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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by ezechi24(m): 11:22am On Dec 09, 2021
Ovamboland:


Of course APC all the way. So you want a situation where almost all workers in the informal sector continue to earn money tax free and contribute nothing to national development? While they constitute up to 70% if the workforce. The cheating of workers in the formal should end, the cost of running the country should be borne by all Nigerians not some.
Nigeria can't remain a primitive state that PDP left it,such that Nigeria public revenue is the smallest among the first 7 biggest economies in Africa, yet we are the biggest economy.

such nonsense write up.....can you please show me any meaningful impact in the country with the taxes theyve been getting since 1960....i can see that you dont just want to have sense...suffer no dey tire you?

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by CryptoPornster(m): 11:25am On Dec 09, 2021
SarutobiEky:
bros abeg make I slide into your dm make you put me through biko.

put you through on what exactly?
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by FarahAideed: 11:25am On Dec 09, 2021
Ovamboland:


Stop making noise, you are ignorant or reality, i pity those who take their information from your writings here.

There are thousands of accounts with TIN number in operation, has any of them told you they pay tax on transactions different from statutory charges?

Yes when we open corporate accounts we alwsy submit TIN which is okay but trying to force people with personal accounts to to go and collect TIN and submit same to banks is as a proviso for operating a bank account is criminal
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by FarahAideed: 11:27am On Dec 09, 2021
abbeyfel:
Are they not already taxing every transactions?

They are under the guise of stamp duty but what they want to do now is apply full tax ratios based on BOJ on account owners
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by brainycaleb(m): 11:41am On Dec 09, 2021
What of all the value added tax we have been paying indirectly on EVERYTHING?
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by BABANGBALI: 11:42am On Dec 09, 2021
Why are these people making life unnecessarily difficult for Nigerians?

After nairaland moderators, fear this evil government
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by BABANGBALI: 11:44am On Dec 09, 2021
Ovamboland:


Of course APC all the way. So you want a situation where almost all workers in the informal sector continue to earn money tax free and contribute nothing to national development? While they constitute up to 70% if the workforce. The cheating of workers in the formal should end, the cost of running the country should be borne by all Nigerians not some.
Nigeria can't remain a primitive state that PDP left it,such that Nigeria public revenue is the smallest among the first 7 biggest economies in Africa, yet we are the biggest economy.
God did you create this one too in your own image?
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by COMPAQ(m): 11:44am On Dec 09, 2021
FarahAideed:


So you are going to tax any transactions that occurs on a bank account? cheesy... All Buahrist truly have low IQ like the bUhari

That is already being done by way of N50 stamp duty for any credit to account over N10k! You no dey see am for your own account?

Besides, linking TIN to account doesn't mean they will charge tax per transaction. It's just a way to link people cash flows to their tax records. How can N50mln pass through an account yet the person has no tax record with govt because he's an Idumota trader. That has got to stop.

Left to me people with no tax record should not be able to fly out of Nigeria. Tax records should be linked to passport sef. You don't pay tax, but you can afford N750k flight to US!? Or N300k flight to Dubai! How can?

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by FarahAideed: 11:48am On Dec 09, 2021
COMPAQ:


That is already being done by way of N50 stamp duty for any credit to account over N10k! You no dey see am for your own account?

Besides, linking TIN to account doesn't mean they will charge tax per transaction. It's just a say to link people cash flows to their tax records. How can N50mln pass through an account yet the person has no tax record with govt because he's an Idumota trader. That has got to stop.

Left to me people with no tax record should not be able to fly out of Nigeria. Tax records should be linked to passport sef. You don't pay tax, but you can afford N750k flight to US!? Or N300k flight to Dubai! How can?

And you don't know almost 30 percent of the cost of your flight ticket goes to the Nigerian govt ? You should check the breakdown of your international flight fares and see
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by COMPAQ(m): 11:53am On Dec 09, 2021
FarahAideed:


And you don't know almost 30 percent of the cost of your flight ticket goes to the Nigerian govt ? You should check the breakdown of your international flight fares and see

That's transaction tax and one off! What about the remaining tax on that persons annual income?

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by DomoSabs(m): 11:57am On Dec 09, 2021
'Kolo' comes to mind
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by sirp9898(m): 12:03pm On Dec 09, 2021
Y cant we unite and fight for our libration everyone is just complaining and swallowing anything they dish out to us as long as Igbo's is suffering it they are ok.
Nigerians is too weak
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by SarutobiEky(m): 12:03pm On Dec 09, 2021
CryptoPornster:


put you through on what exactly?
crypto and how you plan to duck this new policy our dumb govt has put out.. I'm completely new to crypto..too
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by joey150(m): 12:19pm On Dec 09, 2021
lexy2014:


Everyone in Nigeria pays taxes. So your theory that paying taxes is directly related to political participation and holding govt accountable doesn't have any basis

https://nairametrics.com/2021/10/09/only-41-million-nigerians-pay-tax-firs/

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by dfrost: 12:20pm On Dec 09, 2021
FreeStuffsNG:
Nowhere in the world do people love to pay tax.

It has always been so since the time of Jesus Christ that even Jews went to him to ask if they should pay tax to Caesar even when it was recorded that he himself paid tax. 1.

I feel and understand the angst of people. The brighter side is that when the people are in the tax net and pay or forced to pay, they will hold government more accountable than they currently do. Is it not hypocritical that most of the loudest critics of government, especially on the social media are mostly folks who don't pay tax yet they enjoy petrol subsidy, electricity subsidies and be be lo. If we keep funding subsidies and most of us don't pay tax, then government will only continue to borrow and some corrupt public officials escape our pressure because the money being stolen is not your tax .

I really doubt if governance was as lacklustre in Aba in 1929 as it is now yet it's on record that women of Aba went on rampage to protest against tax hike and I had to memorize the year and the event in Primary School.

So what changed? As more free money was flowing in from oil, government paid less attention to tax, giving more people more disposable income and corrupt officials extra from the stealing from the free oil revenue inflows the opportunity to marry more wives and have more kids, even excess kids, our population ballooned and suddenly all resources became stretched and insufficient and here we are today when vicious competition for scarce resources is at almost every doorstep and almost back to the Hobbesian state..


These economic measures, like SAP, austerity measures of those days, and improved social, political and security architecture will eventually cancel the factors that disturbed the positive equilibrium/stability we had before free oil money started pouring in.
We will be alright las las.

Let's not stop praying and hoping for the best in life and for this great nation.

All the enemies of Nigeria, Nigerians and lovers of Nigeria will lose las las. They always lose. God bless Nigeria forever.
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On 1., I totally agree with you.
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by dfrost: 12:23pm On Dec 09, 2021
COMPAQ:


That is already being done by way of N50 stamp duty for any credit to account over N10k! You no dey see am for your own account?

Besides, linking TIN to account doesn't mean they will charge tax per transaction. It's just a way to link people cash flows to their tax records. How can N50mln pass through an account yet the person has no tax record with govt because he's an Idumota trader. That has got to stop.

Left to me people with no tax record should not be able to fly out of Nigeria. Tax records should be linked to passport sef. You don't pay tax, but you can afford N750k flight to US!? Or N300k flight to Dubai! How can?

Na only that one? You drive a 50mn car, you should pay more tax than the person driving a 500k car. Simple. You earn more, you pay more.

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by Nobody: 12:24pm On Dec 09, 2021
I don’t want my taxes going to any Northern government. When we split up, I will gladly pay tax. I try as much as possible to avoid paying stamp duties, by splitting up my payments, even if it cause me more bank charges. Hopefully we win the VAT case so that my money end up in the state I’m residing in, and not to the Federal Government.
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by joey150(m): 12:24pm On Dec 09, 2021
abbeyfel:
You are still getting it wrong. Paying taxes does not literally mean a better life. What guarantees a good life for the people is good governance! Do we have that in place at the moment? Point is, how is attacking from the bank account angle an even sensible thing to do Is that where their brain lead them. As in go through bank accounts like everyone with bank accounts are taxable. Mumu thing..

Paying taxes does not "automatically" mean a better life...YES.

BUT

Paying taxes forces the government to be more accountable to its population. Because, once a majority of the population pays taxes, they tend to demand better governance.

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by CryptoPornster(m): 12:24pm On Dec 09, 2021
SarutobiEky:
crypto and how you plan to duck this new policy our dumb govt has put out.. I'm completely new to crypto..too

first of all, you need to understand what Blockchain Technology is all about.

after that, read extensively about crypto currency in general.

it's after all these that I can chip in my tips and tricks to you.

you can as well bycott all the reading and deciphering by paying for my time.

all you need to understand so as to be profitable and how to suck any silly law will be properly shown to you.

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by joey150(m): 12:24pm On Dec 09, 2021
lexy2014:


If u aren't going to go into d specifics, how then did u arrive at ur responses? Did u consult d firs and state councils before u arrived at your conclusions about who is paying tax and who isn't?

https://nairametrics.com/2021/10/09/only-41-million-nigerians-pay-tax-firs/

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by joey150(m): 12:31pm On Dec 09, 2021
philip0906:

You're confusing yourself with all the semantics. I live in an almost 3rd world country where I already pay money equivalent to my income to government...Whatever grammar/label economic experts (you included) decide to append to that payment, is their plate of watery beans. This is simply TAX.

Kindly explain how you pay nearly all the money you earn to your government?


I agree. The focus should then be on the government ensuring productivity and industralisation.


You're still confusing yourself. If government decides to appoint NURTW to collect taxes from Nigerians, does it make it any less of taxation? You're stuck in all the semantics. Any monies that individuals pay on their income using whatever principle, is simply TAX. The tricycle rider, pays a fraction of his income to the NURTW daily. The akara seller pays a fraction of her income selling akara to the Local council daily/weekly. Any grammar or way Joey wants to twist this fact, that I'm taxed already, is your business.

I am specifically talking about TAXES here. If you choose to ascribe any money illegally collected from people, both under the direct and indirect supervision of the government, under the guise of pointless fines, levies, or penalty as tax, then that's on you. Taxes are supposed to be set based on various predetermined factors. An akara woman who earns 15k daily and then pays 500 naira as some form of levy, did not pay her income tax

The NURTW, Local Council who collect these levies, are all part of the government.

Then the government is a running an organised crime ring to rob its own people. Call it what it is!



This should be your argument not argue the definition of taxes. Where does the NURTW fee levied on okada riders/tricycle riders go to? Where does the weekly levy paid by the akara seller to the local council go to?

I don't need to be an economics major to know that simple automation/process improvement by the tax bodies on those monies paid by the tricycle rider/akara seller is collected at a central/accountable point. But No, let us leave Mc Oluomo to continue to use okada/marwa riders money to fund the luxurious lifestyle of his concubines and turn around to scream that Nigerians don't pay tax. Nonsense!!

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Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by philip0906(m): 12:48pm On Dec 09, 2021
joey150:


Kindly explain how you pay nearly all the money you earn to your government?
I have zero idea where you saw this. Because this is what I said:
...I live in an almost 3rd world country where I already pay money equivalent to my income to government...

I am specifically talking about TAXES here. If you choose to ascribe any money illegally collected from people, both under the direct and indirect supervision of the government, under the guise of pointless fines, levies, or penalty as tax, then that's on you. Taxes are supposed to be set based on various predetermined factors.
You're indicting the government, simple!!!!! If you claim that representatives of government, collect illegal, pointless etc fees, you're clearly alluding to my point. So you should hold the government accountable and they should be the ones to clean up their mess, not hapless Nigerians.

An akara woman who earns 15k daily and then pays 500 naira as some form of levy, did not pay her income tax
If an akara woman pays 500 naira to an irresponsible government who can't account for that 500 naira, how do you then convince such woman to pay 24% of her earnings, under the useless guise of legal/personal tax to the same irresponsible goverment?

BTW, your example of 500 naira levy on 15k daily, is a crafty one. You're trying to portray the akara woman as not paying the equivalent of her income, when you know this is NOT always true.
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by funshint(m): 12:56pm On Dec 09, 2021
Baawahala:

Bigot
tongue
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by carboblanko(m): 12:57pm On Dec 09, 2021
FreeStuffsNG:
Nowhere in the world do people love to pay tax.

It has always been so since the time of Jesus Christ that even Jews went to him to ask if they should pay tax to Caesar even when it was recorded that he himself paid tax.

I feel and understand the angst of people. The brighter side is that when the people are in the tax net and pay or forced to pay, they will hold government more accountable than they currently do. Is it not hypocritical that most of the loudest critics of government, especially on the social media are mostly folks who don't pay tax yet they enjoy petrol subsidy, electricity subsidies and be be lo. If we keep funding subsidies and most of us don't pay tax, then government will only continue to borrow and some corrupt public officials escape our pressure because the money being stolen is not your tax .

I really doubt if governance was as lacklustre in Aba in 1929 as it is now yet it's on record that women of Aba went on rampage to protest against tax hike and I had to memorize the year and the event in Primary School.

So what changed? As more free money was flowing in from oil, government paid less attention to tax, giving more people more disposable income and corrupt officials extra from the stealing from the free oil revenue inflows the opportunity to marry more wives and have more kids,even excess kids, our population ballooned and suddenly all resources became stretched and insufficient and here we are today when vicious competition for scarce resources is at almost every doorstep and almost back to the Hobbesian state..


These economic measures,like SAP,Austerity measures of those days, and improved social, political and security architecture will eventually cancel the factors that disturbed the positive equilibrium/stability we had before free oil money started pouring in.
We will be alright las las.

Let's not stop praying and hoping for the best in life and for this great nation.

All the enemies of Nigeria,Nigerians and lovers of Nigeria will lose las las. They always lose. God bless Nigeria forever.
Here's free book on business ideas & money sources directory for you,it's 100% free! https://www.nairaland.com/6666800/looking-business-ideas-money-fund. Cheers.
Brilliant submission. Unfortunately many folks will either because of ignorance or mischief will disagree with you.
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by lexy2014: 1:09pm On Dec 09, 2021
joey150:


https://nairametrics.com/2021/10/09/only-41-million-nigerians-pay-tax-firs/

How does your link negate what I said?

Everyone in Nigeria pays taxes. So your theory that paying taxes is directly related to political participation and holding govt accountable doesn't have any basis
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by lexy2014: 1:10pm On Dec 09, 2021
joey150:


https://nairametrics.com/2021/10/09/only-41-million-nigerians-pay-tax-firs/

How does your link answer the following questions:

How much is VAT and how much tax do income earners pay as tax?

Who and who do local govts tax to generate income from local government council tax?
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by nikz(f): 1:56pm On Dec 09, 2021
This is bullying.....
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by Andrea781: 2:20pm On Dec 09, 2021
Ijoba4lyf:
Finance bill makes TIN mandatory for all bank accounts holders



https://punchng.com/finance-bill-makes-tin-mandatory-for-all-bank-accounts-holders/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1638992646
Even Satan is not as wicked as Nigerian leaders
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by JOemmy(m): 2:43pm On Dec 09, 2021
This govt love terrorizing nigerians with their mindless policies and laws
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by orisa37: 3:03pm On Dec 09, 2021
FINANCE BILL VIOLATES CAMA AND COMPANY RIGHTS.
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by orisa37: 3:04pm On Dec 09, 2021
FINANCE BILL VIOLATES CAMA AND COMPANY RIGHTS.

CAMA SHOULD BE REVIEWED INSTEAD.
Re: No Tax Identification Number (TIN), No Bank Account - Finance Bill by Hassanmaye(m): 3:05pm On Dec 09, 2021
PrinceOfLagos:
All of you are mad
Haha

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