bkbabe.97y:


Just Incase you think you have an idea what youre talking about: EVEN HERE IN NY WE DONT HAVE TRAINS LIKE THE ONE YOU GOT IN THE IMAGE ABOVE!

WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN NY ARE EXACTLY LIKE WHAT THE GOVERNOR OF LAGOS STATE IS PURCHASING FROM CANADA. Now, go figure!

Gekko:

I must say i'm disappointed at the standard of trains being inspected in these pics but i guess its a matter of wanting filet mignon but only chuck steak available  

Besides i thought light rails are usually more modern looking in appearance, these rail-cars looks several generations old.

A.Chigozie:

[size=20pt]FYI I am AA.  Don't get mad at the messenger, I'm just asking a question. Also don't try and run your hatred for Igbos either, my ancestors were Igbo and I won't stand for them being disrespected, wasn't it enough that your ancestors sold them into enslavement!?   [/size]

A.Chigozie:


[size=20pt]
simply because in your own words, "we shouldn't give Oyinbo, africa's wealth". . .  WRONG!!!!  I wrote no such thing, in fact I didn't even know an "Oyinbo" until I started posting on this site.  

Of course I'm making postings from America, because I am American duh.  See my previous threads for more information, I don't feel like repeating my family history right now.   [/size]

EzeUche_:

Eko Ile, don't let your hatred for the Ndigbo come into this thread.

You can tell by the way A. Chigozie writes that she is not Igbo, but an optimistic Pan-Africanist AA.

A.Chigozie:

[size=20pt]Why did he hire Canadians to build the trains?  I'm sure there are engineers in Nigeria who could have built such trains.  African nations need to stop giving their money to all these western countries, they are playing Africans for suckers.[/size]  

2mch:

Yes, that is why we want better. I have been to NY and i know the cost it takes to keep the trains running. They are very old. We need trains that can last 50 years. These trains he is inspecting are outdated. We also lack maintenance culture in Nigeria. We cannot take care of these old trains. It will cost too much in the end. Buy new ones that will be good for 50 years. Those trains he is inspecting are not light rail, not at all. I have been in light rail trains. If he knows he cannot afford the project, he is better off doing other projects than bringing this heavy metal, archaic junk to Nigeria.


My point exactly.

EzeUche_:

Eko Ile, don't let your hatred for the Ndigbo come into this thread.

You can tell by the way A. Chigozie writes that she is not Igbo, but an optimistic Pan-Africanist AA.

2mch:

Yes, that is why we want better. I have been to NY and i know the cost it takes to keep the trains running. They are very old. We need trains that can last 50 years. These trains he is inspecting are outdated. We also lack maintenance culture in Nigeria. We cannot take care of these old trains. It will cost too much in the end. Buy new ones that will be good for 50 years. Those trains he is inspecting are not light rail, not at all. I have been in light rail trains. If he knows he cannot afford the project, he is better off doing other projects than bringing this heavy metal, archaic junk to Nigeria.


My point exactly.

bkbabe.97y:


As I understand it, Your country cannot even give its citizens enough electricity to power an electric can opener. Yet, you want her to provide you with the SAME type of trains that countries that generate their electricity through nuclear technology use?!

Are you serious? Do you see the irony in your demands? You think these sort of trains are coal powered or you think people push them from behind, along the rails, from stop to stop? C'mon son, get real.

bkbabe.97y:

And now you can give yourself a round of applause! In three posts you just had to announce it twice that youre African-American just so "those damn indigenous Africans can shut the hell up and let the better black speak, huh"? Sorry, to disappoint you but aint nothing special about you on here; theres a buncha AA's running around here too. . . . and some of them got a reputation of being super-bad aszzes, so, watch out! Dont feel the need to act out the "I'm better than you" script some of you just love on here.

Eko Ile:


So because we lack maintenance culture, we shouldn't advance or solve our transportation problems right? Is this the supreme apex of your smartness? So we should just sit on our hands till we are capable enough to maintain our infrastructures? Is this what our leaders should be basing their judgment on or how our leaders brain should be running our lives? Just sit there and don't do nothing because we are useless and incompetent?

We complain because we ar5esadled with useless and incompetent leaders, we still fault and complain because we have leaders out there challenging and taking us to the next level.

Funny how the same silly crap was said and yelled all over the place about the BRT, but BRT is still functioning and the buses are still on the road. Agreed, you folks are used to lousy ways of doing things before BRF showed, but he's not your average beer and pepper soup Nigerian administrator.

Many of you try so hard to act like you are spewing intelligence, but in many ways, you sound backward with backward mentality.

violent:

who gives a rat's arse?

Optimistic Pan-Africanist my ugly butt!. . .the dude is simply a spoilt little Ibo roots,  born and bred in America!

violent:

who gives a rat's arse?

Optimistic Pan-Africanist my ugly butt!. . .the dude is simply a spoilt little Ibo roots,  born and bred in America!

Born and raised in the US of A !  My Igbo ancestors were kidnapped from what is now Nigeria and bought to what is now Virginia in 1710.  

2mch:

If Fashola is going to do something, he should do it right. He should leave a good legacy and something that works! Not do things to get from point A to point B. These trains are simply not good enough. They are also too expensive to maintain. Every country i know is trying to move away from these types of trains. ANything worth doing is worth doing well. If he knows he cannot deliver the best when it comes to these light rails, he is better off scrapping the project. This is human life we are talking about. He is a good governor no doubt, but he is going to be there for four years only. What will the next governor do? Will he give a rats as*s about maintenance?

tit:

chigozie is near right.
getting the trains from canada is 'outsourcing jobs'.
lagos needs a intra state rail line and regionally we need an east-west rail line.
we have ajaokuta steel that has been moribund for years.
turning iron-ore into steel is not like going to the moon.
and the more you do it, the better you get at it.
oyinbo were doing it 200 years ago when they did not have water closets.
they stuck at it and now they make these trains with sleek lines while we still import machets.

Gekko:

I must say i'm disappointed at the standard of trains being inspected in these pics but i guess its a matter of wanting filet mignon but only chuck steak available  

Besides i thought light rails are usually more modern looking in appearance, these rail-cars looks several generations old.

tit:

chigozie is near right.
getting the trains from canada is 'outsourcing jobs'.
lagos needs a intra state rail line and regionally we need an east-west rail line.
we have ajaokuta steel that has been moribund for years.
turning iron-ore into steel is not like going to the moon.
and the more you do it, the better you get at it.
oyinbo were doing it 200 years ago when they did not have water closets.
they stuck at it and now they make these trains with sleek lines while we still import machets.

ekt_bear:

1. Why isn't getting from point A to point B as cheaply as possible OK?--- His ambition to be president is what i mean. Window dressing is not good enough.
2. Why aren't the cars good enough?- They are simply too old and not energy efficient
3. How do you know that they are too expensive to maintain?- Check NY's budget woes and what it takes to maintain these trains, we do not have the resources and the average citizen will not be able to afford the cost to ride the trains.
4. How do you know countries are moving away from this sort of train? Even China, the cheapest country i know did not invest in these archaic trains.[/color]

/wiki/Toronto_Rocket_(Toronto_subway_car), they are just using a newer model of what Fashola is buying

Is BRF never tired of all these PR stunts? Elections are over and he sure needs to get going. The rains are here and the roads are getting worse, the traffic lights are not working, so many things need urgent attention and he still has time to be checking coaches undergoing fabrication. Na wa o

2mch:

[size=14pt]Provocateur: Light Rail Can Save New York!
[/size]
By George Haikalis

An artist's rendering of the proposal for a pedestrian-only 42nd Street with a river-to-river light rail system. Light rail--the modern version of streetcars--is a cheaper, faster and better-received solution to to expanding the transit system than many of the current proposals for new subways and regional rail lines.

An artist's rendering of the proposal for a pedestrian-only 42nd Street with a river-to-river light rail system. Light rail--the modern version of streetcars--is a cheaper, faster and better-received solution to to expanding the transit system than many of the current proposals for new subways and regional rail lines.

Proponents of plans to build the long-awaited Second Avenue Subway, Mayor Bloomberg's single-minded advocacy of an extension of the 7 subway line to the West Side of Manhattan and champions of a long list of other transit mega-projects have sparked a great deal of debate about the best way to expand New York City's transit system given limited funding sources. As the MTA weighs its options, it must consider three key issues: cost, construction time and public reception of the project. One proposal that is not currently a top contender for MTA approval is a light rail transit system on 42nd Street in Manhattan. Though it may not be as well known as the subways, light rail-the modern version of streetcars-would actually be a cheaper, faster and better-received solution than many of the proposals for new subways and regional rail lines.

Cheaper to Build, Cheaper to Maintain
The New York City Department of Transportation, in its 1994 Final Environmental Impact Statement, estimated the cost of the two-mile 42nd Street light rail line at $70 million, and the costs of rebuilding the remainder of the street-clearly in need of repair-at $30 million. Allowing for inflation, and inclusion of a plan for dramatic upgrading of the pedestrian environment, costs might be double the earlier estimate, or about $200 million. This would still be a bargain. At $100 million per mile, light rail costs would be less than one-tenth the cost of new subway construction in New York. The City's proposal to extend the 7 subway line for 1.2 miles to the West Side Rail Yards is estimated to cost some $1.4 to 2 billion. In addition, the operating cost of light rail would be substantially less than the bus service it would replace.

http://www.transalt.org/files/newsroom/magazine/033Summer/02provocateur.html

Eko Ile:

That's the standard ibo people's phrase for failure. When you ask them why ZIK didn't do jack for the east as their premier and the president of Nigeria, they say it's because he was a pan African meaning he cared about Africa ant the expense of the people the charged him to take care of.

Lagosians elected Fashola to take care of Lagosians and these clowns are talking about Pan African.
It's a messed up mentality.

2mch:

If Fashola is going to do something, he should do it right. He should leave a good legacy and something that works! Not do things to get from point A to point B. These trains are simply not good enough. They are also too expensive to maintain. Every country i know is trying to move away from these types of trains. ANything worth doing is worth doing well. If he knows he cannot deliver the best when it comes to these light rails, he is better off scrapping the project. This is human life we are talking about. He is a good governor no doubt, but he is going to be there for four years only. What will the next governor do? Will he give a rats as*s about maintenance?

bkbabe.97y:


Its always good to have an idea when trying to argue an issue. Jumping into an argument without the proper facts always makes one end up looking like a fo*ol; ask George Bush!

Dude, just a 1.2 mile extension of the 7 Line is supposed to cost us $2billion. Just on barely a mile extension of one line! ONE LINE!!! Do you know how many Lines there are in NY? 24 and 3 shuttles? Do you know how many hundreds of miles of train tracks NYC? Did you notice too that your report was based on a 1994 report?! Even NY has been seeking money to upgrade its train systems forever. . . .

My point?

If New York State doesnt have the money, I doubt Lagos State does.

The trains going to Lagos are absolutely perfect. If its good enough for NY, its good enough for Lagos!