HedwigesMaduro:


The law of "love the Lord thy God" was in existence when there was still the "an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" law was existing.

An eye for an eye refers to meting out in equal measure as you have been given which is still the Law.

That is the Law of Balance, Fairness and Just-is!

Does man do Balance and Just-is? No, therefore the Law of "Turn the other cheek" which does not remove the Law of Just-is and Balance, for the Law is Nothing if Not Just and Balanced, therefore Turn the other cheek, so that the Lord of Balance shall Weigh all and Balance the Rights Equally.

Simple!

But the Overwhelming Law that covers all Laws is Love the Lord thy God for if you do, you shall keep the Law of Balance and Just-is and the Law of Turn the other cheek, and all the Laws/Instruction of the Lord, hence as Christ said ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS hang on the First and Great Commandment of Love the Lord thy God and secondly, Love thy Neighbour, hence my Answer!

As we say in Law it is the All Encapsulating Law and All the other Laws, stand or hang (as Christ said) on it!

Kingsnairaland:

The great Paul Said he tried doing the good thing but end up doing the bad things you really think it by knowing the law that you can do it

At least you used the word "tried" exactly as Deuteronomy 30:11-15

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shoulder say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, THAT THOU MAYEST DO IT.

"Trying" infers doing so let us keep doing, if you want to Do It!

Kingsnairaland:

Let look at Adam

The first law says don't eat from that tree right

So tell me what exactly he ended up doing

If you look at God's Judgement over Adam you will see the Words "because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife" meaning if not for Eve, he would not have broken The Law.

Further meaning that he kept The Law until his wife made him break it.

And knowing Satan tests everyone, that the bastard went to Adam earlier but he failed and Adam kept The Law.

But because of sex and companionship aka "love" he listened to his wife!

Kingsnairaland:


You are a baby Christian

The rightoesness of God is a gift

Irrespective of what you did

In fact we were dead in sin and yet christ died for us Jesus saved us without us doing one single good thing

If so, that means a baby Christian knows much better than you, because if you don't know that the Word of God is His righteousness, and it's by keeping it you become His righteousness, then you know nothing in Truth.

If you really think it's a gift of God and you don't have to do anything to get it, don't keep God's Word, so that He'd reward you for your imaginary gift of righteousness when you appear before Him on day of Judgment.

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Dtruthspeaker:


shall Satan Witness not witness in favour of Satan Witness and give false witness in support thereof?

Only a stupid Satan Witness JW will think it valid that a Fox should be the Judge over a goose!

How do you even vomit heaps of rubbish so conveniently?
Satan witness? is that all you can do?
Except patting yourself at the back with your other moniker, you can never move a reader if you continue like this.
You're a grown adult and you should act like one.

jesusjnr2020:
If so, that means a baby Christian knows much better than you, because if you don't know that the Word of God is His righteousness, and it's by keeping it you become His righteousness, then you know nothing in Truth.

If you really think it's a gift of God and you don't have to do anything to get it, don't keep God's Word, so that He'd reward you for your imaginary gift of righteousness when you appear before Him on day of Judgment.

Matthew 16:27 (KJV)

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Well when God gives you his rightoesness he equally gives you the ability to keep his words that how it works it in the Bible stop preaching what you don't know

The lamb of God was killed before the foundation of the world

Before we ever started doing good

Doing God works or doing good comes after God shows u his love and grace

Because it those he chose that inherit this

You did not chose God rather God chose u

Dtruthspeaker:


At least you used the word "tried" exactly as Deuteronomy 30:11-15

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shoulder say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, THAT THOU MAYEST DO IT.

"Trying" infers doing so let us keep doing, if you want to Do It!



If you look at God's Judgement over Adam you will see the Words "because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife" meaning if not for Eve, he would not have broken The Law.

Further meaning that he kept The Law until his wife made him break it.

And knowing Satan tests everyone, that the bastard went to Adam earlier but he failed and Adam kept The Law.

But because of sex and companionship aka "love" he listened to his wife!

Deuteronomy and old Testament shows over five hundred laws of God called ceremonial laws which Jesus nailed to the cross because God knows no one can keep those laws

God said in the old covenant I will bring a new law taking about the grace law

Stop putting people in bondage

No man can keep those old Testament laws God knows that all God wanted is for man to cry out to him for help when we see we can't keep them

In Jesus we actually keep them because only Jesus fulfilled those laws

Dtruthspeaker:


At least you used the word "tried" exactly as Deuteronomy 30:11-15

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shoulder say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, AND DO IT?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, THAT THOU MAYEST DO IT.

"Trying" infers doing so let us keep doing, if you want to Do It!



If you look at God's Judgement over Adam you will see the Words "because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife" meaning if not for Eve, he would not have broken The Law.

Further meaning that he kept The Law until his wife made him break it.

And knowing Satan tests everyone, that the bastard went to Adam earlier but he failed and Adam kept The Law.

But because of sex and companionship aka "love" he listened to his wife!

You only assumed that he fell because of his wife love

That not what the scripture says

What actually God said because u listen to your wife rather than me means

Is that God was pointing out to us not to listen to other voice apart from his when it comes to pleasing God

Kingsnairaland:

No man can keep those old Testament laws God knows that all God wanted is for man to cry out to him for help when we see we can't keep them

Joshua, Job, David and co will laugh at you.

Kingsnairaland:

In Jesus we actually keep them because only Jesus fulfilled those laws

Did Christ not clearly say "Why do ye (you) also transgress the Commandment of God..."

"Thus have ye (you) made the Commandment of God of non-effect..."

You do not even intend keeping The Law not to talk of "trying" to keep it, as is within your right to not do so.

Kingsnairaland:

You only assumed that he fell because of his wife love.

Has not Natural living shown you when a man listens to his wife, girlfriend or slayer?

Kingsnairaland:


What actually God said because u listen to your wife rather than me means

Is that God was pointing out to us not to listen to other voice apart from his when it comes to pleasing God

You are only repeating what I said and only included the Moral of the story.

While I explained "Why" Adam broke The Law.

haddeylium:

How do you even vomit heaps of rubbish so conveniently?
Satan witness? is that all you can do?

I can say, the-evil representatives, "The Tell-you-what-you-wanna-hear Witnesses, Satan's Counsellors, Demons in Suits and Ties the list is endless,

But for now, I am ok with calling you guys your True Name, Satan's Witnesses.

haddeylium:

Except patting yourself at the back with your other moniker, you can never move a reader if you continue like this.
You're a grown adult and you should act like one.

Res ipso loquitur son, res ipso loquitur!

Their problem is they don't have identity so whenever they come in contact with people with unique Identity they become so envious that they want such identity tarnished, blacklisted and destroyed!
That's why you'll see them abuse, insult even curse one another in the name of TRINITY and they're not remorseful about it despite knowing fully well that they're all worshipers of the same TRINITY.
But whenever they sight anyone having a unique faith and nothing to do with their TRINITY they're puzzled that this one is different so they end up calling down evil on such a person. 1Peter 4:4
Whereas in TRINITY they're all confused! Luke 11:23

haddeylium:

Many of them cannot vouch for the teaching of their churches concerning the concept of God. Trinitarians of the same churches that are ready to have eachothers heads on a plate anytime at the slightest .
If the trinitarian God cannot unite his devotees. He has failed! woefully!
That clown with a confused concept of God passed down to him by the Roman Catholics and spices of personal revelation will come here to spew rubbish about a Global family of faith United in Teaching with LOVE, PEACE and JOY!

Kingsnairaland:


Well when God gives you his rightoesness he equally gives you the ability to keep his words that how it works it in the Bible stop preaching what you don't know

The lamb of God was killed before the foundation of the world

Before we ever started doing good

Doing God works or doing good comes after God shows u his love and grace

Because it those he chose that inherit this

You did not chose God rather God chose u

If it were up to God alone to choose, all men would be righteous and obedient to His Word, because God is not willing that anyone perish but that all come to repentance, so stop speaking what you don't know about. Matthew 18:14

truespeak:


An eye for an eye refers to meting out in equal measure as you have been given which is still the Law.

That is the Law of Balance, Fairness and Just-is!

Does man do Balance and Just-is? No, therefore the Law of "Turn the other cheek" which does not remove the Law of Just-is and Balance, for the Law is Nothing if Not Just and Balanced, therefore Turn the other cheek, so that the Lord of Balance shall Weigh all and Balance the Rights Equally.

Simple!

But the Overwhelming Law that covers all Laws is Love the Lord thy God for if you do, you shall keep the Law of Balance and Just-is and the Law of Turn the other cheek, and all the Laws/Instruction of the Lord, hence as Christ said ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS hang on the First and Great Commandment of Love the Lord thy God and secondly, Love thy Neighbour, hence my Answer!

As we say in Law it is the All Encapsulating Law and All the other Laws, stand or hang (as Christ said) on it!

It sounded like a law if revenge to me. That is if you take into consideration what Jesus Christ said after expressing it.

perezeghi:


That was one of the reasons Christ Jesus summed it up into "Love" which is still part of the law. If you truly love as Christ Jesus did then you'll not fault the other laws.

How does "stoning a woman caught in adultery" remotely relates to love?

perezeghi:


That was one of the reasons Christ Jesus summed it up into "Love" which is still part of the law. If you truly love as Christ Jesus did then you'll not fault the other laws.

How does "stoning a woman caught in adultery" remotely relate to love?

Dtruthspeaker:


And I answered him and he could not oppose it.

I didn't see where you answered that actually.

Dtruthspeaker:


As I answered perezeghi, there are some facts which we believe even though the scriptures did not expressly say so but we deduced them from surrounding evidence.

How did you deduce the devil impregnating Eve in the book of Genesis? Probably he impregnated Adam too as he also ate the fruit? That was some high level mental gymnastics to arrive at such a conclusion.

Dtruthspeaker:


He did not Amend it, He was rather warning us on the difficulty of executing it, RIGHTFULLY!

Which of course people fail very much in it and get into trouble.

"A Just and balanced weight" is The Law, "Not a farthing more, but when you are wronged, you would not want it less that, so how are you going to obtain that Accurate Balance?

Hence, Let The Lord give you "Just is" for He is The Only One who can give an Accurate Recompense.

Psalms 149:7
To execute vengeance upon the heathen, [and] punishments upon the people;

Difficulty? Revenge is one of the easiest thing for a man to carry out. He was actually instructing us not to revenge (which is a lot more difficult for a man).

OkCornel:


Please can you help us show how the law of Moses applies to Gentile Christians today? Especially considering the outcome of the Jerusalem council that held in Acts 15.

I tried to have an intellectually stimulating discussion with certain monikers but they’ve disappointed largely.

It doesn't. But people have been brought up to believe the laws God gave the Israelites apply to everyone. Christ is our Law as Christians ("looking up to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith". It means we must emulate Him.

HedwigesMaduro:


It sounded like a law if revenge to me. That is if you take into consideration what Jesus Christ said after expressing it.

I understand why you thought so, for of course man does not do right, therefore a Law for doing right, (as All of God's Laws Always are), man shall pervert and use for doing wrong as he has Always done with the Laws of God hence Christ was Preventing the Wrongfull use of the Law for doing Wrong and Evil!

HedwigesMaduro:

How did you deduce the devil impregnating Eve in the book of Genesis? Probably he impregnated Adam too as he also ate the fruit?

That was some high level mental gymnastics to arrive at such a conclusion.

You have been reasonable up till now and you did not need to be ridiculous to ask a reasonable question, simply because The Truth has made you uncomfortable.

For you thought I could not reasonably ground it.

You already know that it is impossible that Adam should get pregnant so keep it reasonable or stop the probe since it is making you very uncomfortable.

So how did I deduce it?
1) The Law of the Seed (Cain) proves the Tree.(Satan); Evil Seed, Evil Tree. "By their Fruits, ye shall know them"

I remember we were all surprised that Cain killed Abel, when we first came upon the story, why?

Because, we were not expecting anyone to be killed at that time and caught by Christ's Word in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father, the devil, murderer from the beginning"

And who else was the murderer from the beginning if not Cain and Cain's Son Lamech?

2) Genesis 6:4 shows us that sons of God could bare children from women and Satan is among their numbers as Seen in Job 1.

HedwigesMaduro:


Difficulty? Revenge is one of the easiest thing for a man to carry out. He was actually instructing us not to revenge (which is a lot more difficult for a man).

That is why I Capitalised "RIGHTFULLY" where "Rightness/ Righteousness Lives"!

HedwigesMaduro:


It doesn't. But people have been brought up to believe the laws God gave the Israelites apply to everyone. Christ is our Law as Christians ("looking up to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith". It means we must emulate Him.

If Christ is our Law, is His Law different from the Law of God? If they are not but rather flow from the Law Already in Existence as He Clearly Expressed ,then is it not clear that it is One Law?

There is no different Law, therefore if no different Law then it is One and the Same Law which even Christ obeyed whilst He was here with us and if you claim to be His Followers, then you Must Do Likewise for that is what it means to Emulate Him, as you yourself said!

HedwigesMaduro:


How does "stoning a woman caught in adultery" remotely relates to love?

Come on! Be reasonable, when your wife cheats on you, has she not killed you? Is that not why you scream "I don die oo" or "This woman don kill me". Do you not seek Just-is in return to kill her as she has killed you and even more if you could do so?

This Truth is Proven even here on Nairaland as Romance and Family Sections have shown us.

The Law is the Law of Balance and Just-is, which is as you have given, it shall be given you in the same measure you gave, and as you have done to another, it shall likewise be done to you!

Therefore as you have Killed, you Shall be Killed. And it is even seen that no reasonable person argues otherwise as even Romance and Family and even Crime Sections have Proven.

Therefore no Wrong in the Law!

And as Perezeghi has said Love sums the Laws up for where there is Love, there is no Perpetration of Evil but rather the Doing of Good and therefore there would be no need for the Law Prescribing the Treatment/Punishment of Evil!

But we all know man Loves doing Evil rather than Love the doing of Good therefore he shall receive his recompense in accordance with the relevant law!

truespeak:


If Christ is our Law, is His Law different from the Law of God? If they are not but rather flow from the Law Already in Existence as He Clearly Expressed ,then is it not clear that it is One Law?

There is no different Law, therefore if no different Law then it is One and the Same Law which even Christ obeyed whilst He was here with us and if you claim to be His Followers, then you Must Do Likewise for that is what it means to Emulate Him, as you yourself said!

Can you show us which of the 613 commandments in the Old Testament did God instruct the Israelites to love their enemies?

I could show you where Jesus turned the tables in the New Testament.


Matthew 5 v 43-48;
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

truespeak:


Come on! Be reasonable, when your wife cheats on you, has she not killed you? Is that not why you scream "I don die oo" or "This woman don kill me". Do you not seek Just-is in return to kill her as she has killed you and even more if you could do so?

This Truth is Proven even here on Nairaland as Romance and Family Sections have shown us.

The Law is the Law of Balance and Just-is, which is as you have given, it shall be given you in the same measure you gave, and as you have done to another, it shall likewise be done to you!

Therefore as you have Killed, you Shall be Killed. And it is even seen that no reasonable person argues otherwise as even Romance and Family and even Crime Sections have Proven.

Therefore no Wrong in the Law!

And as Perezeghi has said Love sums the Laws up for where there is Love, there is no Perpetration of Evil but rather the Doing of Good and therefore there would be no need for the Law Prescribing the Treatment/Punishment of Evil!

But we all know man Loves doing Evil rather than Love the doing of Good therefore he shall receive his recompense in accordance with the relevant law!

You're drifting from point to point. The law is not about love again?

truespeak:


If Christ is our Law, is His Law different from the Law of God? If they are not but rather flow from the Law Already in Existence as He Clearly Expressed ,then is it not clear that it is One Law?

There is no different Law, therefore if no different Law then it is One and the Same Law which even Christ obeyed whilst He was here with us and if you claim to be His Followers, then you Must Do Likewise for that is what it means to Emulate Him, as you yourself said!

So, why didn't the Apostles tell the Gentile Christians that asked them for guidance on how to live their Christian lives to go and obey the Mosaic Law? By the way, if a guy is uncircumcised do you consider it a sin?

Dtruthspeaker:


You have been reasonable up till now and you did not need to be ridiculous to ask a reasonable question, simply because The Truth has made you uncomfortable.

For you thought I could not reasonably ground it.

You already know that it is impossible that Adam should get pregnant so keep it reasonable or stop the probe since it is making you very uncomfortable.

So how did I deduce it?
1) The Law of the Seed (Cain) proves the Tree.(Satan); Evil Seed, Evil Tree. "By their Fruits, ye shall know them"

I remember we were all surprised that Cain killed Abel, when we first came upon the story, why?

Because, we were not expecting anyone to be killed at that time and caught by Christ's Word in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father, the devil, murderer from the beginning"

And who else was the murderer from the beginning if not Cain and Cain's Son Lamech?

2) Genesis 6:4 shows us that sons of God could bare children from women and Satan is among their numbers as Seen in Job 1.

God punished Adam for following his wife to sin the SAME sin. I still don't get your point.

jesusjnr2020:
If it were up to God alone to choose, all men would be righteous and obedient to His Word, because God is not willing that anyone perish but that all come to repentance, so stop speaking what you don't know about. Matthew 18:14

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"....If it were up to God alone to choose, all men would be righteous and obedient to His Word, because God is not willing that anyone perish but that all come to repentance,..."[b]

He that has an ear to hear, let him hear;
he that has an eye to see and read, let him do so.

The above statement is golden....

HedwigesMaduro:


So, why didn't the Apostles tell the Gentile Christians that asked them for guidance on how to live their Christian lives to go and obey the Mosaic Law? By the way, if a guy is uncircumcised do you consider it a sin?

The issue was clearly on "Circumcision" and not on the general keeping of God's Laws for they did Already keep the Laws and had no Issues with the Law save that certain persons, Pharisees in particular wished to lay on them the burden of "Circumcision"(of the physical) which they Rightly Rejected and which the Apostles confirmed to be Right for the Spirit of the Law of Circumcision is kept in the heart, which is the Circumcision (Removal) of Evil from the heart, which Paul did confirm in Romans 2:28-29, where he stated “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

Therefore having already circumcised their hearts they had kept the Law of Circumcision and where not bound to carry out the outward (physical) circumcision which the Apostles confirmed.

Thus the issue of Circumcision was Settled!

HedwigesMaduro:


You're drifting from point to point. The law is not about love again?

I have answered you that the Law of Love Prevents the doing of Evil which is the Sum of the Law of Love and where there is no Evil there shall be no need for Punishment of Evil exactly as Paul said had there been no sin, no need for the Law (Consequences) thus it is in your hand to Love and Prevent the Law of Consequences from taking place!

It is as Simple as that!

OkCornel:


Can you show us which of the 613 commandments in the Old Testament did God instruct the Israelites to love their enemies?

I could show you where Jesus turned the tables in the New Testament.


Matthew 5 v 43-48;
43 “[b]You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,[/b]
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

When Christ speaks you should pay attention to the Words he uses, for every word was deliberately used and are not there for nought!

Christ started by saying "You have heard that it was said.." meaning "you hear say..." which is what we call in Law hearsay, what people said and not what the Law said!

When Christ spoke of the Law, He clearly says "It is Written" or "What did the Law say" or anything to the effect of the Law speaking for Itself and not hearsay!

Therefore He was not referring to the Law but to the Hearsay, people held on to and then went on to Clarify God's Mind and Law on that Matter which is Love thy Enemies which is still very much in keeping with the Law of Love thy Neighbour which All the Law including the 613 you mention so much hang on as I told you afore, it is the Omnibus Law and if you check all the Law, you would find it is Already Covered by the Omnibus Laws of Love the Lord thy God and/or Love thy Neighbour and there is no getting around it!