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Scholar8200:
If I had quoted this, you would be quick to say it is out of context and it is because vs 1 - 5 shows the chapter concerned Israel not the gentiles! Let me ask, since God's Eternal purpose was before the fall, if Adam had not fell, would it have been applicable to a 'chosen' set or all Adam's descendants? If all, did the fall change God's eternal purpose for man? My misunderstood statement actually meant that now, like Adam, we choose if we'll partake of that purpose by our reaction to the Gospel.

Scholar8200:
The purpose of God described therein was God's original purpose for Adam and his: his descendants that was to replenish the earth. The fall halted this temporarily but is resumed through the Gospel.

Scholar8200:
You sound as though God planned/predetermined the fall and made provision to save some.

As regards that which you claim is false, does it therefore mean that all God gives to those who are saved are after-thoughts because of the fall?

Does redemption not mean a restoration (and in this case continuation of that which was delayed by the fall and could only have been stalled if adam had taken from the Tree of Life after the fall)?

Beginning,to you, only retains its normal meaning when you want to support your position but it changes when it's clearly used to show that God did not get the 'idea' of Sonship through Christ because man fell, but it was His Purpose from the Beginning and though man fell, He immediately prevented man from missing out eternally.

And just as Adam had his choice to enter therein but fell, we all today have a choice, to enter therein by faith or not!

25 ¶ At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Scholar8200:
i will explain using Revelations 17:14,'... those with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful' considering this in the light of the parable in Luke 14:16-24, it is clear that the call is to all, he who responds joins the camp of the chosen; it's not some kind of arrangement that subtly sidelines our free moral agency! And even after that, Revelations talks of faithful after we have responded to the call and become one of the chosen.

Scholar8200:
This does not mean they were marked for salvation from the beginning! We decide if we'll be among the chosen or not;

The highlighted were God's original plan for Adam and his before the fall! These were no knee jerk reactions of an angry God whose creatures were enticed. That Adam fell did not mean God's plan for man had been permanently truncated! The only means this would have been achieved is if satan had succeeded in making them take of the Tree of Life then, that original plan would have been forever forfeited. The delay of the state in which Adam was to live forever shows that God still had plans for him and that is one of the reasons why the severe but beneficial action of chasing him out of the garden had to be taken Genesis 3:22.

An2elect2:
Did i just read, " We decide if we'll be among the
chosen or not" hahahahahahahahhhaha common!

Scholar8200 you still have not gotten it because you still think this whole thing is about man. God has a purpose and everything before Him is working in line with it. Nothing, no man can thwart God's divine will.

Maybe you should look at this hard truth

[b] 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come,
and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this ; but when Rebecca also had
conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having
done any good or evil, that the purpose of God
according to election might stand, not of works, but of
him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the
younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I
hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with
God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I
will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom
I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that
runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this
same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might
shew my power in thee, and that my name might be
declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy,
and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find
fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against
God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it ,
Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same
lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another
unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his
power known, endured with much longsuffering the
vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory
on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared
unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only,
but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people,
which were not my people; and her beloved, which
was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it
was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall
they be called the children of the living God.[/b]

Rom 9. There is no getting away from this!

vooks:
Many believers who live like Satan because they imagine God is helpless against them seeing He saved them will be horrified to end up in hell

Scholar8200:
This does not mean they were marked for salvation from the beginning! We decide if we'll be among the chosen or not;

The highlighted were God's original plan for Adam and his before the fall!

These were no knee jerk reactions of an angry God whose creatures were enticed. That Adam fell did not mean God's plan for man had been permanently truncated! The only means this would have been achieved is if satan had succeeded in making them take of the Tree of Life then, that original plan would have been forever forfeited. The delay of the state in which Adam was to live forever shows that God still had plans for him and that is one of the reasons why the severe but beneficial action of chasing him out of the garden had to be taken Genesis 3:22.

Scholar8200:
But He died for all didnt He?

And the command to preach the Gospel is that all men may hear and have the opportunity to believe or reject His Provision, isnt it? From your logic, the whosoever in John 3:16 is not sincere sins it has nothing to do with their choice, this is wrong. How about John 1:12?

Scholar8200:
Still explaining that the blessings of the Gospel was not God's response to man's fall but God's plan which He still executed though man fell. Adam after his creation was not meant to die (sin that brought death had not come); however, Adam was to be allowed to choose what state he would live forever. The fact that God did not forbid eating from the Tree of life proves this. In fact God warned Adam just as HE said to Israel," behold I set before you life and death...choose life that you... may live".

It was God's original purpose:
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Meaning apart from sharing His Image and Likeness and having dominion, God had other higher plans for man but man's free will was not to be dispensed with hence there was a time lag between the fulfilment and even after he fell,God's love found a way to avoid our missing His best because Adam fell. When I talk of other plans, remember Adam was never described as an heir of God or one to be seated together with Him! These were God's plan: that man will be adopted sons and joint heirs with Jesus His Only Begotten.

I see it this way, after creating everything, GOD Who Is Essentially Love (and Love always gives) desired a creature that He could continually give of His Inexhaustible Fullness to. That is why God's Fullness only identifies with our faith: expression of our emptiness and nothingness.

Scholar8200:
This does not mean they were marked for salvation from the beginning! We decide if we'll be among the chosen or not;

The highlighted were God's original plan for Adam and his before the fall! These were no knee jerk reactions of an angry God whose creatures were enticed. That Adam fell did not mean God's plan for man had been permanently truncated! The only means this would have been achieved is if satan had succeeded in making them take of the Tree of Life then, that original plan would have been forever forfeited. The delay of the state in which Adam was to live forever shows that God still had plans for him and that is one of the reasons why the severe but beneficial action of chasing him out of the garden had to be taken Genesis 3:22.

Scholar8200:
Which passage are you alluding to here?

Scholar8200:
Op, indeed God's purposes are Eternal; however is believing (man's part in appropriating God's provision) an act of the will or a spiritual reflex over which we have no control such that once we believe there exists no possibility of loosing the faith?

westmest:
Heb 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

jiggaz:
I am through with you. Just leave dis thread cos we can never agree.

jiggaz:
Datz so true my brother!!!! I thank God for God and i thank God for Jesus Christ too. We are blessed!!!!

jiggaz:
Amen my dear... It is well with and we should always beware of Fake Prophets that Apostle Paul told us in the Bible, teaching another Gospel. They have invaded dis thread already.

missdebs:
Quote of the day: Even Satan was not gay, he approached naked eve before adam-Robert Mugabe

Let the gays be gay in the United States and in Europe, they shall be sad people here.

OLAADEGBU:
Below are the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church

1) The Catholic Church is the one true church (CCC 2105),
2) Infallibility of the Catholic Church, (CCC 2035),
3) Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture (CCC 100),
4) The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ (CCC 2034),
5) The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation (CCC 846),
6) Sacred Tradition equal to scripture (CCC 82),
7) Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works (CCC 2036 CCC 2080 2068),
8] Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3),
9) Grace can be merited (CCC 2010 CCC 2027),
10) The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others (1477),
11) Penance is necessary for salvation (CCC 980),
12) Purgatory (CCC 1031 CCC 1475),
13) Indulgences (CCC 1471 CCC 1478 CCC 1498 CCC 1472),
14) Mary is Mediatrix (CCC 969),
15) Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation (CCC 969),
16) Mary delivers souls from death (CCC 966),
17) Prayer to the saints (CCC 2677),
18) The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ (CCC 1374 CCC 1376).

akinsal:
See this guy oooooo.......

omoadeleye:
those who dey do this op dem really follow him come interview oo, you really need deliverance.

An2elect2:
Lol okay. But can it be some other time? Am in a "passive mood" right now. Would love to hear i mean read what you have to say. Will you?

An2elect2:
Well, i have always thought the same too until i found it was not taught in the bible. Do you know of any one that taught this "so important for eternal life" doc? Jesus? Paul? Peter? where? you will almost discover none did! how then did it come? the fathers? who were they? was there any divine confirmation when they assembled to decide on the nature of God?

I've read about the Nicene assembly... and how the trinity emanated from pagan beliefs but has remained, unchallenged by many (just like the tithe lie) till today, the catholic church...cult being the main sympathiser of this erroneous understanding of the God head.

However,these were not enough reasons for me to abandon the trinity lie. Before that, i had upheld that God consist of three persons too. Believed so until i was pressed to look into it. I wanted the trinity doc to be true cos i felt it was the truth and has been for a very long time...and so many stood with it without questions. I wanted to silent my probing mind and just believe but i couldn't! Knew something was amiss. I asked reformed Christians, my brothers and sisters in Christ, but was shocked ...they didn't have convincing answers. They "marshalled" other doctrines and they were sound in all ramifications. But why not this!?
Some advised me to quit trying to understand and just believe! what! was i disappointed. I believe other sound doctrines because they were just that...sound to the mind but the trinity was not and till this day, is not sitting well with me.

And yes, i am unitarian when it comes to understanding the God head Am i still a sister?

Will you also torment me for rejecting what i did not see in the scriptures and for what is outrightly illogical?

An2elect2:
Hey.

An2elect2:
I know some of my brothers and sisters who are die hard trinitarians themselves...i will never fully understand why they believe thus and why they don't as much bother to scrutinise the trinity lie. I believe deceit and their strong orthodox backgrounds play a major role...but God knows best.

Nonetheless, there are so many who understand that God is just one being, who i can never call brethren for they err when it comes to the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

I think, knowing that Jesus is God is the primacy here. Once a person understands that Jesus is not just a man, or a prophet but the Elohim, the Adonai, the Jah, the I AM, the first and the last, he or she has subconsciously accepted God as just ONE. And nobody can honestly call Jesus LORD except by the spirit of God.

Finally, those fighting endlessly to see that the trinity understanding of God remains, may need to check themselves twice, thrice... until they see the load of deceptions on their heads. God need not divide Himself to perform.

An2elect2:
Wow Amen and nicely said I once fell for this false gospel especially Mary Kathyrn Baxter's heaven and hell "revelation". I believed it. l read some of her books and articles and also listened to her audio messages that it almost took the place of the Word. Was i scared?
hell yes! I lived in fear and of course didn't think my salvation was secured.

This gospel just makes salvation by grace a big joke.
And just like you said reinforces the lie that salvation can be lost.

@embolden Double Gbam!!! We don't live by special revelations, strange experiences, feelings, etc but by faith in the Word of God. I believe a thing because it is in the Word.

Wait, you say friend? lol my own, even if angel Gabriel comes down. Yea to give me that special revelation, no way will i fall for it. The Lord is my strength.

God bless 5solas.