SaintBishop:
Who ask for you
Stupid
Useless
Worthless
Vauless
Ugly monkey self
Opinion? Your cursed and worthless tribe is so useless that you have to hide under the Igbo jews to voice out your opinion if your vauless and worthless tribe is not cursed by God himself i don't know what it is

Go and tell your genertional curse to your ape of a father and to your baboon of a mother i am not inrested in it.

oOwo mi, daka mi. Cou jac Ami nam afo mpor o.

SaintBishop:
Who ask for you
Stupid
Useless
Worthless
Vauless
Ugly monkey self
Opinion? Your cursed and worthless tribe is so useless that you have to hide under the Igbo jews to voice out your opinion if your vauless and worthless tribe is not cursed by God himself i don't know what it is

Go and tell your genertional curse to your ape of a father and to your baboon of a mother i am not inrested in it.

oOwo mi, daka mi. Cou jac Ami nam afo mpor o...


Na your tribe na him be curse and lazy tribe..
Mtcheeeew

SaintBishop:
Who ask for you
Stupid
Useless
Worthless
Vauless
Ugly monkey self
Opinion? Your cursed and worthless tribe is so useless that you have to hide under the Igbo jews to voice out your opinion if your vauless and worthless tribe is not cursed by God himself i don't know what it is

Go and tell your genertional curse to your ape of a father and to your baboon of a mother i am not intrested in it.

Damn you are so soulless, see as you finished all Akwa ibom people.

oyatz:



You seems very patriotic abouth your ethnic group but you are likely to be a young man and quite naive about the issues of secession, creation of new countries, border issues and international politics surrounding such matters.


In international politics, the greatest factor that strengthen your claim to disputed territories is the political authority you exercise over the territories, it is far superior to 'languages or ancestries' of the present inhabitants of the territories.

Are you currently exercising political authority over Opobo or Bonny? Was there ever a time , these cities were parts of your kingdom/Empire? How did you come into the conclusion that they are your territories?


Read about many hotly disputed territories by different sovereign countries in the past and present e.g Kashmir in India Vs Pakistan Vs China, Jerusalem in Israel Vs Palestine, Western Sahara, Ceuta and Melila between Spain Vs Morocc, Brittany, Nagorno-Karabakh Region between Azaibanjain and Armenia etc

Having a huge army of 5M wasn't for fancy mate...
When the Croatian state sort to expel Serbian control over parts of their territory at the dusk of Yugoslavia, she mobilized a quarter of her population then, which was a million outta four for a patriotic war against the Serbian state. During operation storm(92-95), Croatia completely obliterated the Serbian state of krajina that was existing in Croatia.
The Igbo population is about 45M+, so if we mobilize 5M men in five army commands, fully equipped and dedicated to the cause of the fatherland, it'd be more than enough to expel the invader and completely obliterate the usurpers of our interests.... Afterall the Soviets mobilized close to 20M soldiers to expel the Nazis from the USSR and secure control of Eastern Europe.
Political authority is strengthened through the barrel of the gun and useful alliances, and we'd not be missing in both

oyatz:


This is victim mentality taken to a more petty level.

No well enlightened , educated and experience Igbo politicians/Statement in the mould of Dr Alex Ekwueme, Ubiti Ukiwe, Ukpabi Asika, Ogbonaya Onu will make these allegations that a minority ethnic group like Ijaw is threatening the interests of Nidigbo at sub-national level while Hausa-Fulani and Yoruba are threatening Ndigbo's interests at the National level.


This is unnecessary whimpering and embarrassing to the Ndigbo.


No ethnic group is threatening your interests, rather every ethnic group is trying to advance it's own interest.

I agree with you on this. Politics is a game of interest. Every group pick their interest first, sadly Ndigbo are lost in the wilderness. Since 1999, it's obvious we don't know our interest. Partly caused by our foolish follow follow PDP houseboy politics. The day Ndigbo forget about PDP/IPOB and her APGA sissies, is the day Ndigbo will be delivered.
A people that don't know what's best for them will keep on dancing in circle. Until Ndigbo focus on the bird at hand, which is Nigeria — we’ll keep on looking for the bird in the bush which is far from reach.

cheruv:

Having a huge army of 5M wasn't for fancy mate...
When the Croatian state sort to expel Serbian control over parts of their territory at the dusk of Yugoslavia, she mobilized a quarter of her population then, which was a million outta four for a patriotic war against the Serbian state. During operation storm(92-95), Croatia completely obliterated the Serbian state of krajina that was existing in Croatia.
The Igbo population is about 45M+, so if we mobilize 5M men in five army commands, fully equipped and dedicated to the cause of the fatherland, it'd be more than enough to expel the invader and completely obliterate the usurpers of our interests.... Afterall the Soviets mobilized close to 20M soldiers to expel the Nazis from the USSR and secure control of Eastern Europe.
Political authority is strengthened through the barrel of the gun and useful alliances, and we'd not be missing in both

You don't win war just because you have population but you win wars because you have SUPERIOR ADVANTAGES over your opponents. These superior advantages may include economic power, Superior Technology, population, Favourable geographical factors like access to the Sea and International land borders and above all, DEPENDABLE ALLIES.



If Igbo Republic tries to invade Ijaw Republic in it's attempt to gain coastal territories, think of the possible superior advantages that both sides may have.

Eastlink:
I agree with you on this. Politics is a game of interest. Every group pick their interest first, sadly Ndigbo are lost in the wilderness. Since 1999, it's obvious we don't know our interest. Partly caused by our foolish follow follow PDP houseboy politics. The day Ndigbo forget about PDP/IPOB and her APGA sissies, is the day Ndigbo will be delivered.
A people that don't know what's best for them will keep on dancing in circle. Until Ndigbo focus on the bird at hand, which is Nigeria — we’ll keep on looking for the bird in the bush which is far from reach.

Is that madness, naivety, myopic, or something? Sane people are talking of Biafra and freedom and you are talking about a failed state that will soon be taken over by the taliban. What a joke.

Malawian:

You didn't even add Igbos of Benue and Igbos of Kogi state.

What is the exact reach of their area?

BiafraInc:

Is that madness, naivety, myopic, or something? Sane people are talking of Biafra and freedom and you are talking about a failed state that will soon be taken over by the taliban. What a joke.

Soon! I heard rightly. Don’t be surprised if the failed state outlive most of us. You’ll be here shouting Biafla till 2090. Don't grab what is available now? Don’t vote for your interest? In fact empower UGM/ESN to chase development from your communities just like Taliban did in Afghanistan. Before you wake up from the slumber, who knows Maiduguri will be like London compared to Aba. The SE might find themselves lacking in political representation. UGM might have blown up all the futuristic seaport, railway and the likes. It will just be a ghost zone where everyone has fled to survive.

Keep alienating yourself from the centre by following IPOB/MASSOB. After all the only emancipation the fraudsters has brought to you is pain, lies, blood, tears, and postponement of the agreed date that Biafla will come. Didn't Uwazuruike say Biafla will come in 2010? Kanu promised you Biafla during Trump’s tenure? What happened to all the promises? Those ones have already dedicated their lives to scam. After all if Uwazuruike can eat fat from the struggle. Kanu came, made noise and collected his own share. Asari Dokubo I learnt is grabbing his. Simon Ekpa has now joined in the sharing of funds donated by mumu’s.

oyatz:




You don't win war just because you have population but you win wars because you have SUPERIOR ADVANTAGES over your opponents. These superior advantages may include economic power, Superior Technology, population, Favourable geographical factors like access to the Sea and International land borders and above all, DEPENDABLE ALLIES.



If Igbo Republic tries to invade Ijaw Republic in it's attempt to gain coastal territories, think of the possible superior advantages that both sides may have.

Coastal control you mean? Lol! What can Ijaw republic give to Bonny that they lack? Absolutely nothing. I bet you no shot will be fired. Bonny and Opobo will gladly cede themselves to Igbo republic as well as other communities in present riverine Rivers state. This I know first hand.

If you may know, Bonny, Opobo and Elem Kalabari became the dominate ports in the pre-colonial era taking over from Calabar because of her strong ancestral links with Igboland. Their sustenance which began from salt sales to the slave trade and then to palm oil was basically due to business dealings with the hinterland, not by fish sales with Izon boat gypsy’s. And in post Nigeria, the trio will want that economic interest to continue knowing that the benefits outweigh drinking ogogoro with sea dwellers.

Besides the economic benefits of being the sole axis for export and import of goods, the communities will benefit from the numerous gas pipelines from the eastern corridor of which Bonny LNG will need to be sustainable.

Captain8:
are you ok?
is iweala an Igbo woman or a delta woman?

Guy, you should take a break from Nairaland - especially, the politics or culture section.
Almost every single thing you've said on this thread is pure false. How do you do it? How do you open your mouth ( without any atom of conscience) and ooze out pure lies without minding the shame it brings to your people, or your reputation?
Take a break.

AfricanColumbus:



What is the exact reach of their area?

Substantial

SaintBishop:
Who ask for you
Stupid
Useless
Worthless
Vauless
Ugly monkey self
Opinion? Your cursed and worthless tribe is so useless that you have to hide under the Igbo jews to voice out your opinion if your vauless and worthless tribe is not cursed by God himself i don't know what it is

Go and tell your genertional curse to your ape of a father and to your baboon of a mother i am not intrested in it.

Sometime I wonder why the ijaws are so fucking lazy

RobbStark:



You get time dey answer these land grabbers oooo.

The East no do them again na to claim Bonny n Opobo as Ibo join.

No be today that matter fail.

Bonny n Opobo are Ijaws, they can slam their head on the wall of they want.
No inch of Ijaw territory will be ceded to landgrabbers.

Yoruba man you need rest

Eastlink:
Coastal control you mean? Lol! What can Ijaw republic give to Bonny that they lack? Absolutely nothing. I bet you no shot will be fired. Bonny and Opobo will gladly cede themselves to Igbo republic as well as other communities in present riverine Rivers state. This I know first hand.

If you may know, Bonny, Opobo and Elem Kalabari became the dominate ports in the pre-colonial era taking over from Calabar because of her strong ancestral links with Igboland. Their sustenance which began from salt sales to the slave trade and then to palm oil was basically due to business dealings with the hinterland, not by fish sales with Izon boat gypsy’s. And in post Nigeria, the trio will want that economic interest to continue knowing that the benefits outweigh drinking ogogoro with sea dwellers.

Besides the economic benefits of being the sole axis for export and import of goods, the communities will benefit from the numerous gas pipelines from the eastern corridor of which Bonny LNG will need to be sustainable.

Bros, we are in 2021 in case you aren't aware sir.


Right now, Referendum for Biafra will NOT hold in any part of Rivers State.

The Governor and the elders of Rivers State have dissociated themselves from Biafra.

You will be deceiving yourself if you think that you will jump Imo-Rivers boundaries and over so many non-Igbo territories to Opobo which is the most Southern point of Rivers State to claim the city.

Eastlink:
Coastal control you mean? Lol! What can Ijaw republic give to Bonny that they lack? Absolutely nothing. I bet you no shot will be fired. Bonny and Opobo will gladly cede themselves to Igbo republic as well as other communities in present riverine Rivers state. This I know first hand.

If you may know, Bonny, Opobo and Elem Kalabari became the dominate ports in the pre-colonial era taking over from Calabar because of her strong ancestral links with Igboland. Their sustenance which began from salt sales to the slave trade and then to palm oil was basically due to business dealings with the hinterland, not by fish sales with Izon boat gypsy’s. And in post Nigeria, the trio will want that economic interest to continue knowing that the benefits outweigh drinking ogogoro with sea dwellers.

Besides the economic benefits of being the sole axis for export and import of goods, the communities will benefit from the numerous gas pipelines from the eastern corridor of which Bonny LNG will need to be sustainable.

Look at cases of referenda all over the world, referendum for secession is only conducted for those who ask for it.


As at present , the people of Rivers State aren't asking for referendum.

It very funny how Biafran irredentists assume that the referendum will hold in ANY territory they want.


As a matter of fact, a period of semi-autonomous rule or self-rule always preceed the referendum.

If IPOB can transform into a political party and win Governorship and Assembly elections in Rivers State (and even in Anambra,Abia, Enugu, Imo and Ebonyi), this will strengthen their claim to include Rivers among places where the referendum will hold.

oyatz:




You don't win war just because you have population but you win wars because you have SUPERIOR ADVANTAGES over your opponents. These superior advantages may include economic power, Superior Technology, population, Favourable geographical factors like access to the Sea and International land borders and above all, DEPENDABLE ALLIES.



If Igbo Republic tries to invade Ijaw Republic in it's attempt to gain coastal territories, think of the possible superior advantages that both sides may have.

Igbos will definitely take back Ubani and Opobo, if the inhabitants wish it. No doubt Ijaws had a free hand in intimidating Igbos of Rivers state with the help of Fulanis, at the end of th civil war and have made aggressive attempts at Ijawnizing some Igbo areas.

But it will be in Ijaw people's interest to hands off Ubani, if Igbos come to claim it, because both Ubani and Opobo are among the very few outlets Igbos have to the open ocean. Resistance from Ijaw may result in Ijaws loosing core Ijaw territories, not previously contested and will expose long buried animosities like the abandoned properties issue and Boro's treachery. Ijaws already have hundreds of miles of coastline, and the few Igbos have, will not be ceded to anybody, otherwise Ijaws will loose large expanses of territories, just the same way Palestinians and other Arabs lost territories to Israel after the many confrontations they had with Israel.

oyatz:


Bros, we are in 2021 in case you aren't aware sir.


Right now, the Referendum for Biafra will NOT hold in any part of Rivers State.

The Governor and the elders of Rivers State have dissociated themselves from Biafra.

You will be deceiving yourself if you think that you will jump Imo-Rivers boundaries and over so many non-Igbo territories to Opobo which is the most Southern point of Rivers State to claim the city.

No one is talking about Biafra here. Biafra for one is not an Igbo idea as it didn't include Igbos in Benue, Kogi, Delta, and Edo. It's was mainly an eastern region affair as Ojukwu didn't see the bigger picture and ceded Igbo territories outside the east all in a bid to sit tight as Governor. Records of how he created the puppet Republic of Benin with Igbo territories still there and how he abandoned Igbos in Kogi and Benue to their fate in the north. So when Ijaws, Benin, and Igala began grabbing Igbo lands in their domain with fraudulent revisions, most Igbo elders kept mute as Ojukwu had already ceded them all for his egoistic power play with Gowon.

So Biafra as far as many of us are concerned is dead and buried. The carcass of Biafra is now the food of the lowest rungs of the society. Touts, thugs, cultists, never-do-wells, and failures who seek a way to escape from explaining to their Umunna why they failed as men. Some of them spent years in London with nothing to write home about, before setting up an IPOB company to scam the illiterate maga’s in the South East. You can call these men hyenas or vultures na you sabi.

But in this new dispensation, our focus is playing politics the right way in Nigeria. Get allies just like others are doing. But if peradventure the worst happens to Nigeria, the plan B is never dead Biafra but republic of Igboland, Ikenga republic or any name that identifies with our roots. And that includes every inch, none will be ceded to any tribe. If you observe, you’ll see that many Igbos aren't looking for brotherhood where there is none. All the places most Igbos are challenging have historical documents from antiquity, with backed-up linguistic evidences that even if we go to ICJ, we’ll win the case. But going to ICJ won't suffice because the matter is too less and can be solved with wisdom.

Igbos know their territories and anyone that wants to steal them should ready themselves for hundreds of years of hostilities. That one is guaranteed. The only thing that will bring peace is if everyone focuses on what is ancestrally and natively theirs.

For Bonny & Opobo only them will decide their fate. Their Kings and citizens. Not by INC or Ijo gangsterism which happened with the aid threats and genocide of the indigenes by land grabbing Isaac Boro. This time the story will be different.

Eastlink:
No one is talking about Biafra here. Biafra for one is not an Igbo idea as it didn't include Igbos in Benue, Kogi, Delta, and Edo. It's was mainly an eastern region affair as Ojukwu didn't see the bigger picture and ceded Igbo territories outside the east all in a bid to sit tight as Governor. Records of how he created the puppet Republic of Benin with Igbo territories is still there and how he abandoned Igbos in Kogi and Benue to their fate in the north. So when Ijaws, Benin, and Igala began grabbing Igbo lands in their domain with fraudulent revisions, most Igbo elders kept mute as Ojukwu had already ceded them all for his egoistic power play with Gowon.

So Biafra as far as many of us are concerned is dead and buried. The carcass of Biafra is now the food of the lowest rungs of the society. Touts, thugs, cultists, never-do-wells, and failures who seek a way to escape from explaining to their Umunna why they failed as men. Some of them spent years in London with nothing to write home about, before setting up an IPOB company to scam the illiterate maga’s in the South East. You can call these men hyenas or vultures na you sabi.

But in this new dispensation, our focus is playing politics the right way in Nigeria. Get allies just like others are doing. But if peradventure the worst happens to Nigeria, the plan B is never dead Biafra but republic of Igboland, Ikenga republic or any name that identifies with our roots. And that includes every inch, none will be ceded to any tribe. If you observe, you’ll see that many Igbos aren't looking for brotherhood where there is none. All the places most Igbos are challenging have historical documents from antiquity, with backed-up linguistic evidences that even if we go to ICJ, we’ll win the case. But going to ICJ won't suffice because the matter is too less and can be solved with wisdom.

Igbos know their territories and anyone that wants to steal them should ready themselves for hundreds of years of hostilities. That one is guaranteed. The only thing that will bring peace is if everyone focuses on what is ancestrally and natively theirs.

For Bonny & Opobo only them will decide their fate. Their Kings and citizens. Not by INC or Ijo gangsterism which happened with the aid threats and genocide of the indigenes by land grabbing Isaac Boro. This time the story will be different.

Ojukwu who studied History at Oxford University and was a District Officer in the colonial Administration (The equivalent of LGA chairman in the present arrangements ) beforen joining the Military knew better than you.


On what basis will Ojukwu be taking over supposedly 'Igbo territories in Delta, Kogi, Benue, Rivers'? Was he also the Governor of these areas.

It's far easier to dilineate territories for a people based on Geographical landmarks e.g Rivers, Mountains, Gullies and Valleys than trying to create a country for them based on acclaimed historical ethnic homelands because it's difficult to say where the lands of of ethnic group start and the lands of another ethnic group stop. There are always areas of ethnic overlaps that may not be easy and straight forward to resolve.


Byzantium (now Istanbul, Turkey), Cyprus, Smyna, Thessaloniki and Macedonia used to be Greek Territories but today aren't parts of Greece.

The attempts by Adolf Hitler to annex all lands where he thinks German people lived was the primary cause of the WW-2.

Today, German people are in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Leichtenstein and at least 3 other European countries

oyatz:


Ojukwu who studied History at Oxford University and was a District Officer in the colonial Administration (The equivalent of LGA chairman in the present arrangements ) beforen joining the Military knew better than you.


On what basis will Ojukwu be taking over supposedly 'Igbo territories in Delta, Kogi, Benue, Rivers'? Was he also the Governor of these areas.

It's far easier to dilineate territories for a people based on Geographical landmarks e.g Rivers, Mountains, Gullies and Valleys than trying to create a country for them based on acclaimed historical ethnic homelands because it's difficult to say where the lands of of ethnic group start and the lands of another ethnic group stop. There are always areas of ethnic overlaps that may not be easy and straight forward to resolve.


Byzantium (now Istanbul, Turkey), Cyprus, Smyna, Thessaloniki and Macedonia used to be Greek Territories but today aren't parts of Greece.

The attempts by Adolf Hitler to annex all lands where he thinks German people lived was the primary cause of the WW-2.

Today, German people are in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Leichtenstein and at least 3 other European countries

Ojukwu might have studied classical history but he didn't apply the practical aspect of it during the Biafran war. Gowon who didn't study history had the upper hand than Ojukwu because he took the advise of those who understood better than him. So studying history changes nothing if you don't apply it when it matters most.

To reply you on the points you made. First, the Greek conquered lands and people during the Hellenic period. And so those lands you mentioned many of them were independent ethnic groups who got annexed by another bigger wolf “Ottoman” now Turkey.

Germans on the other hand were never in one territory. Germania was the name the Romans gave to the barbarians who lived in that axis, and after the fall of Rome, there was a free for all landgrab by groups like the Frankish kingdom began by Clovis, the Huns headed by Atila, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Anglo who moved to take Britannia, and the successors of the Franks who apportioned much of present France and some part of Briton, Luxembourg, Italia and Austria to themselves under the holy roman empire headed by Charlemagne but which continued with Kings from Austria.

So Hitler trying to form or revive a single country for old Germania was a dream similar to the Italians trying to revive the Roman empire. Such dream by Hitler would alter the balance of power in Europe. Because there's no way you’ll annex Austria who had already enjoyed statehood, first as the successors of the Holy Roman Empire and second as the Austro-Hungarian empire ruling most of Eastern Europe before the existence of the German Reich. Or Hungary who existed before Hitler. Holland another old Germanic tribe that had formed a single identity called Dutch. Or by annexing some part of France who were rightly Germanic tribesmen as well.

Had Hitler kept to the unified Germany began by Otto Von Bismarck, rather than expand it no mans land, no one who think of dividing them into east or west after their defeat by the allied forces and Russia.

So your analysis on Igbos is faulty. Ndigbo have no agenda to gather the YEAI groups in the south and middle-belt to form one identity that will be similar to Hitlers landgrab. Ndigbo unlike the Ijo landgrabbers know their territories and are not willing to let them go, whether in Nigeria or in the apocalypse.

Eastlink:
Ojukwu might have studied classical history but he didn't apply the practical aspect of it during the Biafran war. Gowon who didn't study history had the upper hand than Ojukwu because he took the advise of those who understood better than him. So studying history changes nothing if you don't apply it when it matters most.

To reply you on the points you made. First, the Greek conquered lands and people during the Hellenic period. And so those lands you mentioned many of them were independent ethnic groups who got annexed by another bigger wolf “Ottoman” now Turkey.

Germans on the other hand were never in one territory. Germania was the name the Romans gave to the barbarians who lived in that axis, and after the fall of Rome, there was a free for all landgrab by groups like the Frankish kingdom began by Clovis, the Huns headed by Atila, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Anglo who moved to take Britannia, and the successors of the Franks who apportioned much of present France and some part of Briton, Luxembourg, Italia and Austria to themselves under the holy roman empire headed by Charlemagne but which continued with Kings from Austria.

So Hitler trying to form or revive a single country for old Germania was a dream similar to the Italians trying to revive the Roman empire. Such dream by Hitler would alter the balance of power in Europe. Because there's no way you’ll annex Austria who had already enjoyed statehood, first as the successors of the Holy Roman Empire and second as the Austro-Hungarian empire ruling most of Eastern Europe before the existence of the German Reich. Or Hungary who existed before Hitler. Holland another old Germanic tribe that had formed a single identity called Dutch. Or by annexing some part of France who were rightly Germanic tribesmen as well.

Had Hitler kept to the unified Germany began by Otto Von Bismarck, rather than expand it no mans land, no one who think of dividing them into east or west after their defeat by the allied forces and Russia.

So your analysis on Igbos is faulty. Ndigbo have no agenda to gather the YEAI groups in the south and middle-belt to form one identity that will be similar to Hitlers landgrab. Ndigbo unlike the Ijo landgrabbers know their territories and are not willing to let them go, whether in Nigeria or in the apocalypse.

First let me thank you for remaining calm and civil unlike most supporters and sympathizers of IPOB.


As someone who is well read, you ought to have known that;

1) There was never an Igbo Empire/Kingdom/Republic before 1914 that included or exercise sovereignity over Opobo and Ibani, so at what point do these cities becomes Igbo cities?

2) These cities don't share boundaries with other igbo towns/cities. It's just like Ghana trying to lay claims to Badagry!

3) There is no way, igbos can just move into these coastal cities , trying to chase away the present Indigenes and rulers of these cities and annex these cities without causing problems and drawing the attention of Nations and Governments beyond the region.
It will cast the Igbos in the mould of the aggressor and Invaders which will be counter productive in the long run similar to the 1990 attempts by Saddam Hussain led Iraq to annex Kuwait which caused the Gulf War-1.

Eastlink:
Ojukwu might have studied classical history but he didn't apply the practical aspect of it during the Biafran war. Gowon who didn't study history had the upper hand than Ojukwu because he took the advise of those who understood better than him. So studying history changes nothing if you don't apply it when it matters most.

To reply you on the points you made. First, the Greek conquered lands and people during the Hellenic period. And so those lands you mentioned many of them were independent ethnic groups who got annexed by another bigger wolf “Ottoman” now Turkey.

Germans on the other hand were never in one territory. Germania was the name the Romans gave to the barbarians who lived in that axis, and after the fall of Rome, there was a free for all landgrab by groups like the Frankish kingdom began by Clovis, the Huns headed by Atila, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Anglo who moved to take Britannia, and the successors of the Franks who apportioned much of present France and some part of Briton, Luxembourg, Italia and Austria to themselves under the holy roman empire headed by Charlemagne but which continued with Kings from Austria.

So Hitler trying to form or revive a single country for old Germania was a dream similar to the Italians trying to revive the Roman empire. Such dream by Hitler would alter the balance of power in Europe. Because there's no way you’ll annex Austria who had already enjoyed statehood, first as the successors of the Holy Roman Empire and second as the Austro-Hungarian empire ruling most of Eastern Europe before the existence of the German Reich. Or Hungary who existed before Hitler. Holland another old Germanic tribe that had formed a single identity called Dutch. Or by annexing some part of France who were rightly Germanic tribesmen as well.

Had Hitler kept to the unified Germany began by Otto Von Bismarck, rather than expand it no mans land, no one who think of dividing them into east or west after their defeat by the allied forces and Russia.

So your analysis on Igbos is faulty. Ndigbo have no agenda to gather the YEAI groups in the south and middle-belt to form one identity that will be similar to Hitlers landgrab. Ndigbo unlike the Ijo landgrabbers know their territories and are not willing to let them go, whether in Nigeria or in the apocalypse.

It will be difficult to expand or change the present boundaries without generating problems.

The only way igbos can have parts or whole of the present Rivers State is if the people of these Coastal territories on THEIR OWN clamour to join Igbos in the same country.
Anyone who is well conversant with the political History of Rivers State will know that Igbos have been laying claims to these Territories since colonial times and on several occasions, the indigenous riverine peoples have resisted these subtle attempts e.g The Igbo dominated NCNC presenting an Igboman as the major of Port-Harcourt, Igbo irredentists toying with the idea of changing the name of Port-Harcourt to Port Azikiwe in the 1950s and trying to make the igbo nickname for the city ,IgweOcha as the official name of the city.

The climax of the resistance of the riverine peoples to assimilation of their territories into Igboland was the creation of Rivers State in 1967, a master stroke which rattled Ojukwu and the Igbo intelligential causing him to declare Biafra three days later. Had Gowon created Rivers and Cross River States in December,1966, there won't be anything like Biafra or even the civil war.


The naming of the Port Harcourt Stadium as Liberation Stadium and it's recent renaming as Yakubu Gowon Stadium is a pointer to the feelings of the Rivers people towards joining 'Igbo Republic'.

The abadonned properties saga in Rivers State, the several public proclamations dissociating their communities from IPOB campaigns and the treatment of IPOB and their sympathizers by Gov Wike are also showing how these people feel towards 'Igbo Republic'

oyatz:



First let me thank you for remaining calm and civil unlike most supporters and sympathizers of IPOB.


As someone who is well read, you ought to have known that;

1) There was never an Igbo Empire/Kingdom/Republic before 1914 that included or exercise sovereignity over Opobo and Ibani, so at what point do these cities becomes Igbo cities?

2) These cities don't share boundaries with other igbo towns/cities. It's just like Ghana trying to lay claims to Badagry!

3) There is no way, igbos can just move into these coastal cities , trying to chase away the present Indigenes and rulers of these cities and annex these cities without causing problems and drawing the attention of Nations and Governments beyond the region.
It will cast the Igbos in the mould of the aggressor and Invaders which will be counter productive in the long run similar to the 1990 attempts by Saddam Hussain led Iraq to annex Kuwait which caused the Gulf War-1.

I appreciate your civilily and decorum as well. Maybe a drink or two would be needed in a lush bar on a Sunday in Victoria Island to discuss such exponential matters. Just joking.

But in fairness, Igbos are not known to be empire builders or expansionist. If by chance anyone is claiming lands not native to us, check clearly many of them might be misinformed.

For Opobo and Bonny, they were both independent city-states. Both with Igbo and Ijo heritage. Igbo origin and language and Ijo cultured. The early colonial historians had written so much about these groups that even Kenneth Dike who was the first indigenous Nigerian historian wrote his first book about the Niger-Delta states. GI Jones a British expanded on these facts and maintained the same thing — Ndoki-Igbo origin and language but Ijo cultured. Even when the Ijo sponsored revisionist by name Prof. Alagoa tried to change the Bonny/Opobo Ndoki origin by improvising an Ijaw origin, GI Jones sent in an academic rebuttal from London, to which Alagoa had to edit in a later version but this time claiming a reverse migration from Opokuma-Kolokuma to Ndoki.

Any wonder the Igbo-led Eastern region maintained the status quo and their independence by not enforcing any change or land grabbing them into the Igbo ethnic group. The Ibani or Ubani (Both Bonny and Opobo) kept their unique identity until the onslaught by the 52 brigade headed by the late Major Isaac Boro. Genocide and killings was recorded in both Bonny and Opobo and a host of other riverine communities like Kalabari, Andoni, Yeangoa etc. But the likes of Bonny and Opobo got it worst after which they were forcefully made to become Ijaws by threats. Funny enough after the changes were made, the land grabbers still failed to make the people to stop speaking their language. Despite several attempt to set up Finima-Ijaw language (which they called Ibani Egere) in schools, making it compulsory in Bonny and Opobo it still failed.

That singular incident of both Boro and the Ijo rulers of Old Rivers state kept them at daggers drawn with the Igbos and at the appropriate time, it will all be revisited. Currently, the Ijo landgrabbers who carried out that act are now in Bayelsa giving a lot of folks a breather in Rivers state.

Eastlink:
I appreciate your civilily and decorum as well. Maybe a drink or two would be needed in a lush bar on a Sunday in Victoria Island to discuss such exponential matters. Just joking.

But in fairness, Igbos are not known to be empire builders or expansionist. If by chance anyone is claiming lands not native to us, check clearly many of them might be misinformed.

For Opobo and Bonny, they were both independent city-states. Both with Igbo and Ijo heritage. Igbo origin and language and Ijo cultured. The early colonial historians had written so much about these groups that even Kenneth Dike who was the first indigenous Nigerian historian wrote his first book about the Niger-Delta states. GI Jones a British expanded on these facts and maintained the same thing — Ndoki-Igbo origin and language but Ijo cultured. Even when the Ijo sponsored revisionist by name Prof. Alagoa tried to change the Bonny/Opobo Ndoki origin by improvising an Ijaw origin, GI Jones sent in an academic rebuttal from London, to which Alagoa had to edit in a later version but this time claiming a reverse migration from Opokuma-Kolokuma to Ndoki.

Any wonder the Igbo-led Eastern region maintained the status quo and their independence by not enforcing any change or land grabbing them into the Igbo ethnic group. The Ibani or Ubani (Both Bonny and Opobo) kept their unique identity until the onslaught by the 52 brigade headed by the late Major Isaac Boro. Genocide and killings was recorded in both Bonny and Opobo and a host of other riverine communities like Kalabari, Andoni, Yeangoa etc. But the likes of Bonny and Opobo got it worst after which they were forcefully made to become Ijaws by threats. Funny enough after the changes were made, the land grabbers still failed to make the people to stop speaking their language. Despite several attempt to set up Finima-Ijaw language (which they called Ibani Egere) in schools, making it compulsory in Bonny and Opobo it still failed.

That singular incident of both Boro and the Ijo rulers of Old Rivers state kept them at daggers drawn with the Igbos and at the appropriate time, it will all be revisited. Currently, the Ijo landgrabbers who carried out that act are now in Bayelsa giving a lot of folks a breather in Rivers state.

The most funny aspect of this post is the part that said Adaka Boro forced 'Ibani and Opobo' to become Ijaw!

How do you change the ethnic identities of cities? Can you teach me this method, may be it can help to solve certain inter-communal problems. For example, can someone make Agbor to become an Urhobo city?


In my own view, what happened in Opobo and Ibani is simply cultural assimilation. The Igbo elements in these cities dissolve gradually into the larger Ijaw communities and there's nothing spectacular about this.

Similar cases in varying degrees of success abound all over the world.

Arochukwu, Aba=> Ibibio got assimilated into Igbo

Ogori/ Mangogo=> Ebira got assimilated into Yoruba

Badagry=> Yoruba got assimilated into Egun/Ogu.

Seminole Tribe of Florida, USA=> Black African slaves got assimilated into Native Americans.

Moors=> Black Africans and Arabs into Berbers

Itsekiri= Bini into Yoruba

oyatz:




You don't win war just because you have population but you win wars because you have SUPERIOR ADVANTAGES over your opponents. These superior advantages may include economic power, Superior Technology, population, Favourable geographical factors like access to the Sea and International land borders and above all, DEPENDABLE ALLIES.



If Igbo Republic tries to invade Ijaw Republic in it's attempt to gain coastal territories, think of the possible superior advantages that both sides may have.

And why should we waste our precious men to secure lands that are of no value Those Ijo with their our oyel mentality allowed their lands to be rendered desolate with oil spills, so those lands are as useless to us as it is to them.
Ojukwu failed to secure despite being a historian useful allies, even though one on one basis the Biafran soldier was much more better than the Nigerian soldier, which is quite explicable with the reverses the Nigerian army experienced in any sector that the Biafran firepower was somehow equal to that of the Nigerians, although on a general basis the Nigerians had better firepower than Biafra.
Ojukwu's failures have been analysed and would be taken care of when the next confrontation comes.
Generally, we've better advantages to any enemy, and we dont intend to incorporate any useless territories into our realm.
Regarding allies, the Israelis are there... And through them we can get through to the Americans. The Chinese are also there, and unlike the Americans there'd not be any human rights attachments. Moreover, ambazonia is there to ensure that the guns keep running

oyatz:



It will be difficult to expand or change the present boundaries without generating problems.

The only way igbos can have parts or whole of the present Rivers State is if the people of these Coastal territories on THEIR OWN clamour to join Igbos in the same country.
Anyone who is well conversant with the political History of Rivers State will know that Igbos have been laying claims to these Territories since colonial times and on several occasions, the indigenous riverine peoples have resisted these subtle attempts e.g The Igbo dominated NCNC presenting an Igboman as the major of Port-Harcourt, Igbo irredentists toying with the idea of changing the name of Port-Harcourt to Port Azikiwe in the 1950s and trying to make the igbo nickname for the city ,IgweOcha as the official name of the city.

The climax of the resistance of the riverine peoples to assimilation of their territories into Igboland was the creation of Rivers State in 1967, a master stroke which rattled Ojukwu and the Igbo intelligential causing him to declare Biafra three days later. Had Gowon created Rivers and Cross River States in December,1966, there won't be anything like Biafra or even the civil war.


The naming of the Port Harcourt Stadium as Liberation Stadium and it's recent renaming as Yakubu Gowon Stadium is a pointer to the feelings of the Rivers people towards joining 'Igbo Republic'.

The abadonned properties saga in Rivers State, the several public proclamations dissociating their communities from IPOB campaigns and the treatment of IPOB and their sympathizers by Gov Wike are also showing how these people feel towards 'Igbo Republic'

Do you have any evidence of Igbos trying to change the name of PH or is this yet another Ogogoro stories from the creeks?

A Fulani man was also presented as the Mayor of Enugu city by NCNC, where does that fit into your narrative?

Know this and know it well.
Ndiigbo will change the current boundaries whether by force or by diplomacy, the choice will be yours!
No single territory of ours will be left behind at the appropriate time.
This is why the wise ones among us are totally against multi ethnic BIAFRA with minorities, because such useless political union would ensure the consolidation of status quo, which is totally skewed against Ndiigbo.

oyatz:


You are the kid for thinking that Igbo Republic will exist but Ijaw will cease to exist if Nigeria break up.

Which ethnic group first waged war of secession in Nigeria?

Why did Ojukwu, Aguyi-Ironsi and all other Igbo intellectuals/politicians violently resisisted the secession of the mainly Ijaw Niger-Delta Republic in 1966 when the Igbos were in Power, only to follow the same path few months later when the table turned against the Igbos?

Ojukwu captured Adaka Boro, paraded him naked, sent him to Aguyi-Ironsi in Lagos who quickly sentenced him to death for treason.
Curiously, the same Aguyi-Ironsi never bother to trial Nzeogwu, Onwutega, Emmanuel Ifeajuna, Major Okafor and others who carried out the Jan-15,1966 coup which plunged the country into disaster.


You people love to think that you are smart and others are foolish.

The bolded could only come from a stream thought owned by a dumbass fool. The military chain of command does not go through the governor of a region even when the governor is a military man. Honestly, your intellectual capacity does not qualify you to partake in this banter.

Captain8:
and yet we still dont regret any of our fathers action rather we celebrated them..... example we celebrate Adaka Boro's day every may 16........ you biafra symphatisers are the ones regreting it for us....
this is what eastlink was telling you...

if you think we regret what our fathers did, then repeat what your ojukwu ironsi zik ncnc did and received from us worst Boro and Biriye from us.. idiko1 use your brain

Who gives a ratass if you regret the sell out of your forbearers? It is the duty of the onlookers to constantly remind ill-informed dimwits about the stupid blunders of committed by their fathers. I wished Adaka Boro is still alive so as to witness what Ijaw land had become as oppose to northern region of Nigeria. Do not be a fool forever.

Idiko1:



The bolded could only come from a stream thought owned by a dumbass fool. The military chain of command does not go through the governor of a region even when the governor is a military man. Honestly, your intellectual capacity does not qualify to partake in this banter.

Seems like you can feel his underlying igbophobia that he's trying to hiding with a veneer of sophistry and gentlemanly pretensions.
This is one of the reasons i like MNK's establishment of ESN, kos he had laid the basis of an army. We know all our territories jerrymandered into other regions, and when the time comes, we'd seize them all back!
As Igbos, all we've to do now is be patient... Just like the Taliban/طالبان waited patiently for 20 years to reconquer Afghanistan/افغانستان, we must also be steadfast kos soon our chance would come.

Idiko1:



The bolded could only come from a stream thought owned by a dumbass fool. The military chain of command does not go through the governor of a region even when the governor is a military man. Honestly, your intellectual capacity does not qualify to partake in this banter.

IPOBians like you think you can win an argument by introducing insults and abuses.


I don't have your time.

cheruv:

How'd Karabarị and Okirika be carved to Bayelsa when they're heavily soaked with Igboid elements
The Bayelsa state creation is one area that Zik showed his political acumen, by ensuring that the only Ijo like tribes left in Rivers State are those that are heavily impregnated with Igboid elements.
The Karabarị have been ruled themselves by the Amakịrị dynasty since the 1700s, and the dynasty itself migrated from Igboland whilst the Okirika themselves migrated from Ndọkị land(around that Afam area) and till today speak a creolized form of Ndọkị that has differentiated considerably from the mainstream.

Most people on this forum often fail to understand one very important factor; States in Nigeria are units of administration and NOT necessarily ethnic homelands.


It will be impracticable to create States for each ethnic group because in many areas, especially in the Rain Forests, ethnic groups live in close proximity to each other considerable areas of overlapp.

Idiko1:


Who gives a ratass if you regret the sell out of your forbearers? It is the duty of the onlookers to constantly remind ill-informed dimwits about the stupid blunders of committed by their fathers. I wished Adaka Boro is still alive so as to witness what Ijaw land had become as oppose to northern region of Nigeria. Do not be a fool forever.

do what your useless greedy fathers did and see us repeat Adaka Boro and Biriye unto you people again....
oya try it na...
carry your biafra flag or anything of it relate enter Ijaw land and see worst massacre of your life....
useless creatures who so obsessed with Ijaws...