Myer:


Interesting post.
But why is your moniker "AntiChristian?"

achorladey:


I can only laugh when you tell me Jesus meant that the OTHER SHEEP are the scattered lost sheep of house of Israel

Does your mind tell you something that had been scattered can equally get lost or become lost?

From the main bible verse you quoted anyone outside the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL was welcomed when they draw near to him(Jesus). Correct?

waldigit:


The same way he was sent by the father, also He sent us to finish the mission. He merely started it. The real mission is to save whosoever is willing to be saved.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Chibuezem:
you think quoting the Bible out of context will convince spirit filled Christians
Muhammed was a pedophile who raped children you my friend are his disciple

NNTR:


1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3But even if our gospel is [in some sense] hidden [behind a veil], it is hidden [only] to those who are perishing;
4among them the god of this world [Satan] has blinded the minds of the unbelieving
to prevent them from seeing the illuminating light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Yes, the holy spirit, in tandem with 1 Corinthians 2:14 & 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 inspired that, you be told, you're foolishly blind

2 Corinthians 3:16
But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

The emphasis on 'only' means 'at most', effectively also means, wait your turn. Have some good manners, dont jump the queue

Life is, turn by turn.
If anyone's a dog, then you must be a mongrel, and worse off

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

AntiChristian:


The options are :

1.that Jesus lied in the verses i brought which makes your Mark verse correct

2.or that his world was the lost sheep of Israel only.

waldigit:

If the one who said I was sent only to a particular people, later commission to those same people to reach out to others, I think intelligent mind can discern a systematic arrangement there. We serve God who omniscience, he has plan and schedule of implementation. He made this known to us before your and mine great grandfathers were born.

AntiChristian:


Put yourself in the woman's situation! You have a big issue and you see Jesus who you think can help you like that woman!

And Jesus kept refusing you till his disciples told him to send you away!

Then later he called you dogs!

Jesus's world = lost sheep of Israel. All others are dogs!

AntiChristian:


Scattered people migrate and inter/intra-marry! How can they be gathered?



Yes, only when they force themselves with strong faith!

Yes, only when they force themselves with strong faith

achorladey:


Don't forget you are the one telling me the OTHER SHEEP Jesus talked about in John 10:16 are the SCATTERED ONES which to you still means LOST. That they marry from other lands didn't REMOVE the point that they ORIGINATE with Israel.

Jesus didn't use LOST SHEEP in that account he used OTHER SHEEP.

Which means ONLY didn't remain ONLY when forced. The lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL didn't remain only when when the GENTILES decide to come in or exercised faith lacking in the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Good.

AntiChristian:


Also you spilling nonsense won't move anyone except holy spirit hatred filled bigots like you! You must be from the yeast!

Chibuezem:
pedophile of nairaland

AntiChristian:


It is LOST sheep!

When Jesus was sending out his disciples: Matthew 10:5-7
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near....

Here Jesus specifically told them to go to the lost sheep of Israel not to the Gentiles nor to the Samaritans! In summary the world of Jesus is Israel!

And a Canaanite woman who of course Jesus wasn't sent to save proves the topic of this discuss as follows:

Matthew 15:21-28
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.




There are usually exemptions to some cases!
The lost sheep of Israel are the Children with the bread!

And the bread must not be tossed to the dogs!

Can you explain this derogatory idiom?

There are usually exemptions to some cases!

The lost sheep of Israel are the Children with the bread!

And the bread must not be tossed to the dogs! From the scriptures He replied, “[b]It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs

Can you explain this derogatory idiom?

achorladey:


Those exemptions make ONLY no longer ONLY in the case of the woman under consideration here.

Good

And exemptions make it right in this case and made ONLY no longer ONLY.

You call it DEROGATORY. It is your qualifier against what Jesus said himself

I have been looking at the account of Mark concerning this same issue under discussion

Jesus left that place and went to the vicinity of Tyre. He entered a house and did not want anyone to know it; yet he could not keep his presence secret. 25 In fact, as soon as she heard about him, a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an impure spirit came and fell at his feet. 26 The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.

27 “First let the children eat all they want,” he told her, “for it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”


28 “Lord,” she replied, “even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.”

29 Then he told her, “For such a reply, you may go; the demon has left your daughter.”

AntiChristian:


Yes, Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel but whoever has faith too can get crumbs too!



We are still saying the same thing! Jesus did miracles freely for Israelites (as Israelites are Children) but others are dogs who need to have exceedingly great faith to be able to get miracle from Jesus.

achorladey:


There is a common denominator between what Jesus did to the children of Israel and the gentiles----------FAITH and some of the gentiles exercised it in ways that Jesus himself was surprised.

Jesus Place of Primary Assignment was to the lost sheep of Israel and he was ready to bring in the OTHER SHEEP. Therefore that place was not the the ONLY WORLD of JESUS CHRIST.


I was looking at Matthew 7: 6
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

What do you think you of those referred to here by JESUS as DOGS? Is it
restricted to the GENTILES?

AntiChristian:


Who among your female folks suffered from Paedophilia?

Chibuezem:
Chibuezem's Mother

AntiChristian:


What happened to my mother? , you know it, please keep quiet

AntiChristian:


The woman won Jesus's argument with her faith! Assuming the woman was not persistent she would have just gone.
Jesus was not sent to the dogs but to the children of Israel!

highest common factor which is FAITH

AntiChristian:


Put yourself in the woman's situation! You have a big issue and you see Jesus who you think can help you like that woman!

And Jesus kept refusing you till his disciples told him to send you away!



Jesus's world = lost sheep of Israel. All others are dogs!

achorladey:


The woman won or lost Jesus with her faith will not remove the lowest common denominator here or the highest common factor which is FAITH

AntiChristian:


The Dogs are the non Israelites Jesus was not sent to!

Na them need faith to get miracle! Even Jesus didn't preach to the woman to accept him as Lord and saviour sef!

achorladey:


No be only the dogs need FAITH.

Common denominator the dogs is part of the world Jesus did things to just like the lost sheep of Israel. Allow Children chop first before you give to the DOGS. The Dogs still dey part of the world of Jesus Christ.

For God so love the WORLD na im Jesus talk not for God so love the lost sheep of the house of Israel only

waldigit:

Then later he called you dogs!
At the end what was the end of story, you didn't complete it.
The woman got what your high handed intelligence can never get. That's the way of the spirit. It's looks foolish the natural man like you, because he thinks he wise whereas he is most miserably foolish. It's the way the devil took that made what he is today. You think Jesus and God are foolish for agreeing to die for a sin he didn't commit? Devil too thought as much but today Jesus has a name that is above other name. Foolishness of God is wiser than wisdom of man. Peace!

AntiChristian:


Maybe Jesus lied then...

achorladey:


It will be your words against his and your world against his world

AntiChristian:


I don't hate him. But he wasn't sent to me nor to us! We are not of Israel!

His world is Israel in your Bible!

We are not of Israel!

But he wasn't sent to me nor to us!

His world is Israel in your Bible!

I don't hate him

achorladey:


You have been going back and forth on the words of Jesus that you started with paapaa.

You and I don't have to be of Israel
Let the children chop first

The same bible says his World goes beyond the land of Israel

You don't have to.

AntiChristian:


Has the Children of Israel finish eating up till now?

AntiChristian:


I don't hate him. But he wasn't sent to me nor to us! We are not of Israel!

His world is Israel in your Bible!

achorladey:


Go therefore and make disciples and bear witness of me to people of all nations.