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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 3:15am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: Me sef I don understand why she carry Benin matter for head like gala Na she go tire Las las Oba gha t'okpere |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 3:17am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: No one dreams to be a lagosian... That place Na advanced slum |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:20am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: Don't speak for your brothers! They wannabe Lagosians so bad. Set awon land grabbers. 1 Like
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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 3:27am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Its not like u guys developed Lagos yourselves.. Work of a whole country plus colonial masters.... Na only Yoruba dey claim am...Lol Since the source of ur frustration toward the Benin pple has been known...I wish u well..lmao Keep fighting for the aworis the only way u can On Nairaland ..lmao 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:29am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: You are frustrated again.. Don't be angry, I was only summarizing the paternal side of your history for you.. "The Aworis were subdued and subjugated by Benin Kingdom and relegated to the background".. This is your history for you.. |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:32am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: Oh okay, now you've agreed that Lagos is more developed than your Benin of stench and blood. The Aworis singlehandedly developed Lagos since time immemorial (before Europeans and before Nigeria) to have green pastures seeker flocking in from everywhere -- even from as far away as outside of today's Nigeria. LegendHero has disgraced you all on your jealous claim of contributing to Lagos' development. Set awon developers. 3 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:35am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Aworian shut up.. You guys are even an extinct group sef (courtesy of Benin Kingdom). which lagos did you develop? |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:36am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: I am glad you didn't deny being a loyal slave of the Yoruba Oba of Benin. Having said that, thick-skulled Binis can hardly differentiate between making an empty dead claim and proving such claim. Lad, these two are not one and the same thing. But if seeing them as one and the same thing helps you sleep at night, by all means feel free to go ahead. 2 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:40am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: There you go again Lilliput.. I didn't make up any claim.. It's all over historical archives and you can read it easily on the internet (which you know already) that "Aworis (your tribe) were subdued and subjugated by Benin kingdom and relegated to the background"... only a Lilliput will say I made it up.. |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 3:42am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Lol..I never said Benin developed Lagos.. I said it was the work of the whole nation esp as it was the former capital of Nigeria In other news the aworis were once subdued by the Benin during the time of oba erhengbuda...since then the Benin have had to contend with the anger of Tao12 as she prepares to get her revenge On Nairaland lmao |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:43am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: (1) Listen up Oh ye Edo slave of the Yoruba Oba of Benin, I don't mind that you struggle to spell Awori correctly. I am not expecting too much from a dyslexiac though. (2) See embedded video of the Aworis of Lagos and Ogun States paying homage to Oba Ogunwusi at their root -- Ile-Ife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-cG1nC8fM (3) The same Lagos of your dreams. Cheers! 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 3:45am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: Bro...have u ever wondered why Tao is seen on any nairaland thread that talks abt Benin history This is because "Aworis (your tribe) were subdued and subjugated by Benin kingdom and relegated to the background".. I guess she is still waiting for father Columbine to state that it never happened...lmao |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 3:51am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: I can understand why you hate the innocent French Father and why his name stuck. Anyways, keep reading along! davidnazee: Which historical archive? Remeber how I once disgraced one of your brothers when he though this lie will pass through me? Like I said, if an unsubstantiable claim gives you the needed peace to be able to sleep, by all means go ahead. The undeniable substantiable historical fact, however, is of Ife's ascendancy over your 2by2 kingdom. Let's not even go again into how your 2by2 kingdom was slaughtered for fun by Ibadan, Ilesa, Isan, Nupe, Igbo, and countless others. Hold on! Is "Lilliput" the latest addition to your vocabulary bank? Does it remind you of the aboriginal settlers of your Edo land? -- Ivbirinwineko. 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 4:01am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Lilliput, nobody cares about yoruba or awori roots (just as British colonial masters didn't care about African roots when conquering). We conquered and colonized all of your ancestors for over 500 years.. That is what matters.. If Oba of Benin visits Lagos, I bet the Oba of Lagos will give his throne to the Oba of Benin to sit on out of respect.. But if your Ooni visits he will be given a joko to simbe on... lol.. |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 4:07am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: I ask again: Is "Lilliput", the latest addition to your vocabulary bank? Does it remind you of your autochthonous ancestors? No, that video was meant to disgrace you for your ignorant statement that Awori is "an extinct group". No, the only thing that was conquered and colonized is your Edo unsubstatiable lies -- including the one about Lagos which I'm conquering and colonizing at the moment. If Oba of Benin visits Lagos, I bet the Oba of Lagos will give his throne to the Oba of Benin to sit on out of respect.. But if your Ooni visits he will be given a joko to simbe on... lol.. Looks like your lies weren't effective in helping to put you to sleep. May be your fantasies will anyways. 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 4:18am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Poor you... even online your frustration is glaring.. yes "Lilliput" is my latest vocabulary for you. It describes your level of reasoning.. Which of my claims are you conquering? That Benin Kingdom subdued and subjugated the Aworis (your tribe)? That Benin Kingdom relegated Aworis (your tribe) to the background? That the Aworis (your tribe) are now an extinct group? please which of these claims are you conquering? |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 4:31am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: (1) Good for you for just stumbling upon the word "Lilliput" recently. I have since learnt of how it perfectly mirrors the original ancestors of the Edos. (2) The same ones I just conquered. See them again for emphasis. (a) "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" -- Hitchens' Razor by Christopher Hitchens. (b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-cG1nC8fM (3) They've just been re-stated for emphasis. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by RuggedSniper: 4:32am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12:@TAO12... Ahaa! My gut feeling and Sherlock Holmes instincts are right about your aristocratic lineages to Ife and Iddo/Lagos Islands via Ota/Isheri. Awesome stuff! Yup... I've got roots in the West side too. Did you know that 'Olu317' on NL is also from a royal line in Ife? You may both wish to link up on NL. I will ask you 2 quick questions here about the full etymology of Eko (pepper farm?... the war camp Wikipedia definition is far-fetched), and 2nd, if Iruland (i.e, Victoria Island) is owned by the Awori-Yoruba or is it the Ijebu-Yoruba of Lagos State. Last but not least, thanks again for your brilliant reply. 2 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 4:51am On Jun 10, 2020 |
RuggedSniper: Yes oo, emi l'omo k'a f'okpa wa, k'a f'aje wa, k'a f'ogede-gede owo wa oko de Isheri Olofin. Yeah, I believe so about Olu. But that bro is a die- hard Hebrew wanna-be for interesting reasons. The name "Eko" seem to me to be a phono-semantic matching of Yoruba and Edo from the earlier original Yoruba name of the "Lagos" settlement, "Oko". Talking about ownership, as far as the historical evidence is concerned, the "Lagos" region was first settled by the Aworis. No doubt some Binis, Ijebus, and others who later came to be attracted there for trade purposes, did become absorbed. 2 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 5:06am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Why do you always like to paint history with deceptive colours? The Aworis were settled only on one of the islands that makes up present day Lagos.. Vast parts of present Lagos Islands were unhabited, owned by nobody. The Edo warriors came, subdued the Aworis on their island and established military garrisons on the other unhabited Islands. These military posts also served as camps for many Edo traders. These camps grew into settlements which absorbed the other original Awori settlement. Other Yoruba tribes like the Ijebus began to migrate to Lagos after it was a thriving town thanks to Benin Kingdom which was already ruling Lagos. The yoruba tribes migration to Lagos was mainly due to the wars and conflicts plaging Yorubalands.. Lagos serves as a place of refuge for the migrants many of whom settled on Lagos mainland and under the protaction of Benin Kingdom. |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 5:14am On Jun 10, 2020 |
davidnazee: You are beginning to sound deranged as usual. Aworis settled all across Lagos. Iddo, Isheri, Iru, Ibeju, parts of Epe, Ketu, Ikeja, Ipakodo in Ikorodu, among many other places along Lagos coast and inland. You've been understood to be a clown. You're only seeking how to put your self to sleep tonight. And again for all your other claims here: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" -- Hitchens' Razor by Christopher Hitchens. 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by RuggedSniper: 5:20am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12:Awesome reply... and the oriki too! Thanks for the Eko clarifications. @Olu and Hebrew are like Siamese twins... LOL. OK then, I wish you a GREAT month ahead. Bye. 2 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 7:16am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: (1) I am glad you humbly activated your denial mode. Lagos' development is a process which began in ancient times by the owners -- the Aworis. No wonder they've been attracting migrants, since ancient times, from all over. (2) Refer to my point (2a) at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity/12#90501582 Also refer to my comment at the following link: https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90502447 Cheers! 2 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 10:08am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Lol..So Lagos was more developed than other tribes prior to colonialism lmao... Tell me another thing that I dont know Well...I don't want us to deviate from the fact that The Awori were subjugated, defeated, and relegated to their backyard in their own house Since then...A certain Tao said that the Benin will not have peace until she finally gets her revenge.. On Nairaland |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 10:14am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Don't worry.... we know go follow u argue again... We've seen that threads abt Benin makes u come quicker than expected... Little Wonder why all 546 post of urs is all about the Benin kingdom... u must be so obsessed abt us Lets not forget the fact that The Awori were defeated by the Benin during the reign of Oba Erhengbuda and a certain Tao is looking for a source that says otherwise lmao 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 10:43am On Jun 10, 2020 |
TAO12: Lol... Historians have already found out that the name eko is of Benin origin meaning camp But a certain Tao is saying it was a corrupted word lmao ... The Bini were obviously attracted there and we came, we saw and we conquered ur fathers ... less than 400 yrs later...A certain Yoruba gal that seems aggrieved for her forefathers loss is trying to rewrite history through Nairaland looool By the way... According to Williams Lizzie (2008). Nigeria: The Bradt Travel Guide . Bradt Travel Guides. p. 110...In the 16th century, the Awori settlement was conquered by the Benin Empire and the island became a Benin war-camp called "Eko" under Oba Orhogbua, the Oba of Benin at the time Also Smith, Robert Sydney (1988). Kingdoms of the Yoruba (3 ed.). University of Wisconsin Press . p. 73. also confirms this... The name Eko shows Bini origins but a certain emotional Nairaland claims that the name was a corrupted word... Nor cry u hear...God wee do it for u |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Edopesin: 10:46am On Jun 10, 2020 |
lawani:lols you have no idea |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO12: 11:29am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: (1) Yes! At least more developed than the Edos who were still roaming stark n@ked without shame in as recent as the early-1900s. Refer to the 1st attachment from page 24 of H.L. Roth(1903). (2) I mean, there are many things you don't know, but an interesting one which I would love to highlight for you is the following from page 103 of H.L Roth(1903): "Lieut. King found that “the king can sell his subjects when convicted of crime, or when they have incurred his displeasure." The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people are free, but are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons the king claimed male children, widows and slaves belonging to deceased subjects; he could hardly get much more, so that the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, and those who were not to the king were so to their chiefs." Please note that the Yoruba King of Benin wouldn't have considered you Edos as slaves if he was truly an Edo like you all. Moreover, he has the right of royal abuse to sacrifice any of you his slaves to Yoruba gods of Benin as is seen in the 2nd attachment. (3) Refer to my comment found at the link below for refutation: https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90502447 Also refer to my point (2a) at my comment found at the link below: hhttps://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity/12#90501582 Etinosa1234: (1) Your comment here reminds me of the funny 'audio-meme' which says: "Why are you running?". (2) Everything about you Edos seem to be about se.x. But I understand why. Many, many centuries of shameless dick and boobs swinging by men and women in the Edo country is sufficient enough to alter your brains' configurations. (3) This is only one of my four Nairaland accounts (and they are all well know to belong to me). I am just putting this out there in case you're really bent on delivering your Benin Kingdom from my grip of historical scrutiny. (4) I am obsessed with disgracing liars --no matter who they are. No wonder you said I'm obsessed about you. (5) First, you need to make up your mind on whether or not Benin Kingdom was truly ruled by two different kings at the same time -- the so-called "Oba Erhengbuda" and the so-called "Oba Orghogbua". The inherent contradiction in your account contributes to the evidence of glaring fabrication of your false and distorted Benin narrative of conquest. Learn to make up your mind the next time. Etinosa1234: (1) You and which historian found this? Please give us your colleagues names with quotation. When I typed the words "phono-semantic matching", I actually suspected that it will prove difficult for you to grapple with, and you didn't disappoint. A smart person would have read up. (2) The only conquering in "history" is that in which the Edos were subjugated to slaves, by the Ife royalty, till date. Anyways, refer to my comment found at the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/5910322/olokun-worship-indigenous-benin-other/1#90502447 Also refer to my point (2a) at my comment found at the link below: hhttps://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity/12#90501582 (3) By the way you didn't get those from the author you've falsely atttibuted them to, rather you lifted that off from WiKiPedIa word-for-word. You just exposed yourself to be a gutter junk Bini illiterate considering your Wikipedia-level crude argumentation. Anyways, do some reading and return here to inform us about the actual content of your author, Williams Lizzie. (4) Also, feel free to type out what Robert Smith said in his "Kingdoms of the Yoruba". I look forward to seeing that. Hopefully this time you will quote the author himself. (5) Yes, all Edo Lagosian wannabe say this, but unfortunately for you, the name Eko does NOT show Benin origin as you hope. And sadly for you, I am a Lagosian, while you are a Lagosian wanna-be. I'm already living your dream. Set awon land grabbers. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by hayoholla(m): 11:33am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Etinosa1234:[/b] Na everybody Benin dey defeat for war they no dey lose 1 Like |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by lawani: 11:34am On Jun 10, 2020 |
Edopesin:Ogboni came to Benin in the 1950s. 2 Likes |
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Etinosa1234: 12:14pm On Jun 10, 2020 |
hayoholla:Obviously Benin lost wars in fact Benin Empire became a shadow of itself in the 19th century No one is invincible |
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