in homes and religious schools/centers should be carefully watched. Teaching extreme content will not help anyone in this country. Kids are smart and can pick up and continue behavioral patterns and points of views of adults they look up to.

2) Anyone who lives in hatred can never know peace. This goes to all religious grps in this country.

3) Attacking or killing people cannot be justified by any means and should be treated as what it truly is: a criminal offense. It must be seriously punished.

4) Religions being accused of extremism in northern Nigeria owe themselves and their religions tireless re-orientation and re-education of both mis-lead and innocent followers if they hope to reduce( if not totally change) the distorted views they claim many people have about their faiths or culture in the country and beyond.

Frankly, it's a little shocking shocking and disturbing to read some of the comments here by "educated/enlightened (and probably religious) young Nigerians who are at the very least intelligent enough to use a computer. Pls., let's remember this is an online forum, its a public thing and the fact that your faces are not displayed next to your comments should not encourage unguarded expressions of emotions.

lets be civilized and proffer solutions to this barbaric bombings and murders!! (well, i understand this might be extremely difficult for some of us whose lives have been torn apart in the name of religious or cultural extremism )

agreed. the OP should be commended for his efforts. i hope moderate muslims will make even more noise denouncing these horrendous acts. these radical muslims have declared war on your own religion, and it is you that must lead the charge to stop them.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jan 03, 2011
Anyway what is the purpose of this thread?

(1) A referendum on Islam which a lot of people who do not like Islam will jump on to attack Islam to their hearts' content or

(2) a genuine effort to rally Muslims (who truly understand Islamic principles) to rein in the terrorists

If A, let this thread continue the way it has been going such that the next time some innocent souls are slaughtered, we get behind our computers to rave and rant. Then we go about our normal businesses until next time

If B, let us focus on solutions

another person with sense. all you people that lack sense, please leave this thread and let those with a brain discuss among themselves.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Amalaaba: 10:43pm On Jan 03, 2011
It is unfortunate that the Muslim haters on this thread do not get the basic point we are making:
Christians whether 500, 100years and currently are as violent as Muslims. Whether as  Individuals or Nations Christians have killed more people (More than 10 times ) than Muslims.

Calaway, I have just checked most of your quotes; at best they are far from the truth and outright falsification. JIHAD is to do things to help humanity for example, remove broken bottles on the road, help the sick, explain Islam to people. This is the fight they are referring to.

Please read the following verses from the BIBLE: Luke 14:26, MATHEW 10:39, Levicticus 24:16,

You must interpret Quran contextually the same way you interpret Bible. That is fairness.
The Media should stop bending the perspective of their stories to portray Islam as Violent. All religionists can  be bad; whatever their religion.

THIS IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL KILLINGS BY MUSLIMS: IT IS BARBARIC, CONDEMNABLE AND INHUMAN.

ANOTHER POINT: Condemning Islam every time a crime is committed is TERRORISM!
The National Geographic Int, Magazine January 2002, USA at page 76 said: "A fifth of humankind follow Islam, the fastest growing religion in the world, and perhaps the most misunderstood religion on earth faced with with secular modern world, Muslims are turning anew to the root of their faith" Please let us be. Insulting us and our prophet will not make roads, Electricity, food, job e.t.c. to be available free!

JOS crises was/is not caused by Religion, but LAND and ECONOMIC factors, not the violent nature of Islam

CHRISTIANS MUST ACCEPT LIABILITY AS THEY ARE EXPECTING MUSLIMS TO DO.
HATE BREED HATE, SIMPLE.

When our leaders are looting they don't care about their religion or ethnicity; they form their cult, chop and clean mouth!
May the perpetrators not have peace! Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by reindeer: 10:59pm On Jan 03, 2011
Quote
It's natural that emotions are bound to soar in discussions like this. very few people here have made reasonable comments, Part of
which is the fact that,

1) The kind of teachings in homes and religious schools/centers should be carefully watched. Teaching extreme content will not help anyone in this country. Kids are smart and can pick up and continue behavioral patterns and points of views of adults they look up to.

2) Anyone who lives in hatred can never know peace. This goes to all religious grps in this country.

3) Attacking or killing people cannot be justified by any means and should be treated as what it truly is: a criminal offense. It must be seriously punished.

4) Religions being accused of extremism in northern Nigeria owe themselves and their religions tireless re-orientation and re-education of both mis-lead and innocent followers if they hope to reduce( if not totally change) the distorted views they claim many people have about their faiths or culture in the country and beyond.

Frankly, it's a little shocking shocking and disturbing to read some of the comments here by "educated/enlightened (and probably religious) young Nigerians who are at the very least intelligent enough to use a computer. Pls., let's remember this is an online forum, its a public thing and the fact that your faces are not displayed next to your comments should not encourage unguarded expressions of emotions.

lets be civilized and proffer solutions to this barbaric bombings and murders!! (well, i understand this might be extremely difficult for some of us whose lives have been torn apart in the name of religious or cultural extremism )




The quote above summarises what needs to be done, if we are honest.Case closed.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by seyibrown(f): 11:40pm On Jan 03, 2011
Saidsalla:

About Islam,nobody has d ryt to curse,to hurt or to kill anyone. But Islam permits takin a revenge but witout exceedings- look back durin obj administran how muslims are killed,their children r lost,their women r violated.To those who r sayin muslims should help to capture those behind jos/abuja bombins. Did they show thos evil doers,heartless ppl?! Are they not christns? Are they praticin xtianity? Who did they kill? Ants or humans? Only justice can bring peace. Muslims r commanded to do justice but how about those pastors that preach hatre towards muslims. Finally, i call for so-called boko haram to stop killins in borno and d rest to move to jos to help their brothers and sisters whom have been tormented in their own country by CAN.

Did auwal87 and some other Muslims just say that Islam is a religion of peace?  grin I don't think this your brother agrees as he is calling for the killings to stop in Borno and other areas AND MOVE TO JOS! I hope this kind of people move to the Islamic North(if he doesn't already live there) when Nigeria breaks up so they can enjoy his kind of peace in the Islamic North!

And was somebody also equating christians preaching to boko haram murders? E be like say some people prefer the murders of innocent citizens to sound pollution!
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by danbasco(m): 12:37am On Jan 04, 2011
please i need an explanation for this event of my life. A little deviation from the main subject though.

while doing nysc, as a class teacher, a student of mine was reading a book while I was teaching. After calling the boy's attention for the third time, I attempted to seize the book from him. He resisted strongly and almost fought me in my class and then jumped out through the window.

I didnt understand what happened. I got upset and threatened not to enter thier class again. All the student sat quietly, pretending not to know what was going on. Shortly, a little girl managed to whisper to me that I couldnt have touched the book. That I was not clean. That was when it actually began to make sense to me. The boy had been reading a quran and I was "unclean" to touch it. I gave up on the matter and forgot about it all.

When i mentioned the matter in the staff room, a few teachers just giggled, no response. On my way returning from school that day, walking along the narrow path, I almost got lynched. It took the intervention of my fellow corpers to save me.

What actually did I do that almost cost me my life? Can somebody please tell me??
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Nobody: 1:06am On Jan 04, 2011
^^^^^
Thank you God you're alive to tell the story. Many have been murdered for less.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by kabukabu50(m): 1:32am On Jan 04, 2011
danbasco:

please i need an explanation for this event of my life. A little deviation from the main subject though.

while doing nysc, as a class teacher, a student of mine was reading a book while I was teaching. After calling the boy's attention for the third time, I attempted to seize the book from him. He resisted strongly and almost fought me in my class and then jumped out through the window.

I didnt understand what happened. I got upset and threatened not to enter thier class again. All the student sat quietly, pretending not to know what was going on. Shortly, a little girl managed to whisper to me that I couldnt have touched the book. That I was not clean. That was when it actually began to make sense to me. The boy had been reading a quran and I was "unclean" to touch it. I gave up on the matter and forgot about it all.

When i mentioned the matter in the staff room, a few teachers just giggled, no response. On my way returning from school that day, walking along the narrow path, I almost got lynched. It took the intervention of my fellow corpers to save me.

What actually did I do that almost cost me my life? Can somebody please tell me??

You are very lucky that you were not beheaded,I would like the Muslims in here to reply to your post grin grin grin grin.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by cheikh: 1:39am On Jan 04, 2011
@Op- Pls bear in mind that before the conquest/forced conversion of the indigenous majority Hausa and other ethnic groups in the Northern states of Nigeria by the so called 'peaceful' religion, what was the faith/ culture of the people? Did their conversion to 'Islam' come about 'peacefully'? Many ethnic groups including some ethnic Hausa resisted valiantly to forceful conversion to a foreign 'religion' or as some muslims will say 'ideology' or 'total way of life'. It's all very good that the 'Koranic' texts are beautifully scripted and contain very beautiful 'holistic' practical guides for life quite unlike the Christian 'Bible'. The fact still remains that both so called monotheistic religions 'Islam and 'Christianity' did not arrive Africa in good faith let alone 'peacefully' in Nigeria. Is it any wonder that history is repeating itself? There are a lot of 'unfinished' business in Africa. 'Most' Africans have refused to acknowledge the Islamic(Arab) and Judae-Christian conquest/damage of Africa and the attendant dislocation/disruption of the African 'Psyche'. What religion or in the name of 'religious fervour', turns a placid Black man or African to commit atrocious crimes if not self abnegation or alienation of the worst kind(loss of self identity). Most of the so called muslims in the north of Nigeria are actually confused and in search of Identity hence it's almost too easy for the ruling elite(Fulani) to continue imposing their will on the majority Hausa using pseudo-religious blandishments to mesmerise the inherently peaceful Hausa. Almost all Hausa towns and villages are ruled/led by the conquering Fulani minority/elite- Ever since using 'Islam' as the rallying ideology/tool of propaganda to impress some of the people because there are sizeable numbers of non-muslims amongst the Hausa/ the rest of the Northern states of Nigeria. No where in the holy books of 'Islam' or 'Bible' is paedophilia stipulated/encouraged. Some misdeeds by individuals in so called 'Islamic' societies are wrongly/misguidedly justified as 'Islamic'. Most are basing their warped laws/ideas on social/cultural values that predate 'Islam' in those societies e.g the Arabian Peninsula, Persia(Iran), Sudan etc. How do you explain the fact that in Iran the female age of majority or marriage is nine years old which makes Senator Yerima's 'apple of his eyes'/ wife wink, look very old indeed. Pls bear in mind that Persia(Iran) is not an Arab country,nor culturally 'Islamic'. As a matter fact 'true' Iranian nationalists find it very offensive that 'Islam'/Arabic faith has been imposed as a national faith of Persia(Iran) by misguided power hungry minority using the ready made, beautifully scripted and seductive 'Islamic'  ideology instead of home grown ideology for national development/hegemony. Why can't the so called 'muslims' in Nigeria be like the Senegalese, Malian, Nigerien, Burkinabe and Chadians from whence the Islamic incursion into Nigeria gathered pace? Do they not have other faiths in those countries? Why no pseudo- religious inspired murders as in Nigeria in those places? Why is it the fashion nowadays that the 'Hijab' has become de-rigeur in some of the Northern(Sharia) states which was not the norm/style not quite long ago? The dour/colourless Middle-Eastern/Arabian inspired mode of dressing is surreptitiously imposed on innocent young women in schools/society which was not the case just a few years ago. Does the New 'Islam' with the attendant Middle- Eastern/Iranian inspired dress code, definitely not in the 'Koran' undecided or Are we just mimicking the Iranians and Arabs foolishly? Perhaps the relatively new converts to Islam in Nigeria have more 'zeal' and  monopoly of Allah's attention than the rest of us or perhaps it's because Impunity and Bad behaviour is Tolerated/Acceptable to the Nigerian psyche, hence the very regular brazen attacks/killings with little Outrage let alone serious retribution/consequence undecided.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by reindeer: 2:41am On Jan 04, 2011
Way forward.
This is a problem that desperately needs to be tackled.
Its just starting, it will get uglier if something isn't done urgently.
In Egypt where a similar event happened on new year's eve, the head of islam in the country made a solidarity visit to the church earlier today and commiserated with them, denouncing the senseless attack and telling the attackers about the wrath of allah coming to them. Will we see this in Nigeria?or are Egyptian muslims not as ''muslim'' as Nigerian muslims?
God Help Nigeria and save her from blood thirsty people.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 6:42am On Jan 04, 2011
danbasco:

When i mentioned the matter in the staff room, a few teachers just giggled, no response. On my way returning from school that day, walking along the narrow path, I almost got lynched. It took the intervention of my fellow corpers to save me.

What actually did I do that almost cost me my life? Can somebody please tell me??
You certainly encountered misguided people. Murdering somebody for touching the Qur'an is an act of ignorance. Afterall, you can walk into a shop and buy one
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 7:02am On Jan 04, 2011
reindeer:

@truly, what solutions do you proffer?
Somebody (I think it was Violent) has mentioned it. Let the muslims who know the true principles of Islam form a group and educate the extremists. They should further counter their misguided ideas publicly, and expose them wherever they can be found.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 7:03am On Jan 04, 2011
naijangel7:

Are you even serious? Are you asking what good  reasons non-muslims have for viewing Islam as violent? Have you ever heard the names "Alqaeda" or "Boko Haram"? I´m beginning to worry for your sanity.

Have you heard of "The Crusade", "The Spanish Inquisition", "IRA", "Lord Resistance Army", "Hutaree"
Yet, you have managed to retain the tag of peaceful. Nice PR work

naijangel7:

Truly, I truly worry for you o.


The question is valid. Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Do you believe that blasphemy is a sin? And if yes, what should be the punishment? Do you believe that the Bible should be reviewed to throw out those portions that forbid women from speaking in the church or require women to submit to their husbands in everything

naijangel7:

Stick to the context. What are we talking about? Northern muslims. Or is Boko Haram not from the North? Go back and read my post which you are referring to before you say all these off-point statements. And as for your demand for an example, my own family is a very good one. I have a second cousin married to a muslim woman from Maidugri. She has raised all their children (four sons) as muslims and they are in their 20s now. It is not a big deal in my family.


Are we supposed to judge Islam by the clearly misguided actions of Boko Haram of some people from the North? The irony of all these is that some people in the North debated with the Boko Haram people and reported their devilish views before they became a public menace

naijangel7:


True. They never go inside a church. How can a Muslim go into the house of worship of Kaffrs? It´s easier to just burn it down from the outside, especially when there are worshippers inside. Anything less will be defiling.

You are truly ignorant of the fact that it is not forbidden for a muslim to enter a church! A leader of the Muslim - Uthman (RAA) - entered a church in Jerusalem but said his prayer outside it.

You are as (or even more) ignorant as some of the muslims you criticise

naijangel7:


In other words, you were deaf to the loud criticism from the West, including American citizens themselves against the war in Iraq? Criticism which continues to this day? smh.


But you did not see the posts by christians here justifying the war in Iraq. Illussion2 said the war was for the benefit of muslims. Olokunba said it was fought to remove a dictator that was oppressing his people.

Is it not better, more honourable, to just support the war, rather than INVENT reasons that the protagonists of the war did not advance

Nigerian christians sometime take automatic positions against muslims on matters that do not concern them. I have seen Nigerian christian prayer books in which they pray for the downfall of Hamas in their battles against Israel
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 7:44am On Jan 04, 2011
kabukabu50:

You are very lucky that you were not beheaded,I would like the Muslims in here to reply to your post grin grin grin grin.

Muslims will reply as soon as christians explain these to us. (OP of these links pls allow me to borrow them)

Ibo Christian Fr Enuagha's ordeal in the hands of Southern Zaria christians
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2010/apr/04/national-04-04-2010-002.htm

Gunpowder Plot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

St. Bartholomew's Day massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre

French Wars of_Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

IRA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602995.html

Hutaree
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1361
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Amalaaba: 8:51am On Jan 04, 2011
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The number of Britons choosing to become Muslims has nearly doubled in the past decade, according to one of the most comprehensive attempts to estimate how many people have embraced Islam.

Following the global spread of violent Islamism, British Muslims have faced more scrutiny, criticism and analysis than any other religious community. Yet, despite the often negative portrayal of Islam, thousands of Britons are adopting the religion every year.

Estimating the number of converts living in Britain has always been difficult because census data does not differentiate between whether a religious person has adopted a new faith or was born into it. Previous estimates have placed the number of Muslim converts in the UK at between 14,000 and 25,000.

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But a new study by the inter-faith think-tank Faith Matters suggests the real figure could be as high as 100,000, with as many as 5,000 new conversions nationwide each year.

By using data from the Scottish 2001 census – the only survey to ask respondents what their religion was at birth as well as at the time of the survey – researchers broke down what proportion of Muslim converts there were and then extrapolated the figures for Britain as a whole.

In all they estimated that there were 60,699 converts living in Britain in 2001. With no new census planned until next year, researchers polled mosques in London to try to calculate how many conversions take place a year. The results gave a figure of 1,400 conversions in the capital in the past 12 months which, when extrapolated nationwide, would mean approximately 5,200 people adopting Islam every year. The figures are comparable with studies in Germany and France which found that there were around 4,000 conversions a year.

Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters, admitted that coming up with a reliable estimate of the number of converts to Islam was notoriously difficult. "This report is the best intellectual 'guestimate' using census numbers, local authority data and polling from mosques," he said. "Either way few people doubt that the number adopting Islam in the UK has risen dramatically in the past 10 years."

Asked why people were converting in such large numbers he replied: "I think there is definitely a relationship between conversions being on the increase and the prominence of Islam in the public domain. People are interested in finding out what Islam is all about and when they do that they go in different directions. Most shrug their shoulders and return to their lives but some will inevitably end up liking what they discover and will convert."

Batool al-Toma, an Irish born convert to Islam of 25 years who works at the Islamic Foundation and runs the New Muslims Project, one of the earliest groups set up specifically to help converts, said she believed the new figures were "a little on the high side".

"My guess would be the real figure is somewhere in between previous estimates, which were too low, and this latest one," she said. "I definitely think there has been a noticeable increase in the number of converts in recent years. The media often tries to pinpoint specifics but the reasons are as varied as the converts themselves."

Inayat Bunglawala, founder of Muslims4UK, which promotes active Muslim engagement in British society, said the figures were "not implausible".

"It would mean that around one in 600 Britons is a convert to the faith," he said. "Islam is a missionary religion and many Muslim organisations and particularly university students' Islamic societies have active outreach programmes designed to remove popular misconceptions about the faith."

The report by Faith Matters also studied the way converts were portrayed by the media and found that while 32 per cent of articles on Islam published since 2001 were linked to terrorism or extremism, the figure jumped to 62 per cent with converts.

Earlier this month, for example, it was reported that two converts to Islam who used the noms de guerre Abu Bakr and Mansoor Ahmed were killed in a CIA drone strike in an area of Pakistan with a strong al-Qa'ida presence.

"Converts who become extremists or terrorists are, of course, a legitimate story," said Mr Mughal. "But my worry is that the saturation of such stories risks equating all Muslim converts with being some sort of problem when the vast majority are not". Catherine Heseltine, a 31-year-old convert to Islam, made history earlier this year when she became the first female convert to be elected the head of a British Muslim organisation – the Muslim Public Affairs Committee. "Among certain sections of society, there is a deep mistrust of converts," she said. "There's a feeling that the one thing worse than a Muslim is a convert because they're perceived as going over the other side. Overall, though, I think conversions arouse more curiosity than hostility."

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Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by augustborn: 9:57am On Jan 04, 2011
Even in Lagos, u need the listen to the Muslims call for prayers anytime.

It is a call to attack the religion called Christian, their preaching is mostly name calling.

I hope if the christians were to preach against them they do to us, it would have been war and nothing but war, but one thing we must learn and know is that we all call on GOD and that GOD is the GOD that we know, no matter any attribute or other name you give to that GOD.

Therefore, respect for humanity must be topmost in our hearts. The promise of Ten virgins after killing is barbaric and absurd. It must be jetissoned and forgotten.

Muslims don't have monopoly of violence ooooo. Lets be careful not to provoke others.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by oneluvb55(f): 1:10pm On Jan 04, 2011
to them oh
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 1:41pm On Jan 04, 2011
augustborn:

Even in Lagos, u need the listen to the Muslims call for prayers anytime.

It is a call to attack the religion called Christian, their preaching is mostly name calling.

I hope if the christians were to preach against them they do to us, it would have been war and nothing but war, but one thing we must learn and know is that we all call on GOD and that GOD is the GOD that we know, no matter any attribute or other name you give to that GOD.

Therefore, respect for humanity must be topmost in our hearts. The promise of Ten virgins after killing is barbaric and absurd. It must be jetissoned and forgotten.

Muslims don't have monopoly of violence ooooo. Lets be careful not to provoke others.
How does call to prayer amount to inciting people to attack christianity. I have not heard it anywhere in the world that calling people to come and pray is provocative

Actually, christians have monopoly over weapons of overwhelming violence. 3 christian-dominated countries are permanently in the UN security council

Provocative actions by christians abound.
Christians publish fake Qur'an. Don't dispute it; I have a copy
Christians are more likely to initiate false stories about Islam. I can prove it too
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by Saidsalla(m): 2:20pm On Jan 04, 2011
These,and what israel do to Palestinians,and also what xristins do to Muslims in jos indicate that Truely Islam is the religion of God (but for those that do reasoning). because Muslims population is doubled and multipliying. Die with your rage whoever felt bad about that.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by reindeer: 2:30pm On Jan 04, 2011
Thank God the OP has a lot more brain tissue than those excusing innocent killings.
For those who think its justified, i hope you, your kids, your family or loved ones have a taste in the next senseless killings then you may have cause to thank your blood lust.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by comechop(m): 3:14pm On Jan 04, 2011
@Truly

Have you not been reading responses on here??
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 4:09pm On Jan 04, 2011
@Comechop
Read all the posts and say that again
The OP said : Muslims what can we do to stop extremism

Then people jumped in and started bashing Islam. I hope you read all of those posts. So how do all those posts promote the objectives of the original poster. I did not set out to attack christianity. But I will continue to respond to those who attack Islam and if necessary, point out the specks in their own eyes.
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by congoshine(m): 4:32pm On Jan 04, 2011
truly = Big fat jihadist with absolutly no brains cheesy cheesy
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by truly: 5:18pm On Jan 04, 2011
congoshine:

truly = Big fat jihadist with absolutly no brains  cheesy cheesy
hahahaha
Absolutely? Without brains, we are all dead!
Re: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by AzukaO(m): 9:23pm On Jan 04, 2011
@ Truly and Amalaaba

It is a pity the way you reason despite your presumed education. It is obvious that despite your pretensions, you enjoy these bombs and murders by Islamic fundamentalists. You will even sponsor them if you have the money.

I hate it when people bash other people's religion like some people are doing to Islam on this thread, but many non-Muslims get infuriated by the justification many Muslims usually give to senseless and barbaric murders of innocent people and they therefore erroneously conclude that all Muslims are the same.

If you truly love your religion, you should be scandalized about those who murder in the name of your religion and should not in any way justify such acts by telling us how Christians have killed others in the past.

There are Muslims in the South West and Edo State - they are very peaceful unlike those from Northern Nigeria. There are Muslims in Indonesia, Malaysia, etc - they are peaceful unlike those from Arab countries. Why is this so? And how can this Islamic fundamentalism be curbed before the whole world is consumed? These are the issues we expect you to address.

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