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Goshen360:
Yes! He or she remain saved. The GIFTS and CALLING of God are irreversible/irrevocable.

2. The verse you quoted has nothing to do with being saved now, because the same corinthians ARE ALREADY SAVED but was wallowing in sin because of their background and environment.

3. The only thing that can make a christian loose his or her salvation is by denouncing the one he or she is in, that is THE LORD.

4. Sins doesn't UNBORN AGAIN a Christian. Sin and sacrifice for sins had been dealt with and paid once and for all times. When Christ returns, he's not returning to come deal with sins or sacrifice for sins no more....SAYS THE WORD OF GOD.

5. Ask yourself, does every sin or sins you committed but didn't even know it was a sin UNBORN AGAIN you?

6. Paul, didn't pamper the sins of the corinthians and we are not supposed to pamper sins in the church of Christ but Paul NEVER implied the Corinthians loose their salvation because of sin and later regained it back, rather he was hard on them and they REPENTED....that's what the verse you quoted is talking about.

7. The word "save, salvation, saved" are used to mean different meaning within its context. You cannot just lift bible verse from its context just because it mentioned save, saved or salvation, you have to follow the contextual meaning. That's one of the damages or error Image123 committed in his first response.

Scholar8200:
But what if the 'christian refuses to admit his sin or does so with no purpose of heart to avoid same (2 Corinth 7: 11,10)? Does he remain saved?

Gombs:
Exactly my thoughts. You simply simplified it.


Now, can you understand how/why Image123 claims one looses his salvation each time he sins and consequently regains it back after forgiveness?

promise10:
I hope that what you meant by the word "..being saved...and will be saved" is not that we are not saved once and for all?

@Image123, we were saved once at the cross for the reason of christ's sacrifice, which took place ONCE and for ALL.

And our STEADFAST FAITH in what gave us our first salvation, is what KEEPS US SAVED! So, when you say "being saved", that should mean BEING KEPT saved which ONLY happens through FAITH ALONE.

Now, what "..WILL be saved" should mean is that WE WERE saved, WE ARE BEING KEPT saved, so that shall NOT PARTAKE(shall) OF the judgment of hell fire AT THE JUDGEMENT DAY.

And that "..WILL BE saved" is NOT what happens in our life time but what happens on the JUDGEMENT DAY.

Rom 5:9;"9 Much more then, BEING NOW SAVED(justified) by his blood, we shall be SHALL BE SAVED from WRATH through him."

The wrath of God in that context is NOT what happens today, but the wrath of God is on the judgement day that's why we SHALL BE saved from it BECAUSE WE ARE SAVED NOW BY HIS BLOOD.

Today, the wrath of God is NOT now, but shall come on the judgement day. So, if today is not the day of wrath, what is today? 2cor 6:2 answers that!

2cor 6:2;"2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the DAY OF SALVATION have I succoured thee: behold, NOW is the accepted time; BEHOLD, NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.).

Today is not the day of wrath, but the DAY OF SALVATION. God cannot be saving and destroying at the same time. No way!

petra1:
A man is saved only once . The Adamic sin nature is replaced with the nature of righteousness . This experience is a once and for all experience . Which Goshen360 calls OSAS. there is difference between sin and sins. Sin (nature) is remitted but sins are forgiven . The new nature of righteousness which was imputed at salvation does not get taken away when a christian commit a sin. He didn't get saved by his perfection and he can't lose it by his imperfections. If he commits a sin , he still retain his nature of righteousness and it's by that nature he receives forguvesnes . None of us is perfect after the flesh . We do err by omission or commission . Judgementalisim is sin , malice is sin , wrong assumption is sin. Gossip is sin .

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

But none of this will take away the nature of God which came as a gift through faith . When a christian admits his sin he recieves forgiveness.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Scholar8200:
Did Demas lose his salvation?

petra1:
Not so. I teach one salvation .

But there is process . For spirit soul and body

That is for the total man . The spirit of man get recreated at receiving christ . The soul or mind is continuously saved by renewal of the word of God . This result in the perfection of the outward man also .

Image123:
This question more or less feeds logic. We are expected to consider the irrationality of the posit, while in real fact been born again itself defies logic even if once. We die daily, or at least Paul did,[b] so it goes to show that spiritually such a transaction is feasible many times. [/b]It is like bank transactions, they are limitless. It is like metal detection mechanism, it is not about the person or material's innocence but the presence of the metal. Once the metal(sin) is there, the conveyor will stop, or the door will not open. While Jesus abides with us and will never leave us, it is possible for us to leave Him. Rather unfortunately, Jesus is not a possessive spirit like the evil spirits who will possess their victims against their will.

Gombs:
One can loose his salvation, but not like some folks thin


I believe one can ONLY LOOSE his salvation the same way he got it. If he knowingly rejects Jesus as his Lord with the same mouth he used to confess Jesus as Lord. Atheists knowingly rejects Jesus, in reverting to Islam, you are made to denounce Christ. That to me is a point of no return. (though ot depends too)

I have scriptures to back it up..

promise10:
1. I totally comply with your no 1.

2. Your no.2 should not imply to mistaken sins alone, but to ANY KIND OF SIN. Please, don't forget that SIN IS SIN, we should not always try to bring the word "mistaken sin" into discussions like this because MOST sin that man commit is DELIBERATE. But, not withstanding, I would like you to list out sins that can be seen as mistaken and not deliberate before it is committed.

3. I view your no.3 answer as something TOTALLY FLAWED. What do you mean by "...we will ONCE AGAIN need the mediation of our Advocate,..."

You FULLY ignored that "mediation" in that context means reconciling/justifying. That's why you made it look like we ONLY need to be mediated when we sin and that is a TOTAL FALSEHOOD.

If we are only mediated "once again" when we commit sin, so it means that we don't need to be mediated when we are doing the right thing? In other words, when we live rightly God sees us as people who are righteous and KEPT MEDIATED(justified), but if we do something wrong, we cease to be mediated(justified) before him until we ask jesus to mediate us back. THAT IS A TOTAL LIE!!!

Why? Because this is pointing to the fact that we are saved(justified) by faith, kept by good works and abandoned because we did something wrong.

WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, LIVE AND KEPT BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH AND NEVER BY WORKS.

Eph 2:8-9;"8 FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH(believing); and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD:
9 NOT OF WORKS(right living), lest any man should
boast."

1peter 1:4-5;"4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 WHO ARE KEPT by the power of God THROUGH FAITH(grace and not by works) unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

WE ARE NOT KEPT BY DOING WHAT IS RIGHT AND WE ARE NOT ABANDONED BECAUSE WE DID SOMETHING WRONG. RATHER WE ARE KEPT BY FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST THROUGH THE POWER OF GOD.


WE ARE BEING RECONCILED BOTH IN OUR GOOD DOINGS AND BAD DOINGS. The worst of all is that you made look like our reconciliation is MOMENTAL, please that's a heresy.

Because, our right living is such a filthy rag to keep us justified before God, we are mediated through out our life, we are in faith(believing) and not momental.

Our mediation, reconciliation and justification took place at the cross but has a EVER CONTINOUS EFFECT on believers.

Rom 4:5;"But to him that WORKETH NOT, but
BELIEVES on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly, HIS
FAITH is counted for righteousness."

The ungodly is not only people who commit sin, but state of ungodliness is a state adam put us to. Our mediation is continuous.

2cor 5:19;"19 To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING(present-continuous) the world unto himself, NOT IMPUTTING(present-continuous) their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

This reconciliation takes place whether you are living rightly or not, by FAITH. WE ARE SUSTAINED BY FAITH.


The greek word for advocate is paraklétos which means intercessor.

Please, you have to note that Jesus' intercession that takes place on our behalf is not only when we do something wrong, but when we do something right as well.

What you have to understand is; how does jesus work as our advocate/intercessor? How does he advocates for us?


Jesus DOES NOT INTERCEED or ADVOCATE FOR US by always begging God the father to accept us but when God sees the faith we have in the punishment Jesus took on our behalf we are mediated, justified and reconciled!!! And this takes place whether we are doing good works or not.

And bear in mind that if we are living rightly, but do not rely on the faith of christ's finished work we are no more reconciled and mediated before God.

How does Jesus' intercession on our behalf works?

To understand how it works you have to know that we were ONCE AND FOR ALL interceded for, when jesus took the position of our sinful nature and FREELY declared us innocent by the faith we have in him and this took place ONCE. Now, by our steadfast faith in the perfect interceding work he did at the cross, we are steadfastly interceded as well in our life.


So, 1john 2:1 is only informing us that when we sin, we should REMEMBER that we have an advocate whose's atoning blood speaks for us both in good doings and bad doings. So that it will be to our notice that we are still justified in him. I am I saying this to promote sin? No, but to promote freedom from condemnation which has been FREELY given to us.

At the end of your no.3 you said this "...we come by faith and repentance."

We don't come by faith, because we are still having our faith(believing). The faith we are saved by is not a religion or right living but an act of BELIEVING on the finished work of christ which STEADFASTLY JUSTIFIES us. So far the person hasn't stopped BELIEVING on the punishment Jesus took for him on his behalf, HE HAS NOT LOST HIS FAITH(believing).

So, in a better way, we don't come by faith rather justification and God's righteousness is STILL IMPUTED on us by the faith we are STILL HAVING in our punishment which he took at the cross.

In the case of repentance, the biblical repentance is "change of mind" and not prayer of forgiveness.

"Repentance of a believer is the recognition that I committed— and changing my mind from works I have to do to stand right with God to STANDING STEADFAST IN BELIEVING WHAT JESUS HAS DONE FOR ME ON MY BEHALF TO ENJOY RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD even without the deed of the law."




4. We are not meant to live a sin-repent vicious life. But even if christians babes who are not yet matured in faith do it, they are justified for the sake of the atoning blood of jesus that was shed on their behalf.


5. In your no.5 I agree with you ,but1john 3:6 is never saying that christians are sinless perfect. Never, as I have potentially talked about that on a separate answer.

Hebrews 7: 25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Edelweiss44:
Before you quote me as a "baby christian" too, I will leave you with Romans 8:1 - "There is therefore now no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT"

In simple terms, if you think you are born again and in Christ Jesus, but you are still constantly walking after the flesh (making a practice of sin), then there is still condemnation awaiting you according to Romans 8:1

Candour:
I still dey but i got tired of religious and doctrinal arguments.

I still come here though, read anything of interest, SMH at some nonsense and leave

OLAADEGBU:
This reminds me of an experiment conducted in the videoclip below where we see people's reaction to a Muslim shouting dropping a box to a Christian's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=516czVdGsLY

AnnTee:
Wen I read the caption I tot the mod made a mistake, well now I understand better his husband indeed.

Goshen360:
....now with a better understanding. ..still not a license to immoral lifestyle. ...

ayoku777:
Christians will be rewarding for their Christlikeness (works done in the Spirit); and they will suffer loss for their unChristlikeness (works of the flesh or works done in the flesh)

1Cor 3v14 -If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Can you see that? Its not just good works that would be rewarded for christians, carnal works will also result in loss for them.

Then look at more scriptures that show the consequences of unrepented sins in the life of a christian.

Rev 2v5 -Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, EXCEPT THOU REPENT.

Rev 2v16 - REPENT; OR ELSE I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev 2v22 -Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, EXCEPT THEY REPENT OF THEIR DEEDS.

Jesus Himself was the one talking in all these verses by the way, and He was talking to christians -believers. And He makes clear that there is judgment and no automatic forgiveness for sins not repented of.

All these scriptures and the one in 1Cor 3 show that sin and works of the flesh in the life of believers have consequences in this age and will result in loss at the judgment seat of Christ.

The idea that only the good works of christians will be rewarded, while their carnal works are automatically forgiven and have no consequence in this age and in the next is biblically unfounded and many scriptures disprove it.

Shalom

KingRex1:
This constantly happens on IG nd Twitter.. Lalasticlala wetin do NL??

Abiagirl777:
Nothing has been done cos the girl even refused audience with her parents saying her decision is final I guess by now she go son born three child odren.
Just watching on her on television,I knew the girl was gone.

Charisplus:
As 5solas pointed out the message of "once saved always saved" was the one preached by the Reformers. The question now is "what was the cause of the Reformation by Martin Luther? If we have a good understanding of that it will help us on this issue.
The problem often times is that many of us do not even understand what really happened at the new birth in Christ. It is such a profound spiritual experience. The Bible says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the final redemption of the body. I often wonder at those who say after one is saved and commits any sins he ceases to be saved. The Bible says you are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God. The gift of God that is what salvation is. So if you lose salvation over every sin committed then God takes back His gift and gives it back over and over as it is believed by some that when you commit sin you lose salvation but get it back after you confess/ do restitution/penance etc. There is no where in the Bible where this back and forth motion of being saved and losing it is found. If salvation was dependent on whether we commit sin or not and keeping laws/rules, then what was the point of Jesus coming to die? There were enough laws under the Old covenant yet after over a thousand years no man was found able to fully keep that law.
If anyone be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things are passed away and all things have become new. If someone who is in Christ cannot be sure he is saved then what is the point of Christianity? Every other religion teaches keeping of laws/rules/doing good deeds to obtain "salvation" and even then you are not very sure you can make it. Christianity is the only "religion" that gives that assurance and the reason is because it is not dependent on you or what you do but on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. It is either you accept that Jesus' work(He died for your sins - present, past and future sins) on the Cross is enough or He has to come to die again or we need another sacrifice for sins!

OLAADEGBU:
Is there any comparison?

OLAADEGBU:
God bless you my brother. Merry belated Christmas and a blessed new year.

jascon1:
guys Hahaha what a sigh of defeat. Is me alone against you all. I decapitated all you morons and spat on ur bodies. That's what you get for trying to rape them JW and the entire Christians. Even if I were JW it doesn't change my mind set at destroying your soul in the furnace. See, you don't deserve to live. I wish I met you face a face I would rip you in pieces and splatter your rotten meat to wolves. You got nothing to cast, the world mourns your existence. You're garbage using a Nigerian name as moniker. you have no identity. Just an alien living in mental dumpsters. Don't twist people's minds, don't write trash for innocent minds to digest, just die!!! Demon

OLAADEGBU:
This must be a demon posting this as he signed Demon at the end of its post. This is evidence that not all who post on NL are human beings. Christians should watch out and not fall into their trap.

Anas09:
@Jascon1
You said you are not a JW, so why are you so hurt that JW is called a cult? Or are you lying? Are you ashamed to let peeps know u r JW?

Hmmmm. How long have u been on NL. We actually like OLAADEGBU. Only JW hates him. Sorry.

Caracta:
This is the new FP craze.

tolexy007:
God bless Mugabe, Love your courage...that is how to be a Leader, not by propaganda and lies


Journalist: Mr Mugabe you are 90yrs old now when will say Good bye to plpp of Zimbabwe as a President



Mugabe: Good bye to plpp of Zimbabwe? where are dey going?

Ojestas:
if he did it whole heartedly . . he will definitely be rewarded.

OLAADEGBU:
Did you agree with what Ben Carson said? Get an afterlife!

thecollector:
This is getting more interesting. El Rufai definitely cannot pull that without the consent of Buhari. I don't see Saraki remaining in Apc after this. I'm not a fan of his but the man has tried all reconciliatory moves with buhari, even prayed side by side in the mosque with buhari and his son. What kind of man is buhari that dosent forgive?