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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Etyfy: 12:43pm On Sep 15, 2023
tonykel1:
Marriage happens when a dowry is paid and received. Other things are cosmetics

Exactly. Business deal closed. #gbam

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Ofunaofu: 12:44pm On Sep 15, 2023
Iseoluwani:
grin

Actually after the traditional/ engagement, they are married.

church is just a formality

FACT

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by AllBlack: 12:44pm On Sep 15, 2023
Pastors and their overbearing sense of entitlement

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by blakkydikky(m): 12:47pm On Sep 15, 2023
dre11:
The action of the bride’s father raises a fundamental question of when a marriage could be said to have really taken place – is it when a priest makes a declaration or when the parents of the bride and the groom give their consent, during a traditional ceremony?... I don't think no one has the sole right to join the couple's together but their parents and the government.




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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Collysmith: 12:48pm On Sep 15, 2023
Marriage have already joined between both parents
Whatever the pastor is doing is his/ her problem.
You as a pastor who ordained you,religion have kill our culture NONSENSE.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Abifarin16: 12:49pm On Sep 15, 2023
Before the coming of the white Man and Christianity.

How did people get married?

The father of the bride determines when she is married. Isaac, Jacob were declared married bi the father of the bride in the Old Testament, no religious person was said to have declared them husband and wife.

However if we are to go back to before the fall of Adam it is a different thing.
Adam declared himself self married in a manner of speaking when he said 'a Man shall leave his father and more and cleave to his woman.

Pre new Testament marriage in Canaan where Jesus turned 💧 to 🍷, Was He officiating the ceremoni or was he a guest?

We are however practicing what our colonial masters left behind for us, but it shouldn't override our traditions entirely.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Fiscus105(m): 12:51pm On Sep 15, 2023
That father is a foolish plus stark illiterate.

Why taking daughter to church since you don't ready to abide by simple rule of govt, government do Marriage (not even church).

It's govt that can declare two persons married, not even church, and at that particular time church marriage, govt has ceded such power to church.

Even if not, why did he want to ruin the day of his joy because of irrelevant issue.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Ohislee(m): 12:52pm On Sep 15, 2023
Women, they no dey ever gree. The woman Priest should have simply accepted the man's statement as a yes and move on.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Dreambeat: 12:52pm On Sep 15, 2023
Church wedding is the traditional marriage of the white man

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Dancebreaker: 12:54pm On Sep 15, 2023
boborosky:
Africans will do their wedding according to the African tradition and still do it the white man's way - total madness. Even the church certificate is not useful anywhere except it comes from the court, so why all the stress?

If we are wise, we would marry the African way and if need be, we ask a priest or pastor for marital prayer or blessings. Nothing more.

Parental blessings/prayers supersede any other.

This is where our leaders have failed woefully. Ideally, the local Oba/Igwe/Emir/duke's palace recognised by the Local Govt and Chieftaincy Affairs Ministry of bride's paternal homestead/place of marriage should play a big role. A palace official approved by the ministry ought to witness traditional marriages and issue a recognised/valid Customary Marriage Certificate. This can then be forwarded to govt marriage registry.

So that one can decades later obtain a copy from marriage registry, say by the kids or grandkids in the future.

We don't seem to be truly proud of our African heritage or take it to the next level. Eating oha or Ewedu soup, or wearing agbada or Ishiagwu is not how to be African. Anyone can eat any food or wear any clothes but not promote that culture.

But by looking at a core part of our culture and make it modern to endure into the future. Traditional marriage/bride price is part of it.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by ufine200(m): 12:54pm On Sep 15, 2023
Iseoluwani:
grin

Actually after the traditional/ engagement, they are married.

church is just a formality
Church is just for the blessings
Once the parent has agreed and bride price has been paid marriage has taken place
The church is just for the blessings and witness

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Angelfrost(m): 12:56pm On Sep 15, 2023
Biblically, it is the parents of the bride that declare them man and wife when they give their blessings to the couple in the presence of witnesses...!

That's what gives Traditional Weddings actual precedence over the borrowed culture of Church weddings (if we can call blessing of a marriage the same as a wedding).

...And yes, what the church does is bless a Marriage that has already started the moment both families agreed, and Bride Price received.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Tallesty1(m): 12:58pm On Sep 15, 2023
superlanny:
This country and cruise sef, you agreed for your daughter to be wedded in a church and yet claim to be the one to declare them husband and wife.

Why he no carry them go shrine or better still proceed to confirm them in his living room, some people are just mentally unbalanced and that's not a suprise in this country.
Marriages are actually conducted in the living rooms; between the man's people and the woman's people. No pastor has any right to give out another man's daughter in marriage or even confirm them married. A man a woman must be married officially before going to church for blessings

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by PHIPEX(m): 1:00pm On Sep 15, 2023
superlanny:
This country and cruise sef, you agreed for your daughter to be wedded in a church and yet claim to be the one to declare them husband and wife.

Why he no carry them go shrine or better still proceed to confirm them in his living room, some people are just mentally unbalanced and that's not a suprise in this country.
Am sure you didn't think this answer through. If this couple goes to Registry tomorrow, at what point were they really married, was it at traditional or church or Registry?
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Fiscus105(m): 1:01pm On Sep 15, 2023
Dancebreaker:

This is where our leaders have failed woefully. Ideally, the local Oba/Igwe/Emir/duke's palace recognised by the Local Govt and Chieftaincy affairs Ministry of bride's paternal homestead/place of marriage should play a big role. A palace official approved by the ministry ought to witness traditional marriages and issue a recognised/valid Customary Marriage Certificate. This can then be forward to govt marriage registry.

So that one can decades later obtain a copy from marriage registry, say kids or grandkids, in the future.

We don't seem to be truly proud of our African heritage or take it to the next level. Eating oha or Ewedu soup, or wearing agbada or Ishiagwu is not how to be African. Anyone can eat any food or wear any clothes but not promote that culture.

But by looking at a core part of culture and make it modern to endure into the future. Traditional marriage/bride price is part of it.


And who told you that you can do registry wedding in ur daddy compound? So far you have money to do it.

If u give registry people good money they will come and validate ur wedding in ur daddy compound. Again we must learn how to obey simple rule.
Do engagement in daddy compound and proceed to registry/church/mosque for validation not yet reduce us as african
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by jcross19: 1:03pm On Sep 15, 2023
Matrix137:
As a Christian, a bride is officially yours to wife after paying the bride price to the parents and there is an agreement with both of you and the respective families. Wedding or not isn't compulsory (traditional or White). That's the biblical instructions. Thanks

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no! There is a compulsory traditional wedding which is acceptable even in the bible , Christ when to cana for a wedding , church or court has no power to join anybody only , the coupe and the parents of the couple have the fundamental riught to do so not even pope!
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Matrix137(m): 1:06pm On Sep 15, 2023
jcross19:
no! There is a compulsory traditional wedding which is acceptable even in the bible , Christ when to cana for a wedding , church or court has no power to join anybody only , the coupe and the parents of the couple have the fundamental riught to do so not even pope!
Where is it written in the Bible that traditional wedding is compulsory? I just gave you the biblical instructions from God. Whether Jesus attended a wedding or not is irrelevant.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Angelfrost(m): 1:07pm On Sep 15, 2023
superlanny:
This country and cruise sef, you agreed for your daughter to be wedded in a church and yet claim to be the one to declare them husband and wife.

Why he no carry them go shrine or better still proceed to confirm them in his living room, some people are just mentally unbalanced and that's not a suprise in this country.

Please, don't get it twisted... There is no Biblical foundation for what you call Church Wedding.

Honestly, it is largely a Colonial thing. Every nation and every culture should have its own pattern of traditional wedding couples.

The role of the Church is strictly to bless or pray for the Marriage... Haven't you wondered why it is rightly termed, in wedding invitations, Solemnization of Holy Matrimony??!

By the time the couple gets to church, they should already be Husband and Wife either via traditional or court pronouncement.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by IDERAWOLE(m): 1:07pm On Sep 15, 2023
Matrix137:
As a Christian, a bride is officially yours to wife after paying the bride price to the parents and there is an agreement with both of you and the respective families. Wedding or not isn't compulsory (traditional or White). That's the biblical instructions. Thanks


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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by elonize(m): 1:09pm On Sep 15, 2023
From what I've read..y d bride's father dey act stubborn.its just a question, did e fulfill d rites..yes or no.nobi to dey say dey r husband n wife.no 1 asked u dat
U just dey stress my Darling anyhow.
Dis isn't a thread where dey say our African wedding is d real marriage or not.
Kai,Helen n teco Benson movies in those days..kia😭 I miss dem o
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Dancebreaker: 1:10pm On Sep 15, 2023
Fiscus105:



And who told you that you can do registry wedding in ur daddy compound? So far you have money to do it.

If u give registry people good money they will come and validate ur wedding in ur daddy compound. Again we must learn how to obey simple rule.
Do engagement in daddy compound and proceed to registry/church/mosque for validation not yet reduce us as african
Nope. This is the problem, Always talk of money. I mean our traditional palaces as custodians of our culture (marriage/bride price are part of it)
Should be enough to witness it. So long they have synchronised with modern realities of govt. Simple.
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by linearity: 1:11pm On Sep 15, 2023
superlanny:
This country and cruise sef, you agreed for your daughter to be wedded in a church and yet claim to be the one to declare them husband and wife.

Why he no carry them go shrine or better still proceed to confirm them in his living room, some people are just mentally unbalanced and that's not a suprise in this country.

Church ‘wedding’ is purely ceremonial. Even the Bible did not have a single record of a church wedding.

If it is vital and biblical principles for couples to be ‘joined together in the name of the Father, Son & the Holy Ghost’, I am confident that Jesus would have at least mention it once the Bible writers would never had missed noting down such a critical Christian requirement in their manuscripts that became the Bible.
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by FashionCookie(f): 1:11pm On Sep 15, 2023
Well, to each his own...bcus I'm yet to understand why people are bent on Church weddings. Pastors go continue to show una shege. undecided
You don do your normal traditional marriage and probably registry...u no go rest?
You still have to borrow from the whites undecided

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Angelfrost(m): 1:11pm On Sep 15, 2023
Iseoluwani:
grin

Actually after the traditional/ engagement, they are married.

church is just a formality

Normally, to save cost, the Church leaders should even join them at the bride's father's house, and do their prayers after the traditional process...!

Coming to church thereafter should be for Thanksgiving, that's if the couple is interested.

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Sageez(m): 1:12pm On Sep 15, 2023
Fiscus105:
That father is a foolish plus stark illiterate.

Why taking daughter to church since you don't ready to abide by simple rule of govt (not even church).

It's govt that can declare two persons married, not even church, and at that particular time, govt has ceded such power to church.

Even if not, why did he want to ruin the day of his joy because of irrelevant issue.

I am sorry I disagree with you. The man is not a fool, infact, he is right. I am a Christian. The church doesn't have the right to pronounce them man and wife, what they do is marriage blessing.

The person who has the right to do so is the bride's father. He is the one to hand over his daughter to the man and pronounce them man and wife I.e after he must have completed the traditional rights. Please be careful how you use the word 'fool'

Thanks

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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Matrix137(m): 1:13pm On Sep 15, 2023
IDERAWOLE:


From the comments you made here about what constitute a marriage, you're more than qualified to be a content producer on the social media, that can earn you good amount of money regularly. Rather than be begging for food money, go learn how to monetize this knowledge that you have.

No excuse of not knowing where to learn that. That phone in your hands and internet connection, there are so many sites that can teach you how to start a business with little or no money at all.

Check out an app called Shopify and learn how to make money with it.

All the best.
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Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by FxMasterz: 1:14pm On Sep 15, 2023
IgiveFreebies:
The father, even in the bible it's the father that gives out his daughter not the Priest. You as a cleric can declare and the father comes in and say no marriage

The issue of marriage is not a matter of who gives out, but a matter of who joins.
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by Bfly: 1:18pm On Sep 15, 2023
Both of them are formalities. They can keep dragging it.

Marriage happens once the two agreed to marry. No one is joining anyone to anybody. Man leaves is papa house goes to take a woman as wife and he becomes his husband. It is God's will for man.

Even bride price is a Tradition to ascertain the man's ability to provide.
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by linearity: 1:18pm On Sep 15, 2023
jcross19:
no! There is a compulsory traditional wedding which is acceptable even in the bible , Christ when to cana for a wedding , church or court has no power to join anybody only , the coupe and the parents of the couple have the fundamental riught to do so not even pope!

The wedding in Cana was a family invitation, his mother was there, He has not started his ministry, he was not there in any capacity.

If Christ attendance makes such ceremonies compulsory, I guess it must be compulsory for Christians to go into the mount every time for 40 days and 40 nights, praying and fasting…have you done your compulsory 40 days/nights mountain fasting this year?
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by NoToPile: 1:19pm On Sep 15, 2023
Nawa.

Marriage is when you have fulfilled what is required according to however it is done where you are from whether you are a jew, Indian, Yoruba, igbo, whatever. So the Indians that might not go to church but do their traditional stuff are not married in the eyes of God abi?

God honors it and in the eyes of God you are already married here in Naija we will say it's when bride price has been paid.

Even the churches know you are married when the requirements have been fulfilled that's why they will say if your bride price has been paid you can't marry another person.

Some people just like controversy, the father is right the lady is already married simple.
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by jcross19: 1:22pm On Sep 15, 2023
linearity:


The wedding in Cana was a family invitation, his mother was there, He has not started his ministry, he was not there in any capacity.

If Christ attendance makes such ceremonies compulsory, I guess it must be compulsory for Christians to go into the mount every time for 40 days and 40 nights, praying and fasting…have you done your compulsory 40 days/nights mountain fasting this year?
lol! See before Christ was born , there was traditional wedding in Israel even after his death the custom continues, so every race or tribe has their way of doing their own traditional wedding or paying the bride price but church or court wedding is invalid!
Re: Cleric, Bride’s Father Disagree On Who Should Declare Marriage Has Taken Place by kazyhm(m): 1:24pm On Sep 15, 2023
The question should be what is the pastor's contribution to the wedding and what will the church contribute to the marriage ?

If you ask me, the question from the pastor is insulting.......and is making fool of the parents....


Let assume the father's answer is NO, what would have been the next step for the pastor ?

And if the both parents of the groom and the bride were dressed in their choice attire, smiling from chin to chin with each other in the venue of the event, what then is the necessity of the question?

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