FreedomfromtheT:
How do you know that the limousine was rented? Any of his members could have brought his personal limousine to fetch him from the airport. Don't you think so?

MaxInDHouse:

I'm not supporting the religious title chief but in some cases most of this material things do come as gifts from their admirers who believe they're seeking God's favor, blessings or forgiveness by dashing God's servants part of the things they stole from the masses!

Workch:
Little wonder the Job so lucrative for charlatans. When you collect gifts in the name of a nonexistent entity.
No one can verify whether you are right or wrong

FreedomfromtheT:
You made a little point. Where you got it wrong is your wrong assumption that rich Christians stole from the masses to be rich. Who did Abraham steal from? Who did Isaac steal from? Who did Job steal from? Who did Joseph of Arimathea steal from? Point of correction: Pastor William Kumuyi is not a religious title chief. He is the founder and General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry known for preaching and teaching genuine repentance and faith in Christ for salvation from sin, restitution, scriptural lifestyle, holiness of life and character and preparing hundreds of millions if not billions for eternal life in heaven. Thanks.

CrazyMan:

Deeper life members are a perfect example of what I call christians in bondage.

Those people need help, serious help.

They're so archaic, religious, annoying...etc.

If I narrate my experience with them, this thread wouldn't be enough.

What they need is to open their mind to civilization, then accept Jesus.

FreedomfromtheT:
God knows who is actually in bondage to sin, bitterness, hatred and false generalizations. Hellfire is real. Hatred is also a big load to carry here on earth. You should please ask for help. The Lord is merciful. He will forgive and deliver you. He will answer your prayers. God bless you.

Kobojunkie:
Those in bold definitely did not fleece God's sheep on order to obtain their riches. They were business men with legitimate business that were not operated in the name of God - that is what we read of them. Indeed, God against all those who fleece His sheep in His name

Kumuyi's business is set up in the name of God. I am not aware of him running any companies or side businesses that do not pretend to be in the name of God. And God never asked anyone to make money off of His sheep and in His name either.

FreedomfromtheT:
You can continue with your assumptions and false accusations. Pastor Kumuyi left his profession as a lecturer in the University of Lagos in in the seventies to take care of the growing congregation which he started with 15 members. As part of their worship, the members give their tithes and offerings willingly for the work of God. The church is an organization and no organization can be run effectively without funds and it is the members that contribute the funds. Pastor Kumuyi himself, I was told, sold his property to fund the church at inception. As the church grows, the funding expands and so does the responsibilities of fulfilling Christ's mandate of world evangelization and helping the needy members. It is on record that pastor Kumuyi does not have any private jets despite his huge membership. He doesn't have a house of his own. Where he lives belongs to the church and his children are not board of trustees members meaning that it is not family business. He lives a simple life. That does not mean the members cannot choose to make him happy sometimes. If you begrudge him that, that is your own cup of tea. You are free to continue your hate-mongering and character assassination. It doesn't change anything. God bless you sir.

Kobojunkie:
Actually, those who adhere to the doctrines and traditions of men instead of living in submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, are described by Jesus Christ as living in bondage to sin - John 8 vs 31 -44 - so God taught us also to know these things.

As Jesus Christ made It clear anyone who belongs to Him cannot serve two masters in His Kingdom.... meaning those who do - those who serve men and their lied- cannot also serve Jesus Christ.

iamyemiakins:
End of discussion!

judedwriter:
The deeper life I knew of those days would frown seriously if their pastor rode one of these 'worldly' cars.

Even watching television then was an offense... they were so heavenly minded.

Things have really changed.

FreedomfromtheT:
You are definitely referring to other people not Deeper Life members. We (except a few) follow and live by the teachings of Christ Jesus and His apostles as contained in the Scriptures if truth which are dished out to us repeatedly without any imbelishments. Virtually everyone knows this except the self-deluded. The only thing people say is that Deeper Lifers are 'too holy holy'. They 'discriminate'. "They believe they are the only ones on the way to heaven", bla, bla, bla. God bless you.

FreedomfromtheT:
(1) Sir, there is a big difference between owning an exotic car and being given a ride from it by a member to a crusade. (2) No sir. Watching pornography and corrupting things is an offence not watching the message of salvation, healing and deliverance on TV. So the preaching against sin, corrupting influences and evil by Deeper Life Bible Church and other God called churches has not changed. Thanks.

Kobojunkie:
This doesn't compute at all!

Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16, God declares himself against all those who will install themselves as shepherds over His flock, fleecing them, killing and destroying in His name.
In John 10 vs 1 - 16, Jesus Christ restated that He is against those who will come to steal, kill , and destroy His flock in His name. God is against anyone who fleeces His sheep in His name.

If you think God’s Word is hate-mongering, that is all on you and you alone. I will never bend God’s word in order to glorify any man.

So long as Kumuyi's wealth is tied to God's sheep, he is one of those who God speaks against. This list includes all those who claim to run so-called Christian businesses - as if God told anyone to use His name for such things.

Kobojunkie:
1. There is a difference between owning what you denounce as worldly and accepting a ride in that which you denounce as being worldly?

2. What the heck? So you are trying to rewrite history by claiming that Kumuyi's ban on TV back in the 80s had to do with pornography?

FreedomfromtheT:
You can continue your argument. My point is made. It is your likes that buy your cheap blackmail. Pastor Kumuyi and Deeper Life are consistent with their teachings and stand over the decades. Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
So pastor Kumuyi that is spending and being spent so much at his age should not eat good food, wear good clothes, live in a decent house and be driven in good cars so as to please the haters. If he is looking hagard and unkempt and riding on old cars, it is still the haters that will call pastors and their members poor, wretched people. Have you never read that "thou shall not muzzle the mouth of the ox that threads out the corn?" "The liberal soul shall be made fat and he that waters shall himself be watered". "The husbandman that labours will be the first partaker of his fruits". Pastor Kumuyi is a simple man that doesn't delight and relish in worldly things. You can't take that away from him. If he wanted to own a private jet like others and have his own big private mansion, his church can afford it. Thanks.

The word of the Lord came to me. He said,
2 “Son of man,[a] speak against the shepherds of Israel for me. Speak to them for me. Tell them that this is what the Lord God says: ‘You shepherds of Israel have only been feeding yourselves. It will be very bad for you! Why don’t you shepherds feed the flock?
3 You eat the fat sheep and use their wool to make clothes for yourselves. You kill the fat sheep, but you don’t feed the flock.
4 You have not made the weak strong. You have not cared for the sick sheep. You have not put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. Some of the sheep wandered away, and you did not go get them and bring them back. You did not go to look for the lost sheep. No, you were cruel and severe—that’s the way you tried to lead the sheep! - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 4

9 So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10 The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.” - Ezekiel 34 vs 9 - 10

FreedomfromtheT:
If you think God doesn't exist, that is your own cup of tea. God who changed my life from a sinner to a saint of God exists. The God for who Pastor William Kumuyi a first class Mathematics graduate has left the world to suffer and labour in His vineyard for more than 50 years exists. The God that made a broken finger to grow back in Zambia on the prayers of pastor Kumuyi exists. The God that made a short leg to grow to match the other at Lagos State University at the prayers of His servant surely exists . The God that healed an entire family of 6 of COVID-19 in the United States after the prayers of pastor Kumuyi exists. The God that raised a dead man back to life at Abakiliki, Ebonyi State as pastor Kumuyi prayed exists. It is not about pastor Kumuyi. It is about God Who has been using him these decades. You are free not to believe. You are also free to believe, repent and make Jesus Christ your Lord and personal Saviour for your own eternal wellbeing today. Thanks.

Kobojunkie:
That is a lie!

Kumuyi's doctrines and traditions are of men and not of God. The man has changed his mind on church traditions several times over the last 40 years that only those who chose denial as a permanent state of existence would not notice that - God does not change His mind, neither does His Law change.

Workch:
Rubbish. Unfunctioning brain

Kobojunkie:
That is a lie!

Kumuyi's doctrines and traditions are of men and not of God. The man has changed his mind on church traditions several times over the last 40 years that only those who chose denial as a permanent state of existence would not notice that - God does not change His mind, neither does His Law change.

AJSfan:

There are doctrines, there are traditions. Yes, some traditions have changed but no deeperlife doctrine has ever changed. There are 22 doctrines from scriptures deeperlife believes in and non has ever been altered. Human traditions will continue to change but God's word remain the same.

FreedomfromtheT:
Can you sir please mention one or two of such 'Kumuyi's doctrines' that are at variance with the scriptures and that he has changed? I am waiting.

Workch:
Rubbish. Unfunctioning brain

AJSfan:


There are doctrines, there are traditions. Yes, some traditions have changed but no deeperlife doctrine has ever changed. There are 22 doctrines from scriptures deeperlife believes in and non has ever been altered. Human traditions will continue to change but God's word remain the same.

FreedomfromtheT:
Thank you very much. In the face of glaring evidence of the manifestations of God's existence, some are still blindfolded by Satan and choose damnation instead. You simply harm yourself, not God or believers. Thanks.

obixcel:
Lol, You can't handle the truth, can you?

obixcel:
I think you have summarized everything in one piece. The problem is, people like kobo and other Kumuyi critics so many times mistaken tradition for doctrine. They don't know how and when to separate both. They jam them together. They see certain traditions deeper life practices and they become infuriated because it doesn't make sense to them or it doesn't appeal to their lifestyle. They then say, ''oh dis deeper life doctrine bla bla bla''

Kobojunkie:
Deeper life doctrines have always been of the doctrines of men, lies compared to the Truth as set by Jesus Christ. All the doctrines your church subscribes to are based on arguments made by men and not on laws laid down by Jesus Christ Himself. You only need to do a quick Google search to find the documents on the same doctrines for yourself. Total depravity, Trinity, etc. They are all of them doctrines based on arguments of men and not the law as set by Jesus Christ. That scriptural verses are used in the arguing of those doctrines by the men who conjured them up does not mean their doctrines hence conform with the teachings of Jesus Christ. You can argue for just about any idea out there and even find scriptural verses from random books to back them up, even though that teaching isn't of God, and your pastors pastors PHDs in that magic - just like the Pharisees before them.

Jesus Christ also made it clear that those who submit to human traditions such as the washing of hands - the Pharisees taught such things- , in the name of God, do so against God.- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 23

We are called as followers of Jesus Christ, not followers of men. And we are are to teach the Gospel, which is God’s New Covenant Law, exactly as Jesus Christ taught it to us.

Workch:
What truth? Lol

Deludisonal people.
God doesn't exist

obixcel:
Total Depravity, Trinity etc Most Churches preach this, not just Deeper life. The Trinity is a basic teaching in Christianity. Read 1 Timothy 3:16; It starts by saying ''And without Controversy.....'' Meaning this is not even debatable or borne out of human opinion. This is Biblical fact that (1) God (Elohim) was manifest in the flesh QUESTION: Who was made manifest in the flesh? It was Jesus Christ who came thru the Virgin birth. (2) Justified in the Spirit - This was talking about the Resurrection of Christ himself. He fulfilled that. (3) Seen of Angels; (a) When Jesus was born Angels praised and glorified God as they made the Announcement (Luke 2:13) (b) When Jesus' resurrection, Angels confirmed what happened and even rolled away the stone (Luke 24:4; Matthew 28:1-7 (c) At Christ ascension to Heaven Angels saw and witnessed everything (Acts 1:9-11)
(3) Preached Unto the Gentiles QUESTION: Who occupies the central focus whenever the Gospel is preached? Is it not Christ? (Acts 5:42)
(4) Believed on in the World - Millions have believed on Jesus and still do till this day
(5) Received into Glory - Still talking about Christ Ascension to Heaven.

This is the mystery of Godliness that Paul revealed to Timothy in his writing, AND they've all been fulfilled by God in the person of JESUS CHRIST. So yes! Jesus is GOD

Kobojunkie:
That most churches preach a thing does not mean that idea is of God... it just means that they are all as deceived by the lies as you are.

During the time of Jesus Christ, most of the teachers of the Law also preached the doctrines and traditions of men as well... Jesus Christ didn't take kindly to them all. Neither did God before then - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16

Your leader has come out to admit that the doctrines and traditions he taught you all for decades, this in the name of God, are not of God. See, the thing about Truth - if you have taken logic class , you would know this - is when you add even a pinch of lies, those lies occlude the Truth. Jesus Christ taught us this when He said a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. He taught you doctrines that were not of God, in the name of God, deceiving you all, much like the Pharisees did - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 - and you are here arguing what exactly?