sammy329:
Most of the Russian nukes are from the Soviets era and have lesser destructive capacity than the US one

Guy what are you talking sef?
See let me educate you in a civilized way.
You may be right about the Russian nuked being as old as to the soviet Era, BUT, so are the ones USA got in their arsenal.
The USA and Russia are no longer creating nuclear warheads, and definitely aren't modifying them. In fact sef they're even reducing them. Russia formally had 40k nuclear warheads but reduced them to 7k approximately. The USA are currently doing the same. So at the end of the day both got old nuclear weapons....

Also BTW, let me tell you. The soviets were the ones who created the biggest nuclear warhead till date. So I wouldn't underestimate the capabilities of the ones remaining in the Russian arsenal

Mangekyo:


The Germans were defeated right?
Were they defeated by the US?
And also, why didn't the US just use the nukes on the Germans at the start of the battle and have the easy victory instead sending men and allies to die since you believe that wouldve ended the war

Tdotbluejays:

There was no need. Germany surrendered.

In addition, There where were no B-29 planes in Europe which made the logistics of bombing Germany impossible.

In addition, Germany had also surrended before the development of the atomic bomb was complete.

aluyapreston:


WW2 could have been ended by just a button if the US wanted. LOL they were the only that had Nuke at the time.You people underestimate the effect of the Nuke and what it meant for the enemies. trust me America still has another modern-day secret devastating weapon and Russians will not cross their borders before they get wiped out. Do you know how many times the CIA have been busted about creating human weapons by test running babies. no joke. Americans are heartless and when they start you will be shocked. for Now Russia and China can keep showcasing their military achievements that the U.S achieved over 6 decades ago. Fear Quiet people( fear quiet Country)

The US did not have a working hydrogen bomb until early 1945, by which time the war with Germany was almost over.( the first working test was in April 1945, Germany surrendered by May 2nd. And by April Germany was defacto occupied by the allies anyway)

However the Pacific war or the war with Japan continued until it was ended by the US dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki later that year.

I should point out that the Germans had a nuclear bomb programme which was unsuccessful for a variety of reasons .( bad science , divided programmes ,plus the British bombing the only heavy water plant in axis territory)

Modrov:



The US did not have a working hydrogen bomb until early 1945, by which time the war with Germany was almost over.( the first working test was in April 1945, Germany surrendered by May 2nd. And by April Germany was defacto occupied by the allies anyway)

However the Pacific war or the war with Japan continued until it was ended by the US dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki later that year.

I should point out that the Germans had a nuclear bomb programme which was unsuccessful for a variety of reasons .( bad science , divided programmes ,plus the British bombing the only heavy water plant in axis territory)

100 percent.

Mangekyo:


Guy what are you talking sef?
See let me educate you in a civilized way.
You may be right about the Russian nuked being as old as to the soviet Era, BUT, so are the ones USA got in their arsenal.
The USA and Russia are no longer creating nuclear warheads, and definitely aren't modifying them. In fact sef they're even reducing them. Russia formally had 40k nuclear warheads but reduced them to 7k approximately. The USA are currently doing the same. So at the end of the day both got old nuclear weapons....

Also BTW, let me tell you. The soviets were the ones who created the biggest nuclear warhead till date. So I wouldn't underestimate the capabilities of the ones remaining in the Russian arsenal

You are wrong, the Russian don't have up to 40k nuclear weapons, even during Soviets era where there was the MAD (mutual assured destruction) doctrine, the nuclear capacity the US and USSR were closed to each, not this gaps that you are mentioning

Techguy96:

It's easy, US already knew the implications of using nuke even b4 world war 2, there were aware if its radioactive effect n how terrible it is generally. US had no plan on using the bomb in either Germany of Japan.
The war had gone on for 4 yrs with millions of life lost, Germany finally gave up but Japan still went on fighting the Japans didn't look like they were going go give up anytime soon, they japanese fought with their life, they would rather died than give up at that point, US wanted to break their will to fight and the only way to do so was the nuke.

US actually lost more men to Japan than even Germany, u have to watch documentaries bon this war to see how ruthless the japanese was, japanese would sacrifice their life by crashing their plane on US ship (the chamacazee).

I still believe they shouldve used it and damn the implications since it would minimize the number of women who were gonna become widows. At the end of the day, us still ended up using it on Japan so it would've been better if they used it at the start.

Anyway, this is a sensible reply from you.
I'll try to make more research for myself

sammy329:
You are wrong, the Russian don't have up to 40k nuclear weapons, even during Soviets era where there was the MAD (mutual assured destruction) doctrine, the nuclear capacity the US and USSR were closed to each, not this gaps that you are mentioning

They had bro....
Lemme bring some scans Sha if you don't believe me

Modrov:



The US did not have a working hydrogen bomb until early 1945, by which time the war with Germany was almost over.( the first working test was in April 1945, Germany surrendered by May 2nd. And by April Germany was defacto occupied by the allies anyway)

However the Pacific war or the war with Japan continued until it was ended by the US dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki later that year.

I should point out that the Germans had a nuclear bomb programme which was unsuccessful for a variety of reasons .( bad science , divided programmes ,plus the British bombing the only heavy water plant in axis territory)

In addition, the brains behind the bomb were also German Jewish physicists that fled Germany to the USA when the Nazi began persecuting the Jews from the 1930s when they came into power.

sammy329:
You are wrong, the Russian don't have up to 40k nuclear weapons, even during Soviets era where there was the MAD (mutual assured destruction) doctrine, the nuclear capacity the US and USSR were closed to each, not this gaps that you are mentioning

Here you go

Gbajure:


It is the other way round dude. Most of Eastern Europe have been liberated by the Red Army alone. Read about the St Petersburg war

The US supplied the Russians with stock of ammunition and steel for railways and also materials to restart Russian machinery for armament supply

Jerryherd:
If you think Americans go to war to win then you are joking.... They only go to war to loot and plunder resources

I wonder why you guys so much hate America, and yet you rely on them 100 percent. All the vaccines that had saved you have since your birth to now even Covid are from this same America. Mosquito nets, too, and your govt depends on them 100 percent.

Nobody is perfect but then...

Can you guys for once accept that America has done more good than harm to you, your family, your country and the entire world.

They always come to the rescue of the entire world when the chips are down and the world is on the verge of collapse. Always they had been the savior

AbdulHakeem44:


I still don't understand till date why Ghadafi was killed. Ever since then Libya is a hotbed for Isis and terrorist propagation. The worst of it all, USA declared Libya a failed state. No weapon of mass destruction was found in Iraq and Saddam Hussein was killed. The earlier you open your eyes the better. America can own weapons but do not want others to own them.

Ghadafi was actually a very bad mistake by Obama, which he kinda admitted to.

Ghadafi was portray to the world as a dictator which he kinda was but he was actually a dictator for a good reason and he had good plans for his country and African as well.

But while America may not be good, I will prefer them as world power to china or Russia.

sammy329:
You are wrong, the Russian don't have up to 40k nuclear weapons, even during Soviets era where there was the MAD (mutual assured destruction) doctrine, the nuclear capacity the US and USSR were closed to each, not this gaps that you are mentioning

Meanwhile, while these countries are reducing their nuclear arsenal, some are still amassing.

Tdotbluejays:


In addition, the brains behind the bomb were also German Jewish physicists that fled Germany to the USA when the Nazi began persecuting the Jews from the 1930s when they came into power.

Yeah...that's one of the times when you know karma works.

Seriously, if Adolf hadn't been so racist, by now Germany would have been a global superpower. Not that the USA of those days wasn't racist , even towards Jews....but the thing about the US...if you are good at something, they will hire you, even if you come from a 'lesser' race.

DoggoneDogg:
US has not won any war in 100 years.

World War II was won by Russia. The US & UK coined the term "Allies" to steal their victory.

No US or UK soldier set foot in Berlin let alone access Hitler's bunker. Hitler's scarred remains are in Moscow till this day.

Till date Russia has dared the West to provide evidence that they colluded during WWII and US is yet to show any evidence.

Na only for Hollywood movies we see that they feed Russia with information to defeat Hitler. Yet the ones with the information were destroyed completely by the same Hitler. Riddle me that


US War records in 100 years
WWII - failure
Korea War - failure
Vietnam - colossal failure
Gulf War - failure
Cold War - failure
Afghan War - failure
Syria War - failure


I challenge any of you to show me video or pictorial evidence of US/UK soldiers in Berlin on May 16, 1945 because I have Russian evidence.

Lol na to shout they know

Mugu Post Update

On this thread, there has been an argument over whether Russia won WW2 vs Russia won WW2 with the US and UK (AND some other nations).

I would like to start this argument by pointing out that WW2 , like WW1 was fought over multiple continents....so I'll have to go with...The allies beat the Germans.

I should also point out that the Germans too HAD allies...Italy, Japan were the main allies, then there was Hungary, Finland (till 1944), Vichy France (till 1942, when the Germans ended the charade), and they also had a non-aggression treaty with the Soviets till 1941. They also had allies like Slovakia, Croatia, etc. On the Allied side...there was the UK, US, France (till 1940, took up the mantle via the Free French in 1940 again vs Vichy), USSR (from 1941) and Commonwealth dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa).

But to answer the quesiton

1.Russia got a lot of material help from the US and UK...especially the US via Lend Lease. Without that help, they most certainly would have lost the war, or it would have lasted longer. The US was in a position to proivde that help because even as far back as the 1920's the US was the world leader in industrial growth.

Remember that the Soviet lost a lot of industry and war materiel and weapons to the Axis blitzkrieg in 1941...and were left at a loss.

Also, Adolf could not bomb the US , UNLIKE the UK. (No long range bombers of the kind the Soviets and the US were to heft some 3 decades later).

2.Crucial to winning the war was Stalin's concept of a 'Second front' in Europe. The other allies promised him one by 1943...but sadly that did not happen, meaning the USSR did a lot of the heavy lifting in the East till June 1994.

However....the US and UK and other allied troops did land in North Africa in 1942, and in Italy in 1943, opening up fronts in both sides...which tied up troops that could have been used in the East by Adolf vs the USSR. There was also the Ethiopian war in 1941...which tied up Italian troops..and led to losses there. Then came June 6 1944, and D day...and the promised front in Europe.

While the USSR lost the largest number of men at the front...the US and UK and other allied troops lost a lot of men in North Africa, Italy, and even France, the Low countries and Germany (The Battle of the Bulge was the most brutal of that war).

Eventually the combined efforts of several nations (the Allies, or the United Nations, as they were calling themselves by 1945)...led to the defeat of the Axis by 1945.

A better description of the war can be found in any decent book or website about WW2. (Wikipedia is a good place to kick off)

DoggoneDogg:
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More Hollywood drivel.

If this is the case, why did US forces remain in Berlin for 46 years until 1991?

You said they were gonna hand over Berlin even if they reached first, right.

So why did they face their tanks against Russian tanks for 46 good years, especially since Russia got there first??
Answer this critical question without shifting goalpost please. Thanks.

The partition of Germany started with the 'London Protocol' of 1944....which origianlly divided Germany between the US, UK and the USSR (MAP one and 2 below )

The formal map as we knew it was formalised by 1945..only this time, German territories east of the Oder-Niesse line were detached and handed over to Poland (see map 3). France (represented by The free french of De Gaulle) was also included in the division

Berlin, in all maps was to be divided among the powers, whoever won...or got there first.

Indeed by the end of the war, the US had gotten into some of the areas delineated as Soviet...as described per Wikipedia

In the closing weeks of fighting in Europe, United States forces had pushed beyond the agreed boundaries for the future zones of occupation, in some places by as much as 320 km (200 miles). The so-called line of contact between Soviet and U.S. forces at the end of hostilities, mostly lying eastward of the July 1945-established inner German border, was temporary. After two months in which they had held areas that had been assigned to the Soviet zone, U.S. forces withdrew in the first days of July 1945. Some have concluded that this was a crucial move that persuaded the Soviet Union to allow American, British and French forces into their designated sectors in Berlin, which occurred at roughly the same time, although the need for intelligence gathering (Operation Paperclip) may also have been a factor

In a way, Berlin was left for the Soviets to take. That was a decision of Eisenhower, the Supreme commander of Allied forces in Europe..although Montgomery was not in agreement, and may have tried to get to Berlin first...but it did not work out that way...

Either way, there were designated sectors and spheres of influences for each of the powers, and they were decided as early as 1944 (Additionally in 1945, at Yalta and Potsdam, Axis led Europe was divided into spheres of influence for both the Soviets and the US and UK...but that's another discussion).

ryloy:



But they won:


Independence War with Britian
American Civil war
World War 1
World War 2
Cold War
Gulf War
War in Iraq
ISIS War in Syria
Technological War


That is why they are the only Super Power...no more USSR.

American won technological warfare

American controls everyone and everything through technology. That is why FFK has to disseminates his misinformation through American Platform, using American phone and American operating system.


FFK , stop misleading your gullible followers

That's right.

DoggoneDogg:


USA even entered the war in 1944 when they saw that Russia was about to become a world power. They tried (and failed) to steal Russian victory.

Na the painment make dem remain in Berlin till 1991

Slight correction

1.The US entered the war in 1941 after the attack on pearl harbour.

2.By 1942, US, UK and other allied troops were in North Africa fighting the Axis there. Also, by 1942, the US was at war with the Japanese , alongside the UK, and others. (did not go well then).

3.By 1943...the US and UK had finished off the Axis in North Africa, had entered Italy, and also were fighting the Japanese in Asia and the Pcacific.

4.1944 was where the second front opened up in Europe(apart from Italy)...and D day began.

5.This does not by any means undermine Soviet contributions which were significant.but in many ways, Allied forces in North Africa, and elsewhere tied down Axis troops that could have been used against the USSR in significant numbers.

6.Also, the USSR got a lot of equipment and armaments, and ships and vehicles and tanks from the US via lend lease, as well as a host of intelligence via the UK's signals intelligence.

7.UK work from 1941 via SOE helped reisstance movements cause problems for the Axis.

joyandfaith:
One fool said US entered ww2 in 1944 when in reality US entered the war in 1941 to engage Japan who was a major axis power.
Russians were grateful for US role in the war. Both Germans and Japan could have overwhelmed Russia.

The USSR signing a non agression treaty with Japan in 1939 helped a lot.

Both naitons stayed in their lane till 1945...when the Soviets attacked Japan...helping their US allies.

The problem here is confusing and classifying what happened in Afghanistan as a war. No! This is not a war. A war is the type you read about in the old testament - a Babylon vs Israel kind of war where nobody is considered innocent but victims and spoils of war. A war is the type been carried out by fulani herdsmen when villagers are been killed and villages pillaged without leaving anyone alive.

No country can defeat another country on their land where rules of engagement need to be adhered to unless the population of that country is manageable. Even Russia tried it with Afghanistan and they failed.

In an all out war between the Taliban and the United states, the Taliban won't last a day as all America need to do is drop series of 20 nuclear bombs to wipe out the whole country, but doing that will be seen as war crime. I laughed when someone stated here that even with the mother of all bomb being dropped by the Americans for 20 years, the Talibans still won. I wonder when did America drop a nuclear bomb. I bet even Nigeria will defeat America in a kind of war where it (America) has to avoid carrying out a massacre.


You cannot infiltrate a country, plan to avoid killing the so-called innocents and expect to win a war. The oppenents been citizens of that country will simply hide among their countrymen. If you try conducting house-to-house search, is it with 20,000 troop you will search a country like Nigeria with over 200 million population? Even when you have the capacity, invading peoples' home will create tension and make everyone have sympathy for the opponent, see you as the enemy and want you out of their country just as seen in Afghanistan... They will hide the opponents while the opponents attack when it is feasible and gain ground over a period of time. This is what is called guerilla war.

Jerryherd:
If you think Americans go to war to win then you are joking.... They only go to war to loot and plunder resources

thebosstrevor1:


This is not true. The Americans never funded Russia and it would have been an embarrassment if they did, it never happened, these guys were strong with the best military technology.

The Russian army single handedly drove the Germans from Moscow to berlin and placed their flags on the Berlin parliament. The Russians were the ones who Captured berlin. the German enjoyed overwhelming success for the first five months at the eastern front of the war, before weather and stiffening Red Army resistance led to a Soviet victory in the Battle of Moscow.

About 10 million Russian men died for the cause.

In Europe today, their are 2 version of victory day against the Germans, the allied one and the Russian one and both are celebrated.

Actually, the Russians recieved a lot of equipment from the US and the UK VIAsomething called Lend lease.

Even their leaders acknowledged it

Such assessments, however, are contradicted by the opinions of Soviet war participants. Most famously, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.

SAUCE

Below is a map showing US aid to the USSR BETWEEN 1941-45

seunny4lif:

Siberia oil is all Japan needed after USA sanction Japan but then Japan never knew oil dey Siberia
China saw what happened to Japan before and that the reason she and RU lay the pipelines from RU to China in case of war

After 1939, the Japanese looked South for their material needs...(the US sanctions came in 1941..which cut off Japan from vital supplies in the US) and that led to them extending their war of conquest down to South east asia and the pacific .

Walkee:
I watched an interview of one of German pilot, this guy said the attack on London wasn't a serious one, Hitler just sent a few planes to drop small bombs on UK without naval support or any ground assault. The guy almost cried sef when he said Hitler later told them it was just a distraction for operation barbarossa

Probably

But the cold reality was that the Germans did bomb London very very seriously, as well as many parts of the UK...espeiclaly in 1940-1 and again in 1944-5 (using the first ever ICBM's made for war use..the V1 and V2 rockets).

The reason why the Germans never conquered the UK was

1.The German navy was not strong enough

2.They lost the air war to the UK.

Mangekyo:


You're talking trash like a normal US obsessed, CNN brainwashed dick rider would.
USA had nukes and didn't use it against Hitler that was threatening the whole world, but then used a nuke against Hiroshima and Nagasaki abi? You're obviously a brainwashed lad.

Russia currently have more nukes than USA and the entire nato forces combined.
Ogbeni cut the trash about USA having secret weapons. This is the 21st century and you're still living in delusion, I suggest you wake up to reality. Whoever is feeding this fake news obviously doesn't want the best for yiu.
You live in a mud house in some bush in your village. You've never stepped your foot into a city before and somehow you know about all the things happening on the US and how they got secret weapons.
CNN definitely have taught you vulnerable blacks how to day dream and suck their cocks.

Like I said before, RUSSIA WOULD TERMINATE USA ANYTIME ANYDAY.

Well, the first successful nuclear bomb explosion happened in July 16 1945, by which time the war was over in Europe and had been for 2 months. Japan was still fighting at that time. Russia did not get its first nuke till 1949.

As for why the US used the bomb against the Japanese...their analysts were prediciting that a war on the Japanese mainland would cost the US 400000-500000 deaths, and Japan some 5 million deaths, millitary and civillian (Independent analysts including one American journalist who had been based in Japan in the 1930's came to the same conclusion). Thus the decision was made to drop the bomb....which killed some 200000 Japanese lives, but ended the war sooner.

And even AFTER both bombs had been dropped, a section of the Japanese army attempted a coup to stop the government from surrendering to the Americans (coup failed).

Google 'operation downfall' for more info.

As for who has the better nuke capability..see here

How

Modrov:


The USSR signing a non agression treaty with Japan in 1939 helped a lot.

Both naitons stayed in their lane till 1945...when the Soviets attacked Japan...helping their US allies.

Yes

Modrov:


Well, the first successful nuclear bomb explosion happened in July 16 1945, by which time the war was over in Europe and had been for 2 months. Japan was still fighting at that time. Russia did not get its first nuke till 1949.

As for why the US used the bomb against the Japanese...their analysts were prediciting that a war on the Japanese mainland would cost the US 400000-500000 deaths, and Japan some 5 million deaths, millitary and civillian (Independent analysts including one American journalist who had been based in Japan in the 1930's came to the same conclusion). Thus the decision was made to drop the bomb....which killed some 200000 Japanese lives, but ended the war sooner.

And even AFTER both bombs had been dropped, a section of the Japanese army attempted a coup to stop the government from surrendering to the Americans (coup failed).

Google 'operation downfall' for more info.

As for who has the better nuke capability..see here

Very correct

How many have they lost


Their dollars is world, the world don't use currency of losers

Modrov:


Well, the first successful nuclear bomb explosion happened in July 16 1945, by which time the war was over in Europe and had been for 2 months. Japan was still fighting at that time. Russia did not get its first nuke till 1949.

As for why the US used the bomb against the Japanese...their analysts were prediciting that a war on the Japanese mainland would cost the US 400000-500000 deaths, and Japan some 5 million deaths, millitary and civillian (Independent analysts including one American journalist who had been based in Japan in the 1930's came to the same conclusion). Thus the decision was made to drop the bomb....which killed some 200000 Japanese lives, but ended the war sooner.

And even AFTER both bombs had been dropped, a section of the Japanese army attempted a coup to stop the government from surrendering to the Americans (coup failed).

Google 'operation downfall' for more info.

As for who has the better nuke capability..see here

I just hurriedly read through that site you dropped. Based on what I read, the Russians are definitely ahead in terms of nuclear capabilities.

Meanwhile, thanks for the insight. Although sometimes I don't believe what these historians ditch out as some can be very biased.

Modrov:


Slight correction

1.The US entered the war in 1941 after the attack on pearl harbour.

2.By 1942, US, UK and other allied troops were in North Africa fighting the Axis there. Also, by 1942, the US was at war with the Japanese , alongside the UK, and others. (did not go well then).

3.By 1943...the US and UK had finished off the Axis in North Africa, had entered Italy, and also were fighting the Japanese in Asia and the Pcacific.

4.1944 was where the second front opened up in Europe(apart from Italy)...and D day began.

5.This does not by any means undermine Soviet contributions which were significant.but in many ways, Allied forces in North Africa, and elsewhere tied down Axis troops that could have been used against the USSR in significant numbers.

6.Also, the USSR got a lot of equipment and armaments, and ships and vehicles and tanks from the US via lend lease, as well as a host of intelligence via the UK's signals intelligence.

7.UK work from 1941 via SOE helped reisstance movements cause problems for the Axis.

I mean the main war (continental Europe).
US didn't come in until 1944 when they saw Russia was winning & about to conquer Europe (which will render their Pacific & North African victories useless).

Their useless cowardly congress even voted against fighting Hitler even after Hitler's U-Boats sank countless US merchant ships supplying refugee UK with food and clothes.


In summary, the US entered the war not because they were brave but because they were scared.