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Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 4:02pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:I think the scriptures quoted is clear enough At my death, I am with the Lord as other saints of God! MaxInDHouse:You mix up Heaven and Paradise. At death, before Resurrection the physically dead righteous ones stay with the Lord At resurrection, there is a new heaven and a new earth. The new earth is the Paradise of God) Revelation 2:7 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. I believe our discussion is not about the Paradise of God (which is after resurrection) but the state of the dead BEFORE the resurrection. This is what Paul refers to as : "Home with the LORD" |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 4:05pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Are you saying that Jude 1:6 is a symbolic expression of what happened to the Angels that left their abode? |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by bobestman(m): 4:07pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Why then do you always come for me in any thread I expose the lies in Religion? You are the one who need the sitting down so you will meditate and find out that you are being led by the Spirit of Religion and JW and not by the Spirit of the Sovereign Father. I had told you and will tell you again, the true and narrow way is not in Religion. Religion is the broad way that leads to destruction. Anyone can teach anything but if you don't know the history, origin and spiritually understand, innerstand and overstand what you teach...you are a False Teacher! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:47pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
TenQ: The dead will remain dead in their graves until they're called: because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord! 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Paul believe that the first to resurrect are those who believe in the teachings of Christ (Christians) so where will they be before they are called? John 5:28-29 |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:56pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
TenQ:Eternal punishment (death without hope of coming back) |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:59pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
bobestman: Whose words is the highlighted if not that of Jesus the founder of Christianity? (a religion) Ògbéni you're a clown but i'll allow you to continue dancing round the circus! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 6:00pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Jude1:6 And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. It seems my understanding of English language has failed me: 1. What does it mean that God reserved these angels for the judgment of the great day? 2. When is the great day of Judgement? I guess the NWT will give a clearer picture! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 6:10pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:You mean that means Christ is in the Grave!? Even though this is speaking about physical resurrection, "the dead who are (present continuous tense) in union (not in memory book) with Christ". Note that the scripture did NOT say..."the dead who WERE (past tense) in Union with Christ..." Resurrection imply the recombination of the physical body with the soul/spirit of man who are in union with Christ! Your comprehension of simple English language is begging for some help sir. But you speek good english, your problem is forcing a verse to say what your doctrine says |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by Kobojunkie: 7:04pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
TenQ:At this point, it is clear that you are arguing with your own self as i have more than sufficiently stated the very same things you are here repeating. The rest is all you and your ideas though. |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by DappaD: 7:18pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
TenQ: Parable? What parable? Did DappaD mention anything about a parable ? TenQ, please stop making illogical statements. Why have you not answered the simple question I asked you ? Since fire and brimstone means torment, then where did the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah go after their death ? Abi they went for round two in another invisible realm lol |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by bobestman(m): 7:19pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Hahaha when I tell you that you are blind spiritually, you go think say I dey insult you Jesus is an impostor the Vatican created and credited the teachings of the true Messiah to when they murdered Him. They changed his image, teachings, times , seasons etc to fulfill Daniel 7:25 He is a Hebrew Man not a Christian. He taught His ppl to Obey His Father's commandment and to return to the Covenant the Father made with them. He didn't abolish any law but came to fulfill them. The Vatican killed Him and the true Hebrews/Jews who believe Him. All your Religions were created from the knowledge of the Hebrew Messiah and His ppl and they did a very bad job. This is why it's only those ppl called Ancient ppl can tell you the meaning and origin of many things you read in your Bible - Isaiah 44:7. It's their book and stories . The Vatican only twisted it and gave to Christian. They told the world that a Hebrew Messiah don't have Hebrew name and choose to call Him a name after their god. This is the age of light. All these lies and many more will be exposed and the true way Re-installed- when the knowledge comes, everyone must seek the place the Father will put His knowledge. They will go there to learn of Him. Read Matthew 24:14, a particular brand of gospel different from what you all teach today shall be preached to all without which the end won't come. Ask yourself why will another message or gospel come at endtime during the time of trouble- (tribulation) when you all preach the message Jesus gave you since he died in your various Religion?None of you know what the gospel entails only the Few who will be taught it secretly. Your arguments make me tell you deep things but you are too proud to understand these things. Pls follow your JW in peace and leave me alone so these truth will not shock you
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Re: Does Hell Exist? by Acehart: 7:41pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: How did you become a Christian? Take us back to the very first encounter, please. |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:08pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
TenQ: How did Christ refer to those who weren't his followers: Jesus said to him: “Keep following me, and let the dead bury their dead.” Matthew 8:22 As for those following Jesus he said: Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” She said to him: “Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.” John 11:23-27 Did Jesus' disciples died? YES all of them but according to Jesus they are not dead because their names is in God's memory but as for those who are not Jesus' followers even though they are walking around they are dead! That's why Jesus said: And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna! Matthew 10:28 The soul in this context doesn't mean everyone but those having faith as their names are written in God's memory but as for those without faith God has forgotten them in their graves at death! Psalms 9:17 So the dead in union with Christ are Jesus' dead followers who will be resurrected not those who are living because Jesus substantiate in his words to Martha that those who are living among his followers will never taste death at all when the trumpet sounds! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:12pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! Who are the believers in your fairy-tale? Don't worry i will leave you in your delusion! bobestman: |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:14pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
Acehart: I'm not here for STORY, what i'm here to tell you is that there is nothing like HellFire the word written there is Gehenna it's a symbol of complete destruction! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by Acehart: 8:18pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Did you read the initial writeup? If you did you would see clearly that at this present time, such a place doesn’t exist. Maybe you ran into this thread to propagate your own agenda |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:30pm On Nov 14, 2021 |
Acehart:Then it means you're responding to the post that's not meant for you! Because i never quoted you since i've noticed the topic but it's like you're not comfortable with the way i'm substantiating what Jesus taught with the scriptures. Why did you quote me in the first place? I think this is between me and TenQ? |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 7:09am On Nov 15, 2021 |
DappaD:It's not surprising that you can't answer a simple question from the bible. Again, I say to understand Jude1:7 you need to understand Jude1:6 1. What does eternal chain mean in Jude6? 2. Are those Angels dead (like Sodom and Gomorrah citizens) ? 3. If they are not dead, where are they? 4. Is Jude 6 just another parable? |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 7:41am On Nov 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Even though you dodged answering questions about tense of simple English language in the last post, you bring another scripture. I will oblige you John 11:23-27 Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” She said to him: “Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.” What does the highlight in red mean? 1. Marther said: I know that Lazarus will rise on the last day 2. I am the Resurrection and Life 3. Anyone who has faith in me and dies will rise again 4. Anyone who is living and has faith in me will never die Was Jesus refering to the day of Resurrection with respect to LIFE? Certainly not, because 1. Marther already concluded that at resurrection Lazarus will rise from the dead 2. Jesus is referring to physical death and spiritual death i. Anyone who has faith in Christ and physically dies will rise again ii. Anyone who has faith in Christ and is still alive will NEVER die What does Jesus mean by "Anyone who has faith in Christ and is still alive will NEVER die"!? |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:44am On Nov 15, 2021 |
TenQ: Answers to your four questions: [1] 2Peter 2:4 the CHAINS in that context means they are restricted from mixing with other loyal angels! [2] They are spirit beings like Satan, when God declared judgment on Adam and Eve, Satan was never told that he will die that day which means Satan's destroyer will come in the future {Genesis 3:15} so they are living beings unlike Adam and Eve who are dead and all their descendants along with them! Genesis 3:19 compare to Romans 5:12 [3]They are here on this planet roving about on the earth, they are the powers behind witchcraft and black magic throughout the world, but they've been barred from mixing with other loyal angels! Deuteronomy 18:10-11 [4]No it's about what really happened but the terms used are symbolic that's why we need to understand otherwise we will misinterpret it and their will be nothing to show for our faith! Daniel 12:10 |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:55am On Nov 15, 2021 |
TenQ: Now i know you're just trying to be heady! I quoted that to help you reason that the dead will continue sleeping in their graves until the time of resurrection, that is what Martha and all those standing there believes! Job 14:13-15 So when Jesus said those who believe in him if they die they will rise (because he will resurrect them) but all those living (as in those having faith that happens to be alive when Jesus come to resurrect the dead) will never taste death at all, rather they will continue to grow young again if they're old! Job 33:25 Just humble yourself and learn there's no need to be heady about this, i was a Muslim and a soldier before i humbly requested for a home Bible study with JWs (free) i never know how to quote the scriptures until they began praying with me, today you'll think the whole Bible is in my head but it's the work of the active force of their God (Holy Spirit) But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you! John 14:26 May you have PEACE! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 8:00am On Nov 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:With due respect Mr Maximus, you are the one who is being heady because the scripture is not about sleeping (death) but of LIVING You need help to reason that the dead will continue That is why Jesus explicitly says that those who believe in Him WILL NEVER DIE |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 8:03am On Nov 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:In other words, Jude 1:6 is SYMBOLIC. If Jude1:6 is Symbolic, why do you treat Jude1:7 as Literal? |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:15am On Nov 15, 2021 |
TenQ: Remember he is at the grave where Lazarus (one who believes in him was buried) then he said: The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. That means believers in Christ will also die but Jesus will resurrect them, but those who are alive when Jesus comes to resurrect the dead will never die at all! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:18am On Nov 15, 2021 |
TenQ: You just want to argue but it's OK you can continue with your beliefs but the truth remains that there is no literal place called HellFire! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 8:30am On Nov 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse:Like a table tennis game, this will continue till eternity. I stand with only Christ through what the scriptures say! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:40am On Nov 15, 2021 |
TenQ: That's exactly what false religionists will say but they will never be able to present their family of faith like Jesus did {Matthew 12:46-50} they will just continue arguing with everybody in the name of Jesus and by the end of the day each one of them is isolated in his line of thought {Luke 11:23} trying to claim he is right while Jesus' real followers are united in the same line of thought! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10 |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by Yippeedaniel(m): 8:51am On Nov 15, 2021 |
No matter what you guys think, read and quote. The merciful God will still punish sinners. 1 Like |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:37am On Nov 15, 2021 |
Yippeedaniel: Naaaaaaaaaaaaa you goofed big time! Merciful God will destroy UNREPENTANT sinners not all sinners because we're all sinners! |
Re: Does Hell Exist? by TenQ: 2:50pm On Nov 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:We'll see with time who is truely of Christ. Shalom |
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