Material resources they needed full Far East Russia but the Japanese don’t even know that USSR have that kind of resources

Modrov:


After 1939, the Japanese looked South for their material needs...(the US sanctions came in 1941..which cut off Japan from vital supplies in the US) and that led to them extending their war of conquest down to South east asia and the pacific .

DoggoneDogg:


Its World War Two not Japan War Two.
Thanks.

Ever since they defeated Japan, they av been dreaded by many countries if not all.

Modrov:


The partition of Germany started with the 'London Protocol' of 1944....which origianlly divided Germany between the US, UK and the USSR (MAP one and 2 below )

The formal map as we knew it was formalised by 1945..only this time, German territories east of the Oder-Niesse line were detached and handed over to Poland (see map 3). France (represented by The free french of De Gaulle) was also included in the division

Berlin, in all maps was to be divided among the powers, whoever won...or got there first.

Indeed by the end of the war, the US had gotten into some of the areas delineated as Soviet...as described per Wikipedia



In a way, Berlin was left for the Soviets to take. That was a decision of Eisenhower, the Supreme commander of Allied forces in Europe..although Montgomery was not in agreement, and may have tried to get to Berlin first...but it did not work out that way...

Either way, there were designated sectors and spheres of influences for each of the powers, and they were decided as early as 1944 (Additionally in 1945, at Yalta and Potsdam, Axis led Europe was divided into spheres of influence for both the Soviets and the US and UK...but that's another discussion).

1944 (by then Russian victory was clear). Why didn't the so-called "Allies" agree in 1941 when Soviet men were dying in their millions across Siberia?

You're further validating my point. The West were mere opportunists.

sammy329:
That's because you don't know about the Korean war and you want to be forming DON on nairaland.


The obvious one is that you spew nonsense with confidence.

The Korean War is simple boy.

US wanted to install puppet Seoul as the sole government. It failed.

The day US pulls its useless military base from South Korea, Pyongyang will absorb South Korea in less than a month.

Rubbish!!

Techguy96:

The way u people underrated US on the app ehn, one would think Nigeria can defeat US sef but no problem o.

Nigeria can defeat US without Dullhari in charge. The US are paper tigers. Their so-called Marines only joined for educational, financial and social benefits.

Shake them & they will scram.

That's why Viet Cong rice farmers bleeped them up with chopsticks & Kung fu despite their advanced tech.

DoggoneDogg:


I mean the main war (continental Europe).
US didn't come in until 1944 when they saw Russia was winning & about to conquer Europe (which will render their Pacific & North African victories useless).

Their useless cowardly congress even voted against fighting Hitler even after Hitler's U-Boats sank countless US merchant ships supplying refugee UK with food and clothes.


In summary, the US entered the war not because they were brave but because they were scared.

Actually, in fairness, the Russians wanted a second front in Europe right from the time they joined the Allies....

In November, 1943, Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt met together in Teheran, Iran, to discuss military strategy and post-war Europe. Ever since the Soviet Union had entered the war, Stalin had been demanding that the Allies open-up a second front in Europe. Churchill and Roosevelt argued that any attempt to land troops in Western Europe would result in heavy casualties. Until the Soviet's victory at Stalingrad in January, 1943, Stalin had feared that without a second front, Germany would defeat them.

Stalin, who always favoured in offensive strategy, believed that there were political, as well as military reasons for the Allies' failure to open up a second front in Europe. Stalin was still highly suspicious of Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt and was worried about them signing a peace agreement with Adolf Hitler. The foreign policies of the capitalist countries since the October Revolution had convinced Stalin that their main objective was the destruction of the communist system in the Soviet Union. Stalin was fully aware that if Britain and the USA withdrew from the war, the Red Army would have great difficulty in dealing with Germany on its own.

At Teheran, Joseph Stalin reminded Churchill and Roosevelt of a previous promise of landing troops in Western Europe in 1942. Later they postponed it to the spring of 1943. Stalin complained that it was now November and there was still no sign of an allied invasion of France. After lengthy discussions it was agreed that the Allies would mount a major offensive in the spring of 1944.

From the memoirs published by those who took part in the negotiations in Teheran, it would appear that Stalin dominated the conference. Alan Brook, chief of the British General Staff, was later to say: "I rapidly grew to appreciate the fact that he had a military brain of the very highest calibre. Never once in any of his statements did he make any strategic error, nor did he ever fail to appreciate all the implications of a situation with a quick and unerring eye. In this respect he stood out compared with Roosevelt and Churchill."

The D-Day landings in June, 1944, created a second-front and took the pressure off the Red Army and from that date they made steady progress into territory held by Germany

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Sauce: Second front

To add, the Soviet experience in the war between 1941-2 was hampered by Stalin purging many experienced generals during the wasteful late 1930's Great Purge...and the German invasion caught him somewhat unprepared.(Though he had thought he had signed a non-aggression treaty with the Nazis...should have known better than to trust those two faced jokers..) As stated in the quote...Stalingrad was the turining point.

Also, the USSR got a lot of aid...including weapons and materiel...from the USA and the UK...the former via Lend lease. (The Soviets were still building up their industry in the 1930's, after Stalin's famous 1931 speech..also somewhat prophetic... calling for massive industrialization). I have detailed Lend lease contributions upthread. Also, the USSR was able to restart a lot of its industry behind the Urals...well out of the reach of German bombers .

Then the US and UK's efforts in North Africa...)Operation Torch)..tied down a lot of Axis troops in North Africa that should have been fighting in the East. The invasion of Italy by the US and UK in 1943 tied up more Axis troops. (Infact Germany was fighting on multiple fronts by the end of 1943 to be frank). d-DAY IN 1944 was the icing on the cake.

DoggoneDogg:


Nigeria can defeat US without Dullhari in charge. The US are paper tigers. Their so-called Marines only joined for educational, financial and social benefits.

Shake them & they will scram.

That's why Viet Cong rice farmers bleeped them up with chopsticks & Kung fu despite their advanced tech.

Na so

joyandfaith:


The Allies had agreed early in 1944 that Germany was to be divided into Zones of Occupation after the war was over. Berlin was deep inside the already agreed Soviet Union Zone of Occupation - even if US (or British and Commonwealth) troops had been able to reach and capture Berlin before the Russians,they would have had to withdraw soon after,so as to let the Russians take over fully their agreed Zone of Occupation in Germany postwar. Some British and US forces were deep inside the Soviet Union Zone of Occupation when the war ended,and withdrew in July 1945.This is what would have happened to any non Soviet forces in Berlin,if they had got there. So,there was nothing to be gained for the US in capturing Berlin before the Russians in 1945,so they didn't bother trying.

The U.S. mobilized about the same number of troops as Russia but fought on more major front lines — not only in Europe but also in the Pacific and North Africa. American war production — its ability to churn out astounding numbers of bombers, tanks and warships — was possibly the key war-winning factor, say some historians, who point out American factories produced more airplanes than all of the other major war powers combined.

And without U.S. supplies, the Soviet war effort would have been massively diminished. America supplied Stalin with 400,000 trucks, 2,000 locomotives, more than 10,000 rail rolling stock and billions of dollars' worth of warplanes, tanks, food and clothing. At the same time, the U.S. also supplied nearly a quarter of Britain’s munitions.

We were lucky to have America as an ally,” Russian historian Anatoly Razumov told VOA recently. He said American technology and supplies formed the base of Russia’s war effort. “And we want to close our eyes to that. It’s shameful! Sometimes I talk to ordinary people who don’t want to understand. We were together during the war. How would it be if we hadn’t had this help? It was not a victory of just one country over Hitler. It was a victory of the whole world over him


Source: voa

Presently there are US military bases in Germany. Russia has no military base in Germany after fall of Berlin Wall. Russia has 10 bases mostly in Eastern Europe and Asia with about 50k personnel's while us has about 40 bases in all continents with about 130000 personnel's.

You must know reasons for warfare. It is not necessary about winning. Plundering, testing of new weapons, oppression etc. Napoleon, Alexander the Great, great Roman empire lost major wars. Roman empire collapse not by wars but due to overwhelming influence of Religion on the empire.

Well done. Thanks for educating that propagandist and liar. He's doing it on purpose though, they never change.

Would have explained a lot more for those who do not know, it's just a bit difficult making out time to write exhaustively .

Modrov:


Actually, in fairness, the Russians wanted a second front in Europe right from the time they joined the Allies....

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Sauce: Second front

To add, the Soviet experience in the war between 1941-2 was hampered by Stalin purging many experienced generals during the wasteful late 1930's Great Purge...and the German invasion caught him somewhat unprepared.(Though he had thought he had signed a non-aggression treaty with the Nazis...should have known better than to trust those two faced jokers..) As stated in the quote...Stalingrad was the turining point.

Also, the USSR got a lot of aid...including weapons and materiel...from the USA and the UK...the former via Lend lease. (The Soviets were still building up their industry in the 1930's, after Stalin's famous 1931 speech..also somewhat prophetic... calling for massive industrialization). I have detailed Lend lease contributions upthread. Also, the USSR was able to restart a lot of its industry behind the Urals...well out of the reach of German bombers .

Then the US and UK's efforts in North Africa...)Operation Torch)..tied down a lot of Axis troops in North Africa that should have been fighting in the East. The invasion of Italy by the US and UK in 1943 tied up more Axis troops. (Infact Germany was fighting on multiple fronts by the end of 1943 to be frank). d-DAY IN 1944 was the icing on the cake.

Your post states clearly that the second front never happened until Soviet victory at Stalingrad in 1943. Every WWII buff knows Stalingrad was the turning point for Stalin just as Midway was the turning point for the US in the Pacific Theatre.


At this point I'm at a loss at what this debate is about now

DubaiLandLord:
Mr Man, talk about what you know please.

The USA supported the Russian military with finance and military equipment. If not for the USA intervention, Germany would have conquered the USSR.

Did you even know it was the USA that kept the Japanese busy in the Pacific? Japan would have also attack Russia if not for the USA. Do you think Russia would have been able to fight this great powers at once?

i luv ur analysis. U answered some unanswered question of mine regarding WWII. If nt for American efforts Japan would have swiftly knocked down Russia. That was y Japan went to attack the bigger fish (USA).

DoggoneDogg:


1944 (by then Russian victory was clear). Why didn't the so-called "Allies" agree in 1941 when Soviet men were dying in their millions across Siberia?

You're further validating my point. The West were mere opportunists.

In 1941...

1.The US was keeping out of the war. Until Pearl Harbour, most Americans were ferociously opposed to America involvement in the European war. The US still maintained relations with Germany, and with Japan. (People like John.F.Kennedy, Geroge Bush senior, Gerald Ford were staunch isolationists then )

The events of December 7, 1941, changed all that.

(Fun trivia...a German soldier imprisoned in Canada...a UK ally then...escaped to the US and was repatriated to Germany in 1940! If he had tried that stunt two years later...).

FDR though did send some aid to the UK.

2.The UK was fighting alone, and did not have the numbers to take on the Axis in Europe at that time. (They did send aid to the USSR too via the Arctic convoys...).

3.It wasn't until 1943 that the allies had victory in sight..thus by 1944 they could discuss the future of Europe (tho, some chat had happened at the Teheran and Casablanca conferences of 1943)

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Emmerlee:


Well done. Thanks for educating that propagandist and liar. He's doing it on purpose though, they never change.

Would have explained a lot more even for those who do not know, it's just a bit difficult making out time to write.

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This hardened criminal is clutching at straws. Anything just to look relevant.

I don tell you to go Romance section go debate Bobrisky & co. Your brain is not up for this discourse.

Modrov:


In 1941...

1.The US was keeping out of the war. Until Pearl Harbour, most Americans were ferociously opposed to America involvement in the European war. The US still maintained relations with Germany, and with Japan. (People like John.F.Kennedy, Geroge Bush senior, Gerald Ford were staunch isolationists then )

The events of December 7, 1941, changed all that.

(Fun trivia...a German soldier imprisoned in Canada...a UK ally then...escaped to the US and was repatriated to Germany in 1940! If he had tried that stunt two years later...).

FDR though did send some aid to the UK.

2.The UK was fighting alone, and did not have the numbers to take on the Axis in Europe at that time. (They did send aid to the USSR too via the Arctic convoys...).

3.It wasn't until 1943 that the allies had victory in sight..thus by 1944 they could discuss the future of Europe (tho, some chat had happened at the Teheran and Casablanca conferences of 1943)

No need for long talk bro.

The summary of this epistle is that the US didn't come into continental Europe until 1944, right??

Yes or No?

seunny4lif:
Material resources they needed full Far East Russia but the Japanese don’t even know that USSR have that kind of resources

Japan needed resources then..but until 1941, they were getting enough from the US, especially in oil. it wasn't until the US cut them off by Spetember 1941...that Japan decided to invade and conquer South east Asia and the Pacific isles...to get their hands on resources...and before they could do that, they had to attack the US at Pearl Harbour (and in the Aleutian islands)to disable the US's naval capability in the region.

The rest is history

Techguy96:

Na so

DoggoneDogg:
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This hardened criminal is clutching at straws. Anything just to look relevant.

I don tell you to go Romance section go debate Bobrisky & co. Your brain is not up for this discourse.

Excuse me what business do you and I have for you to call me a hardened criminal? Is this how you go about exposing your clear lack of manners online? Have we met before? Do you have home training? Do you have parents? Are you normal? Is the hardship in the country turning you into a full blown mad man?

I purposely avoided quoting you from the beginning because I know your brain matter is done for and can not be recovered. Your type thrive on lies, propaganda, hate and compound stupidity and I can't be caught arguing with you.

Please stay away from me completely. I did not message you in the first place so please take your insanity elsewhere. I am busy, thanks.

DoggoneDogg:


No need for long talk bro.

The summary of this epistle is that the US didn't come into continental Europe until 1944, right??

Yes or No?

No, they got into continental Europe via Italy in 1943...by invading Sicilly....(some pedants may argue that the US was in Europe by 1942 when they invaded Algeria...which was considered a part of mainland France , not even a colony..long story...but that's being too pedantic)

That ended up tying down a lot of German troops in Italy...largely because the Italian army surrendered when the Allies got onto the italian mainland (after the Facist Council and the King of Italy deposed Mussolini ,who then managed to escape and form a rump government in the North that allied itself with Germany and fought on...but at very reduced strength)

1944 was when the US army got into France via D day.

(Keep in mind that US forces were tied down in Japanese territories in the Pacific as well...the UK was also fighting there too, and in SE Asia ...that's where many Nigerian troops fighting for the UK distinguished themselves.)

Logging off ...will come back later.

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ryloy:



But they won:


Independence War with Britian
American Civil war
World War 1
World War 2
Cold War
Gulf War
War in Iraq
ISIS War in Syria
Technological War


That is why they are the only Super Power...no more USSR.

American won technological warfare

American controls everyone and everything through technology. That is why FFK has to disseminates his misinformation through American Platform, using American phone and American operating system.


FFK , stop misleading your gullible followers

[/s]America won World war 1 ? and America won the cold war?

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Emmerlee:


Excuse me what business do you and I have for you to call me a hardened criminal? Is this how you go about exposing your clear lack of manners online? Have we met before? Do you have home training? Do you have parents? Are you normal? Is the hardship in the country turning you into a full blown mad man?

I purposely avoided quoting you from the beginning because I know your brain matter is done for and can not be recovered. Your type thrive on lies, propaganda, hate and compound stupidity and I can't be caught arguing with you.

Please stay away from me completely. I did not message you in the first place so please take your insanity elsewhere. I am busy, thanks.

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Unlike you & the US, I'm not a coward.
I just helped do what you didn't have the balls to do & your true thuggish nature came forth.

Touts are always busy.

Everybody just dey cancel post for this thread!!

DoggoneDogg:
US has not won any war in 100 years.

World War II was won by Russia. The US & UK coined the term "Allies" to steal their victory.

No US or UK soldier set foot in Berlin let alone access Hitler's bunker. Hitler's scarred remains are in Moscow till this day.

Till date Russia has dared the West to provide evidence that they colluded during WWII and US is yet to show any evidence.

Na only for Hollywood movies we see that they feed Russia with information to defeat Hitler. Yet the ones with the information were destroyed completely by the same Hitler. Riddle me that


US War records in 100 years
WWII - failure
Korea War - failure
Vietnam - colossal failure
Gulf War - failure
Cold War - failure
Afghan War - failure
Syria War - failure


I challenge any of you to show me video or pictorial evidence of US/UK soldiers in Berlin on May 16, 1945 because I have Russian evidence.

Ogah how far Russia economy and American Economy.. abeg go sit down , who war help, America na one country dey there? So ask your stupid ffk to chose between Russia and USA , which country he would love to visit and revisit again...Abeg make I hear word ...Nigeria wey still suffer under una hand you no talk about how dollar dey win war against our naira you dey hear dey talk shits

DoggoneDogg:


The Korean War is simple boy.

US wanted to install puppet Seoul as the sole government. It failed.

The day US pulls its useless military base from South Korea, Pyongyang will absorb South Korea in less than a month.

Rubbish!!

The Korean war was never initiated by the US, it was due to invasion of South Korea.


Go and read about the war very well
The US intervened to stop the spread of communism in the Korean peninsula.


Apart from that you are greatly underestimating South Korea military capabilities now

meccuno:
[s][/s]America won World war 1 ? and America won the cold war?

How did America lose the cold war??

Mr. Professor

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blackmaine:
Ogah how far Russia economy and American Economy.. abeg go sit down , who war help, America na one country dey there? So ask your stupid ffk to chose between Russia and USA , which country he would love to visit and revisit again...Abeg make I hear word ...Nigeria wey still suffer under una hand you no talk about how dollar dey win war against our naira you dey hear dey talk shits

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French economy was stronger than Germany's when Hitler destroyed them in 2 weeks.

Inflation no dey fight war bro. I go take over, use your resources take bankroll my war.

Naso war be. Learn.

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sammy329:
The Korean war was never initiated by the US, it was due to invasion of South Korea.


Go and read about the war very well
The US intervened to stop the spread of communism in the Korean peninsula.


Apart from that you are greatly underestimating South Korea military capabilities now

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South Korea is shit
The US military base there is their last hope.

Remove it and NK will take them within a month.
I hate repeating myself

If not bcoz usa drop 2 bomb 4 japan to chop, all countries in d world would av been speaking japanese and german including u. The main reason usa was in afghanistan is to kill or aprehend osama bin laden which has happen 2011, there over stay till 2022 na side mission. Also to korea war, usa might not won but they gave us south korea, which one of u wan go north korea "none"

Some people here sef ehn....
You guys don't know how bloody the pacific war was. America was busy fighting Japan all over the pacific. From Indonesia to the Philippines even in smaller islands around Japan. Somebody here said Japan has never defeated Russia. Japan beat the hell out of Russia before world war ll.

The US was fighting on two fronts in WWII. The only luck the world has is that, the US is not a dictatorship like Russia or China or Nazi Germany.

By now you guys won't be saying this rubbish

b3llo:
i luv ur analysis. U answered some unanswered question of mine regarding WWII. If nt for American efforts Japan would have swiftly knocked down Russia. That was y Japan went to attack the bigger fish (USA).

Yes na
The Japs had tested the Russians before and seen that they would not make it across Siberia to fight a long campaign. The japs had bead them before. So it was only the US that was their obstacles in Asia

DoggoneDogg:


The Korean War is simple boy.

US wanted to install puppet Seoul as the sole government. It failed.

The day US pulls its useless military base from South Korea, Pyongyang will absorb South Korea in less than a month.

Rubbish!!

The US intervened in korea war to stop communism. Stop saying what you don't know.

DoggoneDogg:
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South Korea is shit
The US military base there is their last hope.

Remove it and NK will take them within a month.
I hate repeating myself

Really?? South Korea is shit, so says an Internet Warrior.

South Korea of 1952 is different from the one of 2021 ooo.

South Korea is the 7th highest in military ranking and they also have powerful allies.

DoggoneDogg:
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French economy was stronger than Germany's when Hitler destroyed them in 2 weeks.

Inflation no dey fight war bro. I go take over, use your resources take bankroll my war.

Naso war be. Learn.

That's big lie, Nazi Germany had a better economy

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu › ...PDF
The economics of World War II: an overview* - CiteSeerX

I can give you more sources sef